Referees and judges are hurting the sport of MMA and driving Dana White crazy (Video)

Jon wasn’t even given a warning and then when hamill couldn’t continue the ref changed it to a dq, cost me a lot of money.

I mean there could still be judgement calls kind f like how face masks are called, there are 5 yd calls and 15 yard calls. Grabbing the fence kills me, I think if you are just grabbing it and it doesn’t thwart a take down you get 1 warning. If you hold on to it to stop a take down then automatic point deduction. Accidental groin shot, 1 warning, after that point taken. Have some concrete things. I like the idea OJR, I also like the idea of fighters judging fights BUT there is that overall worry about being biased in a fight if you have some kind of association with a fighter. It would only take 1 big fight with some kind of blow call in the favor of a fighter that has some ties to the ref to start a HUGE shit storm.

I hate it when ref stands up or separates fighters in the clinch just because the crowd boos. The Pierce/Koscheck fight is a good example, whenever Kos pushed him up against the cage the crowd started booing and Herb immediately separted them.

If the referee hadn’t made the save, Bones wouldn’t be able to ever throw another elbow again.

but think about category #5, or combining 2 of those (hint, hint) as having an even number of categories leads to too many draws.

Not all MMA techniques are clearly delineated by being striking or wrestling or a submission.

The Thai plum – two guys grapple for position each throwing knees – Which judge scores it?

Ground and pound into submission attempts – where do you draw the line? You wrestle for position, throw strikes to do damage or advance position and throw a submission technique.

I think judges need access to real time stats like Fight Metric delivers (with a universally agreed upon metric) on a per round basis to temper decisions they make and notes about what in a round prompted them to score one way or the other.

The judges decisions per round should be public so fighters know where they stand each round which eliminates the element of surprise decisions and perhaps encourage finishes.

@OP – Perhaps instead of 5 points per category fighters are given points based on effective techniques. Here is a random scoring metric that comes to mind..

Wrestling Example:
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Offense – takedown = .5pt, land takedown = .5pt advance position (ground to side control) = .25pt per, stall (no advancement of position for set time) = -.5pt

Defense – stuff takedown = .25pt. reverse takedown = .25pt, reverse position (guard to mount) = .5pt, recover guard = .25pt, stand up = .25pt

Fighter ‘A’ attempts takedown and is stuffed by ‘B’. ‘A’ has .5pts minus .25pts for .25pts awarded as the aggressor.

Fighter ‘A’ lands takedown into guard, advances to side control, advances to mount. Fighter ‘B’ defends by putting ‘A’ back into guard. Fighter ‘A’ scores 1.5pts minus .25pts for a 1.25pt total.

Striking Example:
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Strike zones – legs = .25pts, body = .25pts, head = .5pts, power add .25pts (in all zones), knockdown = 1pt, sweep knockdown = .5pt

Strikes need to land cleanly. Blocked strikes don’t score.

Submissions Example:
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Offense – submission attempt = .5pt, land submission technique = .5pt

Defense – submission defend = .25pt, submission escape = .25pt

/End Examples

In all examples offense scores more. Defense won’t win a fight. Effective defense means a decision won’t be a complete blowout attesting to a fighters quality.

Octagon control gets factored into offensive scoring. Simply walking forward alone doesn’t score. Landing techniques does meaning counter strikers are on a level playing field.

Who knows maybe this is in place now but Cecil Peoples can’t do math worth a damn. Either way perhaps with clear metrics and judges vetting said metrics before turning in scores we’d see less completely out to lunch fight decisions since folks will know what scores and what doesn’t.

Okay back to work now.

welcome aboard guy ! its about time

Ref has to decide if the reason he won was because of a shot to the back of the head, if so he can give the guy a DQ, if not then the fight is over and there’s not much you can do at that point if you’re not gonna hand him a DQ.

The back of the head shots in Vitor’s fights have been after the fact. Fight was over, back of the head or no back of the head.

And the judging criteria is already loosely based off them…

Like, let’s say fighter A is aggressively engaging fighter B, and throws something like a high kick, gets taken down but pops up immediately (see Anderson vs Vitor)…how can we really award fighter B a point and nothing for fighter A?

I unno, just my opinion