Why Carlos Condit will be the most dangerous man Georges St. Pierre has ever fought
by (shonuff) on Feb 7, 2012 6:02 PM EST
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With UFC 143 in the books, many fight fans are bemoaning the loss of the much-anticipated match-up between UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre and former Strikeforce Champion Nick Diaz, but is it because they've been blinded by the emotional build-up and the Diaz mystique?
An unbiased comparison of the resumes between the Stockton slugger and new Interim 170-pound champion, Carlos Condit, clearly shows what St. Pierre himself said in the now-infamous Diaz no-show press conference: "The Natural Born Killer" is a tougher challenge for him.
And a more deserving contender.
Condit may not have the polarizing charisma to sell as many tickets as Diaz, but realistically, he poses a much more serious threat to the throne. This is also a better fight. As a die-hard St. Pierre fan, this fight makes me nervous, whereas the Diaz fight looked like a cakewalk, comparatively.
Lets look at some key facts the Diaz bandwagon seems to overlook:
Condit has as many finishes as Diaz has total wins.
With 13 KOs and 13 submissions, Condit is the most well-rounded guy GSP has fought since Penn, maybe ever, and he's much bigger and more powerful than Penn was. There's nowhere GSP can take this fight and feel safe.
Condit's only loss in the last six years was a split decision to Kampman in his UFC debut.
Condit finished his last five UFC opponents, all but Hardy are current UFC contenders, not Strikeforce wannabes.
Diaz has only one meaningful win over UFC-level talent. And we all know how inconsistent Penn is, especially at anything over 155-pounds. Before that, Diaz's biggest win was over Robbie Lawler EIGHT YEARS AGO!
Diaz has NEVER beaten a serious wrestler or takedown artist. In his previous UFC stint, he lost to Karo Parisyan, Sean Sherk, and Diego Sanchez. He hasn't faced a serious wrestler since.
Condit finished Dong Hyun Kim and Rory MacDonald, both undefeated before and since they lost to Carlos. He also finished Jake Ellenberger who hasn't lost in four years -- except to Condit. That's three contenders who haven't lost a fight in the UFC to anyone but "The Natural Born Killer."
I honestly think Carlos Condit could well be THE MOST DANGEROUS FIGHTER GSP HAS EVER FOUGHT!
Add to that the fact that GSP will not have his master game-planner Greg Jackson in his corner and that many of his coaches are currently coaching Carlos, and the fact that GSP will be coming off a VERY long layoff and major surgery that could seriously hinder his explosiveness and power, and I see this as very possibly the toughest test of St. Pierre's career.
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jake ellenberger imo
he will come in and try to take GSPs head off straight away.Condits got nothing for GSP,he wont be able to kick because he will get dumped on his head and that flashy striking wont get him anywhere.No good crunching numbers when it comes to GSP all that goes out the window.
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I hope you're right, Bro!
And I agree that Ellenberger is a beast and might pose some serious challenges to GSP.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Definitely agree
I want to see Diaz and Ellenberger go at it, they both love to throw.
Check out this video of Jake, the last part is the best:
Ellenberger would just wrestle him lets be honest
then all the cry babies would come out again
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wrestle Diaz?
Watch the last 10 seconds of that video I posted lol. I think he’d throw, he always has. He only wrestles later in the fights if he HAS to. He said it himself.
he throws yeh but his best bet is on the ground and smothering diaz
throwing bombs from top control. if it stays up diaz is gonna just gonna throw shots like he did condit, but i dont think jake has the kinda movement to get out of there
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
He would trade with Diaz
And put him out, the way Ellenberger connects is completely different than when Condit does. Just look at that video I posted it should clear this up. But regardless it would be a more exciting fight than Condit/Diaz rematch. I see what your saying though.
oh dude trust me i love ellenberger
I like him a hell of a lot, him and hendricks in the WW division are storming it. I just see Ellenberger getting outboxed, I dont think he’d throw like he usually does , he should got for a paul daley route and just wail on him, and hope he knocks him out aha. id love to see a daley vs diaz 2 tbh I think itd be equally as awesome if the ufc got daley back.
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
that video is amazing btw
when he hits a punch bag you can hear butterflys doing push ups!
LMAO
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Plus, Condit doesn’t have the jujitsu that made Diaz a bigger threat for GSP. By the way I picked Rory MacDonald from that list above.
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
What do you mean Condit has no BJJ? He has 26 stoppage wins and half of those were subs. And not all of them were taps to strikes or a simple RNC after a guy gave up his back after getting his face punched off.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
is that why he reversed him in the last round then?!
stop clutching straws babygirl
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
He reversed him because Diaz heard the taptaptap and tried to score an armbar
Otherwise Diaz spends two minutes sinking in the death
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
of course he did
boo hoo
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think most people here agree that Diaz didn't lose the position, he was going for a hail mary sub
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
Well im sure he did go for it but still lost position...
it makes no difference to the outcome anyways
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
tbh with you i was sittting at the end of the fight i had it 3-2 condit
and i said to my pal it could go either way and i wouldnt be pissed off about it if it went Diaz’s way.. it was so close there’d have been shit either way whoever won
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
He didn’t get anywhere close to that sub
Every time Chuck Norris looks into a mirror it breaks. Even glass is not stupid enough to get between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris.
What is the point of a hail mary? Because you're LOSING and need a miracle to win
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by danago's manager on Feb 8, 2012 3:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Out of the blue and he had 10 seconds. The phrase you’re looking for is “somebody who looks to finish”
by MrGrapplefan on Feb 8, 2012 3:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Every fighter tries to finish when they hear the click click click
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
the biggest threat is Johnny Hendricks
I can’t vote for any of those others, hendricks would beat them all
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
the same Hendricks that Rick Story beat?
his win over Fitch was a fluke
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... also the same Hendricks which beat Mike Pierce who
almost beat Josh Koscheck.
Hendricks has improved the most out of those 3, he’s gone back to training at the big powerhouse wrestling colleges. Hendricks hands have gotten way way better than Pierce or Story and Hendricks seems to be using his wrestling for mainly takedown defense.
Hendricks 12 second KO was a fluke, but not beating Fitch, that was no fluke, I was so sure I bet on a Hendricks parlay w/gustaffsson. Im also guessing Hendricks is the best fighter out of all the ones mentioned above
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
Jon was coming off a long lay off, I wanna see what he looks like next time out.
Also didnt Condit beat Ellen by Dec? Wasn that like his only decision win ever?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Feb 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Fitch was coming off a long lay off from serious surgery, that is always difficult.
Condit did beat Ellen by split decision and if I remember correctly Ellenburger gassed and condit got a 10-8 3rd round.
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
Don't know I thought Condit lost the first as he got rocked bad
And then won the second and third by top position I think. Been a long time since iv’e seen that fight.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Feb 10, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
As for Hendricks
On paper he’s legit and after a win over Fitch it’s hard to make an argument against the guy. How ever if he had knocked him out in the second round or even the end of the first as opposed to right off the bat, there would be no argument about it being a fluke win.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Feb 10, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
i think its more of
“this will be GSP’s toughest fight” because of what you said about injuries, and all old coaches coaching against him….not so much that Condit is a threat
give GSP a fight against Condit before his knee and it would be a 50-45 dominating decision…having said that, I see nothing but a GSP UD in his future
I don't think GSP will ever be back at 100%.
Which is beyond unfortunate. I can easily forsee a re-injury with him going too hard in trainging. However a 75% GSP is better than the rest.
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by *Californication* on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
who knows, the guy is a freak
and may just heal quicker than anyone else as well….we do know he is doing 100% all the right things for his health, so i really hope we see him come back stronger
And it's not like he has anything else going on
He can focus all of his energy into healing and getting better. It’s not like he’s got another job and a family to worry about and misses his rehab appointments because he’s too busy to make it. This is his job now.
"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to go to his class."
- Choi, Hong Hi, Founder of Taekwon-Do
yeah, but for a guy who trains 7 days a week, it's gonna be hard to hold back!
Training is his whole life, it’s gonna be hard for him to sit still for that long.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
its shamefull really if he spent more time training with the elite bjj, boxing and kickboxing experts
And less time in gymnastics jumping on trampleines twirling back flips and mounted unevn bars he may be able to regain some dignity and credibilty back and who knows mybee even earn a ko or sub of night……………….or not
by dia mette on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't pay too much attention to Diane.
She’s nothing but emotions and feelings. You’ll waste your time.
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yeah i know
i mean he doesnt even train in MMA…just gymnastics.
i heard when he trains with Roger Gracie, they just see who can do better hand stands
They work on cartwheels and summersalts in their pink gi’s dont believe me ask dan hardy
by dia mette on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL...
of course! When I need reliable info, I always look for the guy with a red mohawk and bad teeth.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
it was in reference to st pire not being able to snap a fully extended arm lock
by dia mette on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
right...cause GSP is clearly the one lacking dignity and credibility!
Puh-leeze!
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I agree completely
There are only so many hours in the day. Every minute you spend on irrelevant fitness exercises is a minute not spent perfecting what you will actually do in the cage: fighting.
The best way to build powerful punches is not to lift weights- it is to hit a heavy bag or makiwara. The best way to develop stamina for fighting is not running round the track, it is sparring for five-minute rounds. The best way to develop fantastic kicks is to do thousands of kicks.
I’m not really a GSP fan, because I don’t see him excel in any one thing. His edge comes from general athleticism and fitness. If he spent more time actually practicing fighting techniques, he might knock out or submit more people, instead of just out-humping them.
man, are you gonna make me take back all those nice things I said about you're intellegent comments?
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I am a GSP fan but he does make some valid points.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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His edge comes from general athleticism and fitness.
Valid point.
If he spent more time actually practicing fighting techniques, he might knock out or submit more people, instead of just out-humping them.
Valid point. See the Hardy fight. His BJJ coach confirmed he had the wrong technique.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Let me qualify my GSP fandom - I am objective and see the criticisms as valid. I do not have Yan's ferocity or die hard loyalty for the French Canadian phenom. Is that accurate, Yan?
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really a GSP fan, because I don’t see him excel in any one thing
Strike one. (He is the best wrestler in all of mma, stats don’t lie)
His edge comes from general athleticism and fitness
Strike two (is athleticism and fitness an advantage or is it not? Mot is clearly confused.
If he spent more time actually practicing fighting techniques, he might knock out or submit more people, instead of just out-humping them.
Strike three. (Mot has been commenting on an MMA blog for two months now and he thinks he knows more about training techniques than Firas Zahabi, John Danaher, Jonathan Chambers, or Greg Jackson who have been at it for decades)
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i might no like him anymore but he’s the greatest athlete to ever compete at ww (even if i don’t think of him as a fighter) to say otherwise or to dismiss his outstanding skills is just plain wrong
pride never die.
I took Mot's comment about general athleticism and fitness to be positive, as in, GSP is a great athlete and that gives him an edge vs. the other WW's. Yan sees it as negative?
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think he said it was a waste of time:
Every minute you spend on irrelevant fitness exercises is a minute not spent perfecting what you will actually do in the cage: fighting.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Then he went on to say it was his main asset:
His edge comes from general athleticism
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
So I said:
Mot is confused.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Mot is implying what others have said ad nauseum about GSP - he is an athlete who fights safe due to his overwhelming athletic superiority.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
His athleticism is one of his tools. Not his only one. You don't have to be a fan to see that.
If mma was an athletic competition, Phil Davis would be champion by now.
GSP is a great athlete and he is smart enough to use any or all fighting techniques in a winning strategy. And that’s easier said than done.
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when gsp wants to
he shows just how superior he is.
he out striked thiago easily, he out wrestled kos & fitch easily. GSP’s on a whole different realm when it comes to mma
pride never die.
He doesn’t finish fights because moving for a sub leaves open the possibility of being swept and throwing big power punches leaves open the possibility of eating a counter punch. Both of these things scare Georges.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
He's been tapped and been put p
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's been tapped and been out before.
Yes he plays it safe, but If you look at what his goal is, which is Anderson’s title defense record. Then you will see if he is safe. He will beat this record. Of course that’s saying he continues to fight smart. He don’t lose man. Scared or not, he will go down forever as the greatest of all time. He will be champion long after Anderson loses. Ando won’t make the year as champ. Gsp is Gunna come back and be vicious an continue to do the only thing that matters in any sport period. Win. That’s all he does. Anderson loses 4 rounds to only win in the fifth. Gsp dominates anyone. And everyone. If he doesn’t got out. Your in big fucking trouble. Who cares if you find it boring. Cause watching my Canadian brother throw these bums ass beatings for not stepping up is one of my favorite times of the year.
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
which is exactly why he fights smart
even if you call it “playing it safe”.
The one time he tried to please the haters he spent the whole fight with Shields going for the one-punch KO and what did it get him? The only rounds he’s lost in his entire championship reign, that’s what. He would have bullied and mauled Shields as usual if he hadn’t spent the whole fight headhunting for that big overhand right.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I struck out Mot’s last part of that statement because I disagreed. However, the end result of GSP’s training is to win intelligently and safely – not necessarily to finish.
For example, the jab vs. Kos was beautiful but it is NOT a technique used to finish opponents.
I also adhere to logic and reason, Yan.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I do not doubt that.
When you speak of my ferocity or die hard loyalty, do you doubt it?
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I never have - the real question is do you doubt my GSP fandom? I think sometimes you do, which is fine but I want you to admit it.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Haha! What a dramatic series of posts! Is one of us turning to the dark side, Jedi Yan? :)
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am the same as I ever was.
When I see you giving weight to some questionable statements, I tend to overreact. You’re like my son, kid, I just don’t want you turn out bad so yes, I will continue to have an eye on you always. I just wish I didn’t care so much sometimes.
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I have no greater loyalty than to logic and reason.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
"Stats don't Lie", someone said:
Condit
Wins: 28
By Knockout: 13 (46%)
By Submission: 13 (46%)
Nick Diaz
Wins: 26
By Knockout: 13 (50%)
By Submission: 8 (31%)
GSP
Wins: 22
By Knockout: 8 (36%)
By Submission: 5 (23%)
How does he do benchmarked against his peer group? You know the biggest enemy of logic and reason? Bias.
I’d suggest GSP spends less time practicing ballet and go hit a heavy bag. Then do some Jiu-Jitsu grappling drills.
i'd like to see condit fight against kos, fitch, alves, shields, etc
and yes, he did finish hardy but that’s not saying much.
is easier to finish your rival when you’re fighting half cooked shit (goes both for diaz and condit)
pride never die.
You want GSP to fight like Carlos Condit?
Is this what you’re trying to say? Condit is better because he has more finishes?
This:
How does he do benchmarked against his peer group? You know the biggest enemy of logic and reason? Bias.
makes no fuckin sense.
You said you thought he didn’t excel at any single thing. I said he was the best wrestler in all of mma with superb and unmatched statistics (with 78% in TD offense and 86% in TD defense). How is that not excelling in one specific area?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Ok, I'll complete my statement:
He doesn’t excel in any one thing relevant to finishing a fight. Okay?
Any ballerina can have a good TD defense, because it involves skipping daintily away from your attacker. My original point was, you become expert at what you practice. Practicing gynmnastics gives you a good TD defence. Beating a heavy bag gives you knockout power.
So GSP should take off his ballet slippers, shed the tutu, and go do some real masculine training.
Gymnastics helps make him a better athlete
I don’t know if you realised yet but having an athletic advantage over your opponent helps win fights. If Nick Diaz was stronger and more explosive maybe he could actually have hit a takedown vs Condit.
Sorry to burst your bubble but out of punching a heavy bag a million times like you would have GSP do or doing a wide variety of strength, cardio and technique training that his trainers currently have him doing I’m pretty sure nobody would be taking your advice
Every time Chuck Norris looks into a mirror it breaks. Even glass is not stupid enough to get between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris.
Please refer to stats above.
If mounting an opponent and drinfing against him for 3/5 rounds is your idea of how to win fights, fine. That’s what the stats show GSP has been doing, and iif he wants to continue doing that, he’s welcome to carry on with the ballet slippers at the girls’ academy.
However, if he wants to finish fights like man- the way the stats show Condit and Diaz have been finishing fights, then it’s time to abandon the balance beam and pink tutu and go train like a man.
Trolling or just stupid?
Don’t answer, that was a rhetorical question. The answer is crystal clear.
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Always happens
Faced with statistical facts, they inevitably resort to personal insults.
It’s as if they hate the facts for not conforming to their world view.
As you wish. The numbers are glaring- the man is a weak finisher because he wastes his training time on irrelevant gymnastics instead of perfecting effective technique.
You were the one who said stats don’t lie. Except when they say what you don’t want to hear, right?
As you wish. The numbers are glaring- the man is aweak finisherwinner
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What stats are you talking about
You make a vague statement about facts then go on a rant about nothing. All the while thinking you’re all high and mighty and smarter then everyone else.
Give me a break
Every time Chuck Norris looks into a mirror it breaks. Even glass is not stupid enough to get between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris.
In case you missed them:
Condit
Wins: 28
By Knockout: 13 (46%)
By Submission: 13 (46%)
Nick Diaz
Wins: 26
By Knockout: 13 (50%)
By Submission: 8 (31%)
GSP
Wins: 22
By Knockout: 8 (36%)
By Submission: 5 (23%)
Statistics are not arguments you knew that right?
I will help you. So you want to formulate an hypothesis?
Example:
Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit have better finishing ratios than GSP.
Exhibit A:
Condit
Wins: 28
By Knockout: 13 (46%)
By Submission: 13 (46%)
Nick Diaz
Wins: 26
By Knockout: 13 (50%)
By Submission: 8 (31%)
GSP
Wins: 22
By Knockout: 8 (36%)
By Submission: 5 (23%)
I view these numbers as proof that they are better fighters based on my own personal beliefs of what a fighter is.
Is this what you wanted to say?
Now had you said that I would only have disagreed, now I think you’re an ass.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Personal insults?
I’ll make an exception with you from now on and until I get banned off this site, dimwit. I always leave idiots alone for I feel bad for them. You just happen to be an idiot who’s proud of it. Dumbass.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
You know what else the stats show
Diaz and Condit aren’t nearly the Calibre of fighter GSP is. Are you related to the Just Bleed Guy?
Every time Chuck Norris looks into a mirror it breaks. Even glass is not stupid enough to get between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris.
Holy crap! It is him!!
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
hahaha, this is great!
Any ballerina can have a good TD defense, because it involves skipping daintily away from your attacker…So GSP should take off his ballet slippers, shed the tutu, and go do some real masculine training.
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yeah motmoron
he was talking about his wrassling stats get a clue and read before usprog youerself and type crap that makes you look like even more of a moron which is hard 2 do, also i think gsp is boring as after serra but i acknowledge his dominace therefore if he wants to do ballet he can, his the champ doesnt need your dumbass to tell him otherwise. LOL
I can say that I was warning them about their product getting diluted before their numbers dropped and that their numbers later dropped.
I can say that I’m worth paying attention to when I analyze their business.
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may Diaz should spend less time riding his bike and swimming. maybe Condit should spend less time prancing around at high altitude.
point is… what on earth are you talking about??? GSP has a black belt in karate and bjj. he has some of the most effective wrestling in mma. he is among the most well-rounded and dominant fighters in the world. he works his boxing with Freddie Roach.
you can think GSP is boring or a point fighter or whatever. but to say he has no fighting skills is bewilderingly stupid. and all this crying about ballad and you’re going to to talk about bias?
Preach on Mot, you tell these Canadian!
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You're regurgitating what diaz already said:
and by the way, GSP probably hits heavy bags as part of his training, and he has a karate background so Im sure he knows what makiwara is. GSP probably practices a gazillion kicks…
GSP what he does in addition is complimentary strength and explosive training.
Since GSP is arugably the best wrestler in MMA , that is him excelling at one thing.
I luv the way GSP trains, it is the modern day warrior method of training. Instead of cutting to 155lbs to be bigger and stronger GSP devoted his time to becoming an explosive 170lbr while not being the biggest he is arguably among the strongest.
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yeah gsp said he doesnt do weights for trainging
only for show, so dirrr he does hit a heavy bad douche
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all that red
showing your age…
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LOL, no it has more to do with his facial expression I think.
He looks like a man who was weaned on raw horseradishes & boiled cabbage.
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wouldn't that make him Polish?
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lol, IDK
but most of the Polish dishes I have had have cabbage in them. Most of the Russian dishes, beets.
I guess only us pollocks would realize I was joking.
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by hairybumcrack on Feb 7, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't horseradish a condiment and not a vegetable?
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
no, it's a vegetable that's usually made into a condiment
cause if you try to eat it whole it will light you up.
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Russian people love pickled cabbage
yesterday i had pickled cabbage that was beet collored. from what i know of polish food, it’s pretty similar.
considering Russia is easily the largest country in the world,
I’d venture to guess that there is a wide variety of foods, just like you see regional styles of food and cooking in the USA. Also, I hear alot about Polish sausages and Kraut, not so much Russian anything other than vodka.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
exactly
Vodka is the staple of they’re diet. It’s the appetizer and the main course…by then they’ll eat tree bark and vaseline and never know the difference.
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do they have horses in Russia anymore
or did Reem go there and eat them all?
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And people wonder why she was nicknamed Great.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like he is trying to give himself a hemorrhoid
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You're forgetting my man Hendricks!
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and Rory Markham? LOL you mean Mcdonald right?!!
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
oops, I did, lemme fix that! LOL
Ya know, you’ve seen one Rory, you’ve seen em all!
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come on man get with it! aha
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
if carlos is the most dangerous man gsp can fight in the division
then there isn’t really a point in him fighting at ww any more. Might as well just retire. He already surpassed matt as the greatest ww ever
pride never die.
not sure I get your point?
The WW division is so stacked right now that I think GSP’s biggest challenges lie ahead of him, not behind him. There was a brief time there when it was hard to find new challenges for him (ie: Hardy) but I think the WW division is more stacked and competitive now then it’s ever been and Condit is leading the pack of hungry wolves at the moment.
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none of those 'wolves' will hurt gsp
when you tell me condit is in the lead, then it’s just a sad panorama. GSP will eat’em all alive and i don’t even like gsp
pride never die.
Shogun outstriked Henderson 191 strikes to 113.
That’s for you all you kids claiming Condit beat Diaz. By your logic, Shogun beat Henderson.
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Not in 3 of the rounds
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condit is definitely the most deserving of the interim belt and unification bout and i will be rooting for him to break st pires face
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do I know you?
Sorry, I don’t keep track of which users say what, so you’ll have to refresh my memory about previous conversations that were the basis of this “e-friendship”. Don’t take that personally, there are only maybe 3 posters on here that I have even the vaguest notion of, and that’s usually because they said things too stupid to forget. So you should consider it a good thing that I don’t remember you cause it means I haven’t seen you say anything dumb enough to make me remember you.
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how can you forget
You said anderson was spineless
and the i said he sure is
and then i said i like you
and then you said i like you too that equals e friends now former ef.
I still like this post though
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Oh, you're one of the brave few who sees through the Ed Soares smoke and mirrors!
Good for you, Bro! I got no beef with you. But I’m kinda surprised that someone who sees through a diva like Andy doesn’t respect a humble champ like GSP who never bitches about opponents and always dismantles anyone they can throw at him without complaint. GSP is the the polar opposite of Silva.
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yup
Anderson finishes fights, GSP doesnt. GSP fights safe, Anderson head kicks ppl with his hands by his waist
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Very true. But I was refering to the fact that:
Anderson fights hand-picked opponents and does everything in his power to duck TOP3 competition. GSP never avoids a challenger for any reason.
And the fact that:
Anderson spent his career cutting 40+ lbs to beat up on the weakest division in the sport instead of fighting the shark-tank of legends his own size at 205. While GSP cleans out one of the most dangerous and stacked divisions in the UFC instead of calling out smaller guys or mid-level guys. You don’t hear GSP saying, "I don’t want to fight Carlos or Nick because I want to fight Frankie Edgar or Amir Sadollah.
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Aww man, not this crap again.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
I'm gonna have to go with Diaz...
Everyone GSP fights just freezes up and gets jabbed all day. Diaz walks forward all the time, and if he gets taken down, he has a really good bottom-game to threaten with submissions.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
wait, wait, wait
the guy that can’t win an interim belt is going to beat the best WW of all time? really?
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It's about the style.
And i didn’t say he’d beat GSP – I just think he has the best style to beat him.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
I have rarely been impressed with Diaz, so I know I am biased
but I don’t see that style working against any of the top WW’s in the UFC. Most are either too good of wrestlers or are quick enough to avoid major damage from Nick. None will get backed into a corner and allow Nick to tee off like the bums in SF did.
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beating BJ is no joke
but BJ is so inconsistent and such a slacker it’s hard to gauge by him. But Nick has a horrible track record with wrestlers and the WW elite is stacked with them. Maybe he’s improved his TDD, but we won’t know till we see him fight someone like Kos or Fitch.
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Beating BJ at 155 is no joke
BJ has beaten Hughes…and…Hughes at WW in his career. His last win at 170 was in 2004.
I don’t buy into the notion that the Fitch fight was some great feat as his gameplan was so much better than Fitch’s that it took Fitch half the fight to figure him out and once he did BJ got dominated. A top fighter at 170 with such a superior gameplan would have beaten Fitch that night.
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Did you miss his last fight?
I expect more of it to come, because like you, I believe the 170 class is stacked with killers and Fitch as a top contender is on his way out, and I am a huge Fitch fan. One of the few defenders on this site.
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I'm sure that will please Dana
I know a year or so ago he was dreading the possibility that he might have to give Fitch a rematch with GSP, which would almost certainly sink GSP’s elite PPV buy rate to an all-time low.
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GSP is the only real draw they have
Bones is not quite at elite status yet, but should be for the Rashad fight.
Dana watched about $10million wash down the drain when Condit’s arm was raised. So sad that a guy who has never proven himself on the highest level can attain such a status as Nick Diaz.
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and all b/c the wannabe thugs will tune in to watch him win
while the respectable followers of the sport tune in to watch him get beat
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
the draw going in will be rashad, i believe
jones will be the draw going out of ufc 145 IF he beats rashad (which i saddly believe he will).
good for the kid, he’s going to make a killing in the bank over the next 5 years or so
pride never die.
I just wish Bones would man up and go to HW
I like the kid a lot, but LHW was so much more exciting before, when it was a shark tank of evenly matched guys. Then suddenly you get this gargantuan coming in with his 126 inch reach bullying all the legends of the sport half his size.
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Weight cutting - its a bullshit loop hole, IMO.
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by OJR on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I like JBJ but I think if he made that jump right now,
he’d get eaten alive by the top of the HW division. i have nothing against a guy that has no problem making weight fighting at his chosen weight class. Plus, its fun to see a reign, something that very well may be historical.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
he wanted to test his skills against guys his own size and bigger at hw
But uncle dana said no. So you cant hold that against him
dana has a future cash cow in him
i understand why they don’t want to risk him but props to him for recognizing his advantage and trying to get a fight without it
pride never die.
i'm not sure about the advantage thing...
I just think he is believing that he is invincible. (not saying that’s bad for a fighter to believe, just unrealistic)
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
that was sad to see
All the great potential title fights with lhw superstars that could have taken place, how awsome would it have been to have a shogun vs quinton title fight main event @ 144
People still get excited for Rampage fights?????
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rampage still fights?
i thought he only shows up for the check and leaves as soon as he takes his beating
pride never die.
Fuckin rights VM
Rampage may not be the best MMA fighter but most his fights are entertaining and as a fan what else can you ask for VM.
Sure he has become one diminsional and even so is still one of the most entertaining fighters, just because he is not top tier anymore(fedor) he still is a treat to watch
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
He's become one dimensional?
when was he not?
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Pride
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
slams don't count as a second dimension
he is a sprawl and brawler, always has been, always will be. Nothing wrong with that.
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dude, Rampage slams count as the freakin FIFTH dimension!
ask Ricardo Arona…if/when he ever catches back up with us in the time-space continuum.
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Rampage doesn't even get excited for Rampage fights
Why should I
He is by far the least motivated human being involved in MMA. He literally shows up to collect a pay check and go home to get fat again.
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everyone including GSP knows exactly what Nick is going to do when cage door closes
Condit exposed him this past weekend for that. GSP is twice the fighter and much smarter than Condit
How can you say GSP is much smarter than Condit?
What are you basing this off of?
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This, coming from a New Foundlander?
LOL
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ulf ur just a big ass hater!
Y u mad bc diaz had conduck running away like a bitch…or is it bc nick the guy u talk so much shit about is more successful then u can ever b..u talk about how is retarded and not an elite ww but what have you done with urself besides being an old ass hole….BOTTOM LINE nick really won and deep down ur jelous a “thug” from stockton is better than u in every way except english lol
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
loser
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I didn't say Nick wasn't an elite WW
I just said he hasn’t proven it yet. BJ is the only Major League fighter he’s beaten in many years. As for me being jealous, that is definitely not the case. I have spent my life in ways that I am proud of and I wouldn’t trade lives with GSP let alone a disrespectful punk like Nick. Sure he could kick my ass, but I’m going to leave this world a better place than I found it and he’s probably gonna leave it with a knife in his back because he mouthed off to the wrong guy on the wrong street corner.
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i was talking to old man rivers
Not u
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you should probably change your sig
to never.
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na he won the belt saturday
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, maybe he can borrow Chaels. They are in about the same league.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
dude, that's an insult to Chael
Chael beat the ever-loving shit out of the most feared fighter on the planet. Diaz hasn’t beaten a TOP 5 in his whole career.
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beat the ever loving shit out of him? ha yeah and conduck really won four rd to one
Lmao gtfo
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what did Nick do to Carlos?
nothing. everyone’s argument is the octagon control…who gives a fuck who controls the Octagon if he isnt doing any damage to the guy…and losing the stand up fight…what octagon controlling was Diaz doing anyways? the fight took place exactly where carlos wanted it to..hence why he has a belt.
maybe so, but he cheated so i dont count that and also dont feel bad about insulting an admitted liar fraudster and cheat
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na he has his own he is the champ and will give carlos a rematch since all u girls r crying saying conduck won
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we all know the strikeforce belt doesn't count
hell, the WEC belt is more impressive than that and Diaz couldn’t even touch it
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u being the fairy
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you still on this site?
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by hairybumcrack on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
unambig thanks for that post the other day i wouldve done ir myself if i wasn't temperarely banned
Nick really won that fight
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup he did
But it’s ok, he’ll come back after GSP beats Condit 50-45
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
na nick will give him rematch
Then smash gsp on his way to greatness
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you got banned after the Diaz fight?
That is gangster!
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I still want to see Nick against some of the elite wrestlers
I’m not convinced he can beat any of them.
by LJ. on Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I’d love to hear his post fight interview after Fitch humps him for 15 minutes, lol.
by LJ. on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
fitch would get choked out dnt kid urself
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by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Styles make fights, Professor MMAmath!
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walking forward makes you easy prey for takedowns.
Diaz hasn’t fought a decent wrestler since he washed out of the UFC six years ago…and he lost to every serious wrestler he fought before that. In his entire career, name one time that he’s beaten a credible wrestler at least his own size….oh that’s right, he never has! So how do you think he’s gonna handle arguably the best MMA wrestler of all time.
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If Condit doesn’t want to open up to Diaz, what do you think he’s going to do with GSP LOL.
There’s a reason he’s lost to every technical kickboxer. Kampmann beat him, Rory beats him if he doesn’t gas and Ellenberger was beating him. To his credit he came back, but that doesn’t matter against GSP because GSP gas.
That tap the front leg and run doesn’t work against the best strikers. They see straight through it, he has nothing to offer GSP.
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by danago on Feb 7, 2012 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not seeing enough Hendricks love still..I'm dissapointed
that win was huge, only man to KO fitch since gouveia did god knows how long ago! he should be up there as the next man to fight for the title, Hendricks vs Condit then the winner fights gsp when he’s back
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beating Fitch was HUGE
but that fight was so short, we really didn’t get to see much of his game against a top-tier contender. . I wanna see him take out another TOP5 WW before I decide if I think he’s ready to really hang with the elite.
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Yeh it was short I know but its things like that just goes to show how dangerous he is
I mean I know fitch was out for a while etc but damn, its Jon Fitch regarded #2 by many. I do think he’ll wait to see the winner of Sanchez vs Ellenberger (itll be Ellenberger) then those two for No.1 contender
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good Post - I enjoyed your argument
Couple of minor points of disagreement.
1 – Paul Daley should be included in Diaz’s recent wins of significant accomplishment, especially that he finished him striking.
2. Condit did not finish ellenberger, it went to decision
3. Condit barely squeaked by the ellenberger and rory fights. It should be noted that he was not looking very promising at the start of his UFC career.
Everything else makes sense to me and I agree about him being a very dangerous fight for GSP. Especially as a first fight back after GSP’s layoff.
Daley went 2-2 in Strikeforce
he is not an elite WW, possibly not even mid-tier. They were just hyping him up because he was exciting to watch.
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Why did he beat a top 10 WW in Kampmann then, kid.
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by danago on Feb 7, 2012 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Daley the Mixed Martial Artists is only fringe top 10. Daley the slugging brawler is an absolute beast.
Diaz beat Daley at his own game, a game no one would have the stones and chin combo to survive.
You must be seriously underrating Daley, or be very biased towards Nick not to take into account that Nick outbrawled Daley.
That’s one of Nick’s biggest highlights of his career, possible above Penn since Penn gassed after the first.
And agreed, Condit did not finish Jake, and was not close to finishing Jake. If anyone was close to being finished , it was Condit , and Condit earned a split decision win.
I as well as otherdarkmeat agree with the rest of you post, I know this is more, look Nick is shit, Carlos is god stuff, but at least try to do it right.
Considering that Nick turned the NATURAL BORN KILLER into a point fighter, and Carlos himself admitted he wanted nothing to do with his hands or to even think about slugging it out with him, makes it a bit silly to act like Nick is just some trash.
Nick and Jake Shields, both did not face any wrestlers in their SF time. They are greatly overrated.
Nick is perhaps the best brawler in the history of the sport with a slick submission game .
And the Juggernaut will be trying to knock his ass out for sure, if he can’t he wrestle him. But he will try.
Excellent post
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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On my way lol
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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What's your call for ellenberger Sanchez
Thay has split decision one way or the other written all over it
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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It’s going to be similar to Condit vs Ellenberger IMO. Diego has the kind of heart , toughness, and cardio that is bad news for Jake . It’s too bad this isn’t a 5 round fight. Jake is all about mass power / explosiveness. He is probably the most dangerous 1st round fighter in WW right now. That being said, Jake will be trying to kill you in the first round, but if he doesn’t, his game stoops several notches.
Diego needs to be in the best shape of his life here, and that still might not cut it.
Jake is going to blitz Diego early and often, if Diego can survive the storm, he definitely has a real chance to out cardio Jake.
If anyone can replicate this Carlos gameplan, it would be guys like Diego , Kampmann, and Nick Diaz.
But there’s also a good chance that any of these guys get put out by the Juggernaut. He’s a god damn animal heading GSP’s way, and a serious problem for the champion.
I couldn’t say positively which way it would go, but I am leaning for Jake bringing just too much power to Diego.
Yeah
I was thinking the same. Ellenberger is a legit threat to gsp IMO
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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I gotta agree that it's Condit
Although I think his chances are pretty slim. The biggest question for me is how GSP comes back from the injury. Hopefully he’s close to 100%.
I think his surgery and recovery will be a complete success or a failure.
If you see him step inside the octagon again, he will at 100%.
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Not discussing who won with Nick/Condit
Carlos looked much improved to me. I think if he would have stayed agressive the whole fight, Nick would have taken it to him.
He looked like a smarter fighter, great cardio, and his muay thai looked pretty damn good. He was throwin some awesome combos out. I still believe he has killer instinct, he just never really hurt NIck too much to try and finish.
Carlos can beat GSP in the standup, the only question will be can he stop the takedown? And how will GSP look after the injury? I think GSP will look great, and get Condit down at will, so Carlos better be working on his TDD and BJJ
What does this point:
Diaz has NEVER beaten a serious wrestler or takedown artist. In his previous UFC stint he lost to Parisyan, Sherk, and Diego Sanchez, He hasn’t faced a serious wrestler since.
have to do with why Carlos is the most dangerous fighter GSP has ever faced? Nick isn’t fighting GSP, nor has he ever. Adding this in just makes you look like another one of the millions of Diaz haters.
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I don't think a million people know who Nick Diaz is.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
all stoners know who diaz is
and i bet there’s more than a million of them
pride never die.
Was he on the cover of 'High Times' or something?
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It doesn’t address the title, but it directly relates to the opening sentence of the post. The intent of the post was to get fans to realize that due to Sat night’s result, we’re getting a better challenger (Condit) than we’re losing (Diaz). Headlines sometimes require a hint of sensationalism to get people to check out the thread. The main purpose of the thread was to show that Condit is a more dangerous contender than Nick or anyone else at the top of the heap. It is addressed primarily to those who believed that Nick was the most dangerous potential challenger left on GSP’s dance card.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Nick (1-1 in the UFC)???
You might want to check them stats, homie!
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naturally I was refering to his current UFC run.
not the one that ended while Ken Shamrock was still in the UFC and Sean Sherk was the LW king.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
fuck you all Johny Hendricks would beat everyone!
I have had a drink and I dont care
FEAR THE BEARD!
What did you think id look like...
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I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
HAHAHA
people act like Jackson made Gsp the master game planner when it is plain to see…..SERRA did that!
lol yup.
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
two things u need to correct
1. Diaz beat Paul Daley by TKO in the first round.. thats a way bigger win than Lawler.
2. Condit did not finish Ellenberger.
Everyone pissing on condit now for 'running'
were saying hes a great fighter etc before the fight..he is a great fighter…he has a brain..unlike nick diaz and his YES men.
his corner seems very much like BJ’s corner actually..all YES men and licking his arse win or lose..
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
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Nick didn't lose that fight.
He was robbed. Of course his team is going to agree with Nick.
Team Sonnen!
I think it's time to see,,,
Diaz vs mayhem
Nick Diaz, UFC Champ 2012!!!
by DiazBroz on Feb 7, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
YES!! well if Nick hasn't retired
and is willing to go to 185
What did you think id look like...
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I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
no way. Sans Gomi he fought like shit at 160
And even missed weight once while fighting at lw.
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sweet merciful Jesus, why?
Mayhem would get completely fucked up…and he is irrelevant anyway..
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this blog entry is rubbish
Matt serra via TKO
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
sorry condit
ellenberger is the biggest threat and feel he got robbed agaisnt carlos
ellenebrger is a very good striker with muy thai and 1 punch ko power and a strong wrestling base
Ellenberger is a beast and, I think, a very serious threat to GSP.
I think GSP is smarter than Rory at this point in their respective careers. And Kim is one dimensional, an easy puzzle for GSP to solve. But Ellenberger has the one thing GSP most fears, 1-shot KO power, and he has it in buckets. He’s a very very dangerous opponent for anyone at this stage, even the champ.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Condit the biggest threat!?
Hah hah!
I hope gsp grabs him from behind as he’s running the other way and dry humps him into oblivion…
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What did you think id look like...
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
fail
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 7, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Decisions Decisions
Lets be honest…Carlos isnt finishing GSP under any circumstances. His ability to finish in the UFC is a little inflated. He knocked Hardy out, Ok. Save the DYK nonsense. The guys best win was against Amir? He got Rory , who is probably the real threat in this conversation, but after Rory gassed…He was getting a clinic run on him in Rds 1 & 2. Im sure Condit will try and Salsa his way to a decision, but GSP owns the judges…
Try Again
Rory MacDonald dropped Condit twice and would’ve won the decision if the ref hadn’t given him the tko with less than ten seconds left. I know, he won the fight, but you can’t pretend that shit didn’t happen. And way to throw strikeforce under the bus, last I checked Paul Daley was UFC caliber but was kicked out for throwing an illegal punch, not because he’s a “wannabe”. And if youre gonna talk shit on records, look at Condit’s finishes for the first 3/4 of his career. He was fighting nobodies while Nick Diaz was banging with the best in the UFC and Japan. Every single decision he lost was close. Diaz won all but two fights in strikeforce by decision, and thoroughly beat the shit out of anyone who survived. None of those decision wins were close. I know I’m feeding a troll here but come on man way to paint a very limited and uninformed picture of whats actually happened.
firstly
macdonald never dropped condit. if anything, condit almost dropped him.
by UFC Champ 42O on Feb 7, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Dude just shut up if you haven’t watched the fight. He dropped him twice in the first round.
by nomomrnicekyle on Feb 7, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Um
What fight did u watch
Condit was dropped 3 times in the first arguably a 10 8
Dominated in the second
Then condit showed hella heart (macdonald gassed a bit too) and pulled off one of the best come from behind wins Ive ever seen
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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Maybe I saw a dif fight
But condit never finishe ellenberger.
If anythig that was more contraversal then the Diaz condit decision. Ellenberger won that fight
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
Two week sig bet with TheDragon
by Kalejohncox on Feb 7, 2012 7:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed, Ellenberger nearly decapitated Carlos. Carlos showed some real stones coming from behind to beat Rory and Jake. The only guy who has been able to touch the new breed, and he still almost got ROFLSTOMPED.
Those two fights defined Carlos toughness. Carlos refuses to bring it to Nick Diaz defines Nick Diaz toughness as well as the Daley fight.
Yeah I agree
Especially that McDonald fight. That could have been stopped in the first a couple times. Shows so much to me there I will always respect condit a lot. And as much as people want to hate on condits game plan to run away and kick diazs legs, I found that way more entertaining then some of these fighters lay and pray style like guida
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
Two week sig bet with TheDragon
With the amount of toughness Condit has shown in his career, it’s really not fair to say anything about him running or bitching out against Nick Diaz. If there is anything to say, it’s that Nick Diaz is one god damn animal to have the Natural Born Killer running away. Nick Diaz is a fucking monster.
Great fucking post.
Things that one appreciates more as they get older: Neil Young, seltzer and grappling.
by John Danaher's Hair on Feb 7, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions
Rory MacDonald
Carlos Condit is the best test for GSP at this piont in time but make no mistake about the youngster Rory MacDonald. Rory man handled Condit it their fight and just ran out of gas a lesson learned but he is the BIGGEST threat to GSP at WW. The kid is a true MMA fighter and has the strength and speed to match GSP. 2 maybe 3 more fights and he’ll be ready to seriously win that fight.
blah blah.... he is gonna need more than a win over Pyle and Che Mills.
After he beat Mills then he can fight the likes of silva, maybe a stungun kim… All this rory hype is getting on my nerves!
He almost beat Condit
And was 11 seconds away from a 28-28 draw
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
This is true
Diaz and Condit are a great matchup and really no clear cut superior fighter. Condit just had a better gameplan in my opinion or Diaz was a little to predictable….either way it was a great battle.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
By the way, check this tweet from Ariel Helwani
@kennyflorian said that after 143, GSP told him he wants to fight Diaz so badly that he would be willing to give up his title. #ufctonight
GSP wants to fight the guy he hates, not another Jackson fighter
I lost a sig bet with enzo-enormous.
WOW, interesting
However, I do not see George giving up the belt.
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almost doesnt get you the belt... go as gray maynard..
just sick of hearing the guys name..
Wow another fucking anti diaz post that has holes all over it. “as a big gsp fan” yeah can you go ahead a pop his dick outta your mouth and maybe your fanpost would have some actual texture to it. I used to love this site and i frequent cagepotato for its humerous look at mma but after this diaz fight it seems both news sights are just jocking all over condit. Do we really have to sit back and watch fan posts which are supposedly “edited” be posted for the next couple of months until condit gets laid on for five rounds?
by Stockton Hello on Feb 7, 2012 9:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this sites still cool its just people hate nick everywhere if u like him u like him if u dont u most likely hate em
But fuck the haters i love that nick gets the most attention now people love to hate him bc he is from STOCKTON AND DNT GIVE A FUCK yeeeeeaaahhh!!!
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 7, 2012 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NO WAY
NIck is the only one who can finish GSP on his back , we all know GSP likes to take u down and control the fight …. MAYBE Condit can land a big kick that would hurt GSP but i honestly doubt it … Matter of fact i would bet anything if Nick fights him again it will be different …. Nick is good on his back , Condit not ellenberger not … GSP will take them all down …
Neither is as good as Shields on their back.
Grappling wise Shields destroys both but regardless Condit and Diaz are not a huge threat for GSP.
My pick is Ellenburger is the most dangerous in my opinion even though he lost a split decision to Condit he has looked better and better ever since. Unlike Diaz Condit just needs one strike to end the fight and at the very least do a great amount of damage.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Sheilds might be better off his back as far as defending and grappling back to the feet..
They are both better finishers off their back than shields.. not a doubt in my mind each are more dangerous off their back…
honestly ellenberger to beat your dreming if anyones picking him to beat gsp, a win over jake shields suddenly makes u great???all the fighters listed except condit can beat the champ, and i see gsp winning that one to.
P Whoever it is probably won’t be a kicker. Even the best kickers have frozen up worrying about the td (see the alves fight). I definitely put ellenburger/hendrix before condit when judging who is a threat to gsp. Diaz too. Condit hasn’t got the jitz or wrestling to hang and gsp won’t strike with him enough.
by MrGrapplefan on Feb 8, 2012 3:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
jimi hendrix?
What did you think id look like...
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I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
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by Rampagelangford on Feb 8, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
Condit, of course, edged Diaz with a technical gameplan that went unappreciated by many fans, especially those who supported Diaz. Nevertheless, his interim championship guaranteed a bout against St-Pierre that was based entirely on St-Pierre’s readiness.
St-Pierre, meanwhile, told “UFC Tonight” he would relinquish his belt to fight Diaz despite plans for a fight with Condit.
I chose Ellenberger.
He has the power to knock him out and possibly the wrestling to keep it standing. Condit won’t offer anything off his back that gap can’t handle. He also doesn’t have the TDD to defend his takedowns. GSP UD all day in that fight. Ellenberger however is a pretty interesting match stylistically.
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