Two years after their partnership came to and end, Urijah Faber and Duane Ludwig still can't seem to find a middle ground.
After Ludwig blasted Team Alpha Male -- sans T.J. Dillashaw -- for not having the desire and drive to be champions, the camp took to Twitter to respond to their former striking coach. Still, Faber -- for the most part -- didn't indulge in back-and-forth verbal warfare with "Bang."
During a recent guest spot on "The MMA Hour," "The California Kid" opened up in detail as to what kind of issues were going on between he and Ludwig. And though he initially wanted to take the high road, Faber decided enough was enough and offered up countless tales that didn't exactly paint Ludwig in a good light.
In fact, the allegations downright made "Bang" look like a racist feminist who likes to bully people to get what he wants ... especially money. Dive in below for a few excerpts from his lengthy interview courtesy of MMA Fighting:
Financial and contractual issues:
"You want to talk specifics? I've been trying to take the higher road with this guy who's been trying to break the team down, but I can talk about specifics. Dysfunction follows the guy, and the guy is a bully. And it's unfortunate, man. I really tried to help this guy out. ... But just the blatant, crazy ex-girlfriend mentality of trying to break the team down is just bizarre to me. I don't get it. So right off the bat (after initially looking to hire Duane), I go to a GLORY fight in Las Vegas, and one of the guys who trains out with Duane in Colorado is like, ‘hey man, I just want to warn you, Duane is gangster about money.' And I was like, what do you mean? He said, ‘I'm just telling you, he'll fight people over money. He gets really weird about money.' And I'm thinking, I've had never an issue with anybody about money anyways, so not a big deal, whatever. Oh my gosh, is that foreshadowing. Unbelievable. So [Ludwig] comes out and does two days with us. We start talking on the phone. I said, ‘look, this is what we can offer.' This is the year where I fought once in 13 months, and I was the top breadwinner for this team at that point. I fought one time in 13 months, and as far as money raised from contributions to the team, it was far below what we were going to offer him as a coach. I said, ‘you know, we had a bad year this last year, Joseph (Benavidez) sat out and had that one fight, Chad (Mendes) had the one title fight, I had my title fight and I only got to fight once. Judging on that, this is what we'll be able to afford paying you,' which was a good salary, especially for a guy who had no money coming in and was in a hard spot. I said, ‘we could do something where it's this salary or five-percent of purses, whichever is larger.' I talked to all the guys and no one was willing to give up their discretionary bonuses, except for me, which turned out to be a huge problem because discretionary bonuses, no one knows you get them. They come discretionary, right? So then I said, ‘you know Duane, because I funded this team anyways and I always contribute more, because it's my team, I will contribute my discretionary bonuses, because sometimes they're large, to make sure that we meet that salary so we get to that point where we have enough, and also when the five-percent gets bigger, then you can have that.' He's like, 'okay, okay.' I put all of this in writing. Salaries and everything else. Seriously, like two days later, Duane calls me and wants more money. We were at a point were I said, ‘dude, this is what we can afford. If you can't do it, you can't do it.' He's like, okay, that's fine. So he comes, and I told him, ‘look dude, listen, this is what I plan on doing. I'm going to blow your name up. I'm going to make a huge deal about this thing, we're going to reach all the media, I'm going to do a press release, we're going to build you as this hero, get you on interviews.' I said, ‘when that starts happening, you're going to get opportunities and you can get your own sponsors, you can do seminars. I think really building your brand, this'll be good for it. You said you have your affiliate program, you'll blow that up.' He's getting all excited about it. So the guy comes out and starts teaching classes, and he's doing a great job. He's getting his salary, then he starts charging everybody for privates. And there's a point where T.J. (Dillashaw) is like, ‘man, I don't know what to do. Duane is bleeding me. I'm doing his videos for him after class, I'm doing this, and he's still charging me for privates. I need to have a talk with him.' T.J. has a talk with him. He's charging everyone, and I feel bad for [Ludwig]. He's selling peanut butter at the front desk, he's doing all these things to make extra cash, he's leaving every single weekend to go do a seminar, even if it's for a couple hundred bucks. I'm like dude, I appreciate the hustle, but let's just settle down. Let's let the apple grow into a ripe, red apple before you start trying to pull it off the tree when it's green and sour. Give it some time."
Regarding Ludwig's refusal to train females and making inappropriate racial remarks.
"I had a girl from Alaska who said that Duane keeps on saying these comments. And first off, Duane refused to work with any females. He said, ‘I just want to tell you, I'm not supportive of women's MMA. I won't be working with anybody, I won't be working with Paige (VanZant), I'm not going to be working with Nicky, I'm not going to work with Veronica. I don't believe in it.' Okay. That was an issue. The second thing was, he was saying racial things. And that's what I'm saying when I say, things aren't jokes just because you laughed at them, especially if they're hurtful. So I had two of the African-American guys on our team who approached me and said, ‘this is getting real uncomfortable. It's funny one time, I guess, when he says stuff like, all the black guys at the end of the line. But he's saying it every single day.' Then one guy says, ‘every single time I'm in the gym and I'm talking to a girl, Duane yells across the gym, hey, so-and-so, all black guys 25 feet away from the females.' He says, ‘I get it, he thinks it's funny, whatever. But he keeps doing it and it's really getting on my nerves.' So I had to talk Duane about that. I had to talk to him about the girls. I had to talk to him about not breaking people down. One girl from Alaska said that Duane keeps saying, ‘you're pretty terrible and you should just quit.' She goes, ‘he starts laughing like he's joking but I know he's serious.' She wasn't the best girl on the team, and it was mean is what it was. So I had to talk to him about that."
On bullying and intimidating people:
"So the last one, was a UFC executive. So this guy was an instrumental guy in my career, someone who really helped me out. He's been a big part of the UFC and is just a good guy all-around. And Duane wanted some tickets from the guy. So he asked if he could hook him up with some tickets because he had two friends coming into town. And we later find out that the guy actually went through and tried to do it, but it didn't go through. You know, they get yay'ed or nay'ed for tickets. Duane sees him in the hallway. The guy is with his wife, and [Duane] gets close to him and starts saying stuff about the tickets. Then he puts his hands on the guy. And the guy trains MMA, he's not a scared guy, and he basically sticks up for himself. He's in front of his wife, etc. Then he calls me distraught, saying, ‘I'm just going to let you know, if I report this, Duane will not be allowed to coach anymore. There's a real strict rule about people touching executives, and he got in my face and was trying to punk me because of some tickets, and I don't even know why. I did try to get him his tickets. I didn't even know they didn't go through. So I had to take Duane aside and I had to say, ‘Duane, you're on the verge of being kicked out as a coach. You can't be bullying people because you want things. If you want something and someone can't do it, it's not your opportunity to go and intimidate them. This [UFC executive], I actually talked him out of turning Duane in, and talked to Duane, and Duane went and apologized to the guy. But that kind of thing right there, Duane again says he was joking. It's not a joke if you're intimidating people and making people feel uncomfortable and saying racial things, etc."
Believe it or not, that's just the beginning.
To see the rest of the allegations, including intimidating managers, sponsors and Ludwig's emotional outbursts toward Faber claiming he was lying to him about bonuses he received from UFC, click here.
So much for "squashing the bullshit."