Nick Diaz’ Camp is Failing Him
Reblogged from JustBlogGuy
In the main event of UFC 143, Nick Diaz spent 25 minutes walking down Carlos Condit, who spent the majority of those minutes circling off the cage, then landing more strikes than Diaz when the action was in the center of the cage. While just looking at stats alone does not tell the story of a fight, one look at the FightMetric numbers shows that Condit landed more strikes than Diaz in four of five rounds in a fight which only saw ground fighting in the final minute. Naturally when the decision came down in Diaz’s favor, fans were treated to the most predictable of outcomes. Diaz was irate at the decision, and used his mic time to point out Carlos didn’t fight and the sport of MMA is a joke, before letting it be known he was taking his ball and going home forever.
The reaction from Diaz at the end of the fight was as sure as a sunrise, and unfortunately so too was the interview Cesar Gracie gave to Ariel Helwani in which he steadfastly asserted that Diaz won and everyone knows it but the corrupt judges.
[All the judges] had him losing the first round, and two of the judges had him losing the second round. At that point there’s nothing we can do. If Nick would have had the same fight — if he’d fought like the first round the whole way through he still would have lost. If you think about that, that’s amazing.
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I think they think he is disrespectful and they are going to find a way to judge against him. I don’t think Nick can get a fair fight in Las Vegas. I think that, in my opinion, the judges there don’t like Nick. He talks in the ring. At one point Carlos was running and he slapped in the face and said "quit running."
That is a problem. A few weeks ago I discussed Anthony Johnson and how he refuses to learn from his mistakes when it comes to making weight, both by repeatedly making the error then continuing to blow off the mistakes like they are no big deal. In the case of the Diaz brothers it’s the same story, just with a slightly different title. Time and time again Nate and Nick run through opponents who play into their "we come to fight" game, and time and time again the first time somebody doesn’t oblige by standing in the pocket and letting the damage absorbed slowly pile up it’s because they’re a coward who came to play points, not fight like men, and the game is a bunch of horse shit. And you know what, that’s a perfectly acceptable attitude for a fighter to have, just as long as he’s content never being a champion. But the Diaz brothers want to be the best, and aren’t shy of letting it out they think that they are, and if either ever wants to truly be able to make that claim it’s become clear at this point somebody from without the duo needs to drive home that just coming to fight won’t always be enough. MMA isn’t a barfight, it’s a sport, and every sport has rules. The rules of MMA say that if your opponent can put you on your back and punch you from on top, or can stay outside your range, hammer your legs, and throw more strikes while landing with a higher accuracy than you, you are not going to win that round. Lose more rounds than you win and you lost the fight. Sorry, but "look at his face," isn’t a recognized scoring method. Gracie could not conceive of a way the judges had scored the first round for Condit beyond fraud, despite the fact many, many, many, many, many MMA experts saw the round the exact same way the judges did.
The next night, the New York Giants got more yards of offense than the New England Patriots. Had they not scored their winning points in the final seconds, would they still have been declared Super Bowl champions? After all, the point of every play is to move the ball as far down field as possible and they did that better. Of course not. In the sport they were playing, there were clearly delineated rules for how to win the game, and by those rules the game was close, but the Giants came out on top only when they got the last few points, yardage be damned. By the rules of MMA, Carlos Condit scored more points than Nick Diaz in three, in some opinions four, of five rounds. If nobody finishes, that’s how you win an MMA fight. Nothing in the rules say that the Cesar Gracie camp has to like those rules, but if you want to play the game, either accept them or accept that you’re going to keep losing fights that you think you won on pride.
Nick was there for a dogfight. That was what Carlos promised for the fans, that they were going to go at it, and that was not a dogfight.
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If Nick had been knocked out by Carlos, I would feel better right now than what I do. I don’t like that camp (Jackson’s MMA) and I’m not going to take that back. I like the fighters there, but when you have coachs that tell people to fight like that, I don’t like it. I am proud to not corner my guys like that and I never will, we have a code and I’m proud of the way we fight.
These are the most telling quotes from Gracie’s interview, as Gracie acts like it is some great affront to integrity that a fighter didn’t tell the truth about his gameplan before a fight. In what world would we expect an athlete to come out and say nothing but 100-percent truths about his plans, ensuring that his opposition knows exactly what to expect. If Diaz’ camp truly did prepare only for the in-close dogfight that Condit "promised" to bring, that is an embarrassingly unprofessional mistake to make. Gracie is never afraid to point out his distaste for Jackson MMA fighters’ "safe" gameplans, so Diaz coming in with his same style and showing no apparent ability to adjust and react to a counter-strategy that was beating him is a bad sign for him and his team.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to pin down exactly whether or not Diaz could have adjusted to Condit’s unexpected approach or if Diaz simply only is willing to fight with the same style of fighting he showed because his corner kept telling him he was winning.
I would have switched it up if I had thought Nick was losing the fight, but I was so confident that I felt I didn’t need to.
I agree with you, I thought he won the first, the second and the fifth. The third was kind of a toss up, but when it’s that close I always give it to the other fighter. At the end of the fourth I went up there to the cage, and Nick turned around and said "What do you think." In my mind it probably was 3-1, but I said, "it’s 2-2, let’s go out there and win this fifth round."
BE reader KGNLuc was kind enough to offer a full transcription of the Diaz corner for the fight, which is similarly enlightening. As you can see, Gracie only felt the need to go up and stress urgency to Nick before the fifth round, a point at which he had already lost the decision, barring a stoppage or a 10-8 to earn a draw, as he trailed 3-1 on two of the scorecards. What’s more, Gracie was promptly overruled by Nate anyhow.
Somebody says: What do you think. Maybe Nick
Nate: No. No, no, no, no, fuck that, you got every round.
Somebody, maybe Nick (Although it doesn’t sound like him) says: "Don’t lie to me"
Nate: He might have got that last round but that’s it. You got the rest. You’re up three to one, okay? Rinse it out, take a drink. Let’s get a couple of ten second intervals in this one, ok? Whenever you want, whenever you’re ready.
Diaz is assured that maybe he lost round four, a round he clearly lost, but definitely won the other three (he didn’t sweep any round.) Ultimately I don’t even think the problem is one you see commonly, where a cornerman decides it is better for his fighter to stay confident and knows he is lying saying his fighter won the round. Nate was sure Nick was winning, because he was coming forward and taunting, while Condit was just running and throwing spinning shit.
The conversation in the corner during rounds and on the stool between them is similar in tone, with the Gracie team dismissive of anything Condit is doing while positive Diaz is cruising to an instant victory. Shortly before the decision is read, Nate pulls Nick aside to tell him to remember Condit just did what he had to to survive. No doubt it was to remind Nick to be gracious in his victory speech, since a win was surely forthcoming. Instead, it served to have Nick’s last input before the read being that his opponent was lucky to walk out of the cage intact, setting the stage for the post-fight anger and retirement talk.
Both the transcript and the interview are worth checking out, and further drive home concerns about the ability of Diaz and his team to learn from this fight and use it to fix the holes Condit exposed. There’s the ludicrously silly complaints about Condit greasing with water; more talk about Nick’s boxing career, which he can’t have while under contract with the UFC, retirement or not; and claims every fighter Gracie talked to scoring it for Diaz which may have been true, though when a source fighters wouldn’t feel pressured to give a biased answer to were asked MMAJunkie apparently found a majority of fighters they got reached felt Condit won.
Nick Diaz is a great fighter, and Cesar Gracie is a great trainer who runs one of the best camps in the world. The unfortunate truth of any sport is that every participant is going to have holes in their game. In an ideal situation, the holes of one member of a team align with the strength of another. In this case, it seems that Diaz’ "real fight" blind spot to the realities of the sport is one that is shared by those he trusts most, and for a fighter at the top of the division, that little bit can be the difference between great and greatest.
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i'm a diazes hater, ask anyone
but nick didn’t lose that fight and carlos didn’t really win it. Fucking judges pull this shit over and over and no one wants to stop it. I don’t know whom’s interests are vested-in but that was a fucking robbery.
not long ago the judges’ mantra was ‘leg kicks don’t win fights’ and now they do? really? is this what the sport has come to? a game of favourites? a big fan-trolling from the judges? fuck this bullshit.
i’m seriously disenchanted by the ‘sport’ right now.
pride never die.
i love that people throw around the term robbery
in a close fight…what you really mean by robbery is “i thought fighter A won, but the judges said fighter B won”
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had a couple good beers this past weekend
finally got my hands on that racer 5 recommendation of yours, and it was great, and my friends and i got another great ipa from peak organic…also got a couple brooklyn winters at a bar, it was also fantastic
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I haven't had the peak
I have issues with things that are “organic” to me, if it comes from the ground it’s organic. The Brooklyn Winter is decent…..
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peak organic was very good
i was very surprised…we also had a magic hat IPA that i wasnt thrilled with…i love brooklyn brewery, most of their beer is great to me
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If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
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I love all Brooklyn Brewery stuff as well.
Was the Magic Hat the most recent IPA on Tour? Was the label teal with a purpleish lady face on it?
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umm, i think so?
i dont remember too well…i seem to remember those colors being reversed, but you could possibly be right…it had like a smokey, almost coffee-ish taste to it…i wasnt really a fan
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more forearm bitch
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I did not know VM had such lovely painted nails.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, I was actually going to include a forearm joke,
something like, I had to hide by forearm because I didn’t want that sick freak Shivan masturbating to it tonight.
BUT, then I noticed the purple finger nails… lol
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And you tried Dogfish Head yet?
That is my favorite standard IPA.
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yes i have
i like it
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If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
Hey, have you gotten that in the mail yet? You probably should have gotten it last Thursday I'd guess
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i was away for a few days
ill check my mailbox shortly
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Ok cool, it should definitely be there.
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no, actually what i mean is
‘judges score octagon control, effective striking & aggression’ as 3/4 of the criteria. Since grappling wasn’t pressent, that’s it.
i don’t know which fight you saw, but i saw 0 aggression from the natural born pussy and 0 octagon control.
pride never die.
Throwing more strikes against the best volume puncher in the game is not aggressive?
neither had octagon control as both fighters went wherever they wanted, but for Nick taking Condit’s back in the 5th.
This was no robbery.
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i'm sorry but leg kicks aren't strikes when they don't even move the target's leg
it was a fucking robbery
pride never die.
they weren't damaging
but they were effective, Condit essentially used them as his jab
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u know what who gives a fuck anymore its been done to death
the real loser in this is all us fans.Who gives a fuck about condit/gsp? Diaz/GSP had us all excited we might have seen the pre Serra GSP,now its just mma 101.GSP will beat condit easily and again boringly
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
and i will glady miss it!
either of the two would lose to gsp but in the case of nick, it would have at least been entertaining
pride never die.
same here ill catch the result on mania when i get up
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
judging it that way, would leave it a draw
Condit – striking
Grappling – Even, Diaz had Condits back, Condit reversed it
Octagon Control – Even, neither had control
Aggression – Diaz
Thats 2 -2
Unfortunately those are just criteria, and the fight is scored round by round, not as whole.
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There were 3 other fights on this card that were bigger "robberies"
this was a close fight in which the guy who landed more got the decision. NOTHING MORE.
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by Ulf Murphy on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
his was a close fight in which the guy who landed more kicks got the decision a technique that didn’t work for mauricio shogun rua not two years ago even though he was judged by the same cecil peoples
pride never die.
*got the decision with a technique
pride never die.
So the fallout from that fight could not have affected how Peoples judges fights?
So because judging criteria has grown since that fight, you are pissed off?
Or is it that you are pissed of because you wanted a war and got a clean, tactical fight?
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i just wanted a good fight
and as the fight moved along I decided to recognize diaz’s bravery and had him up on my score cards, so did my gf and she’s not even a fan of the sport
pride never die.
so did my gf and she’s not even a fan of the sport
and that did not set off warning bells??
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not really
i’ve told her a thousand times over the years how fights are scored and showed her machida vs rua i at least twice (she even scored the fight for machida)
pride never die.
She sure sounds qualified to be judging a fight....
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only hardcore fans watch the fights and thus they're the few ones qualified to score a fight, right?
pride never die.
Ummmm, yeah
The more you know about the sport, the more you are qualified to be a judge. Like, do you think your Grandma is a better judge of the fights than you????
You are reeeeeeeaaally fucking stupid sometimes. I mean, beyond belief.
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i don't know, is she watching the fights?
’cause if she is, then she has every right to judge them the way she sees fit.
pride never die.
sure she does
but that doesnt mean shes qualified to judge the fights PROFESSIONALLY…your g/f and your grandma have every right to say who they think won, but if theyre not fans of the sport, and thus dont know much about it, their judgment means nothing…VM is right, sometimes i feel like you just need to take a breath and think about what youre saying, cause it frequently makes no sense
If you think, you are late
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If you use strength, you tire
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so now mma judging is reserved to an elite group?
‘cause you’re not a pro, nor is mike. We’re judging as fans and you two imply i can’t judge because i’m not a professional (nor anyone related to me).
if i can’t state my opinion on mania, then what the fuck is this bullshit? fuck that shit and the both of you
pride never die.
The NSAC would say that none of us are qualified to be a judge
But we can all still state our opinions, but I think that you would have a better opinion as to who one a fight than your Grandma who has never seen a fight. However, with the level of intelligence you’ve been displaying of late, I couldn’t be certain.
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i'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion
i’m just saying you’re being kind of a little bitch.
i’m stating people who watched the fight with me called it for diaz, i’m not saying the NSAC should listen to me nor my gf, just saying diaz didn’t actually lose as much as carlos didn’t actually win.
pride never die.
are you lost?
Carlos won. That is undisputable at this point.
All you are doing is whinng about something that will never change.
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and thus the need for a rematch
still waiting for the announcement though i read carlos’ camp doesn’t want any of it
pride never die.
there was only controversy among Diaz fans
the stats back up Condit winning. THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY HERE.
and again, it was the FOURTH most controversial fight outcome on the card. So should we just rematch the ENTIRE CARD???
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Name the other ones that were more controversial since I did not see the PPV.
Kos with the eyepoke was one, right?
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
for the record, it was ugly but i had kos winning it
pride never die.
Martinez beat up Riddle for two rounds and lost a split decision.
Caceras got TWO points deducted for a low blow after one warning. First time that has happened in elite MMA that anyone can remember.
Kos won a controversial decision as a stand-alone, but factor in the Dean took 2 points from Caceras after the second infraction and Dean warned Kos twice BEFOR he poked Pierce in the eye, and tehn didn’t take a point, he should have been docke a point.
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oh, i forgot about the bruce leroy fight
my non qualified to judge mma fights gf thought that decision was a trasvesty. Cazares got robbed big time, even if he kicked the nuts twice.
classic herb dean with the 2 points, though
pride never die.
I thought the Martinez - Riddle fight was closer. Dean being inconsistent is definitely bs but looking at the Caceras fight by itself, I don;t think Dean overreacted.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
no, those nut shots were horrible
but it should have been a 1 point deduction only or maybe a plain dq.
the decision as it stands was a bit shaddy
pride never die.
Dude, his girlfriend is a casual fan and thought Diaz won
There is no dispute. Condit is mailing Diaz the belt via FedEx as we type.
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he should really use the usps, you know
pride never die.
You are saying that everyone's opinion of a fight outcome holds the same amount of weight
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
What you are saying is that Bob Arum’s opinion to who won a grappling based MMA fight is worth just as much as Eddie Bravo’s.
C’mon man, you are spitting jibberish and you know it. At least you should.
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I just don't understand
how irrational people can be about this.
You are the biggest Diaz fan on this site, other than maybe Stink, yet you realize what happened.
How come everyone else is being so childish?
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you're just being a diaz hater, ulf
i hate diaz guts as much as the next guy but he clearly deserved better from the judges following their line of judging from previous fights
pride never die.
I am not hating here.
I have said from the begining:
I PICKED Diaz to win.
It was a very close fight that could have gone either way.
Diaz did not do enough and the stats back that up.
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it just seems inconsistent to me
how in one fight, leg kicks mean shit and in another one, they win the whole thing. It just isn’t right, you know?
if mma had a consistent criteria and judges would actually follow it, you wouldn’t hear a complain from me but as it stands, i’m pretty pissed about the whole shenanigans
pride never die.
because people fall in love with their own opinions
and when someone as irrational as V has an opinion, theres no getting through
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
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says the guy who thinks his training partner will be the next big thing
i mean, seriously? you’re gonna cast stones?
c’mon, son
not denying he’s got talent, but he looked like a turd last time out
pride never die.
heres the thing though
you have a history of being irrational…i have stated a few times that chris looked like shit against maia, but he also had a reason for it…your love for fedor, your hate for bones, your thoughts on this fight ALL reek of irrationality…explain to me one time when i was unreasonably biased about something on this site?
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
i would
but i don’t really care much about you nor your opinion. I only brought chris up because you insist on me being irrational and wanted to show you, fandom will lead to bias and you shouldn’t be throwing stones in a glass house.
for your part, I just see it as either plain fixation on me or plain trolling.
we don’t agree, that’s fine but stop with the fedor bullshit every time you disagree with me, it gets old. you don’t see me following you around every thread giving you shit about jersey shore and jeans if i don’t agree with you, right? you don’t see me calling you on your nuthugging (and you know whose nuts you hug) for certain fighters, now do you?
i mean, c’mon son. We can agree to disagree and you won’t see me calling your faults in every comment
pride never die.
again, your "comparisons" dont exactly compare
but i wouldnt expect you to be able to understand that
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
i wouldn't expect you to be humble either
nor a bigger man.
that’s the one thing you should learn from ans
pride never die.
haha, the hypocrisy in this statement
is astounding…one reason why you arent being taken seriously…and thats not me trying to call you out, thats just real talk
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
vhw
I just emailed you a bunch of recipes, you’ll have to convert to all grain though
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hahahah
shogun-machida I was a robbery
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
so you think shogun-machida I was a robbery
yet you discredit condit who employed, by your own admission, a very similar strategy in his fight with diaz…dont you think thats a bit counterintuitive? shogun won, condit won, both in close fights…condit-diaz was closer than shogun-machida IMO
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
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Shogun Machida 1 was different because Shogun outlanded Machida in total strikes, Diaz didn’t.
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look below
i think shogun won, no argument from me there
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
Rua - Machida I was a robbery if you listened to Rogan's commentary. You watch it w/o sound and you see a different fight.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
i have, multiple times
because i know commentary can be swaying…ive watched the fight 5 or 6 times, ive gotten 49-46 shogun every single time…to be fair, youre not the most unbiased in this case lol
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If you are late, you use strength
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Nah, if Rua walked away with the UD I would not have complained. I had it as a draw.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
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I rewatched the fight, and you were right. Fucker….
I hate being wrong
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It wasn't a question of being right
because I could have seen it go the other way with convincing.
I just wanted yo to step out of the moment and look at it again. ANS asked me to do that for the Kampmann/Diego fight and I could see how the judges got their decision. It was a great learning experience.
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I still do stand by my statements yesterday regarding watching it live
on the replay I was obviously looking for different things……
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agreed, that is part of it.
but I try to watch the fights differently now. i try to guage every aspect of both fighters. It is part of the reason I like to watch alone. I hate interruptions, lol.
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i try to guage every aspect of both fighters
I lose alot of the entertainment value if I do that live though. And after all, that’s what this is supposed to be about. If I wanted to be a judge, I would be a judge, for now I am just an opinionated fan.
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lol
I am entertained by a good technical fight that I can analyze as I am watching. It is part of the reason I hate slobberknockers and one-sided fights so much.
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I'm a little less multi-task by design
Most nights by the time the main event rolls around, I am just interested in watching for the entertainment value, I do tend to analyze the undercard a bit more, but that is mostly do to the money league
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I wish more people would start wondering why Nick didn’t adjust, why Nate continued to be Nick’s “Yes Man”, and why Nick refuses to look in the mirror whne things don’t go his way.
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why Nate continued to be Nick’s "Yes Man"
never ever tell your fighter that they are ahead on the scorecard, even if they are.
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This is becoming of a proportion to BJ Penn
When Nick fights again, I will be interested to see if he changes anything. My guess is he doesn’t and loses to either Kampmann or Diego.
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if he wins it will be by sub from the bottom
although Diego might be dumb enough to just stand with him. Diaz almost needs a different sport, something with just punching and grappling.
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no chance Diego stands with him for a long time.
only enough to set up his shots and take Nick down.
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I still think NIck wins that though
We keep talking about how Nick hasn’t evolved, which may be true, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t gotten better, since their last match, I feel Nick has grown more as a fighter than DIego.
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I would agree
but Diego can take a tremendous beating and keep coming. I favor Nick, but it would be a better scrap than either Condit or GSP.
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sounds like sambo
and thanks for the recipes, st! how good are the ESBs? I can get those hops locally so they would be rather ‘easy’ to brew.
the imperial stout reads awesome but it sure takes a long time to condition lol. I think now’s the time to get those glass carboys and go for it
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^ that's the barley wine, not the imperial stout
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I have a batch of that barley wine in secondary now
It is definitely more of an english style, if you wanted a more american style, just up the hops…
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the esb's were decent, they were the first beers I ever did,
only thing I would change would be going from the liquid extract to the DME
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i read somewhere i just have to divide the lme by 0.65 in order to get an estimate on the grain
i have access to rahr pale malt so color should be spot on, think i’ll try either of the two ESBs first and go for the barley wine next. A million thanks, man
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no worries.
when you do the barley wine let me know, I am curious how much grain will be needed to replicate that recipe.
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according to homebrewtalk
1lb of DME = 1.67 of grain, so just above 20lb. I can go as high as 14lb with a 1:1 grain to water ratio if i recall correctly, so chances are i’ll need some dme or lme to pull it off. It shall be an incredible task!
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Nick's posturing and taunting even confused Nate
luckily it didn’t factor in with the judges, because honestly, at the bar I was at, it did with alot of people watching. I kept yelling that he’s taunting but getting peppered and out maneuvered while, many times, not getting anything off. A large bunch would go crazy in excitement and boo Condit just at the dight of Nick taunting. I was worried it might play to the judges.
This is also interesting.
I would have switched it up if I had thought Nick was losing the fight, but I was so confident that I felt I didn’t need to.
I agree with you, I thought he won the first, the second and the fifth. The third was kind of a toss up, but when it’s that close I always give it to the other fighter. At the end of the fourth I went up there to the cage, and Nick turned around and said “What do you think.” In my mind it probably was 3-1, but I said, “it’s 2-2, let’s go out there and win this fifth round.”
So he thought he was clearly winning, no need to switch it up, but he also thought, going into the 5th, it could have been even.
If so, then when would he have had time to adjust, if not going into the 5th and final round?
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by *Californication* on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Nick should have adjusted to what Condit was doing in the first round after he evaded him the first 3 time.
it is the mark of top fighters.
Diaz continued to do the same thing over and over and over again for 4 rounds. By round 4 it was obvious who was getting the better of the striking exchanges (Condit) as he even stopped evading because he was in a groove and peppering Nick with pretty much whatever he wanted. So, the tactics that you used for the last 4 rounds resulted in you getting obviously beaten in RD4, but you might still be winning easily? REALLY?
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I don't think he could have adjusted, really
Nick doesn’t have that kind of style where he can cut guys off from circling. as great as his hands are, he doesn’t have that kind of boxer/ striker movement. that’s why he relies on his chin so much, imo. he is either standing in front of guys or walking them down. i haven’t seen circling or angling from him in the past or in this fight.
plus, even if he did have the ability to cut Condit off and keep him from controlling the distance, by round three he had taken a lot of leg kicks. because Nick seems to think leg kicks aren’t effective, he let them accumulate, and it effected his mobility. the disparity between strikes landed kept going up for Condit each round. by round 4 or 5, Carlos was beginning to outbox Nick. strangely enough, it was Nick looking to clinch throughout the fight, finally succeeding with a takedown in the fifth. i think he was trying to adjust, even though his corner was telling him he won.
I'm a big fan of Nick's
I don’t like Condit. I thought Carlos won the fight.
I was wondering when Nick was going to try something else since obviously chasing someone around getting countered all night was going to end well.
I don’t understand all these people that are surprised by the decision.
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After digesting it all
I am definitely disappointed that Nick and his corner were not smart enough to realize they needed to make adjustments.
Who knows what may have happened if nick could have gotten carlos down by any means possible (trip, sweep, throw, pull guard). Quinton baiting Lidell comes to mind where quinton stopped walking lidell down and was like come on in which lidells ego hit him before quintons L hook.
Nick should be greatful that hes under contract which prevents him from boxing because anybody with moderate hand speed would light him up, lets not forget diaz’ greatest assest his tuffness would cause him many unanswered blows to his head in a ring. And even though he fights like a savage he likes taking punches about as much as anyone esle.
Agreed
Nick really should have been smart enough to know he wasn’t winning the fight. The only thing he was doing was walking forward. He was losing every other aspect of the fight. He or someone in his corner should have been smart enough to decide to take that fight down. He waits until 40 seconds left in the fight to take him down and try to submit him. That should have happened every round. He probably would have won if he had gotten 5 TD’s.
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Thanks for the link to the transcript
It was a good read.
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Shogun outstriked Henderson 191 strikes to 113.
That’s for you all you kids claiming Condit beat Diaz. By your logic, Shogun beat Henderson.
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that fight was a poor display for mma
personally, i believe both fighters & fans lost but at least it should have been scored a draw. Hopefully shogun goes back to the fighter he was not 2 years ago ‘cause if he fights that shitty again, i’d rather have him retire.
and henderson can go fuck himself, fucking roider
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While simply scoring a zero-sum game on strikes landed is obviously not the proper way to score a fight, that fight isn’t one that would prove your point how you are implying it anyhow. If you score Condit-Diaz on simply strikes landed each round, Diaz takes 2, Condit the other four for 49-46. If you score Hendo-Rua purely on just strikes landed, Hendo takes small wins in the first three, Rua takes the fourth and a Rua shutout in the fifth for 10-8 makes a draw, not a Rua win.
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What do you score the fight on then? Significant strikes landed? Shogun landed more of those things in 4 rounds too LOL.
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How did you score that fight? Considering Shogun outstriked Henderson in every aspect, landed more punches and sig strikes?
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by danago on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
I just showed you that Shogun didn’t outstrike Hendo in any of the first three rounds, but you seem to think that there is some rollover from Pride rules that say the full fight stats mean anything in scoring 5 INDIVIDUAL rounds.
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Not at all
I took your advise and looked up Fight Mertric, as you said it was the best for scoring fights, it’s the most accurate and the UFC even give it props. You said hands down you simply cannot argue against.
I went over, saw that they scored it a draw. You must agree?
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by danago on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL, again making things up.
Go read what I said again and come back to discuss if you want. Comprehend it this time instead of attempting to start an argument with your typical bullshit.
In fact better yet, go find the comment of mine you are talking about and copy it here since it is so relevant to your point.
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I will when I get on the computer. Typical you though, go off on one when someone exposes you, try to get out of the argument fast. Get on my level kid.
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by danago on Feb 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
good job proving your point without any facts or real analysis.
again.
Thanks for the banter Geno.
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and whilst you are in your computer, look up that long lost excel book where you made the calculations for the division rankings
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You think you're fancy or something?
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i had to google that
but no, haven’t eat those
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what I still can't figure out
is if round five should’ve been 10-8
imo it shouldn’t only because before getting taken down and pounded Hendo did land a good shot or two. imo the criteria for a 10-8 is either a fighter retreating for five minutes or not landing virtually any effective offense, neither striking nor grappling-wise.
but then i start to wonder, what if one fighter damages the the other way way more than but the other fighter still lands a few shots, but the other rounds were extremely close (e.g. Machida/ Rampage) and all the significant damage is done in that round, should it be 10-8…? i really can’t decide.
oh and disclaimer** by retreating i don’t mean what Condit did in the Diaz fight i mean what Jason Reinhardt did in the Edwin Figueroa fight. don’t wanna start that up again…
The Shogun/Henderson fight is what the definition of a Draw should be.
Hendo easily took the first 3 rounds and Shogun took Round 4 10-9 and Round 5 should have been 10-8. Hendo basically landed no power strikes just a handful of jabs compared to what Shogun did to him that round.
i tend to agree
the only thing for me is how close Hendo was to finishing the fight early on. i forgot if it was round 1 or 2 but Hendo blasted shogun and was pounding him out on the ground. it could’ve been stopped, really. the damage differential in that round was huge, too, so does that mean that should’ve been a 10-8?
i’m not trying to argue, i honestly don’t know what to think…
That breakdown from Nate on what Nick's corner was saying the whole time is priceless
is that really all they say during a fight? Is that really all they train for? punch punch throw body shots and you got this

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