Nick Diaz : Unbreakable
Yes, yet another Nick Diaz thread. But, I wanted to say my piece. Let's start about talking about Nick Diaz first, by bringing up Carlos Condit.
Carlos Condit has 5 losses. 3 were by submission. He got submitted prior to 2007 and prior to his championship run in WEC. This happens quite often to even the best BJJ players as it is a lengthy process to fully understand all of the ins and outs of the sport. You generally can't knock a man who has been submitted early in his career, who comes back to never seem to be in submission trouble , and submits people left and right. Carlos BJJ game is solid now for sure.
Carlos has never been finished Via Strikes. The guy might not be able to be knocked out. Jake Ellenberger hit him with a shot that would knock out a donkey. Carlos somehow managed to not only survive but to come back from the brink of defeat, and actually earn of split decision win over the Juggernaut.
Carlos came back to beat the prodigy Rory MacDonald in a display of toughness and heart. He has 28 wins, 13 have come by way of stoppage from strikes, 13 from submission.
This is not your average MMA fighter. Carlos is definitely in a select class of fighters with an elite level of heart and toughness. He is a finishing animal. Carlos is trying to kill you in the ring, and your only hope of surviving a finish is that the ref is aware enough to pull him off of you. The man is no joke.
That being said, Carlos wanted nothing to do with a war with Nick Diaz.
Now considering Carlos accolades, the way he's carried himself, and heck, his nickname, it takes a lot of stones for him to evaluate himself, and realize, he is just not as tough as Nick. This is not an easy thing to do by any means for any fighter, let alone one known for toughness, resiliency , and heart.
Nick Diaz is one bad motherfucker. Only the criminally insane dare to go toe to toe , all out war with this guy nowadays. Paul Daley, perhaps the most dangerous man in the whole division to brawl with, got outbrawled by Nick. Nick beat the beast at his own game.
This seems to be lost on a large enough portion of you that I have to bring this up. It is truly a head scratcher that people try to evaluate Daley by his wins and losses or that he's not in the UFC or SF anymore.
Daley has 20 knockout wins in his 29 win career. He is named Semtex for a reason. He has the most devastating left hook in the entire sport of MMA, and he is a brutal finisher. Daley has never been finished by strikes in his entire career until he ran into Nick Diaz.
Daley is absolutely UFC level, he is an athletic specimen, who is generally going to roll through everyone who can't take him down. Not some average MMA fighter can just take Daley down, you need to be a very solid wrestler to get the job done. If you stand with Daley you get destroyed. Whether he is in Bamma, whether in the UFC, or SF, Paul Daley, is easily one of the most dangerous men in all of MMA.
And Nick Diaz beat him at his own game.
Instead of people crying about Nick being a cry baby and all of that, or Carlos being a running bitch, why can't we appreciate what was shown?
Carlos is one of the toughest bastards in the whole sport, yet he knew it was foolish to tangle with the monster than is Nick Diaz.
I personally feel that Nick should have been awarded that fight I gave him Rounds 1,2,5 and I also thought Round 3 was close. I felt the constant hunting down of his opponent had to be a big factor, and if the striking was close, I would give the round to Nick.
To be a counter puncher, or counter fighter in general, you pay a price in my book, and unless you can clearly dominate the aggressor, I'm just not going to give you the round. In Round 4, Carlos showed a clear domination over Nick that if it went that way for the whole fight, I would definitely think Carlos won even with his running away style.
I think that's a fair way to judge, but to each his own. Carlos was using an effective gameplan, and he did enough for him to warrant the win. In fights this close, it could go either way, and I'm not complaining. I personally saw it differently, but this is how judging works at times.
At the end of the story, Nick Diaz is one crazy tough bastard for Carlos to not want to brawl with him, and Carlos had enough intelligence to realize not to get into that game, even though he's played it his entire career.
The Natural Born Killer will be back, and he has shown that he will not lose just to be tough, which is huge in today's world.
Both men proved a great deal on Saturday, and I look forward to both their next match ups.
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Great job man!
I agree with all this. I was thinking that too. You can take a lot away from both fighters. I just hate nicks drama. Don’t say your retiring, we know your not. But that’s what comes with nick Diaz. He is a hell of a fighter an I actually scored the fight the same as you 1 2 and 5 for nick with three being close. It boggles my mind all judges gave condit the first but whatever it doesn’t Matter in the grand scheme. I dont think that fight changes much for either fighter honestly. I think Dana is gunna make a rematch and if nick doesn’t check leg kicks it may be the same result
But ellenberger would beat both Diaz and condit IMO ( I think he won the first fight against condit and I think he’s that much better he would actually win this time)
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Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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i didn't vote
as I watched it live, I thought Diaz had one Rnds 1, 2, 5 with 3 going either way. Last night I rewatched the fight, and came to the conclusion that while Condit’s leg kicks didn’t seem to be damaging, they were certainly effective, similar to a jab he was able to keep Nick at distance, keep him frustrated, and implement his game plan. Condit’s footwork, and Diaz’s refusal to adjust his game plan until the second half of the 5th round, coupled with the poor advice he received from his corner-man were the real reasons he lost, not the judges.
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After watching it Saturday night, I swore up and down Nick Diaz won,,,
after giving it a second look…
Condit won. But it was close.
At first look, it seemed to me that Diaz won the first round because he just walked Condit down the entire round…it “looked” like Diaz won, but when I watched it again, I gave the round to Condit.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
i also rewatched it
And the first was close so I’ll give it to nick he controlled the fight…hell just say condit won since it was close. ..2nd nick all day..3rd was close but nick pulled away with the harder combos to the body and head ..4th condit all day . ..5th was close as well but the way nick finished that round definetly shouldve got him that rd……IT WAS A EASY UD FOR NICK
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nick got outstruck in the first round. He pushed forward, but Condit landed more shots. Condits round.
And Condit won the 3rd & 4th as well.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
I gave the first round to Diaz because the striking was close. Fightmetric says strikes landed that round was 30-28 with Condit having more landed.
However, Diaz was the aggressor the entire round and Condit had yet to find his rhythm and at times actually did turn and run.
"Effective aggression" is the criteria
Moving forward and getting outstruck isn’t effective aggression.
by Patrick L. Stumberg on Feb 8, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Diaz won rounds 1, 2, 5 for sure. Condit won 4. R 3 was a toss-up.
If you think about it, Condit and Diaz fought identical fights. At range, they both utilized leg kicks and head kicks. At close range, they each landed their share of combos. I thought Diaz landed the harder shots while Condit was afraid to commit too much power, however Condit landed some good shots too.
The deciding factor? Diaz had octagon control and applied pressure for every. single. round. And he had a near submission in round 5, and back control. Not to mention Diaz slapped Condit in round 2.
Okay, so Diaz didn’t get to maul his opponent this time like he normally does, but What Did Condit Do to Win This Fight? Condit was on defense and backpeddled the entire fight, even outright running in 2 cases. You can’t win a fight by running and landing inconsequential leg taps that did zero damage and did not even slow Diaz or prevent him from moving forward.
"At range, they both utilized leg kicks and head kicks."
Except Condit literally threw five times as many.
Blindly lumbering forward isn’t Octagon control. Fighting at your range and keeping your opponent at bay is octagon control. Condit won that aspect.
by Patrick L. Stumberg on Feb 8, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Instead of people crying about Nick being a cry baby and all of that, or Carlos being a running bitch, why can’t we appreciate what was shown?
because what was shown, was condit running waaaay to much, making it a lame ass point fight.. it’s all greg jacksons fault.. he turned a natural born killer into a ginger bread champ.

and diaz does bitch too much over a loss.. retiring from mma over a loss? get the fuck over it.. thats almost as bad as condit runnning away after every exchange, maybe even worse..
diaz does need to stop crying and condit needs to not run like a bitch…. i want a fucking rematch!~ the fight we were supposed to watch.
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"Unbreakable?"
I have footage of him getting so thoroughly outclassed by Noons that he literally butt-scooted after him like Aoki.
by Patrick L. Stumberg on Feb 8, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions
That makes sense. It’s pretty smart to run away when your getting the shit kicked out of you. It just doesn’t make sense to run when you aren’t getting the shit kicked out of you.
by p123 on Feb 8, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Daley dropped him twice so I wouldnt say he outbrawled him
Daley went balls to the wall trying to finish him and gassed himself out and then Diaz got the finish
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 8, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps they should all be judges
so all the whining can finally stop
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by hairybumcrack on Feb 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

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