Nick Diaz is not a top Welterweight
by sz87 on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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PrintA lot of people call Diaz a top WW, some where even calling him the best WW out there, and only second to GSP. Everyone was hyped for a Diaz GSP matchup due to the belief that Diaz could actually legitimately cause big problems for GSP, and land the win against GSP to go on to become the undisputed WW champion of the UFC. But the real issue is from where people are getting such ideas? Why has Diaz been rated so highly? Is he really that good? Has he done anything to prove he is worth the acclaim? Has he gone on to beat and decimate high calibre elite fighters in his division? The answer to all of this NO, I mean let's just take a look at Diaz' list of wins before he lost to Condit:
-Bj Penn (not even a WW)
-Paul daley, (lol, get real)
-Evangelista Santos, (Average fighter, not elite class)
-Kj Noons (lol, get real, and Noons isn’t even a WW is a LW)
-Hayato Sakurai (another average fighter, not elite, plus he was a 2 fight losing streak, and would go on a 4 losing fight streak)
-Marius Zaromskis (another average fighter, not elite)
-Scott Smith (lol, yeah, move on)
-Frank Shamrock (A fighter past his prime and peak, and also fighting outside his established weight class)
-Thomas Denny (lol, get real)
-Mushin Corbbrey (same as above)
-Katsuya Inoue (lol, a top elite fighter eh)
So let's get real, Diaz has not fought and beaten any legit WW, he came up against a legit WW in Condit and lost, Diaz is not an elite fighter, and there is nothing to show otherwise. Diaz never stood a chance against GSP, it's almost an insult to even think he was on GSP's level when you compare the list of fighters GSP has currently beaten to those of Diaz, all Diaz had was a big mouth and a hype train behind him.
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i’ve been saying this ever since he first started calling out george like i have nothing else to say about this guy he’s a sore loser, horrible professional, delusional as fuck, and probably the most immature fighter ever…..and his fighting style sucks. for the ones who say carlos ran and nick won your just showing how little you know about combat sports. nick diaz is a brawler and brawlers dont get far when your facing the elite. the reason why ali would beat mike tyson in their primes is the fact that once again ali is a complete focused boxer skilled in what he does well at. tyson was the same up until cus died then it was just wild and crazy off the hook tyson. like yeah your entertaining but so is chris lytle and when he faced brian ebersole what happen? when jon jones fought rampage what happen? why do you think even with a huge bomb on his face mark hommink was able to get off alot of nice shots against jose aldo who’s no slouch at all in technique.this fight should be a learning experience to all that: YOU CAN NOT KEEP GETTING MAD AND SAYING IGNORANT SHIT ABOUT THINGS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND NICK DIAZ LOST THAT FIGHT CLEARLY GET OVER IT HE’S NEVER BEEN A REAL MARTIAL ARTIST JUST A TOUGH DUDE FROM STOCKTON WHO CHOKED OUT GOMI WHILE MAYBE HIGH AND THATS IT! lol he deserved to loss that fight and he did in the worst way possible:he lost a fight that showed the blue print on how to beat nick diaz
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and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
If he comes back, he should fight Fitch.
If he can’t get past 1-dimensional Fitch’s wrestling, we know he’ll never beat GSP. If he can beat Fitch, he’s a legit top WW.
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Did you just make not one but two anti-Diaz fanposts? The hate is strong in this one.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
lol the hate is hilarious but come on if anyone deserves it nick diaz does he just folded and never got comfortable and all of you enjoy his excuses that the only way you sleep at night so its cool
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
folded?
we talking about the same fight? are you a troll?
c’mon man. lemme tell you this before you call me a Diaz Fanboy…I’m not a Diaz fan…I like Condit and I wanted him to win last night…I picked Condit in the Mania Pool and put $20 on Condit on Bodog…but i think Diaz clearly won 3 rounds last night. I dont like it, but that’s what I saw.
But you say he folded? You just must be a blind Diaz hater.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
Stop worry TW
Condit took 3,4,5
The f5th he was sailing through the round until he got his back taken, then he escaped and retook it.
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by MMA Boss on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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let me get this straight
You watched Diaz’s fight last night, which was razor close and could have gone either way, against the clear cut #2 in the division and concluded that Diaz was not a top welterweight? Did I get that right?
by Fulch on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
#2
how do come up with that because someone put his name there you just believe it.
neither one of these guys are clear cut anything, Diaz has not beaten anyone of worth, (except an on the way out and not performing well Penn) and still has not. Diaz has not ever been a great fighter and obviously proved that with his performance last night that he will never be.
You do know he had already been booted from the ufc for losing to many fights right? and now he says he will retire, he should, before he gets booted again.
interesting take
Condit’s won 5 in a row, all in the UFC. He’s beaten Ellenberger, McDonald, Hardy, Kim, Diaz. I’d say he’s the clear cut #2, but you disagree, which is fine. You did forget to say who you think is the clear cut #2. It’s easy to attack and say silly stuff without putting any of your own opinion out there.
Penn is a former WW champ and an excellent boxer, and Diaz battered him. Daley is a former contender in the UFC, and Diaz finished him in less than a round. To try to make it sound like Diaz isn’t at least legit is pure fantasy on your part.
who has been beat at WW
MATT HUGHES
whoopidy doo that makes him top WW???? i think not
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Come on Jay
it’s clearly Matt Riddle. Don’t you know anything about MMA?
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Condit is top 4 I think in most oponions right now, my number 2 is Ellenburger
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Diaz (left) vs. Condit (right) last night...
Leg kicks = the chair
you should totally twitter that on your facebook
Here's a tip sz87...
why dont you ask his opponents…
listen to Condit talk about Diaz in the post-fight press conference.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
the only fighter that Condit couldn't engage in a fight with
5-2, undefeated and undisputed, beat me ... if you can.
UFC 143 = Diaz DEC, Nelson DEC, Kos DEC, Kuiper DEC, Barao SUB3, Leroy DEC, Brown KO1, Herman SUB2, Poirer KO2, Thompson DEC, Martinez DEC
Funny
None of the Diaz fans can’t actually dispute the fact that the fighters he has beaten are NOT elite fighters, at least we all agree that he has beaten average fighters.
BJ penn is a multiple time champion
and a champion in the division Diaz beat him at. I fucking hate Penn, but hes a damn legend
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Who has Condit beat then asshole?
Nobody you worthless piece of shit troll. Fuck yourself and your mother.
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#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
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Diaz,Rory Mcdonnald,Jake Ellenberger-Carlos is 28-5 with only 4 decisions he finishes fights! 13 wins by way of KO or TKO-13 wins by way of submision.
This is a great article read it again face it Nick will have even more trouble with GSP because his wrestling I would love to see Nick fight Rory Mcdonald, Rory would throw him around just like he did to Nate! BJ is a great LW and small WW that often comes to fight at less than his best and don’t forget GSP finished Penn.
Diaz outbrawled Daley, who is a top 5 striker at WW. Diaz outboxed BJ Penn, one of the best boxers in all of MMA, Diaz forced the Natural Born Killer, to be a point fighter.
This thread must be done by someone who knows nothing about the sport, or fighting in general.
True, but being a top 5 striker doesn't cut in MMA.
He should try being a top 5 level fighter, and BJ Penn was out sized. Nick will fight a top level guy in his next fight and we’ll see what happens(I expect him to win).
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Penn likes to fight just like diaz. Whether its on the ground or on the feet he’s coming to fight.
by MrGrapplefan on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know nothing it seems to me try to rewatch the fight without the desire to hug diaz nuts and see Carlos trying to take his head off with hard shots!
Carlos never gave up like Diaz and kept to his game plan this is the UFC not a tough man contest. It seems the Diaz lovers are the ones who don’t know about martial arts its about respect i’ve been a nick diaz fan long before most of you knew what MMA was and I am now starting to loose respect for the attitude and the excuses plus the lack of respect for the sport.
It seems it's more important to have a win streak instead of beating top level guys these days.
But Nick Diaz fought near the same level as Carlos Condit last night and that says a lot to me. I say give him Kos because that’s a “top level” guy that I’m pretty convinced would get beat if he fought nick Diaz.
Now, count up your crimes!
I am not a Koz fan at all but I think Koz beats Diaz just like Rory beat his brother Nick will loose to top wrestlers as well it will not be pretty.
Boring match up most likely but I would love to see Nick come back and win some fights and be respectful if he looses. I am still a huge fan of Diaz but I am not approving of his disrespectful crying ways.
Diaz is a top 10 ten WW at the very least. Assuming Sanchez loses to Ellenburger I would like to see a Diaz and Sanchez fight again
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
i want to see diaz fight a wrestler.
I want him to fight Mike Pierce if he’s not retired that is.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 6, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I want to see who truely has advanced more if at all over eachother.
Diaz has the numbers but Sanchez has been facing the better fighters.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
i would say Diaz is far and away better.
Sanchez would try to push the pace but you saw what crisp striking did to him against Martin. Now imagine like 8 times the volume. And on the mat, diaz is much more patient and tight with his game. I dont expect him to be rolling around like their first fight. He would hold tight positions. It’s strange though analyzing diaz’s striking, i think his brother has developed a better boxing game for MMA. It seems that Nick still heavily relies on his opponents slowing down and getting cornered into one spot. Nate on the other hand has evolved to where he has an insane output with high accuracy while mobile. Nate’s boxing would have minced Condit because he can box while following his opponent but Nick cant or at least doesnt seem to try.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 6, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
You forgot Mike Aina bro ...
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 6, 2012 1:20 AM EST reply actions
Ridiculous
Nick Diaz is certainly 1 of the top fighters in the world…I think the lesson here is leg kicks, knees strikes and movement… octagon control is not just pushing foward
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#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
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Great Post
I agree with just about everything you wrote
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