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UFC 143 results: Carlos Condit critics need to get real because Nick Diaz didn't win

Just as puzzled as Nick Diaz (R) was with Carlos Condit (L) in the UFC 143 main event, thinking the wrong man won the interim welterweight title? Jason Probst suggests you roll back the tape and watch it again because the judges got it right. Photo by Esther Lin via SBnation.com.

After Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) ring announcer announcer Bruce Buffer belted out the final result of the UFC 143 main event fight between Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit, the Twitterverse -- much like everywhere else -- was starkly divided by both fans and mixed martial arts (MMA) insiders on who indeed deserved to win the controversial decision.

And this wasn't just biased folks from the 209 area code who claimed Diaz was robbed, but respected MMA types whose opinions carry credibility among anyone vaguely familiar with the sport.

"That decision was an absolute joke," Tweeted former UFC champion and legendary trainer Pat Miletich. "At best, Condit won two rounds."

And noted trainer Duke Roufus poured it on even thicker, sharing his strong feelings via Twitter.

"I am done teaching guys to fight! Gonna teach them to run like bitch & hold guys down like a bitch it wins! How do u like that fight fans?"

We live in a fast-moving world, especially where anyone and everyone's input can be shared in the real time. But I wonder if anyone would be criticizing a stand up artist who avoided takedowns, or a wrestler that planted a dangerous striker on the mat and carefully worked and controlled his way to a decision.

Condit did "Fighting 101," which is implementing your strengths, while minimizing those of an opponent who is hellbent on rearranging your face. Sometimes, in the case of a Cain Velasquez, or Alistair Overeem defeating Brock Lesnar, that translates into an exciting bout. In other cases, you get a Matt Lindland highlight reel (of his wins, not his losses, which were usually far more compelling).

But, winning is winning.

Star-divide

Much of the resentment stemmed from the fact that almost everyone was sure this was going to be a rollicking, bloody bout. And we didn't get it. But, just because Condit refused to stand there and let Diaz punch him in the face endlessly doesn't mean Diaz gets some sort of Groupon with the judges.

He wasn't able to implement his gameplan. And despite ringside judge Cecil Peoples' legendary assertion that "leg kicks don't win fights," they certainly do ... at least in this case (in part). Condit's attacks exploited the biggest hole in Diaz's aggressive, in-your-face style, excess weight on the front leg to set up hand strikes, and he kept it as a go-to during a technically sound performance.

We all deserve a second chance to watch Diaz-Condit. As of this writing, I've watched it three times now, and still don't see anything meriting a decision for Diaz. I picked Diaz to win, and like him, I'm a native Northern Californian. I've seen the guy fight for nearly a decade now, and have come as close to rooting for him as I can allow myself for any fighter.

Yet for all this, there's no way I can say he won that fight. Can you honestly say that you do?

Jason Probst can be reached at twitter.com/jasonprobst and Jason@jasonprobst.com

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Oh yeah!! Well.....Shut up!!!

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by howieizme on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by howieizme on Feb 5, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

condit picked diaz apart

Nick was target practice throwing joke kicks and talking shit he should have used takedowns and clinch work when his footwork and punches failed him. He might as well held pads for Condit in the octagon he followed Condit instead of cutting him off nate even told him at start of rnd5 it was 3-1 what a sore loser he needs mental help

by talkfight on Feb 5, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He punched Condit in the face more times than Condit punched him, in 4 rounds. It’s that simple, want more? He chased Condit down throughout and was the aggressor. A few defensive leg pats don’t win a bring, bring Aldo/Rua leg kicks or GTFO.

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by danago on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

you my friend dont know what sport you're watching, MMA is not boxing!

Holy shit people you’d think you’re all hardcore boxing fans! “Diaz punched condit more he should win!” Well Condit kicked, kneed, and elbowed more than Diaz and in an MMA fight that equals victory!

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by Austin Wilson on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

well, he should've received multiple warnings and point deductions for running around.

if you don’t fight to win, you shouldn’t be able to earn a decision. if they would’ve fought in a ring which favors the better striker Diaz would’ve won an easy decision. horrible for the sport, soon there will be no ufc if they keep this up!

by RoBerto. on Feb 5, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

agree on that concern robert

bad for new fans and good for fighters and coaches who want to avoid fighting

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Feb 5, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont get the whole avoid fighting thing

you all sound like butt hurt diaz fans, honestly. I didnt have a pick in this either way, though I was leaning diaz. But you all sound angry that Condit didnt post up in a corner and let diaz go HAM on him with punches. Condit fought one of the smartest fights Ive ever seen, frustrated diaz constantly, and through all of that did more damage.

occupy my pants

by theoregonduck on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no problem with Condit's gameplan...i think it was smart.

And it worked well for him to win the 3rd and 4th rounds.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yea but don't call it a fight.

it was the definition of hit and run. and the only thing he committed to was when he hit the air.

by RoBerto. on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It's exactly how GSP vs. Diaz would have looked like.

Plus a takedown in the last 30 seconds of every round.

by Haywire on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

u define "fight" as whatever nick diaz does

Ur confusing rockem sockem with sports combatt. If nick wants to challenge people to a punchin contest he can promote that event and I will watch but that’s not MMA.

by talkfight on Feb 5, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Id pay $100 to see you go one round with Condit

Then you will know what fighting really is couch potato.

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by Chin Check on Feb 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you're stupid.

Letting Diaz punch you in the face is stupid. Which is why Condit used a methodical, and defensive tactic.
Condit still did more damage, using more martial arts, than Diaz’ boxing. If being aggresive makes for winning, than Tank Abbott would be champ. Your outlandish writings make for an easy assesment of where you stand as a thinking individual.
It was close, yes, but Condit did win the fight. Please stop using clouded and bias judgement.

by GodDamnMike on Feb 5, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed RoBerto...

A Fighters goal should be to finish the fight, and a decision should be rendered in the event a finish is not achieved… A fight should be judged on how effectively the fighter attempts to finish the fight… “Back Pedaling and Laying and Praying” should prompt referees to intercede by giving warnings and or taking points away for stalling…

by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Those leg kicks did absolutely zero damage. They were horrible. I won’t get into who won or who disk but how people can applaud condits performance is beyond me. He turned a ran away from the cage a couple time not like he circled cleaning out like Frankie Edgar does. He look scared as fuck and I though he looked it. How people are leasing that performance is crazy

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by LOKIE on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity...

What exactly did Diaz do to deserve the win in this?

by doomrider7 on Feb 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"Leg kicks did absolutely zero damage"???

Unless you are Nicks thigh or Nate Diaz i have trouble trouble taking that comment seriously as you obviously have no idea how hurt his leg was/is.

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by Chin Check on Feb 5, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No

You dont get style points for throwing them. They actually have to land to count.

by Deim0sRising on Feb 5, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

Then neither do little pitter patter shots get you a win either. Also, those kicks did damage. It forced Diaz on several occasions to switch stance and even had him wobble on that leg.

\m/

by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 5, 2012 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

same

5th was really close though.

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by TillaDaDrilla on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I had the same. A lot of people are saying diaz didn’t do shit the first round but i do recall hin landing on diaz and watching Carlos run. After the second round I was asking myself if Carlos is going to step it up or just run and throw a flashy move that doesn’t land and run some more and that’s all he did. Fools are saying diaz is mad because Carlos didn’t let hin beat the shit out of him. When has anyone ever let someone beat the shit out of him. I didn’t want Carlos to put himself against the cage and fight off the cage and let diaz beat the fuck out of him. What I did want was two guys to fight and NOT see a game of tag. And that’s what this fight was, just one guy running from another. I can think of two times when condit threw a significant strike and it didn’t even phase diaz. I don’t see how Carlos won and on another note if a guy is talking shit to you, messing with you and slapping you how the Hell would people say you are beating his ass. Because everyone on this site that’s written articles after the fight are making it seem like Carlos beat diaz down. If Carlos wants to run so much he should go with Nick to a triatholon. And rogan made me sick during his conmentating, complety bias towards condit

by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

After the second round I was asking myself if Carlos is going to step it up or just run

I had the same feeling when I was watching.
In the third round the momentum changed and in the 4th I was convinced that Condit would take the decision. But then Diaz took Condit down and had a dominant position and imo clearly won that round.

by Haywire on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how i saw it.

i had it 2-2 going into the 5th and the takedown to back control to sub attempt should’ve sealed it for Diaz.

Maybe the judges aren’t used to bjj takedowns that they didn’t score it as a takedown. they just have hard-ons for wrestling takedowns.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, this is the first fight that they have ever judged in MMA

we need some of the resident biased experts to sign up as judges to score the fights fair

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup but to be honest we can say all we want the fight is over and Carlos was GIVEN the belt. I wouldn’t be surprised if gsp gave a sigh of relief I know all that talk from hin wanting to face diaz was bull shit. All we can do is hope diaz doesn’t retire. Well that’s what i hope, the dude is hitting his prime and all I feel he needs to do is work on wrestling a lot more so he can secure takedowns and then use his bjj and also diaz boxing strikes are phenomenal he has great hands but i think he needs to work o. His movement and foot work. He is flat footed and with some training on movement it be hard to run away like Carlos did.

by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hells yea

rogan was completely bias towards condit, i cant stand that shit

by Scrapyjitsu on Feb 5, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Same.

The only round I thought Condit was really dominant was the 4th round.

by Haywire on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think condit won rounds 3 and 4 and round 5 was close but i think diaz took it. I was telling my brother watch its going to be a draw or diaz won. And to make it clear I to all the diaz haters I never expected Carlos to just be up against the cage and let diaz pound away at him. No i expected them to trade and that’s what diaz expected but no that’s not what happened. Carlos ran he didn’t move of angles. When did he move a throw and move and throw, never because he wasn’t sticking and moving he was running. I was pissed that diaz didn’t get the decision but i was more mad at the fact that Carlos didn’t fight he acted like a bitch and didn’t expect that out of him

by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Niick's a prick

and it got it stuck to him last night. Don’t want to play my game, I’m going to cry and go home. Come back when your a big boy hommie.

by charlyw on Feb 5, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

I had Diaz in 1, 2, and 5 as well. But hey, fuck me for having an opinion i guess

by potato623 on Feb 5, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I had the same score, but we are not welcome here.. no sir

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

scored it the same.

a clear 3 rounds. The closest round was the 3rd and i gave it to Condit.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup the second we defend diaz we get like 5 people commenting back on how he is a cry baby. Carlos surprised me with how he fought I expected hon to push the pase of the fight because i felt they had the same cardio. I didn’t want Carlos to stand against the cage and let diaz beat hin down like most of tje people are saying that’s what diaz wanted. No diaz wanted him to trade with him and actually fight NOT run. And Carlos ran. Like i said i didn’t want Carlos to stand there and let diaz beat his ass but i bought the ppv because i wanted to see two great fighters go at it and we didn’t get that. We saw a game of tag

by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

If you think Diaz won, you must:

1. Hate Lyoto

2. Not be a “real fan”

3. be a “weekend poster”

4. Not understand MMA

5. only enjoy street brawls

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

why are there always 5 points?

why not stop at 3?

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

4 and 5 are championship points

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Feb 5, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yup they have some weak ass comebacks that just generalize when we are trying to state one thing. like i said last night, it wouldnt matter who beat diaz just as long as he lost becuase alot of people dont like him. it doesnt matter now i just hope diaz doesnt retire as for condit i didnt expect that out of him. i hope he knew he really stood a chance to finish diaz because they were about the same. its sad to see that becasue i bet greg jackson told him not to try and take diaz out just run it out and score points. and carlos may have had a smart gmaeplan but with that gameplan i didnt see carlos land as many strikes as he was scored to have done. it was a bias fight and after seeing that and if diaz did win im sure gsp would have ran from him as well and just hump him.

by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yes 1,2,5 for Diaz

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed with the lot of you. 1,2,5 for Diaz, and if anything , Rd 3 could have went to Diaz if you are going to make a mistake.

Condit had the most dominant round in the 4th, but still, this was an easy to see win here.

by p123 on Feb 5, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

I had it for Condit, but it’s close enough that I don’t think it’s outlandish you had it scored for Diaz.

I think it’s just the reaction of Diaz fans who are calling Condit a coward in the like, showing their butt hurt are who’s opinions we could do with out.

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by ShaiZ on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

not all people who scored it for Diaz are Diaz fans.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

not a Diaz fan, at all

But had him winning.

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by TillaDaDrilla on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

same here.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

same here i got 1,2 and 5 for nick

got a case for 2 being a draw but the whole fight would be draw at most.49-46 condit is ridiulous!

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

agree 100% free Nick had 1,2 and 5

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 5, 2012 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not to metion, has anybody seen the judges scorecards?

2 of the judges including Peoples gave Diaz round 3 but not 2 haha? 2 was Diaz’s best round, he outstruck him and controlled the pace and landed combos to the body. Round 3 was Diaz’s worst round yet he won that round..

by potato623 on Feb 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

how did you see the scorecard?

yeah, i have no idea how people score this so differently. i agree that the 2nd was Diaz’s best round.

Dana gave Condit the 3rd, 4th and 5th…but Condit himself gave himself the first 4 rounds.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I gave Condit the first four rounds

with round two being close and could have gone to Diaz.

Round five could have gone either way too.

I have no idea why so many people thought Diaz won the first round. He’s a slow starter and he pretty much just walked forward for most of it not even throwing strikes.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, i can't believe that.

not throwing strikes?? he backed Condit into the cage and landed accurate strikes on him. Diaz bullied him in the first 2 rounds, I wasn’t even sure Condit would make it past the 2nd.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He actually landed more strikes to the face of Condit. Condit threw very little, other than baby kicks.

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by danago on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

try it a third time as you've been ignored on the first two attempts

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah me too, I scored first four rounds for condit

Honestly you can make a case for condit in round five because he won the exchanges and was only on the ground for a minute.He defended perfectly and got back to his feet as the round was winding down

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by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ok, question...

how do they “score” the rounds?

where do they get their points from?? how do they score aggressiveness?? and whats odd is that all scorecards are almost identical.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

how I was taught to score was simple. X is 2 points, / is 1

you only score strikes that landed, some damage, say it gets a /
Then they land a combo that does some real damage: X
Takedown into guard: /
takedown into guard but passes to a dominate position: X
It’s a simple system that we used. Aggression plays a part, you might earn an X for being the aggressor, but you might earn a / for escaping or evading a submission attempt. It’s discretion. I don’t know what system they use though….

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

some people use O’s for grappling. I like to keep it more simple than that

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta admit, there's definately something wrong with the scoring...

the most dominant round was probably round #2 for Diaz…and yet 2 judges scored it for Condit, while the 3rd gave it to Diaz by a slim margin.

Not only that, they didn’t even score the first round…but all 3 gave it to Condit.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on the criteria I was taught to use

It was close, but I would have given it to Condit, not Diaz.

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The scores are the sub-totals of the 10 or 9 points each scored

That’s why there’s no score for the first round, there’s nothing to add to it.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

this is truly disgusting...

all 3 judges gave the 5th round to Condit.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait for UFC Undisputed 3

I’m gonna use Nick Diaz and kick Condit’s ass lol but seriously Diaz won rounds 1,2, and 5 don’t care what anyone else says

by 49erEmpire on Feb 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Team Jackson...

has ruined yet another “fighter”, this time turning him into a marathon runner.
Kalib Starnes would be proud.

3 gay men r discussing what 2 do with their friend who had just died...
the 1st says "we should just bury him"...the 2nd says, "no, we should creamate him"... thr 3rd says"no, no...we should cook him & eat him"...
"I just wanna feel him slide outta me 1 more time...

by Talkman on Feb 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

this is the saddest comment I've ever seen

You realize Condit was at Team Jackson during every other fight he’s had in the UFC, right? You know, all the other fights that were filled with a shit ton of bonuses?

He decides not to let Nick Diaz pin him against the fence and punch him in the face for five rounds and suddenly he’s fucking Kalib Starnes?

Overreact much?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

problem?

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

nah, one fight is enough to ruin his image.

ppl need to see the bigger picture, performances like this ruin the entire idea of fighting sports. Nick should’ve protested and started running around, possibly left the octagon during the fight. if you wanna avoid being hit, come up with defense if not the refs should hand out warnings.

by RoBerto. on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem was we believed the hype..... In Condit

He is truly is a good mma fighter who had an opportunity to solidify himself a force to fuck a fighter up, instead, in the biggest stage of his career, he (not Diaz) decides to fight like a punk. My thing isn’t about the gameplan. I wanted Diaz to win but a good fight commands respect, regardless of the winner. Condit didn’t reduced a Fotn to a jake shields v gsp fight and that was horrible. Does Condit expect fans to have an invested interest in his fight in gsp? Really? When they both are notorious for fighting boring when the stakes are high. Fuck that.

by Crispyears on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The point is to win..

and I have no problem with the way Condit fought. He fought smart enough to win the 3rd and 4th rounds.

If you wanna see what happens when you get sucked into fighting a Diaz fight look up Cerrone’s last fight.

In saying that, Diaz won last night.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear that hence my point about gameplans not essentially the problem

Its the execution which had me switching off before the fight was over. Who is really gonna care about a champion who fights like this when the stakes are high. It’s rubbish. This truly lives up to the motto, to win is to lose, cause Condit lost a lot of respect and fans for his performance. Greg Jackson is fucking shit up.

by Crispyears on Feb 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

exactly crispy

who gives a fuck about gsp/condit.Its gonna be a snoozer.If condit was that afraid of nicks stand up imagine how scared of gsps tds he will be.it will be gsp/hardy all over again

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Feb 5, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I hate MMA fans.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 5, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Just don't leave it in the hands of the judges

Like Dana always says…“don’t leave it in the hands of the judges!” Diaz played it just as safe as condit did. The only difference is he kept pushing forward. He should’ve tried to take him down much earlier than the last 2 minutes of round 5. I think the fight was much closer than the scorecards showed but neither looked like they were trying to finish the fight. So live with the consequences.

by Digitalzeros on Feb 5, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Stop talking like Condit was coming at Diaz with Aldo like leg kicks LOL. He ran around throwing baby kicks, that was all. No intention of finishing or even damaging his opponent.

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by danago on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Happy the judges got it right

Glad there’s no talk about a rematch,no need for one and I see lorenzo and dana get it

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by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Was a classic case of brains over stupidy

Diaz had nothing because he was out-smarted from beginng to end. Why does he put his hands out like a beggar. Like duh?? “What am I going to do now?”

by charlyw on Feb 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

amazing it took 24 minutes to change his strategy

A takedown and submission attempt too late…

"How much more success can I obtain? If the sky is the limit then I'm living amongst the clouds"-letter19

by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exxxxxxxxactly!!!!

Very well said. Waiting to counter until he’s cornered against the fence with no success for 4 rounds wasn’t enough for him and his coaches to realize a takedown was in order. Not like he’s black belt bjj or anything right?

by Digitalzeros on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he should have went for the takedown earlier and try to mix it up

He only wants to box and that’s not enough

"How much more success can I obtain? If the sky is the limit then I'm living amongst the clouds"-letter19

by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Boo that man!

So boring, didn’t realize that running the 40 would help a guy win a fight. In terms of boring Fitch+Machida=Condits gameplan last night.

by M15 on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

nick diaz is the best in the world at 170

condit ran like a track star…pussy only won the 4th round thats it

by 209..STOCKTON..209 on Feb 5, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Push the pace more..?

The only way Diaz could have pushed the pace more would have been to flat out “sprint” after Condit… You can have a game plan, and be technical while attempting to finish a fight…

by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

and Diaz

cried all the way home

by charlyw on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

him and Nate probably rolled an innocent bum on the way home to teach him a lesson

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If you quit your job, do you attend the exit interview?

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

why would you quit a company and then think that there may be a possibility that you would want to return?

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no clue. ask BJ Penn

This would have happened whether Condit countered and circled or GSP layed on him for 25 minutes.
I’ve been pissed and wanted to quit my job. Give it a few days to think and then make a logical decision

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes Nick won 1,2 and 5

how did 2 judges give Condit rd 5 BS

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 5, 2012 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

reminded me of Edger & Penn's first fight

Condit went in there with a gameplan stuck to it & won if Diaz didn’t like chasing him then don’t run after him. Diaz is one dimensional which in all fairness to him has made him a good fighter but that will only take him so far. if there’s a rematch Condit will beat him again & so would all the top 5 WW in the ufc

by evilgumbo on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

you're right it was like the first Edgar-Penn fight.

the judges fucked that one up too.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Edgar won the rematch, but not the first fight.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's my opinion.

just because 3 dumbasses think someone won a fight doesn’t mean its true.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

clearly?? really?

which rounds did he clearly win? cuz im gonna take a look at them.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

he pretty much won every round

just because he wasn’t standing toe to toe with him doesn’t mean he was losing

by evilgumbo on Feb 5, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck

i just wasted 5 comments talkin to a retard.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

oh your so funny did you think of that forum troll insult yourself or did you steal it from a another site your lame on?

here’s an idea why not start picking fault with my grammar cause you have no rational arguement that would be great hear ill makke it easie 4 u

by evilgumbo on Feb 5, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!!!

Evilgumbo is a Troll!!!

by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes i must be a troll for having a different opinion

this forum is laughable at times lets get it right if you’ve made over a thousand comments its about time you all went out & got yourselfs a life

by evilgumbo on Feb 5, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

most def a troll

everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance

by biggant on Feb 5, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

1, 3 & 4.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 5, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.....and I'm all out of bubble gum!!!

by TillaDaDrilla on Feb 5, 2012 2:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Was nothing like that fight, don’t disrespect Frankie. He had a great showing, he actually threw many punches.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Diaz believes if you don't fight in a phone booth

you’re not fighting. Was a close fight, I would have hated to be a judge…BUT all the crying about robbery is girly.

by TTB on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

you could say Diaz won the first 2 rounds and the last very easily. It was a close fight no doubt I think it could have been a draw. running away means you are yielding the fight and if nothing of note happens you lost that round.

by The_Devil_You_Know on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Some mma fans can be so dumb: I mean they wanted condit to fight diaz style of fighting(in the pocket, exchanging haymakers ) which is the worst thing to do, cause he would have get out-struck and busted up. But condit didn’t do that, so now he’s a coward and was running. LMAO!

by Rampage01 on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

They wanted him to throw a punch.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cut him off, HOW? When your opponent is literally running, this isn’t boxing. The octagon is much bigger and has more corners, when a fighter adopts that gameplan it’s hard to do anything.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well I'm sure that you and Nick smoked a blunt last night and you were able to give him some pointers for his next fight

that is if you can convince him to not retire of course

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We won’t be taking another fight.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

are you the old white haired guy who seems to be all hyped up on glue or gold paint?

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by hairybumcrack on Feb 5, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh yes, when your game plan isn't working then you shouldn't change anything

I guess Diaz didn’t have the option of getting the fight to the ground.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Danago?!?!?!

Why do you disappear every time I make points that you can’t critisize?

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

condit fought a smart fight.. he was in there against another elite striker don't expect an easy ko

condit had a great gameplan.. constantly moving not giving diaz anything to hit..im a fan of nick diaz but he really needs to work on his clinch game and power kicks.. story of the night imo though has to be steven thompson i believe thats the guys name.. the karate kid

by Grzegorz86 on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Rematch?

Since GSP is out to November why nto have diaz and condit fight again since this fight was so close I know nick said he’s “done with this shit” but I bet If dana said how about fighting carlos again ? he would take that quick I mean look at when Frankie won the LW belt he had to fight BJ again after he beat him the first time so I think a rematch should happen or most likely will happen

by Tyler Wayne Sykes-rodriguez on Feb 5, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

What? some people don't agree with the judges??

Irrelevant.Condit is interim champ and diaz is retired, look forward to gsp vs condit

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by letter19 on Feb 5, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronda's wrong.

GSP’s the real champ.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Feb 5, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the tweets!

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"but if there's anyone who wants to finish fights it's me." - GSP

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 5, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish Rousey would just STFU.

Nothing to do with her opinion about the fight.

Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.

by t goose on Feb 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job Probst

No amount of evidence can change a mind that is not seeking the truth so your efforts are likely in vain but then who cares about anyone not wanting to see reality anyways.
Haters will hate!

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That time is now. ( Buddha )

by AriesKJJ on Feb 5, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, Aries! Always fun to share thoughts and get other folks’ perspective. That was a tough, close fight. Hopefully we’ll get Condit-GSP next.

by Jason Probst on Feb 5, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally I hope Condit reconsiders waiting and fights Hendricks or Elenberger.

Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens. ( J.R.R. Tolkien )

by AriesKJJ on Feb 5, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

… assuming Elenberger beats Sanchez

Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens. ( J.R.R. Tolkien )

by AriesKJJ on Feb 5, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

what a joke

diaz clearly lost. I can see it being close but it was a condit win and thatsthe end of it.

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by daniel worby on Feb 5, 2012 2:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Reading thru comments looking for the knowledgeable people makes me embraced to be an American. Just reading these comments on this single subject has made us possible the stupidest country on the planet. Diaz at best….maybe pulled the first round and fourth, 1st round was far to close for even me to judge…However, if you people would take a seat, put the beer bottle down, put the cell phones in your pocket for the night and watch the fight again… Condit wins the fight. For those even calling this a close fight, lets not beat around the bush, it may be as close DIaz could get to beating Condit but thats it.. stand in the middle of the cage and act badass with your arms down and talk shit to your opponent doesn’t work when you fight someone who doesn’t come charging in…instead, I think I seen Condit punch Diaz in the face a few times while he was doing his ’’Thing’’ and then Condit backs up smiling/talking. Most people are ass hurt because their not getting what they want with the Condit/GSP fight, no one feels sorry for you, stop looking for every little loop hole you can because now we get to see the two best in the division fight eachother, both with respect and hearts of champions.

by JoeyBambino on Feb 5, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

Your view of the way the fight was scored is skewed. This is where the judges need to get it right. Condit played defense well, circled left against a southpaw and stayed off of the fence…but that’s ALL he did. Throwing leg kicks does NOT win fights unless they do damage, which they didn’t. Fight Metric shows Condit led in total strikes, but Diaz led in head and body shots. You DO NOT win fights by running away the whole time. Diaz walked him down and landed the more effective strikes when it counted. Rounds 1 & 2 were ALL Diaz with Condit doing nothing but playing defense, which does not win you a fight. Diaz pressed action, controlled the center and pushed Condit away the entire time…that’s effective aggression and octogon control (one of the criteria of scoring). When ever Condit would circle out, Diaz would tag him and force him to run away. Round 3, Condit did more of the same, but provided a bit more offense, which is why that round was a toss up. Round 4 was ALL Condit, and that’s the way he should have fought to REALLY win the fight. Not only did he play defense, but he also gave more effective OFFENSE at the same time. He would circle left, away from the cage, then attack with an effective combo, not just run the whole time and throw a leg kick or two. Round 5 was all Diaz as Condit again got on his bike and barely offered any offense, not to mention that Diaz got back control and threatened to actually end the fight. There was NO WAY Condit should have won that fight. Rounds 1,2, & 5 ALL Diaz, round 3 & 4 Condit, with round 3 being a toss up. You need to watch the fight again.

by ineedaperm on Feb 5, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

Rounds 1,2, & 5 ALL Diaz, round 3 & 4 Condit, with round 3 being a toss up.

This. Case closed.

by Haywire on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

WIsh I lived in the same town as you that way we could watch the fight together. If you truly think those leg kicks didn’t do ANY damage then..I mean, I don’t know what to say really accept when you get kicked on your lead like with any amount of force, it begins to hurt, even if you don’t show it.
What I don’t understand is, yeah, Diaz was walking forward but if he knew Condit was going to circle (which he did the entire fight, along with the spinning elbow and fist) then why did’y Diaz chase him down like

by JoeyBambino on Feb 5, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Cont..) everyone wanted Condit to do. It’s simple, Diaz wanted to provoke Condit into walking forward and trading shots..which in that case Condit would eventually gas in my opinion which would then be all Diaz’s fight from that point forward.

Condit may have been backing up but he hit Diaz with a lot of hard shots, enough to make Nick put his hands down and quit talking.

by JoeyBambino on Feb 5, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry for the triple post but I forgot to mention that I respect your opinion as well.

by JoeyBambino on Feb 5, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

People can say winning is winning all they want but when the fans get bored of fights like this and stop paying for PPV’s the sport is going to suffer. I watched this PPV at a bar for the first time instead of paying for it and I’m glad I did. Screw the ultimate running championship.

by NateDogg77 on Feb 5, 2012 3:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Also, anyone saying those leg kicks don’t count has obviously never been leg-kicked.

by Jason Probst on Feb 5, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

true...

@JoeyBambino I respect your point of view as well, the only thing Diaz should’ve done was cut him off with body shots when Condit circled left…you are completely right that Condit didn’t get lured into Diaz’s game…but he didn’t take advantage of it except for the 4th round….he simply didn’t provide enough offense…I’ve watched the fight 4 times now and Condit didn’t land anything signifigant until the middle of the 3rd round. The 4th round was when Nick stopped talking, but he still did the hands down thing because Condit wasn’t fighting.
@Jason Probst trust me, training under Jongsanan I’ve had my fair share of leg kicks, more than I care to remember. There’s a difference when a leg kick does damage, ie Werdum vs. Nelson. Those leg kicks that Condit were landing were to score, but did not slow Diaz, turn him, or make him limp in any way. I’m not saying they didn’t hurt, I’m sure they did…but it wasn’t enough offensive output to win that fight…Condit should’ve fought the way he fought in the 4th round the entire fight, if he did that he prob would’ve hurt Diaz even more….but he just didn’t do enough in my opinion. I still feel it was the wrong call and improper judging.

by ineedaperm on Feb 5, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The way I look at it is you and I both have different opinions , opinions that do make sense anyhow.. But one thing we both agree on is the fight being very close, closer then I previously stated.

Another thing I think we ALL agree on is Diaz continuing to fight. Your looking at Diaz, considered to be a top 3 welterweight in the world, who also just lost a very close fight with another top 3 fighter. Condit/Gsp fight happens loser gets knocked down just a bit and gets back in the mix with Diaz.

Ellenberger/Sanchez fight.. lets hope Sanchez wins, Diaz wins his next fight (Fitch possibly), Diaz then gets a revenge match with Diego,, winner fights the champ.

by JoeyBambino on Feb 5, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

True that

I do Muay Thai and it sucks to get kicked by someone who knows how to do it, even when they are wearing shin pads! When I got promoted to the fighter’s level class I ended up with bruised shins for the first time since I started kicking the heavy bags over 2 years ago and my legs were lit up with bruises. Those dudes kick hard and efficiently and they aren’t even at Condit’s level. I’m sure Nick won’t be running any marathons for a while.

by malonish on Feb 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  


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