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Cesar Gracie 'shocked' at UFC 143 decision, says 'incompetent judges' don't like Nick Diaz and are ruining MMA

Photo of Nick Diaz by Esther Lin via MMAFighting.com.

When the dust settled in Las Vegas, Nevada, after UFC 143 this past weekend (Feb. 4, 2012), there was a new Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) Interim Welterweight Champion crowned in Carlos Condit.

The event, however, did not end without having a dark cloud lingering over it. And that cloud, yet again, had to do with the judges' decision. The Octagon side judges awarded Condit a unanimous decision victory over Diaz and had many fans and media confused at the scoring and their call.

After the bout, Diaz, in utter disgust, announced his retirement from the sport of mixed martial arts (MMA), leaving fans across the globe disappointed at the possibility of not seeing Diaz compete in combat sports ever again.

Two days removed from UFC 143, the MMA community is still buzzing with the controversial decision of the main event and it seems that everyone has their opinion on who truly deserves to be the interim UFC 170-pound champ.

Cesar Gracie, Nick Diaz head trainer, is no exception.

Speaking on The MMA Hour, Gracie discusses the decision the judges, who he says do not like Diaz, rendered that left his pupil without UFC gold and without the opportunity to face welterweight kingpin Georges St. Pierre:

Star-divide

"He clearly won that fight. I've told him, when he lost before, that he has to let it go. But this fight was clear he won. I was shocked, we were all in disbelief, especially with the scores that they read. Every judge had Nick losing that first round. It takes two to make a dog fight and one fighter running away does not make it a dog fight. In my opinion, I don't think the judges like Nick. He talks in the ring and Nick slapped Carlos at one point in the face and told him to quit running. The judges have never liked Nick in Vegas, they don't like his attitude. He nearly had to kill B.J. Penn (at UFC 137) to earn that decision. I think they think he is disrespectful and they are going to find a way to go against him. I don't know what fight they were looking at. I literally thought they had mixed up the fighters names when they read the score. Everybody was confident that Nick won that fight."

Gracie also gave his thoughts on whether or not he believed Carlos Condit fought like a coward due to the game plan he and Jackson's MMA camp used, a camp, he says, he is not very fond of:

"Coward is a big word to use. I think anyone that fights in the UFC for as long as Carlos has fought, he is not a coward. I like Carlos Condit, you get a good vibe from him, but, I do not think he is a coward in any sense of the word. He just listened to his corner's game plan. Run away and throw some leg kicks. I am disappointed in the way he fought for sure, he promised a dog fight and it did not happen. I am impressed by his skills and I was concerned, but the tactic he used, it loses stock in other people's eyes and I was obviously disappointed. If Nick had been knocked out by Carlos, I would feel better right now than what I do. I don't like that camp (Jackson's MMA) and I'm not going to take that back. I like the fighters there, but when you have coachs that tell people to fight like that, I don't like it. I am proud to not corner my guys like that and I never will, we have a code and I'm proud of the way we fight."

On whether or not Diaz will truly hang up his gloves after announcing he would do so after his UFC 143 loss:

"I haven't talked to him about it (retiring). I would hate to see that. He is not just fighting his opponent, he is fighting the judges that do not like him. The whole judging criteria is so flawed, they don't answer to no one they are not reviewed and they will never be fired. They are making decisions that are ruining the sport and are ridiculous and no one is going to get them out of there. You have incompetent judges that do not even know anything about this sport. The criteria makes no sense and it is insane. I can understand Nick's frustration. We can have a rematch, sure, set up a rematch, but if it is with the same judges how are we going to win? I don't know how they had him losing that first round. After the fight, an actual official from Nevada came up to me and told me, you should have Nick box, because in boxing, they will still rob you, but he is still going to walk away with millions and millions of dollars. "

Condit, now awaits the return of Georges St. Pierre, which could mean he would have to ride the pine for another nine months to see action.

Are you Maniacs surprised at the revelation the Gracie has bestowed upon the MMA world that judges seem to have a disdain for Nick Diaz and his "bad boy" attitude inside the Octagon?

Thoughts?

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haha seriously.

and seriously why is this even a story? did anyone expect cesar to say “oh yea, nick got his ass kicked and the decision totally makes sense.”

Fuck It Dude, Life's A Risk

by theoregonduck on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Geno said it best.
Diaz is still too caught up in the outdated notion that a “fight” is two men standing in front of each other and wildly winging punches until someone falls down. On the streets of Stockton maybe that’s exactly how it goes but inside the Octagon against the best the world has to offer, that’s simply not the case and it never will be.

These guys just need to stop acting like everyone who doesn’t fight to their strengths is any less of a fighter, Not even Condit could beat Diaz in his own fight, so of course he does what he needs to do to win.

Now, count up your crimes!

by Cyclonejoker on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say that Condit couldnt beat him in his own fight

Condit is good when it comes to scrapping, hes a quick thinker and diverse.
But if he fought Nicks fight then it would be a 50/50 chance I think. If it went down like Diaz/Daley, Condit has the killer instinct to finish a fight without hesitation.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 6, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, "can't" or "never" are words that shouldn't be said in MMA.

I just don’t think it’s in any fighters best interest to slug with a guy who has an insanely good chin with reach.

Now, count up your crimes!

by Cyclonejoker on Feb 6, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

your right

but when you look at those 2, they mirror each other, but Condit is more diverse. both have good chins, reach, quick, and can put each other out. Diaz has been dropped plenty of times. That is the fight we all wanted to see. But Condit did the smart thing because his skills are diverse.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You are clearly dillusional

I guess you missed that part where Diaz smashed Condit 5 or 6 times against the cage? Condit would get his faced demolished if he stood and tried to trade with Diaz.
All the talk about how he’s a warrior is a load of bullshit. Diaz literally bitch slapped him and he still wouldn’t engage with him. Condit’s a pussy.

by GeeEm on Feb 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

im thinking you the one who is a little delusional

I guess you missed the part where Diaz got in Condits face before the fight, talked shit during the fight, slapped him, and held on to his leg way after the bell, only for Condit to stay composed and smart and not fall for his tricks. Condit is a warrior and fought smart. (not necessarily what we wanted to see out of that fight)But his record of 13 ko’s 13 subs and 2 decisions doesnt lie. I guess the only kind of warrior you know anything about is a keyboard warrior.
I guess you also missed the part where they announced Condit as the winner.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You just shitted on that guy

Good on you lol

Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF

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by Kalejohncox on Feb 6, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great Summary

I like what you said here. I still think Nick won, but it was more closely contested fight than Kos vs. Pierce.
4-1 is retarded.

To me, Nick won rounds 1, 2 and 5. Leg kicks are a secondary offense and shouldn’t count as much as a significant strike to the head or body (both of which Diaz led). The fact that all three judges gave round 1 to Condit (according to Cesar) is a scary omen of things to come if judging isn’t fixed, in my opinion.

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

2 judges gave jones the first round vs machida. This isn’t new in any way

by MrGrapplefan on Feb 7, 2012 2:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

no you are the delusional one

Diaz clearly snapped Carlos “track Star” Condit’s head back several times. I suggest watching these fights when you aren’t drunk.

by Mesonto on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

People like you are why I can't stand the majority of my fellow MMA fans.

So few are rational, unbiased, and understanding. So many are finicky, fair-weather, just bleed wannabe tough guys who live way too vicariously through their favorite fighters. They have no concept of the fact that the guys who become, and remain, top guys worry about and prepare for more than appeasing bloodthirsty fools.

by sadowolf on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa. just so you know

you might be my soul mate.

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by DH. on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Incorrect. True boxing is about making the other guy miss while you counter. I like your passion for MMA but no need to crap on boxing.

"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)

by OJR on Feb 6, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Fans that started to follow MMA as their first combat sport will always shit on boxers

Which makes no sense to me…

I never understood the need for the comparison…

by Starr788 on Feb 6, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bernard Hopkins FTW

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by ShivanTiger on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. They have rules in boxing to make it face to face (like martial arts and fighting). Boxers are masters of avoiding and punching in range, in the pocket.

by MrGrapplefan on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What geno said is retarded bc Nick doesn't even fight like that!

If he were talking about someone like Scott Smith than yea, but Nick? No way!

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick’s game is to move towards his opponent, take hits and look to land more than he takes.

The Stockton Zombie.

by Lynchman on Feb 6, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

“The Stockton Zombie” I like that!

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, comes off as a slightly more refined version of Nick’s in cage ragerant. It was a close fight, I scored it for Nick 48-47 but can see it being a Condit victory without much of an issue. Nick has some things to work on if he doesn’t want to lose this kind of fight in the future.

by Snake_Pliskan on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. nick and nate both get there cry baby attitudes from cesar. coaches should be seen and not herd just do your job and coach your fighter to adjust in a fight instead of crying like little girls

by 505mmacity on Feb 6, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nick and Nate have been in more controversial decisions than any other fighters I can think

If they want to complain about a decision, they can…they’re the ones training and fighting, not us

by Starr788 on Feb 6, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not more then Leonard Garcia

Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF

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by Kalejohncox on Feb 6, 2012 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Diaz and his camp are really looking like crybabies

Diaz lost. Get over it.

Making excuses just makes you look worse. Diaz couldn’t adapt when Condit wouldn’t allow him to dictate the pace of the fight. Great fighters adapt, and Diaz wasn’t able to.

Had the decision gone the other way, does anyone think Condit would be crying like Diaz is?

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by TFK on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Winner!

While I agree, in theory (about judges) Diaz did NOT “Clearly” win. It was close, Condit won…that’s all. This is way overkill.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

To me it seems as if both guys won in different ways.

It just depends what people find more important in winning a fight (the judges went with hits and damage), I say damage and doing what you want to do is more important than trying to get a guy to do what you want but fail to do so.

Now, count up your crimes!

by Cyclonejoker on Feb 6, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

I would be giving Condit grief for all his movement, if he hadn’t also connected with his strikes, and he connected more often. Either way, for these guys to act like we should start counting hanging chads, is a bit much.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Apart from the idea that Nick "clearly won the fight"... he didn't...

I pretty much agree with Cesar.

Condit knows it too. Not his style of fight, but he stated numerous times at press conference… he followed the gameplan that was given to him.

It's time to move on

by cl4im3r on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is would Carlos rather

a) have won the fight the way he did

b) lost the fight and have Caesar say that he respects Carlos Condit

by Amos14 on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright

by Yan117 on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But that ain’t NEVER gonna happen, so stop dreaming.

by GeeEm on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty certain Carlos could have used other tactics to win the fight...

faints, side steps.. I didn’t see any of that.

I saw someone throw spinning back elbows multiple times, miss multple times… than back peddle.

My point being… I’m all for gameplans… but Condit fought scared.

It's time to move on

by cl4im3r on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

While you attempted to shit on Condit...

You actually made a good point that can be used in an argument for Carlos. No, he didn’t stand in one spot and throw leather, but he did attempt and even land more complicated strikes. Flying knees, spinning elbows and back fists, and a sweet combo that saw Condit throw a body punch a leg kick and a switch head kick. While not every technically advanced strike connected, they did so enough to make a dent in the scorecards. And aside from a couple of flurries when Nick had Carlos up against the cage, he didn’t do much more than stalk and talk.

by KashAcous on Feb 7, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think they got over the loss, but HOW the loss was dictated to them. A UD win for someone who ran five rounds, 25 minutes is crazy. Condit didn’t offer anything and as f ar as ring control, Nick had it all night. Seriously, wtf? he got bitch slapped and didn’t do anything about it but run. I’ve seen dudes get killed for getting bitch slapped.

I also don’t think it makes much sense to have an interim champ sitting on the sidelines for nine months. Why award it if the weight division is STILL going to have an inactive champ?

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by killgore on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I share your fustrations (above)

It's time to move on

by cl4im3r on Feb 6, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Walking forward and getting tagged and countered repeatedly isnt ring control. Had Diaz cut Condit off when Condit tried to circle away from the cage I would agree with you that Diaz had ring control but he didnt. Every time Condit circled out, he threw a strike and retook the center of the cage. Thats not running. Thats intelligently getting out of a bad situation. As for the slap. I completely agree. Condit should have completely disregarded his gameplan and went balls to the wall after Diaz simply because Diaz slapped him in a fight. Its not like Condit didnt have 3 more rounds to punch and kick him in the face in retaliation.

by KieranK on Feb 6, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But he didn’t.

He ran any time Diaz tried to press the action. He’s a highly paid FIGHTER. If he wants to dance, I think Dancing with the Stars is still on which if he waits, he’ll be up against Machida and Edgar. I pay to watch two men fight, not one man dance as if getting hit is the worst thing in the world. Condit DID have three rounds to do something and all he did was run. If you consider kicking on the way out of a fight to be good strategy, then sadly, I have nothing to you. And fyi, I’m not even a Diaz fan. I think he’s bad for the sport, that being said, I’m not a Condit fan either. I watched the card with the hopes of watching Kos get ktfo. But regardless of what, imho Condit didn’t win the fight and for damn sure neither man won via UD.

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by killgore on Feb 6, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly agree

I do think edgar fights smart and is diff. than condit. edgar moves back a lot but usually after putting a combo together. so i give him credit on his game plan or style. ( do think he lost the first bj fight still) BUT carlos did run for the majority of the fight. no doubt about it he ran for the whole 1st and 2nd..a good portion of the 3rd and did good the 4th round and then lost the 5th.

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Every time Condit turned his back

He lost the equal footing on “ring control”

Yes, there were times where Nick, in the later rounds, failed to cut Condit off effectively. But there were a significant number of times where Condit literally ran away from Nick. Footwork is as much a part of striking as throwing a punch is, but footwork does not include turning your back and running away.

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He ran come off Fe landed more strikes and diaz hit nothing but air all night get over it

by 505mmacity on Feb 6, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

NICK DIAZ clearly LOST, i rewatched fight twice, Diaz won only second round…!!

by Dejan Kruljac on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Bullshit. Diaz won 1,2,3 and 5.

by GeeEm on Feb 6, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to be kidding

What fucking fight were you watching. There is no chance he won Rd 3

by Jye Pereira on Feb 6, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed 100%

I don’t know why people score all strikes the same.

One defensive kick to just distance you’re self from your opponent is not the same as one offensive punch to the face going forward, for example.

Most of Codit’s strikes in rd 1, 2 and most of 3 we’re defensive leg kicks to calfs, all of Diaz strikes are offensive and to the face or body.

It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious

by Norteco664 on Feb 6, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

They score them the same because they don’t know about fighting and judging a fight. Apparently, you do so that makes you in the minority. I totally understand people will see it one way or another, but when it comes to mma fans and fights, I was about as unbiased as them all as I said before, I’m not a fan of either fighter, but I know bullshit when I see it. That was bullshit judging.

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by killgore on Feb 6, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

no, carlos won 1,3,4 and 5.

fuck.

by Madrox on Feb 6, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos won 5th round by giving up his back?

Interesting math

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

your mum won by giving up her back

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick won the first and second for sure...and he made the ONLY attempt at a finish in the 5th

What I don’t get, is people will say Machida beat Jones in round 1 of their fight, although Jones “outstruck” Machida with leg kicks alone and only got caught with maybe 2 punches during that flurry….but those same people will say Nick clearly lost to Condit…

I think people dislike certain fighters and that dislike is the basis for most of their criticisms…there is absolutely no consistency with MMA refs, judges and fans…none

by Starr788 on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good points regarding Machida and Jones and consistency in genereal

I don’t think that it is only bias and dislike affecting criticism. There is also a factor of one not knowing their shit (i.e. I do not posses the knowledge to verify if the Machida-Jones info that you stated is indeed true). For me, there is simply not enough time in a day for me to be a MMA expert. I watched the 25 minutes once f’d-all-up and again the next day, and I won’t claim that Condit won rounds x,y and z. I just don’t know.

In the future, I would love to see the judging criteria re-jigged/balanced and have only past fighters judging. At the same time though, I think refs and judges have a job that breeds inconsistency. I think that the many different styles, approaches, tactics, speeds, angles, moves, etc. cause so much confusion. All I ask is that you get the obvious stuff correct; ball shots, fence grabbing, eye poking.

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by DH. on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

Every fighter that has lost a decision its because the judges don’t like them.That makes perfect sense..smh

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by letter19 on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Cesar is right. Let's just hope Nick doesn't retire.

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by freenow82 on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Cool story bro

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Love is blind

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

We already have a sport where two guys are expected to just stand in front of each other and throw punches

…boxing

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Wrong.

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by OJR on Feb 6, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody that says Diaz won are asking for Condit to say infront of Diaz and let him punch him

A lot of fighters are elusive, Machida, Edgar, Cruz, but these 3 don’t run or through baby leg kicks (mostly)

It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious

by Norteco664 on Feb 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It is one thing to stick up for your fighter and support him when he believes he won a fight, but questioning the validity of the sport is a bit much. It was close certainly, though I am of the opinion Carlos won. Aggression may count for something, but why should it if it leads you to receiving more than you give out. All other things being equal, the aggressor should win, but in this case all else was not equal.

Caesar should corner Leonard Garcia if he wants the judges to credit his fighters for hitting his opponent’s fist and feet with his face.

And enough of this "I am disappointed that my opponent (in this case, my fighter’s opponent) didn’t stand and fight like a man. We get it, you are tough because you wanted to brawl, and your opponent was a sissy for stategizing – being macho is so cool, I get it, but I guess people with that prerogative just have to accept that some fighters want to win rather than impress their opponent and his trainer with the size of his balls.

Great fight for Carlos.

by Amos14 on Feb 6, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt...

Cesar actually came off pretty delusional in this interview today. I can see where Nick gets his paranoia—he has a guy like Cesar telling him the judges don’t like him in Las Vegas and that’s why he loses decisions. Just a bunch of unobjective cry-babies.

Jackson’s interview afterward was quite a contrast—the guy always comes off as measured and intelligent.

by Otz on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t blame a fighter for not standing and “banging”, but realistically carlos didn’t even fight at all for the first 2 rounds. and i am not a fan or hater of either guy. but when i see a fighter have to chase someone for the first half of the fight and than win the 5th round i got to give it to diaz.

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the judges don't like Nick

It must be true because Cesar said so.

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Whoa whoa! No need for the filthy language there. This is a family forum.

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

by d*locc on Feb 6, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I Thot it was fighting not running.

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

by d*locc on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

guetto people...Diaz should go to a backyard with Kimbo and fight like monkeys. He doesn't have to show up to a post press conference

Then he cries for money but he doesn’t want people to film him when that is necessary to promote the fight so HE CAN MAKE MONEY!

by Tero on Feb 6, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Gr8 post!!!

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

by d*locc on Feb 6, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Waaah!!!

Knew this was coming

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Piss off Cesar.

Nick, go back to crushing cans and bloated lws.

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by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

tired of Cesar Gracie DRAMA QUEEN CAMP. They always complain. There's is a Sport Called BOXING, where two ignorants stand in front of each other and throw punches.

Let’s not forget about how UN-professional Diaz was not going to the post press conference because DRAMA DIAZ has another Tantrum

by Tero on Feb 6, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You're a fucking goof...

Don’t you ever disrespect the sweet science like that again…I don’t know what fights you watch, but top level boxers definitely do not just stand in front of each other and throw punches…

And how often do you see the loser at the post fight conference? Were any other losers there that night?

Everything you said was ignorant

by Starr788 on Feb 6, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol. This guys been throwing a tantrum this whole thread bitching about Diaz throwing tantrums.

He reminds of the world of Warcraft kid in tosh. O.

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

by d*locc on Feb 6, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO at the first part!!!

The second part I have no idea about, but I’m sure it was funny too so what the hell, LMAO at that also! hahaha

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos clearly won the fight

Pointless rematch because Carlos would just beat Nick even worse if they fought again

by Jrridermd on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

In compliance with the new mmamania guidelines...Please visualize a semi humorous photo of Cesar Crying like a baby here

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

ha.

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Great, had to wait two whole days to hear Ceasar bitch n moan. So sick of this motherfucker

by broncos12405 on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Cesar is 100% right

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

Fighters are getting too cute with the way they approach a fight and they way they approach the rules. Yes Carlos won on my cards too but mainly by running away and that was a bitch move. It wasnt even circling out and resetting it was literally running away…

Bitch move Condit. I used to like you but you’re now going to be another guy fighting not to lose… Thats not what he did against Stun Gun and it aint what he did against Hardy. He bitched out from Diaz. Even got bitch slapped.

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

-100

This must be the age of MMA where you must bitch and whine if you don’t win. And don’t forget stomping out of the ring while firing out a few obscenities and acting like a child at the same time. I blame this on BJ Penn.

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s too bad machoism still influences people’s view of fights so strongly

by Amos14 on Feb 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

"Bitched out from Diaz"

Diaz sabotaged fights with GSP and Hieron. Diaz threatened to go to boxing until he got his way.

by Patrick L. Stumberg on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+100

Glad this douchebag is leaving MMA…..with crap like that, why bother keeping him around. Go to your local hick town and you can find a guy like this who loves to brawl with the same attitude as Diaz.

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

what's really ironic....

is that he was completely out-boxed by Condit.

Watch out Jake, you think you're in a Dream, but you're heading for a Nightmare.....

by kg12 on Feb 6, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

+1. I'd rather see more fighters winning on points nowadays.

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

by d*locc on Feb 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And more running

We need way more running in MMA

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah man!

motherfucker got confused when he heard Diaz was into triathlons and shit.

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

just goes to show how Diaz is second class in anything he competes in

dude runs all the time so he should have been able to keep up to Condit

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

didnt realise it was a race...

besides… he runs forwards not backwards buddy

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get that

I was watching Diaz standing in the middle of the octagon, taunting Condit for sometime actually. So, I’m yelling at the screen for him to attack. I guess people are always going to see it differently, but I thought Diaz put too much hope in the fact that Condit would just stand there. Diaz could have attacked him, but instead he was standing around holding his stomach and talking.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Literally running away?

Tell that to Diaz’s face and the fight stats.

by Otz on Feb 6, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz would agree

And if the fight stats contained anything about steps backward vs steps forward they would also agree. just sayin…

That means running away

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Welch. Your opinion dosent matter

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Diaz won the fight

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Grow a pair

Ceasar is always running his mouth into the ground.

And I’d love to see Diaz making millions and millions in boxing. Would never happen.

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by *Californication* on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

All I hear is...

“I’m too incompetent of a coach to teach my fighter how to cut off the cage or adjust his strategy mid-fight. Therefore, I’m blaming everyone but myself”.

by Patrick L. Stumberg on Feb 6, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

This ^ all fucking day.

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Agreed.

At what point did Diaz think that Carlos would finally say “fuck it, let’s brawl”? A couple of half hearted attempts at a take down don’t count as adjusting your game plan.

by KashAcous on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Perhaps Caesar should have considered a gameplan for the possible outcome that Condit would not stand still and swing for the whole fight. I’m thinking he should consider that next time, rather than saying he doesn’t like it when Greg Jackson fighters thwart his master plan of threatening to express disappointment towards fighters who circle.

by Amos14 on Feb 6, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Overrated?

"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)

by OJR on Feb 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

IF anyone is going to argue that MMA judging

is not flawed then clearly they have not watched nearly enough MMA. Ceaser’s right, and judges should be carefully selected….

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by AhQueeNo on Feb 6, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

The judges fucked up all night

Martinez, Cacares, Pierce won. So it’s no surprise they got the Diaz fight wrong, too.

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit should be stripped of the title and probably cut for his performance. It wasn’t technical, it wasn’t a great gameplan and it required no skill. Do your job and fight and don’t run, homie. Go train with Kalib Starns, kid.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ignore her. She's still butthurt over shogun.

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

flagged for trolling

Upcoming sig bet with OilCan - Diaz/Condit
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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

im ready! assuming the position.

I lost to Cruz Jackson. He’s the best. I padded his record and just a can. I talk shit to try and get replies when In reality I still play the original Halo on original XBOX like a religiously. I’m so totally awesome and straight and I act gay on a blog only because I’m the second loneliest mother fucker on Mania. First goes to Stallion. I want Shivan to lose to Cruz and Diaz to show how overrated he is. My favorite fighter is Josh Burkman. Thank You.

"i oilcheck need to take a reality check.What an imbecile i am to even think of going up against Scott1 with his perfect 1 and 0 sig record.I am already known as Manias biggest scumbag now i’ve got the moniker of a loser as well!TUT TUT SMH!!!"

I played 8=Danago in words with friends and he quit just like shogun.

by OilCheck on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering where you were - here it is

I’m almost complete with my transformation…once they attach that donkey schlong on me, I will be able to satisfy myself like danago does all day long and change my name to Buck Angel II

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Two retarded comments in a row

What a rare occurrence on mania …

bloody queef bubble

by wooly shambler on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Stripped of the title?

It was a very good gameplan. It’s called stick and move. Kalib Starnes didn’t outstrike Nate Quarry.

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by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It’s called ‘tap the front leg and run’. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's hard to manage someone with no actual talent

And i’m not a bad manager haha

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Spoken like an ignorant fool

Who’s never taken a proper leg kick in his life. You sir don’t know what you’re talking about.

by Jye Pereira on Feb 6, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve never taken a leg kick? What does that have to do with anything? He was moving backwards, those weren’t Shogun like leg kicks. Throwing leg kicks while moving backwards = less power, that’s common physics kid. Supporting a boring style and acting like you know what you’re talking about in attempt for people to take you seriously kid? Are you that much of a failure IRL? How’s that tap out shirt holding up, the extra small one?

I train with Shogun, I take heavier leg kicks than the ones Condit was dishing out, chump. You’re not qualified to respond to my post, you’re not on my level. Come back in 40 years kid.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

flagged again

trolling is not allowed on MMA. Second flag in one thread.

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

still fun to flag him for this crap

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You've trained with most famous fighters, right?

You couldn’t take one of my leg kicks haha. where do you train with Shogun, at your mom’s house? Condit does not have a boring style, he’s a finisher and always brings it. Diaz is tough and took his shots but Condit won that fight. No different than the way Frankie Edgar fights

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lesnars Striking Coach, hit me your email and let’s sling. Stop trying to make a name for yourself off of my success, build your kid. I’m a seasoned veteran, who are you? Join the que kid, believe me I get in fights everyday, it’s NOTHING. I knock posers like you out for fun, it’s a hobby for me. My little finger holds more power than Condits leg taps, my legs are made of steel. Come see me kid.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 6, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who is this guy?

So you train with Shogun hey.. No wonder he’s been doing so shit can you please stop holding him back and let him get some real training partners.

by Jye Pereira on Feb 6, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha I'm no hot shot but I'm no poser either. I accept your challenge.

Fly me from New Mexico to whatever bridge you fellate bums under and I’ll whoop that ass anyday! :D

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Send your private jet

I won’t hold my breath

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tap the front leg and run huh?

I know plenty about this actually. Love your ignorance though

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by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

for once i love you.

And i agree whole heartedly. Condit used to be one of my faves to watch – this just showed he is “evolving” along with cunts like GSP who are evolving the sport into something that is becomign more and more of a chess match.

In the future you will see less effectvie punches and more scoring punches. its just the way its going.

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You're making it sound like these fights are glorified sparring sessions.

I don’t think Condit was trying to throw scoring punches; he throws to hurt man. Diaz just has an ability to take punishment.

Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io

by danago's manager on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nah he was backpeddling most of the time. He threw punches to huhrt Dan Hardy,

But hurting Diaz was not on his mind. Winning the fight and sticking to Jackson’s stick and RUN gameplan was all that was on his mind. Not losing was all that was on his mind AND YOU KNOW THAT SHIT

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

glad to see that Diaz had a response for that

oh, that’s right, he didn’t because he doesn’t have a corner that can help him out unless it involves velcro shoes

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm... anyone talking to you punk?

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no need to get all skinhead on me

you made a point and I countered it

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sound like Carlos Condit right there...

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

almost

except that Diaz was expecting Condit to make the point so that he could counter

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

alright make a point...

Im waiting im waiting… No wait im gonna slap you… still waiting – oh shit i lost…

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

and then say fuck this shit and quit

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But i agree with the words: "Im tired of playing this game"

Or whatever the exact quote was…. Like it or hate it this fight sport is becoming more of a game people play… Not a fight anymore – People want to win a fight and people want to not lose a game… like football…

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

GSP is fighter that comes to mind who played the points game for me…..you look back to MMA pre-2007 and most fighters fought to win via KO or sub and now the sport has changed to a points match in some cases. Sure GJ had a lot to do with this but each fighter should come in with a plan now instead of standing in front of someone just banging like Wand. It is a bit disappointing in some cases now and events like UFC 140 bring back flashes of what it used to be like.

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah exactly right about 140

I am missing that sense of excitement it is becoming more apparent that when the big fights and the big names are on the card is going to be more lacklustre than if it were to have all no names…

Just sayin… lol

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Why didn't Nick just square up in the middle of the cage with Carlos and trade

He was losing the exchanges, he was just trying to punch condit against the cage, see who can take the most damage. Street fight not sport fighting. Carlos controlled the octagon, Nick just plodded forward trying to bully him. I don’t see the controversy other than people blinded by emotions

by Jrridermd on Feb 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

I thought Diaz was the tentative one for much of the fight. Yes he was walking forward, but he rarley committed to actually attacking Condit. Yes, Condit was in and out, but HE CONNECTED. Diaz almost never attacked unless Condit was backed all the way against the fence. Great, that was his game plan. Except it didn’t work. Had he included a plan that allowed him to actually connect or even strike, while also standing in the middle of the octagon, we might be having a different conversation.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my point, I think people should be more disappointed in Nicks performance, if he wanted a fair dogfight why didn’t he keep it in the middle of the cage. He wanted carlos to trade only with his back against the fence.

by Jrridermd on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Now, if we can just convince Cesar of this

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, this is never going to end

Diaz lost, oh fucking well. Get over it. Im sure he will fight again. Everyone just needs to quit whining about it.

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I made you a counter offer in the other thread

Did you read it?

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Double or nothing

If Ellenberger beats Sanchez then we’ll nullify the other bet.

HOWEVER, if Sanchez beats Ellenberger I’ll take a two month sig and picture punishment instead of the two weeks we agreed.

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah.. thats ridiculous

You lost but you didnt want to hold up your end of the deal. Im not making another deal with you

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats just your opinion

Its all good man… do what you want. We are no longer in a bet and we wont be again… Have fun on mania man

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what, give me the sig

I’ll repay the favour in spades after the Ellenberger fight. If you refuse to give me the sig then it’s not my problem.

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

update your fanpost so everyone sees this

and wear that shit with pride for as long as the wager said.

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by Ulf Murphy on Feb 6, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

dems da rules around dese parts

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Enzo...

Just lighten up. Didn’t you hear that all sportsbook sites that took bets on the fight are returning the losses on Diaz to the bet placers?

Besides, the validity of a bet should always be decided by the person with the most vested interest; the loser who must pay is always the best judge of the situation.

Ergo, your theory that you won the bet because the fighter you picked to win won the fight is completely far fetched and fool hearty. If anything you should be forced to act as the loser because the loser said so.

Sometimes an outside perspective helps so I am glad to provide some much needed mediation.

by Amos14 on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

bullshit

proof?

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 6, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like he's kidding.

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's an outside perspective for you

Youre wrong, a bet is a bet. Your guy officially loses, you pay up. I lost money on shogun machida 1, and I still paid.

by Egads on Feb 6, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

What a loser move. You are worse than any bad judge. Pay your bet.

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by freenow82 on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Mind your own business

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Unambig, I'm surprised at you.

I don’t know you all that well, but just from reading ur stuff I have to say that I am very surprised.

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

its not really the way a maniac would hold his pride is it?

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

Pro sig bet record: 3-4-0

by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not, but do you agree? He doesn't seem like he would do that. Or is it just me?

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno.... but some faggot just sent me a link to a BE article so while trying to read it around the ban that comes up in my screen everytime i go there

I noticed little tkotom on there commenting away like a little BE righteous fucker…. im getting surprised by everything today

no unambig has usually been much classier than this shit though

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL That's funny!

I fn loath that site and a true Maniac would!

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah well... I go when a guy from my work sends me any of their better articles

But im proud of wearing my banhammer from them everytime i go to their site… i never press “ok” on that dialogue box because i just wont accept the faggots banned me lol

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

Pro sig bet record: 3-4-0

by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA!!!

When we first started our wars with them I went over there to see what was up and holy shit are they fd up! You can’t disagree with anything that they write about, really weird!

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree - your banned...

Simple ruels for simple people

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

lol True that

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I got to 8 posts before I was banned

and it was exactly as you stated, for disagreeing with a mod and I used facts to support my convo

"I'm gonna be the champion till the day I decide not to be. And that isn't any time soon." - Brock Lesnar at UFC 106

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Shock horror.... YOU shall NEVER use evidence to back up a post disagreeing with a mod...

It’s in the first page of their handbook… i opened it read that and shut the fucker, burnt it and shat on the ashes

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Just so you know

If you would have won, in any way, shape, or form. My sig would say what you wanted it to say

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz did win

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you should take a look at the record book then

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But this fight was clear he won

thats why everyone scored it differently and it was a complete toss up as to who was doing more damage….yeah…very clear Cesar

by Newfie3 on Feb 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

they don’t like his attitude.

“they” being the majority of people

by Newfie3 on Feb 6, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

I think they think he is disrespectful

he is.

okay..ill stop now. Cesar is a fuckin idiot

by Newfie3 on Feb 6, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

haha it was all gold imo

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

FUCK is this annoying

Diaz didn’t fucking win. Drop it. Get over it. Its not even close to fucking robbery. He was outstruck and was too busy waving his shitty gangly arms around rather than using them. He lost because of it. He’s a moron and if there’s such a huge cry out from the fans its because they’re WWE/Hockey fight fans.

Learn the fucking sport already.

FUCK.

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by daniel worby on Feb 6, 2012 5:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Well done Mr. Worbs

Its just plain annoying

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You complete me...

No homo.

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 6:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Do not demean hockey fight fans like that...

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by Ulf Murphy on Feb 6, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Im officially retiring from being a UFC (MMA) fan/viewer until there is a judging change.

I will then reevaluate the sport at that time, if there is such a change in the judging.

Its too bad that a sport can be ruined by the officiating, but its happened in other sports too. Basktball has had known cheating ref’s and has been hurt from it. MMA is no different. Eppecially with its connections to Las Vegas and all the gambling and illegal stuff taking place behind closed doors.

Huge Black Eye on the Sport.

by Jesse Taylor on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Cya

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Want my mailing address?

by Jesse Taylor on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes please

I’ll mail you the whole box… Sounds like you need it.

by Jye Pereira on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA judging does have problems.

But to use the Diaz/ Condit fight as an example of that is just wrong.

Now, count up your crimes!

by Cyclonejoker on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the straw that broke the camels back

This one wasnt as bad as others, but eventually as a fan you have to stand up and say enough is enough. Im going to vote with my pocket and not provide another dollar to UFC until they themselves pressure a change from the athletic commission.

by Jesse Taylor on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Then quit posting on an mma site

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 6, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The fight that did it for me was Brilz/Nog!

That was fn HORRIBLE!!! Brilz no doubt won that fight! Nog’s were a bunch of fn baby’s that night! they wouldn’t even shake Brilz hand until they found out that they won. Before that they thought that Lil Nog lost and they were pissed. Hated them ever since and nothing that the judges can do now will surprise me.

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was waiting around for some meaningful conversation before I left

But that obviously impossible with the majority of you roid monkeys.

by Jesse Taylor on Feb 6, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing here

you coming back when BJ and Diaz come back to the UFC?

Upcoming sig bet with OilCan - Diaz/Condit
Note to self - don't bet against Diaz but I just can't help doing it....again

by hairybumcrack on Feb 6, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesse

Just as many fans (if not more) would be making the same argument had Diaz won. So, (imo) I just don’t see this as that controversial of a fight. I agree judging is in need of change, but when just as many fans see it the other way, it has to be about more than judging. It must also be about the way fans see the sport.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You know at first I was pissed and everything and I’ve debated constantly about this but now i see it doesn’t matter. No matter what the decision was made and condit won the fight and the people that don’t like Nick or anyone around him just loved to see him lose and had to just rub it in. To me it was kind of when fedor kept losing, people just wanted to hear themselves sound right about something and i can understand that. Oh well condit is the interim champ that performance to me takes nothing away from diaz. It just surprises me how people accept that style of fighting call it smart, running, being a coward call it whatever but the bottom line is this is a contact sport if you don’t feel like you want to get hit, taken down, grinded on, or cheap shotted then just don’t fight. I don’t like the Jackson camp their style isn’t pleasing to me. I like how Brazilians fight they are very technical but they fight to their strength and NOT their opponents weakness and this whole thing about guys humping guys to victory is getting old when you got Jds and Aldo who are pure strikers and are defending td after td and then knocking dudes out. Out of all what happened I felt cheated but now I’m over it. Diaz is still my favorite welterweight and probably always will be. Good luck to condit I hope he cones back as NBK and destroys his next opponent and as for diaz there is no need to retire unless you just can’t handle the fact that guys don’t always want to strike. And I didn’t expect for condit to stand in front of diaz and just strike I expected a technical stand up fight and it didn’t happen. And oh diaz isn’t a boxer that’s a bad misinterpretation. He has great hands but everything else is missing

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I believe the fight metrics say Diaz was out struck 3 to 2?

BTW: Maybe the ref should start taking a point for the after the bell BS. Point deduction for taunting and not engaging. Point for just being an A$$.

by Coltraine on Feb 6, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I can understand after the bell, the whole foot grabbing was out of line. But taunting your opponent while he is backing up is fine in my book. Now if condit was taunting while he was basically avoiding the fight then that would have been stupid. If someone is trying to avoid the fight and taunting that’s just ridiculous but if someone is bringing the fight putting pressure and taunting because his opponent seems scared I see nothing wrong with that

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not so for everyone

Of course you have no reason to believe me, but I went in leaning Diaz, cause I really wanted to see him beat up GSP. I just saw the fight as a win for Condit, plain and simple

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually felt it was draw there wasn’t enough of what anyone did to say there was a clear winner. I didn’t see a 49-46 for wither guy

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hear, but I thought Condit won a close one

but it could work.
Say in a 3 rnd fight, they call the first rnd a draw, then split the next two. They could allow the judge to call the fight as they see it from there. Simply, who won the fight? There are many times when a guy might barely outpoint the first two rounds, but then lose the third badly, (maybe not bad enough for a 10-8 rnd though)
He ends up on the ground, getting beat, plenty of damage. If we had walked up on that exact same fight in an alley, we wouldn’t ask how the guy bleeding on the ground did the first few minutes. We would say that guy just got his a** kicked

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are saying it only matters how you end in a fight and NOT what you did in the beggining and during? I kind of het what you mean though. I’ll say this I felt more robbed out a potential foty then I did about diaz getting robbed. I still say diaz won that fight but the decision has been made. I’m just more pissed that people are happy with this “smart gameplan” shit that the ufc is turning into. I’m not asking for two dudes to fight like they are drunk fighting over a chick but I expect guys to act like martial artist and fight and want to be the best and that’s what’s not going on anymore. People say gsp is the best in the world and i don’t see why. He may win but to be called the best doesn’t mean just winning its how you do it. Gsp isn’t the only guy but his situation bewilders me more than anyone because people call him the best fighter in the world and i just don’t see how he is

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

That’s what most people say but how does he do it? By fighting towards how they are most weak, if it was a street fight then yeah you have to protect your life but this isn’t a street fight there are rules that can protect you so you have some room to try new things. To ME the best fighter in the world is someone who destroy their opponents and no matter what their opponents do even if they may have the upper hand the best still find a way to win by fighting and NOT worrying about losing like gsp. Let me give you examples of guy who best fit the description of how i feel the best fighter is…fedor, he goes in to destroy his opponent he stands with strikers and grappled with grapplers. Jds, he pretty much has his way with his opponents, Anderson silva probably sums it up of who is the best, he came back from for sure defeat and completely ripped cheals heart out. Sonnen just hides behind his words but its obvious the guy nlkbows he can’t hurt silva. Aldo, Aldo doesn’t play anything safe fighting is his life. Nick fucking diaz the guy comes to fight and if you take him down he is fine with it because he is comfortable there. He as well strikes with strikers and wins when he is supposed to lose. Gsp doesn’t do that at all, he takes down and just relaxes into a victory against guys that will beat him standing and he doesn’t even test himself on the ground against guys who can sub him or just plain out wrestle him. He doesn’t test his skills he is so afraid of losing that belt he lost Hist fighting spirit I call him an athlete not a fighter

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No no, not at all

More so that some rounds do actually end up with no one really getting the better of the other man. Seems like there should be a mechanism to account for that. I actually think it might challenge guys to think about playing it safe.

"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"

by Jrandolph on Feb 6, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit missed every spinning backfist attempt and fell on his ass trying to get fancy. Watch how many times Condit’s head snaps back during the fight. Fuckin Rogan was calling combos that were ficticious-ones Condit wasn’t even landing. UFC is turning more and more into the WWE every day. Now, I know why Dana White visited Vince Macmahon at Titan Towers…

by GeeEm on Feb 6, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Finally someone says the truth in what rogan was saying. I kept saying what the Hell is he looking at because condit didn’t land shit and to be so bias against someone who A. Is your friend B. Who promotes your internet shit after he fights. Rogan is a sell out since thrust whole fox deal started. And its a shame because his conmentating was one of the dew things I liked about the ufc

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly! Rogan and Goldberg say what they’re supposed to. It’s no secret Diaz doesn’t like faking it for the media like so many other puppets in the UFC so he can’t be the well spoken face for the welterweight division, hence the push with Condit. Diaz won’t kiss the medias ass but Condit’s nose is a brown as it gets. I challenge anyone to re-watch the fight and turn down the volume. Then, watch how many times Condit’s head snaps back. Watch him run like Carlos ‘Gump’ Condit. Watch him fall trying to get fancy. Condit won ONE fuckin round and that is all. People, wake the fuck up and realize what’s actually going on.

by GeeEm on Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea i get you. I’m a fan of both dudes bit I must say I lost a little respect for condit but its the first time he has done that so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he will fight like that again. But man take it from me I’ve been saying how i feel since right after thos fight and the haters are still going to hate, they called the fight “smart fighting” when has fighting ever been smart? It just sickens me how these fans accept what they are seeing coming out of the Jackson camp. Now not all guys from his camp fight “smart” some actually bring it but the vast majority just fight to not lose and don’t care what people think when they clearly don’t want to engage in a fight. Now like I’ve been saying i don’t want to see a fight play out like a bar fight, sometimes its cool, but i want to see guys fight. Carlos wasn’t angling off or using head movement he was really back peddeling and when he got jit he would run. I just want to see guys be martial artistist and NOT supplement using athletes who think they can fight because they have abs and big arms.

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post!!!

I can’t comment on Diaz/Condit bc I didn’t get to see it, kinda glad I didn’t know! I was sure that these two would both go at it, guess I was wrong! I wanted either one to beat GSP and be the champ so we could have someone on top that wasn’t affraid of losing and put on great shows! I don’t care for guys brawling, never did. But to watch guys fight not to lose (most of Jackson’s fighters) just sux!!! That isn’t fighting imo and takes away from the sport…… A LOT!!! Wish they got finishing bonuses, that would def help some. I hope Diaz doesn’t retire (doubt he will) because he has a lot left in him and can still get that belt. I want to see how he does against a wrestler, KOS, Ellenburger (imo he will get the belt at some point) Fitch, etc…. I just want to see if he can beat them becasue he was never able too, but that was a long time ago. If GSP is out a lot longer than I hope these two rematch. Not the biggest fan in many rematches, but it sounds like these two really should. If not and they both have to fight someone else I rerally hope that Ellenburger gets a shot for a number one contender!

Staff shouldn't be aloud to ban members that have been around longer than they have! Especially just because they were butt hurt! Long live Kevin!!!

by MBOW on Feb 6, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Big ups

This guy GETS it!!!

+1000

Thank fuck fomr getting rid of Choro's sig finally... Fuck you Choro and Fuck Brock

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

-1

You and zesoclown need to wake the fuck up.

Nicks head was whipping back just as much as condits was. Add in the body and leg strikes, Condit easily.

I bet on diaz, lost 40 bucks, but I could clearly see Diaz lost. I gave the dude the money halfway thru the 5th round, at that point it didn’t matter what Diaz did, he was gonna lose unless he finished the fight. It was clear as day.

I know because you probably had money on Diaz or was gauranteeing a Diaz victory and didn’t wanna look stupid after the fight that it’s hard for you to accept it but he lost. It was an easy decision. No I didn’t think Condit won all round or won 4 rounds. It was 48-47 Condit. No question.

If you’re questioning this fight, you don’t understand MMA.

Have you ever trained? Been coached? Fought? Anything with MMA? it’s stand-up 101, when your back is to the cage, pump your hips and circle out. It’s common sense! Condit wasn’t stupid. Look at all the Diaz highlights. Outside of lawler, whenever he’s messing someone up he’s got them up against the cage whaling on them with nowhere to go and in reach to hit his opponent while still bein able yo counter. So because Condit didn’t wanna have his back up against the cage and get in a brawl he’s a pussy? Laughable. It shows how retarded all you guys are and sound.

Condit is a point fighter all of a sudden because of One fight where he was strictly a counter puncher? Ludicrous. He has 2 decisions. Diaz has 5.

Gaurantee condits next fight he is going for the kill. It’s hard to go for the kill with a guy that just wants your back to the cage so he can whale on you. Nick corner should of adjusted their gameplan to cut off the cage and attack but he didn’t. Don’t blame Condit. Nicks corner dropped the ball. We saw shogun cut the cage off against machida and gently what he wanted.

A couple of times nick was in perfect position to cut the cage off and he hesitated, didn’t throw. Nick lost. Wake up!

People who don’t get it, don’t know that they don’t get it. You and zesoclown just don’t get it. We understand.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn.. I have no idea who you are

But that was a good post

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 7, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

i was trying to figure out what looked so different about nick recently

and it appears he trimmed/shaped his eyebrows…i know thats big amongst feminine guys,guidos, and young men in japan, but nick didnt strike me as the type of guy who gave a damn about his eyebrows

"eat shit." billions of flies cant be wrong

by salamagogo on Feb 6, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

???

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 6:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm a fan of the both Diaz boys fight, but good for Carlos that he got it done.

But, I do feel like this needs to mentioned. Sorry if someone else has said this before. If Diego Sanchez can win that decision after getting absolutely wailed on my Martin Kampmann, when Kampmann clearly smashed Diego’s face to bits while backing up the whole time. I find it hard to understand that under the same scoring system Carlos can win while obviously running and not doing anywhere near as much damage.

Anyway, resume the bickering.

by spaceben on Feb 6, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

I like both fighters and thought Condit won this fight. But I hated the way he fought. Now I’m sure some of you may have liked this fight, I really didn’t. And I’m 99% sure that Condit has never fought like this before, and if he had he wouldn’t have me or many others as his fans.

But, I do have a problem with the way he hyped this fight. Now, I don’t expect a fighter to come out and explain his game plan, but I do expect a PPV fight to be entertaining.

Wish the UFC would change what the judges look for. This would help make fights more entertaining. This is done by looking at damage, more then accumulation of take downs or leg kicks(more Pride rules style then boxing)

by MJACTIVIST on Feb 6, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with mostly everything you said other than condit winning. There were about 12 fighters that I’ve seen already say they had diaz winning and only two fighters say condit won and condit was one of the two. Now when people that actually are in this sport disagree with the judging there is a problem and this isn’t the first time this has happened. We need retired fighters to be judges or just fighters in general. I wouldn’t want bas as a judge only because he can be bias bit if he wasn’t so bias I think he would be a great judge

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There's always going to be a problem with judges and refs. look at all other sports I think its rediculous to think it will change. No matter what happens someone is always going to be unhappy.

After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...

by ClinchKing on Feb 6, 2012 7:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yea you right

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

According to Nick, he has never lost

Every decision loss has been BS, the Noons fight should not have been stopped.

Everyone is against him and he always gets screwed.

by Lynchman on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

you can also post a bunch of still photos showing Nick lighting up Condit too

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 6, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nick's best offense of the night:

Cuz pushing forward and taking shots in winning, right guys? Ok here’s one

by PotOfGold on Feb 6, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cherrypicking

Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century

by unambig on Feb 6, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You put up 4 pictures of condit hitting diaz well the sad thing is you didn’t have any other pictures to put up because condit was running the rest of the fight.

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1000

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 6, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There is way more pics of Carlos tagging Nick than the other way...

What offense did Nick show other than plodding forward, and pitter patter punches? Carlos had the much harder shots, Nick Diaz has an iron chin.

I’m not saying Carlos clearly won 100%, it was a close fight. But you guys saying it was a robbery is dumb as fuck

by PotOfGold on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

For one I actually saw the fight a draw more than anything and no man according to those stupid as numbers condit threw about 30 more punches than diaz and according to those same numbers 70 of those strikes were leg kicks and watching the fight condit threw about 3 power kicks. No way in Hell did condit have more power shots. I said it before the fight condit can heat nick standing that’s what’s disappointing here. In the post fight press conference said of he would have fought diaz he would have lost…what the duck does that tell you/? The guy said it himself!! He was scared to fight Nick and obviously his coaches didn’t believe in him. I thought condit would ko Nick and that’s probably what Nick expected to happen if he lost he respected the shit out of condit and i think that was his mistake actually being respectful and playing the media game shit. Nick diaz all day! All who don’t agree can rub vaseline on each other like the Jackson camp does

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Condit would have stood toe to toe with him,

Nick would have beat his ass! I know that without a doubt. Carlos would have look like BJ or Cowboy.

But he didn’t, he had a smart gameplan to not get trapped and unloaded on. (yes it was safe) but he stuck to it and didnt get disgruntled at the taunting and other bs.

Are you sad cuz Carlos wouldnt stand and trade? Everyone knows he would have gotten beat down if he did that. That’s what Nick Diaz does, its what he is best at, and that was his gameplan (just like every fight) Nick did nothing to win the fight except move forward.
Carlos was smart enough to stay out of the way, and was more active than Diaz. That’s how you beat Nick Diaz, by not getting pushed on the fence and wailed on..
you’ve been at it hard since sat. night zeso, you need to take a break. Why are you so butthurt?

by PotOfGold on Feb 6, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you're

ALMOST not quite but ALMOST as sooky as nick diaz why dont ya go cuddle his nutsack to sleep buddy he lost easily IMO

by PabloisChopps on Feb 6, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet he managed to out strike Nick.

by Lynchman on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

All of those pics are from rd 4 and 5

Round 4 Condit clearly won and he was winning by a little bit, but Diaz won the round with the takedown and 1.5 subattempts

Diaz won 1, 2, 3 (in my opinion, but its debatatable) and 5

It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious

by Norteco664 on Feb 6, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i am mad

you should put a round to go with them pics. there is no doubt condit hit diaz with some good shots, but that was mostly in the 4th round. prolly where ur pics come from. i mean you prolly couldn’t get any pictures of the first few rounds bc carlos was hiding behind the photographer. i mean the first 3 he was running away the hole time, and even with that i recall condits head bouncing of the top of the cage quite a few times when diaz had him trying to cover up along the cage.

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The first one is a glancing blow, barely skims off his left side

The second didn’t even connect, that’s Diaz actually retracting his face muscles back out of the way, kinda Jim Carey / matrix like. The third one Diaz is pushing condit backwards with his face, see how unbalanced condit is.

by Egads on Feb 6, 2012 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

nick vs condit fight

i agree with cesar gracie.this is some bullshit. whats the definition of a fight. the stupid condit was just running all night and u give him a decision for that?im done spending ma fuckin money on all this shit.thas why i dont watch GSP fights.i wont even spend a dime on his fights. NICK im down with u.if it aint nick diaz then fuck mma

by oracleman on Feb 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

+1 Carlos Condit the natural born sprinter coming to a track meet near you

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

haha

if they rematch , for the weigh ins diaz should get a natural born sprinter t shirt made with carlos’s head on someone crossing the finishline.

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup I’m not going to buy the ppvs like I have been. Judges really love the Jackson camp they are robbing real fighters. Gsp in more street fights than Nick that’s fucking funny thats why gsp said he was scared that he was going to have to fight Nick o. The streets of Vegas

by zesotheclown on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

gsp is affraid

i like how i never hear gsp say a lot about diaz, that until he found out that he isn’t fighting diaz…now gsp is saying ..oh i really wanted that fight…

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ceaser is right, Nick won that fight

he won rounds 1,2 and 5 period and was the agressor the entire fight. I like Condit but he lost a close fight no matter what the judges said. Rematch book it Dana

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by biggant on Feb 6, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree

Not about the rematch, but I think Nick won. I’d like to see Carlos defend the title against someoen else, and give Nick a chance to face off with Kos/Fitch or the winner of Diego/Ellenberger.

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wah Wah

I was pulling for Nick. I wanted to see GSP vs Diaz fight so bad. But I was disappointed at the end of the fight because I was sure Condit won. I am tired of Nick, I am okay if he never wants to fight MMA again, I cant handle this crying BS. You lost, man up and accept it. The post fight comments were a disgrace and a joke. what’s this “I lost, so I’m not gonna play with you guys anymore”? If you dont like the sport then leave.
He is a great fighter but this drama is boring.

by Assafkip on Feb 6, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

don't worry that fight will happen and yes Nick brings the drama but that's what makes him different and interesting

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 6, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Try slapping GSP with a broken orbital

I wanted GSP to come in the cage and say to Diaz “I am not impressed with your performance”. Too bad he wasted that gem on Hughes… It would have been perfect as his performance was not impressive at all.

by Assafkip on Feb 6, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

My new gameplan to win decision in the UFC

Poke your opponent with your finger as many times as possible, because amount of strikes are the only thing that counts, not damage or intent, if you can through baby leg kicks to the calfs even better, and run when the guy you’re fighting tries to punch you, at least for 3 rounds in championship fights

I bet with that the judges and fight metric will say that you won.

It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious

by Norteco664 on Feb 6, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

just re watched the fight, originaly watching live i thought condit won, and i really thought he won pretty unanimously but re watching it i can see diaz should have got the first 2 and maybe the fifth

by steady2wheels on Feb 6, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah and you fucked it! lol

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha was that the plan?

i really thought they stopped it at 209 comments

by Newfie3 on Feb 6, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

haha no - just a crazy little coincidence that only you noticed, decided to write about it then the moment was gone!

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i wont deny it made me smile

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

11 fight win streak which included 2 decisions,

And suddenly now the judges are “incompetent” and “hate” nick diaz because of a very close arguable decision?

“He nearly had to kill B.J. Penn (at UFC 137) to earn that decision”. He won that by UD – wtf is this clown talking about?

by needcashnow on Feb 6, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Condit did win....

…the Karate point fighting…for certain…as far as effective striking…I believe Diaz was more so….and he definitely demonstrated octagon control…Diaz won rds 1,2 and 5…at the same time this is what we’re going to get when it’s left up to the judges…inconsistency…in a clearly different fight Rampage beat Machida w/out landing a punch…
…bottom line those that wanted Condit to win are happy with the decision…but it’s the fans that really lost…I enjoy strategy as it is part of the sport…but after that fight it’s difficult to see Condit as a champion…lacked any killer instinct…strictly went into survivor mode…yes he played by the rules…but if this is a prelude of things to come against GSP they should put on their taekwondo head gear, shin pads and bulls-eye vests because that’s about as good as it’s going to get…we went from a potential fight of the year candidate to a predictable 5 rd snooze fest…

by tusacs on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

i dunno but lets introduce the fight to the death!!!

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

For those two guys for sure

honestly, i didnt think either guy did much of anything you know what i mean. Condit was going for points, and Diaz doesnt know what else to do but to walk forward and throw punchs so yknow

by Newfie3 on Feb 6, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i pretty much hated a fight i was looking forward to for ages - thats what im more disappointed about.

I didnt like the approach to it. Have to look at the stats which say condit landed more but it looked to me as if Diaz hurt him more when he hit him. He controlled the octagon and showed aggression….

Or the judges could say that Condit threw the volume punches, controlled the octago by sticking and moving(i wouldnt agree but i can see how some cunts would argue that) and had more EFFECTIVE striking

I mean either way it was a shit fight. simple as that
I want everyone to stop being so cute about the way they approach the ponts – and the scoring – It’s becoming quite obvious that people are fighting not to lose more than to win and no one can deny that – its only happening in main events where the starts are secure in there jobs as opposed to something like that legendary head kick from the first fight on the card. That dude was going out there to win! Makes a different fight

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Diaz came to the Octogon and was handed a condit who apparently likes to run when things get too hot!!

Nick Diaz was well prepared to scrap and apparently condit was advised to run the whole fight. After rewatching the fight, Diaz had a 4-1 edge over condit in control. He made condit a totally defensive fighter the whole evening. I rarely saw any offence from him and it seemed he wanted to part of this fight from the get-go. Hold your head up high, Nick. you did what the MMA is about and condit was a runner. Hedging and trying to get out of fight by running is to condit’s shame. What a mess the condit and St. P fight will be like. Two scared rabbits trying not truly confront each other. What a waste both of them are in the MMA

by coyoteye on Feb 6, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Diaz a whiner, not a winner

Condit forced Diaz to fight his style, don’t think Condit won?

Look at the punch stat numbers; look at how frustrated Diaz was almost the entire fight.

Round 3 was close, none of the other rounds were, even round 5 , Diaz took down Condit, put a triangle around his waist, and aside from getting elbowed by Condit several times, did absolutely nothing.

Condit controlled the action by forcing Diaz to adapt to his style, not standing in front of Diaz and trading punches doesn’t make you a chicken, it makes you smart, especially since it won Condit the fight.

A boxing comparison would be a technical boxer vs a brawler, Condit picked Diaz apart, especially with leg kicks

by Freigh on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Condit forced Diaz to fight his style

|First Condit fight you’ve watched or something?? Thats not Condit’s style… That’s Condit’s style after being so scared of losing thats how he fought. Like a little bitch. Diaz didnt give a fuck about losing he came out to win – not losing was all that was on condit’s mind and Diaz actually forced Condit to fight that style from watching Diaz tapes etc. It was not his style rather a styl;e he adapted so as not to lose. Im disappointed in Carlos i wanted him to show some sort of dominance not that he’s CAPABLE of fighting like GSP… That shit wont beat GSP… imagine their fight if they both come out like that?? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring!

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by scarnon on Feb 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If he didnt give a shit if he lost why is he bitching so hard?

by MMAPride on Feb 7, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

nice one

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

we all agree on round 4, 5

for the most part it seems we can all agree on condit getting rnd 4 and diaz 5…round 3 was closer round…but for the sake of the arguement give it to condit. than the first 2 rounds all go to diaz bc he had carlos not only backing off but he just ran the whole time. there is actually a few points where he actually lowers his hands and steps sideways and walks away from diaz and away from the fight. …and you can say all you want about game plans but if you game plan is to run …then i think mixed martial arts isn’t the sport for you.

by thelatchkeykids on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

I have no idea how you can give Condit round 5. What did he do that scored more than backmount, bodytriange(Condit was going nowhere), and multiple sub attempts? That to me seemed like the only time in the whole fight where either guy was in any position to end the fight.

by Meathole on Feb 7, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry latchkeykids I read your reply wrong and thought you gave Condit round 5. But my point still stands…I don’t know how anyone(2 of the judges?!?) scored round 5 for Condit.

by Meathole on Feb 7, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not impressed by your performance

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm waiting for Diaz's mom to say something...

afterall, BJ’s mom showed up when he was crying about losing…

by ohickey on Feb 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

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by MMAisfuntowatch on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit wouldn't stand in front of Nick...

because he knew he would get his ass kicked. Any other reason for him to change his style than that?

Minowaman forever

by Nick_fish on Feb 6, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Just like you wouldnt give your leg to Palhares ….. No one is going to play into the other persons strength…thats just stupid

by MMAPride on Feb 7, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

When is the Gracie camp gunna shut the hell up!

GET OVER IT….you LOST! stop whining….

Did they forget how much crap they gave Penn when he gave his little speal on Nick….Some stuff about losing respectfully and improving yourself….Most hypocritical camp and fighters in the UFC.

by MMAPride on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

Diaz won the fight.

3 judges score the bout, winner of the round gaining 10 points, his opponent gaining 9 or less. Based on effective Sriking, Grappling, Aggression and Octagon Control.

Striking – Even
Grappling – Diaz (take down, took the back, submission attempt)
Aggression – Diaz (pressed forward the whole time)
Octagon Control – Diaz (Carlos circled the whole fight and disengaged when he found his back to the cage, jogging to the other side of the octagon)

Round by Round

1 – Diaz, 2 – Diaz, 3 – Condit, 4 – Condit, 5 – Diaz (securing the back and sub attempt wins the round for Diaz)

Still think Carlos won? You’re a douche bag.

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by The Grecian Glaswegian on Feb 7, 2012 4:34 AM EST reply actions  

Striking – Even

whos the douche bag? Go read the fightmetric report…striking is the one aspect of that where we can look at concrete evidence to see who was better, and that was Condit

by Newfie3 on Feb 7, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

And Octagon control

Condit was the one that kept the fight where he wanted it to be.. not Diaz. He was getting frustrated because he could not get the fight where he wanted it..

So, yes, you, “The Grecian Glaswegian”, are the douche bag.

unambig is an absolute welsh and nobody should ever sig bet this guy. He is a whiner and disgraced the sport by his childish, cry baby, antics. Hopefully he retires just like his whiny lover Nick "Im 7 years old" Diaz

by enzo-enormous on Feb 7, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Hate Nick Diaz and I always cheer against that punk

But I do love watching his fights and consider him a great fighter. If not for his shitty attitude he would be in my top 5 but due to his attitude he is right down there with Bisping and Kos in my book.

With all that said I think hands down HE WON THE FIGHT. He was robbed and the 4-1 score confirms this. Its clear the judges hate him and my advice to him would be to work on his attitude and keep his mouth shut in the ring then maybe they will give him a round occcasionaly

by Kingsam360 on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  


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