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UFC 143 results recap: Carlos Condit vs Nick Diaz fight review and analysis

Carlos Condit (left) kicks Nick Diaz in the main event of UFC 143. Photo by Esther Lin via MMAFighting

The anticipation from hardcore MMA fans could not have been higher for the UFC 143 main event last night (February 4, 2012) between Carlos Condit and Nick Diaz with the interim UFC welterweight title on the line. Even more people were already getting hyped up for a super-fight between Nick Diaz and Georges St. Pierre.

But someone forgot to tell Carlos Condit that he was supposed to lose.

With both men's incredibly aggressive fighting styles, this fight was hyped up as one of the best of the year, and rightfully so. Unfortunately, the result wasn't nearly what many expected.

So how did "The Natural Born Killer" frustrate Diaz and score a unanimous decision and claim UFC gold? More importantly, where do both elite welterweights go next?

Follow me after the jump for our Carlos Condit vs. Nick Diaz UFC 143 post-fight review and analysis:

Star-divide

There was a large outpouring of anger from many who thought Diaz won, but I'll explain why Condit was the rightful victor. Just follow along.

Diaz has a reputation for being a slow starter and Condit took advantage, peppering the Stockton slugger's legs with repeated kicks while circling away from danger. While Diaz didn't throw many strikes in the first round, he kept a constant pressure on "The Natural Born Killer" by repeatedly channeling him towards the fence with terrific footwork. Condit, though, was not going to let himself be bullied, instead, quickly exploding away from being cornered and resetting again in the center of the cage.

This was a cycle which would repeat itself time and time again throughout the fight. Diaz thrives on cornering opponents along the fence and then unleashing huge flurries of strikes to overwhelm his opponents, but Condit was having none of it. On top of escaping danger, he would make sure to sneak in a big punch to the body or a leg kick in on the exit to make sure he was staying active while retreating.

Condit stuck to the gameplan in round two, although he began to mix in push kicks, front kicks, flying knees and spinning back fists/elbows. Diaz was not happy about this and began to taunt him, dropping his hands to his sides, even slapping the Greg Jackson-trained fighter in the face, but he couldn't get the Arizona native to deviate.

At one point, Diaz finally cornered Condit along the fence, throwing combinations of strikes to the body, but instead of panicking, the former WEC welterweight champion grabbed Diaz behind the head, threw a knee and again circled away from danger.

Rounds three and four were more of the same, except the big difference was Condit became much more fluid and comfortable near the end of the third. From that point on, not only was Condit clearly getting the better of the striking exchanges, he was starting to make infuriate the former Strikeforce standout. Diaz even began shooting in for takedowns, but wrestling is not his forte and he couldn't secure anything significant.

In the final round, Condit was once again well on his way to clearly outstriking Diaz, but he made a mistake and allowed his back to be taken with a minute left in the fight. Diaz tried to secure a choke and then an armbar, but Condit defended well, forcing a scramble at the final horn.

In the end, the judges awarded Carlos Condit a unanimous decision with scores of 48-47, 49-46 and 49-46. Here's why I think they made the correct call.

Nick Diaz was never able to find a rhythm - Diaz is at his best when unloading a huge volume of punches at his opponent along the fence. He can sneak in the power strikes to both the head and body because he's overloading his opponent's ability to defend and it's a terrific strategy but Carlos Condit never let him do it. Every time Diaz finally trapped Condit along the fence, "The Natural Born Killer" would escape and reset in the center.

Condit did not pull a Kalib Starnes - Yes, Carlos Condit was on his bicycle for much of the fight, circling away so much he gave the referee a huge workout but he was not running. While backing away, Condit would randomly explode forward with flying knees, punches, elbows and spinning back attacks as well as constantly throwing kicks both to the legs and body. Also, whenever he exploded away from danger when cornered along the fence, he almost always threw a huge punch to the body or a kick before doing so.

Forward movement doesn't mean you win - We've seen this with elusive fighters like Lyoto Machida and he's praised for it, but just because Carlos Condit wasn't moving forwards, doesn't mean he didn't win those rounds. Sure Nick Diaz was constantly moving forward, but he was not outstriking Condit. Check out the Fightmetric report if you don't believe me. The only round Diaz landed more than Condit was the second, and even that was only by three more significant strikes.

Condit never lost his composure - Despite Diaz's best efforts to talk trash, drop his hands, toy with him after the horn and even slap him in the face, Carlos Condit never deviated from his gameplan. He was instructed with a specific method for defeating Diaz and he kept at it despite the Stockton scrapper's best efforts to distract him and force him into a brawl, which is a fight Diaz would have had a much better shot at winning.

Nick Diaz never had a sense of urgency - In the final round, Nick Diaz received some horrible advice from his corner, telling him that they thought he was up 3-1. I don't care how biased you are with him being your brother, you can't do that to a fighter and make him believe he's ahead that badly when the fight is that close. (I actually scored the first four rounds for Condit, although the second round could have gone either way). By giving Nick a false sense of security, he wasn't nearly as aggressive in spending his energy as he could have been. He had plenty left in the tank when it was over. If he had been more active in pursuing Condit, it would have exaggerated his opponent's backward movement to a degree where the judges may have actually given him a few more rounds.

My final thought for those that are disappointed with the result is this. Stop being angry at Carlos Condit for not fighting the exact same way that the last 11 people have when they lost to Nick Diaz. If he had fought his normal style of crazy-aggressive forward action, Nick Diaz would have beat him. Plain and simple, he forced Nick Diaz to fight his fight instead, which was something that no one has done to Diaz in four years. He deserves some credit for that, not vilification.

Okay, back to the fallout of the fights:

For Nick Diaz, he truly only has himself to blame. He did not make adjustments to Condit's gameplan. He didn't pick up the pace despite clearly having plenty left in the tank at the end of the fight and he only checked about 10 percent of the leg kicks thrown his way, if that. Moving forward constantly doesn't automatically give you a win. Sure it looks better, but you have to land strikes too, and he didn't land nearly as many strikes as Condit did.

Diaz said he was quitting MMA in his post-fight speech. We don't know if that's all bluster or raw emotion from disappointment right now. Hopefully he's not actually going to step away because he's still one of the best in the world. There are still several great fights for Nick Diaz which practically promise excitement. One possibility is the upcoming loser of Diego Sanchez vs. Jake Ellenberger. The other is the winner of Martin Kampmann vs. Thiago Alves and the last one could be a rematch with Carlos Condit depending on whether or not the fans demand it.

For Carlos Condit, that was the picture perfect use of a gameplan to defeat a very tricky fighter. He never allowed Diaz to get into any sort of rhythm, he took advantage of a defensive liability and battered Diaz with leg kicks and eventually got comfortable enough to start mixing in combinations of his own. He earned this victory and no one should take it away from him simply because they wanted a Nick Diaz vs. Georges St. Pierre fight more or they wanted the fight to be more action-packed.

Next up for Condit will most likely be Georges St. Pierre depending on whether or not the champ is recovering as quickly as we've heard. Another possibility could be the winner of Diego Sanchez vs. Jake Ellenberger for one defense of the interim title or, while it's a long shot, a rematch with Nick Diaz. It all depends on how Georges St. Pierre's recovery is going. Either way, there's plenty of opportunity for interesting fights in a suddenly very wide open division.

So what did you think, Maniacs?

Despite my best efforts to persuade you otherwise, do you still think Nick Diaz won last night? Will Diaz stay retired? How will Carlos Condit fare against Georges St. Pierre if he indeed faces the reigning champion next?

Sound off!

For complete UFC 143 results, including blow-by-blow, fight-by-fight coverage of the entire event as well as immediate post-fight reaction click here, here and here.

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I scored for Diaz. After sobering up, looking at numbers, replaying the fight over in my mind I get why there was a 48-47 score. But I don’t agree with the two 49-46 scores.

You can make an argument for a 3-2 win for either fighter. But after all was said and done, Carlos won the fight with effective use of movement, and landing more strikes and combinations: the kicks really did make the difference.

As a fan, I wish he had pressed forward more, but he got he nod because of he was out landing and keeping pace a man who usually outpaces everyone and blows up fight metric.

Don’t downplay Diaz, which I am sure many will. People are already saying he was “found out” “exposed” so on and so forth. He’s an elite level welterweight who didn’t implement his game plan. How many times has that happened to other fighters? Plenty.

I doubt Diaz will truly retire, he’ll take a few weeks/months and figure out he wants to keep fighting. Condit won for a reason, and the sooner some fans accept that the happier they will be. In a rematch, I don’t know who I would take. When I wrote up my preview last week I wasn’t sure who to pick: I picked Diaz because I was half expecting a repeat of Diaz/Cerrone.

Neither man loses very often, so don’t troll ladies and gents, and don’t get overly emotional about it, there’s no reason too.

Awesome fight!

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I don't always drink

but when I do, it’s during MMA events

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

not the box shit I hope

I get wine when I make dinner for chicks, they seem to think it’s romantic

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

lmao

we call that redneck wine!

by fourthntwenty on Feb 5, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Not boxed shite

actual wine, chicks love the opening of the bottle with the candles and shit ;)

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

there you go Wolf...

Sobered up did we? Too many expectations of a “dog-fight” and warrior-mentality lead too many people to get truly pissed off around here! Some times warriors use what they have & deny their opponent the opportunity for success, and that’s what we saw. At points during the fight my girl was confused & asked me when Condit was gonna “fight”..I responded by asking me how would SHE fight me? She said she’d hit me & move bcuz she couldn’t risk getting to close to me & letting ME work…I just smiled & shortly after that she “ok…DUH! I got it now, but that wasn’t what all the ADS said was gonna happen!” Damn marketing got in the way of the sport again

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by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so proud of myself

for showing TRUE objectivity & seeing the clear winner in last nights main event, even when I picked Diaz to win.
None of you are the man I am!

by _Felix_ on Feb 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

lol

you got mad last night didn’t you?

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

EVERYONE was mad

I was stunned going through the live thread.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw that too

it was insane. I was mad, but I stopped drinking like round 4 and started sobering up. started thinking about it.

There will always be people who think Diaz was robbed, he wasn’t in a very close fight. I’m more surprised that people are saying more about Koscheck winning. Fight Metric easily gives it to Pierce….
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/koscheck-vs-pierce-official-ufc.html

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah Pierce

that’s the one you guys should be pissed about. Pierce got fucking ROBBED

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure who to give it to last night

But I think it was a name against a no name I don’t know…. maybe the judges just scored it for Kos’s takedowns

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what I fear

even though he didn’t do jack shit with them and Pierce got up pretty quickly

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

No

I actually had Condit 49-46.
I can be objective and not mentally weak like all you roundmouths.

by _Felix_ on Feb 5, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

humble aren't we?

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

and I truly picked Diaz to win.
The GSP/Condit fight is going to be a borefest: GSP will just take him down at will and not be able to finish him. Another decision win for GSP.
Only way Condit has a chance is to finish him quick and in the fashion he did against Hardy and Stun Gun. I dont see it happening though.

by _Felix_ on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I am gonna pick GSP to win as well

and I really dislike GSP.

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he has a better chance then Diaz would have

Diaz’ n wrestlers dont go together. Condit can scramble from his back and be diverse with his attacks

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

CONDIT IS AWESOME....

ON HIS BACK ALSO!!! It won’t be a borefest! Condit was already supposed to fight GSP…WHY WOULD HE PLAY INTO DIAZ’S GAMEPLAN? He had a plan and stuck with it! HE WON! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! P.S. “DIAZ ACTED LIKE A LIL BABY AFTER THE FIGHT”

by fourthntwenty on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Im at least half the man felix is though...

Working my way to 3/4 the man you are, and then one day, 100% the man you are felix…

by dragonassault on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hmmmmm

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff man

Didnt see the fight, (at the mother in laws house) so it seems i really missed something. But i can always count on mania to bring me up to speed…

by dragonassault on Feb 5, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

+1

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol

It got revoked the day i said “i do”

by dragonassault on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tsk tsk..newlywed are ya? veteran's know better..

You order the fight at the in-laws & dash while conviently “forgetting” to pay the tab..I’ll school you young’un!

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by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Married 6 years now

But i could use a few tips here and there. Lol, it was a fuckin night of lifetime channel. When ya see me shoot me…

by dragonassault on Feb 5, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll forever think Diaz won that fight

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

may I ask what rounds you gave to Diaz?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

1 2 and 5

condit didnt find his rhythm until the third. all the leg kicks he threw in the first 2 were not full power and he rarely if at all landed with his spinning stuff and head kicks. Diaz landed his best shots in the first 2 rounds. Round 5 the stand up was about even, then Diaz took the back securing the win imo

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

he didn't find his rhythm until the third, that's true

but Diaz didn’t do jack shit in the first. He just plodded forward and let Condit kick the shit out of his legs

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you

the rhythm didnt flow till the 3 and 4th, diaz landed the more effective stikes in rounds 1 and 2 and was pushing the pace which shows aggression and octagon control i would think. round 5 diaz won hands down

by Scrapyjitsu on Feb 5, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

you guys seriously need to rewatch the first round

Diaz hardly threw any strikes and just plodded forward eating leg kicks. That was one of the most obvious Condit rounds

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

come on Hemmi

every single person watching it live commenting gave it to Diaz

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

so two people?

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

no

there were about 15 commenting on mania while the fight happened. they all gave round 1 2 and 5 to Diaz

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you meant the actual commentators that were there live...

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

my mistake

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Also... I didnt give Diaz the 1st rd

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not joking

go watch the first round again. I watched it 4 times now. Condit clearly took it

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.. its crazy to me how people are

unable to score fights objectively. They are so blinded by their feelings for one fighter that they think everything they do is better than the opponent even when they are clearly losing

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

How the fuck can u say someone is blind

when judging by ur sig u had obvious motive to say condit won?

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Condit did win!

My motive is watching the fights objectively and scoring the fights by who the actual winner is. I dont give a shit about a sig bet. That doesnt change the fact that Diaz lost. Give me a break.

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaz won

we disagree. im done here

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually he didnt...

He officially lost. The loss is on his record forever because he lost

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

now ur purposely being annoying

good to know

Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"

by The Pride on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

its crazy to me how people are

saying that I can’t disagree with them without being completely biased and, probably, a diaz nuthugger. These two are my two favorite fighters in the division…and I was rooting for a great fight. Unlike most of the meatheads out there, I believe that this was a great fight…brawler vs. tactitian (look for this to be the new version of the “Classic Striker vs Grappler” in the coming years), and we were treated to an amazing fight…the thing is, I just feel that Diaz was more effective. It really is an unbiased opinion, and I CAN see how someone would have condit 48-47, but definately not 49-46.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

difinitely*

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That is a good post

I dont agree that Diaz won but it is still a good post

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

the opposite for me

condit landed 5 kicks in the fist minute then diaz started pushing him back while they exchanged high kicks.Diaz go off with a few one twos while condit backpedalled diaz for me

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

3-2 couldve gone either way for me

but Condit did more in the latter rounds and the constant leg kicks I think is what slowed diaz down from round 3 onwards

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

it wasn't just the leg kicks

Condit was throwing big body punches and body kicks too. He was doing everything he could to slow Diaz down.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he landed some great shots moving away from the cage too

I said to my pal during the fight that this is the gameplan Cowboy shouldve gone with against Nate

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yup watch this one

Diaz lands a nice strike along the fence and Condit slugs him with a huge body punch before juking back to the center.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

that strike was kinda sneaky, I like it.

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

it was good

but you can’t score it like a kickboxing match. its not always one strike landed = one strike landed…you have to look at the effect it had on each guy. Condit didn’t just turn off the fence and trap Diaz there, he didn’t want any more shots like that…he continued backpedaling right across the cage after this exchange. Which strike, then, was more effective?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Condit wasnt moving because he was hurt

We had a plan and stuck to it. He didnt want to stay in the more dangerous position when he had better opportunities by standing in the center of the octagon

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Sour grapes

what would you expect him to do just stand against the cage and play into Diaz’s game…

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

all I can say about the constant movement of Carlos

I wish he had moved forward a bit more and was more aggressive. But still I get why he won.

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

he did manage to throw flying knees, spinning back fist/elbows, front kicks and push kicks

He was just selective on when he exploded forwards.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

like this

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

best thing he did the whole fight I thought

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

and...

it didn’t even phase Diaz. How can it be considered EFFECTIVE striking if it doesn’t AFFECT your opponent?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

because it did affect diaz

just because he wasn’t wabbled doesn’t mean he didn’t react which he clearly did

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

how can it be octogon control and agression...

when you cant catch your opponent and land devistating strikes?

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

what was devastating?

about any strike either fighter landed…

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

thats what i ment

when you cant catch your opponent or land devistating strikes***

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda want to try that in sparring now

I like that combo

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

very true

but some of the time it looked desperate to me… not aggressive. If that makes any sense

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It looked a little awkward at times

but I think desperate is inaccurate. It was more like he was using an approach that was foreign to him, so it was a bit unpolished.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a better word

the spinning back fists just looked…. not right to me I guess…. it was strange

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

its almost as if condit was AFFECTED by Diaz’s striking.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Condit could have been more agressive

He would have put himself in harms way.

If he would of gotten caught in the corner a few more times, Diaz would have won the fight.

Also, at the pace Condit was going, most of his shots/kicks were only 50-75 percent…Not typical of him.

Condit won because he stuck to the plan and didn’t freak out.

Maybe that is the mark of a great fighter…You can adjust your gameplan.

Nick Diaz wanted to fight HIS fight, which is his only fighting style anymore. Why not…he wins.

Stupid Signature Goes Here

by DubNub on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

carlos"what do you expect worked with gj" condit

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

throw me a fricken bone scott!

condit- 13 kos, 13 subs, 2 decisions… One to Ellenberger and then Diaz, both tought as shit

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

If you’re gonna win a fight on leg kicks then you better bring some Aldo/Shogun like leg kicks. At this level those leg kicks shouldn’t cut it, let’s be honest.

Nick also fought a terrible fight, although I though he won 3 rounds to 1.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

no one cares dumbo

by you saying u think diaz won, some people will probably now rethink their opinion

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

As they should, this is coming from someone who picked Condit to win.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i wanted condit to win

ii scored the fight for condit, but honestly like both fighters and it wouldnt have upset me either way.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I had Condit winning the fight

Watching the fight, it was evident that Diaz couldn’t do what he wanted to. Sort of reminiscent of the Diaz/Cerrone fight, only in reverse.

Initially, Condit’s approach looked like he wasn’t inclined to engage, but as the fight continued, he showed that his gameplan was to frustrate Nick and punish him in small doses.

It was a clear victory, if not the most entertainnig. Condit deserves credit for not getting dragged into a brawl that would have increased Diaz’ chances for a win.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

THIS

Exactly. It’s like people are angry at Condit for not letting Diaz do what he wanted to do

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Condit showed that mentally he is as strong as they come

Diaz pulled all of his mind tricks, bumping heads, talking shit, and ever pulling out the stockton slap and still Condit didnt let his anger get the better of him

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Horrible Fight!

You cant win fights like that, When did we stop scoring agression and octagon control?. This fight looked more like boxing, and if this is how mma is going to look like and scored like in the future then f*ck this !

by Frankieboy on Feb 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

cya then

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

goodbye then

I’d rather have people who appreciate the sport.

You don’t just get to win because you move forward. You actually have to land strikes too. I can’t believe so many people just assumed Diaz won because he was walking forwards. That only matters when the striking and grappling are even, but Condit clearly outstruck him.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly i just got banned from BE from telling all the diaz nuthuggers to fuck off soo its cool. god its just so damn sweet to watch how immature are sport really is. like now im sure theres only like maybe 30% of people who actually get it. like come on cecil peoples was a judge of this fight the dude who said leg kicks dont win fights and welll

like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"

by Mac Marley on Feb 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

just as immature as nick diaz throwing a wobbly and being a sore loser last night

by saying he doesnt need this shit lol it made me laugh

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah to me, that was like an infant throwing a tantrum

because he couldn’t get his way. Gimme a break.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats how I see it too

He is a whiner thru and thru. He got beat fair and square. I cant see how anyone thought Diaz won that fight. All he did was walk forward and not implement his game plan. The only thing that Nick showed was more aggression. Everything else he lost.

Why the hell are people wanting to give Nick the final round because Carlos slipped and Nick got his back? Nick has the best jj in the division yet he couldnt get the choke and even got swept at the end? Its laughable. All the blindness is ridiculous to say the least.

Sorry to you Diaz fanboys. He lost without a doubt. Gonna have to live with it

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, when both fighters don’t have a scratch on their face and can go another 5 rounds after just fighting for 5, I’m not satisfied with the result.

That’s a result of Condit not engaging and to put it simple, running away. At the end of the fight it just didn’t feel like there was a winner.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i strangely sorta agree with you

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Feb 5, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

did you see Diaz's face? lol

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by Rampagelangford on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea no kidding

Diaz looked jacked up and Carlos looked pretty unscathed

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep coming back

or don’t

Look at Diaz face, Condit put on a striking CLINIC!!

I am so surprised at how many people missed the boat on this

I get it, they wanted to guys go brawl, then really you are watching the wrong sport. What Condit did was go out and tattoo one of the best boxers in MMAs face. Look at Diaz after the fight, who else does that to him (striking)

You should NEVER go toe to toe, you should ALWAYS circle away and counter strike when someone is marching you down – ALWAYS.

The same guys mad about Condit not standing still and trading would be SO PISSED OFF, if Werdum had gone out there and but scooted around the ring like he did against Overeem.

They wouldn’t be mad at Overeem for not grappling with him.

Yet since Condit didn’t fight Nicks fight they are pissed?

I don’t get it

by jtc5150 on Feb 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So nick was just sponsored by Nike?

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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

take Diaz with you

Strikeforce is looking pretty good, isn’t it HOMMIE?

by charlyw on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

lol it be really funny if he goes back to strikeforce like really wow i guess you really like your honda huh?

like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"

by Mac Marley on Feb 5, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

he was aggressive but in no way did Diaz control the octagon.

every time the fight went somewhere that Condit didn’t want it to he moved back to the center of the ring. while doing that he was engaging and striking. he hit Diaz nearly every time he moved off the cage.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 5, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Frankieboy

this is the only response you’re gonna get from me for posting what you posted.

by GodDamnMike on Feb 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

learn to reply

and gtfo

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I thought Diaz won, but we can all agree when someone needs to go

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Feb 5, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

i will have
have fun being in love with fighters who dont grow the fuck up and be a man

like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"

by Mac Marley on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

did you think that Machida vs. Shogun I was boring?

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

There was a fool on here last weekend that told me to check out the WWE

I was making the case that MMA is a fight first, and a sport second, and he thought I should therefore watch big time wrestling instead.

The Diaz/Condit fight last night was a good examplle of employing a strategy in a fight that resulted in a victory for the smarter approach. I would have liked to see a brutal back and forth slobberknocke, but the reality that this is also a sport was played out last night in appropriate fashion. I was a good win for Condit.

Go check out the WWE. I think it’s more suited to your appetite.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s also important to note that Diaz landed more strikes to the head in 4 rounds, took Condits back in 1. So those leg kicks won Condit the fight, those tap and run leg kicks won him the fight. That’s just not enough for me, you have to bring more offense to win. You tell me he won via leg kicks, OK, show me Diaz’ leg. They did no damage.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Condit landed more kicks last night

than any fighter in UFC history. Just some food for thought for you.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

68 is the record?

How many did Forrest have?

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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

none of them could be considered EFFECTIVE

considering that Diaz was taunting him and walking THROUGH each and every one. As a judge, you can’t just be tallying strikes that land…it clearly states in the rulebook that they should be looking for EFFECTIVE striking, and they weren’t.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

By the same token...

how effective were Diaz’ strikes? Condit didn’t look to be sustaining much damage from what Diaz was landing.

So who looked more battered at the end of the fight?

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaz's strikes

forced condit—a normally aggressive fighter—to retreat and backpedal for 5 rounds. He wasn’t backing up just because Diaz was walking straight at him, not throwing.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

So if a fighter "forces" his opponent to bob and weave.....

he’s the winner? It’s called defense.

That’s what Condit employed to his best advantage last night while simultaneously executing his own offense. It was a great performance.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Anderson Silva "bobs and weaves"

Carlos Condit backpedaled the entire fight. there IS a difference. If i wasn’t computer illiterate id post the gif of silva ducking and diving strikes right next to condit backpedaling so you can se the difference.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

you missed the point

bobbing, weaving, footwork (sidestepping, “backpedalling”), are all defensive measures. You can’t just vilify one without throwing out the whole notion of defense.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

no its not

when you “bob and weave” you are keeping yourself in a position to deal damage back to your opponent. backpedaling takes your offense out of the equation entirely.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

How is escaping

and resetting taking offense entirely out of the equation?

Condit would reset and be in a postion to execute some offense. That just seems like a fighter choosing not to take unnecessary damage to me.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

i see your point

but when he reset his offense, how often did he put that offense to work? Exactly how many steps backwards did Diaz take in that fight? Everyone says that Condit won, but Diaz barely reacted when he got hit at all. Even the headkicks didn’t affect Nick. Its EFFECTIVE striking, and only one fighter was AFFECTED by their opponents strikes.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

and yet he still out struck Diaz

i was so hyped on this fight. it didn’t deliver what i wanted it to but it was an entertaining fight. i think as a fan of MMA we need to embrace or at least accept the fact that defence and game planning and point scoring are now a huge part of this sport. at this stage we either need to all in of piss the fuck off.
i love me a brawl. the Hendo/Rua fight for me was epic in its brutality.
i love me a well executed fight as well. the second Penn/Edgar fight was epic in its tactical effectiveness.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 5, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

that execution of a gameplan is essential to win in mma. but my point is that Condit was affected by Diaz’s strikes, and you can’t say the same for the other way around.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

at no point in time was Condit rocked

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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 5, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

there are more was to affect a fighter

than simply rocking them. neither fighter was rocked. So which fighter had to alter their course due to their opponents strikes? Which fighter was taking themselves out of striking range in response to a flurry of strikes?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

not in response to the flurry of strikes

but to avoid a huge volume of strikes that was coming if he stayed with his back against the fence. I can’t understand why you can’t comprehend this simple tactic.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa there

I can’t understand how you refuse to acknowledge that Carlos freaking Condit is NOT going to back up to the fence over and over and over again (for 25 minutes) by NOT getting punched.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

he wasn't fored to retreat at all - his gameplan from the get go was to stick and move, counter-strike and circle off the cage

he outstruck diaz both in total numbers and in that effective strikes landed and thrown not too mention setting the record for total number of kicks. Diaz came to brawl and hoped he’d suck Condit in. Condit came to win and stuck to his gameplan.

Life's what happens while you're making other plans

by LGoofus on Feb 5, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s cool with me, but how effective were those kicks? They HAVE to do some damage as far as I’m concerned. Diaz landed more strikes to the head, just like Machida did to Shogun in their first fight, but Shogun managed to do serious damage with kicks, and STILL that wasn’t enough. Are you telling me those kicks packed more power than Ruas?

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

my sentiments exactly.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, Hemmi.

No controversy at all. Condit won and pretty easy imo. “Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee”

Facebook is for gays!!

by MMACHAMP on Feb 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

at which point

did Diaz react as if he was “stung like a bee?” Ali did damage when he hit you.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

you are acting like Diaz rocked Condit every time he threw something

when he clearly didn’t

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

not at all

but Diaz’s strikes DID force condit to backpedal for 5 rounds…do you think Carlos wouldve moved backwards if Nick was just walking towards him, not throwing anything? look, i like Condit just as much as Diaz, and I know hes going to beat GSP, but I think that Diaz won the fight last night.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Condit wasn't moving because of the strikes Diaz was throwing

It was because of the strikes Diaz was CAPABLE of throwing when he has his opponent cornered against the fence.

Does that make sense?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

he didn't start at the fence

they started in the middle of the octagon. Diaz started throwing. Condit started throwing. Diaz wasn’t affected, so he kept throwing. Condit started backpedaling.

Does that make sense?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s where Octagon contol and agreesion comes into play, again, favors Diaz.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

absolutely

factor in that diaz got the only TD and dominant position of the fight…and he won all three facets of judging, imo.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaz didn't throw strikes in the middle

You are not remembering the fight correctly one bit. The only fighter throwing strikes in the middle was Condit, but Diaz maneuvered Condit towards the fence with good footwork. Then and only then did he start to throw strikes and THAT’S when Condit would move back to the center. That’s not running away. Diaz does that to nearly everyone he fights, channeling them towards the fence.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah that sounds just like Condit...

to just start in the middle throwing strikes at a guy who is not throwing back, and just back up to the fence over and over. yep, im sure.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

then watch the fight

I’m starting to believe you didn’t watch it, that you’re just a Diaz fan who is angry he didn’t win.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re sounding like a Condit fan, refusing to look at the facts.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The facts?

Like the fact that Condit out struck Diaz and it doesnt matter that you will have no idea how much leg kicks actually hurt?

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

They don’t hurt more than getting punched in the face, which Diaz did more of. That’s just a fact, it doesn’t matter if you don’t like Diaz or you like Condit, Diaz landed more strikes to the dome.

Most of Condits leg stikes were thrown as he was walking back, so how significant were they? Maybe if Condit moved forward and threw them he might have been able to pack more power, but that’s where octagon control and aggression comes into play.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

More proof that you are not a fighter

Leg kicks hurt like a mofo. I have felt more pain taking leg kicks than getting punched in the face. I am not going to get knocked out by a leg kick, but I sure as hell am going to slow way down and be looking to avoid taking another one

Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week

by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

He threw them moving backwards, more defensive than anything. Diaz won the exchanges by landing more shots to the dome.

It doesn’t matter, if Condits thinks tapping GSP’s leg while moving back he’s in for a shock. He will get embarrassed.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

-100

Condit is going to KO GSP. No lie. Either fighter last night was/is would win vs. gsp.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If Condit employs the same tactic in not engaging and relying pitted patter leg kicks moving backwards he’s getting beat, easily, by anyone fast and with footwork.

Why do you think he struggled with Rory and Ellen? Because they walked through that leg tap and smashed him.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

its a classic GSP tactic,

just I think that Carlos is better than GSP, so he will be able to beat GSP at his own game, i guess.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

and...

hes a wayyy different fighter now than he was back then. give him some credit for improvement.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

jacardin agree 100%

rory and ellenberger are both young fighters with bright futures.
danago the whole fighting on the defense doesnt matter. His plan was to be a defensive fighter and not get sucked in like everyone else. mission accomplished and has the title.
GSP is getting KO’d by Condit

by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

really dude?

youre supposed to be a writer here…have some professionalism. For the record: Diaz AND Condit are my two favorite fighters in the division. I was rooting for a great fight, and (unlike many meatheads out there) I believe I got one! Brawler vs. Technician is an amazing matchup that we are treated to more and more as the old guard is phased out. I enjoyed all 25 minutes of the fight, I just personally feel like Diaz had more EFFECTIVE striking, forcing the usually aggressive Condit to adjust and fight a defensive strategy. However, instead of throwing power like he normally does, he was backpedaling the entire time, barely ever planting his leg and throwing a strike that AFFECTED Diaz.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

your effect/affect argument is flawed. Diaz never rocked Condit and at no point in that fight could we say that Carlos was affected by any thing that Nick threw at him.
Nick was more aggressive, no one can argue that. his aggression had no effect on the fight. at no point was Condit affected by Nicks aggression.
Condit controlled the octagon. plainly every time he was in a position he didn’t want to be he effectively moved himself back to the center of the ring, mostly throwing strike whie doing so. this tactic affected Nicks ability’s the whole fight and rendered Nicks attempt at octagon control….ineffective.

"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow

by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

But Carlos WAS affected

He wasn’t backing up because Nick Diaz WASN’T throwing strikes at him. Diaz ate everything Condit threw at him, and walked through it unphased. Carlos was the one that backpedaled in response to Diaz throwing strikes. I know nobody was rocked, but Condit WAS affected (he moved back!) and Diaz WASN’T affected by each others strikes. I dont see how my reasoning is flawed.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

but Diaz wasn't throwing strikes when Condit moved backwards

that’s what I’m trying to tell you. Most of the time, Diaz was just positioning Condit towards the fence with good footwork because that’s his specialty. He wasn’t throwing strikes, he was just moving forward aggressively and cutting off escape routes.

When Diaz actually started to throw strikes, it was because he finally had Condit where he wanted him and THAT’S when Condit moved back to the center of the cage. In my opinion, that’s just Condit being smart and disrupting Diaz’s rhythm.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

this guy

you keep saying that Diaz doesn’t throw strikes, just all of the great fighters he has fought through the years just happen to back up to the fence over and over again—not because of the striking—but the footwork ONLY. I don’t doubt that his footwork puts him in good position to deal damage to his opponents once they get to the fence, but by no means will I ever consider that all of these great fighters are dancing their way back to the cage. Insane.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

dancing their way back to the cage...

without getting punched in the process*

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Almost all of Diaz's best output

is once he gets his opponents cornered along the fence.

He seriously is a completely different fighter in the center of the cage.

I’m begging you, Please, please, please, please, please watch this fight with Condit again and see if Diaz is backing Condit up with strikes or if he’s backing him up with footwork.

I’ve watched it 5 times now. He does it with footwork.

You’re arguing with me and you only watched the fight once.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

you think Condit doesn't know

that Diaz’s best output comes when his opponent is on the fence? He knew, and yet he consistently found himself having to circle off the cage. Diaz walked him backwards with punches, all the way to the cage, time and again. Just because Diaz wasn’t able to unload (Newsflash: NEITHER FIGHTER WAS ABLE TO DO SO) doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything to put Condit on the fence in the first place. And ask Carlos yourself—he wasn’t dancing his way back to the cage, he was responding to strikes that were AFFECTING his position in the octagon.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm say a defensible argument is always flawed when we are dealing w/ parameters of opinion

the judging of a fight is basically a paid position in which you are presenting your opinion to the masses.
you and i would have judged the fight differently. the 3 judges there didn’t even agree on how each round is judged

"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow

by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

but my question doesn't deal with opinion:

at which point did you see a strike from Condit land, and then AFFECT Diaz??? When did Diaz take steps backwards? When was he staggered? When was he rocked? When did Carlos force HIM to adjust due to a flurry or barrage of strikes? When did Diaz start to limp due to all of these vaunted leg kicks??? Anyone?!?! Hemi, you can get in on this as well. These questions are directed towards you as well.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This is not true

Many times Carlos would start backing up even before Nick threw a punch.

Boozer sucks.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it's called maneuvering

Diaz is a master at it. He can position his opponents so their back is to the fence and that’s when he pounces. It’s just how he moves in the cage. It wasn’t because Diaz was throwing strikes

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

so by your count...

Nick Diaz put Smith, Shamrock, Daley, Cyborg, Penn, and Condit, all on the fence…not because of his striking, no never that…but because of his footwork only?!?!?! Yeah, im sure that all of those guys are the types of guys that will back up to the cage WITHOUT getting a flurry of punches to the face/head/arms/chest/stomach…sounds right to me…

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

please, I beg you watch Diaz fight

His footwork is almost always what puts his opponents with their backs against the fence. You almost never see him slugging it out in the center.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Trust me

I had to study him a ton in the lead-up to this fight.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

you never see him slug it out, ever.

thats his game. stockton slap you with a flurry of punches that, individually, wouldn’t ever put you down, but together force great fighters (great STRIKERS!) to move backwards.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

no, you haven't

Notice anything familiar with these big attacks from Diaz?

All those big flurries start when he finally has his opponent trapped with their back against the fence.

He doesn’t do this when he’s in the center of the cage hardly ever. He waits to pounce until he positions his opponents to the cage with good footwork.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

dude...

the gifs START when his opponents are ALREADY on the fence!!! How dim do you think I am??? AND PLUS…the bottom gif clearly shows DIAZ PUNCHING FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE HEXAGON AND WALKING HIM BACK TO THE CAGE WITH STRIKES!!! Are you daft, man?!?!?!

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

^this

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

right!?!?!

i thought i was crazy at first…Dude completely contradicted himself with his own gifs.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

actually he was agreeing with me

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

^this

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

BOOM

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

well in that case

youre both wrong.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

All I ask

is rewatch the fight with Condit. If Diaz is backing Condit up with punches, I will pay you $20. If Condit is getting backed up primarily with footwork, you owe me $100 dollars (MMA writer’s gotta eat).

Deal?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

deal

donezo.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

easiest 20 ive ever made

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

good

I am eagerly awaiting an apology for all this nonsense.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

look at the bottom gif man!!! Diaz lands SIX UNANSWERED PUNCHES before Smith touches the cage….that really looks like a flurry that starts in the middle of the cage, and puts his opponent on the fence.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

he pressed him back with strikes

but the flurries were only once get gets them back against he cage, same thing with the BJ Penn fight.

When they were in the center it was much closer, once he had Penn against the fence is when he unloaded on him.

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement

by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

wait for it...

“he pressed him back with strikes” goes completely AGAINST the point Hemmi was making.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

his foot work was just as important man

good footwork controls everything. It was what helps me the most when dealing with guys who bounce around. Diaz has good footwork which does exactly what Brian says. I agree with him

I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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by wolfman13 on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

not denying that at all...

but it was hemi who said that Diaz’s opponents move backwards to the fence solely because of his footwork. He actually said that Diaz doesn’t throw strikes in the middle of the octagon. that is rediculous, especially for a guy that supposedly ‘studied diaz’ for this fight.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say never

I said primarily footwork, and I’d go as far as to say 75% or more with just footwork.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

and no you said:

his opponents dont move backwards due to strikes, that they move backwards due to footwork. you refuse to acknowledge that Condit WAS AFFECTED by the striking in the center (or he wouldn’t have moved back to the cage again and again)…and you are scoring the fight like a kickboxing match, ignoring how EFFECTIVE the strikes were.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he better pay up that $100

I’ve got his IP address haha

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

why does it keep saying i post that after your comments?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh nvm

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

thats funny

because i was just thinking of ways I can collect my $20…just watched the fight again. Diaz was wading forward with punches, (some were landing, some weren’t) and Condit reacted by moving backwards. In the second half of three, and all of four, Condit turned it on and won those two rounds. I give Nick rounds 1, 2, and 5 based on EFFECTIVE STRIKING, EFFECTIVE GRAPPLING (in round 5), and OCTAGON CONTROL. You can use my IP address to get a hold of me now so I can collect my Andrew Jackson.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

^^^^

well said. completely agree. This Brian Hemminger guy is so annoying….

@AmyLWhite

by AmyLWhite on Feb 6, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

no but really though

your point about diaz NOT using strikes to get his opponents on the cage is completely contradicted by the bottom gif that you posted. explain what I am seeing there.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaz still landed more strikes to the head in 4 rounds, regardless what you think.

So the question is, do you score those kind of leg kicks over a strike to the face. Those leg kicks shouldn’t be winning fights.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Condit wasn't fored to retreat at all. His gameplan from the get go was to stick and move, counter-strike and circle off the cage

he outstruck diaz in the total number of strikes and in the effective strikes both landed and thrown, not too mention setting the record for total number of kicks thrown. That’s not running. That’s not getting sucked into Diaz’s style of fight. Diaz came to brawn (which may have been more entertaining) but Condit came to win and executed his plan extremely well.

Life's what happens while you're making other plans

by LGoofus on Feb 5, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the sport and all...

its just that I had Diaz winning the fights. Sure, he was taking shots, but they weren’t AFFECTING him, so you can’t really say they were EFFECTIVE strikes, can you? Diaz, meanwhile, was controlling how the fight was taking place (making the normally aggressive Condit backpedal for 5 rounds, hit the cage, eat some body shots, and then circle off. Sure, there were some spinning back elbows and other things to try and anticipate Nick walking straight in, but nothing really made Diaz react. I can argue, though, that Diaz’s striking forced Condit to move and adjust. That being said, who had more effective striking? Look, I like Condit just as much as Diaz, so I just wanted a good fight…and unlike alot of these meatheads, I believe I got one. I just call it like I see it: Diaz, 48-47, with Condits flurry during the second half of 3 and dominance in round 4 winning him those two rounds.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

"CODE BLUE"

not sure if any one else heard it in condits corner, prob meant to circle out, even if he had to run out which he did alot.

by Scrapyjitsu on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Diaz calls himself the most well rounded fighter in the WORLD, what a joke!

this fight clearly showed that he has many corners to polish. He is good ONLY when his opponents play his game. Carlos was too smart for that game and too smart for Diaz. Diaz did nothing other than come forward and trash talk. Hommie boy should put on some headphones and go do the goose step down San Fran streets. He showed nothing in LA. Take your marbles and run, little boy just like Penn. At least Penn had an execuse. He’s a spoiled little rich boy and his mother was calling him home. What’s you execuse hommie?

by charlyw on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Diaz won, but it was close

So I wouldn’t say it was a robbery.

As a fan, I get disappointed when fighters sell out any chance to go for a finish.

If a fighter decides to play it safe, at least be the aggressor. Imo Condit didn’t dictate anything.

I believe you can put on exciting shows and still fight safe. There were any times where Carlos landed a combo and refused to continue. It cheapens the match and leaves the fight a bit empty. Carlos certainly didnt give it everything he had, and the fans could tell.

Some mma fans may call it smart, and I can understand that, and to go further , they would say it became a “chess match”, but it was only a chess match where one person won because the timer went off even tho both sides had more then half their pieces. Again, hollowing out the victory.

Diaz lost it emotionally, but I believe he could still get another title shot fairly quickly because of how much heart and determination he brings to the fight. Dana isn’t stupid , he knows that fans gravitate to him. Hopefully nick can calm down, take a break for a while and come back hungry again.

Boozer sucks.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think watching his brother fight Jim MIller at the second UFC on FOX show

will light a fire under him again. He’ll be back for sure.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Who corned Carlos in this fight?

Frankie Edgar? Sounds like he wanted to dance the night away while doing as little as possible but to put on a pitter patter display for the judges.

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by AhQueeNo on Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

you disgust me

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Nothing wrong with how Carlos fought. He just lost, IMO.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see a rematch

Dana was pretty open to the idea, if GSP is injured i think a rematch would make sense, this fight was pretty close.

I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.

by elmojo on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Ok JACardin

I just watched the fight AGAIN and Nick Diaz keeps his hands up and walks forward nearly the entire time. He hardly ever throws any strikes until Condit is against the fence. He maneuvered him there with footwork and the threat of punches.

Please be a man of your word and pay up.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

His hands are up like he had them in his weigh-in staredown

He’s not throwing them out there to back Condit up. He’s just walking forwards with his hands up. That’s all it takes when you have amazing footwork.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like amazing footwork

just walking forwards with your hands up. I watched it again just as you…condit was reacting to the shots diaz was throwing…Nick would stalk him, get in range, and throw. Then, Condit would continue to back up to the fence, eat a body shot, and circle off. Im watching it right now.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I give rounds 3 and 4 to condit

no doubt about it…and round 1 is close. But I definitely give Diaz rounds 2 and 5. I also give a close round 1 to Nick.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

are you watching this fight from a different dimension?

There’s no way you can still be this wrong after watching the fight looking at how he backs up

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay...

So EVEN IF you were right…all that proves is that Condit was backing up without even getting thrown at. Doesn’t sound like a guy that won the fight.

But I digress. I DO NOT agree that Condit got backed up to the cage over and over just because of diaz’s footwork, and not at all because of the strikes. If that were the case, how did Diaz outland Condit to the head? We all know that Condit barely stayed still long enough to get hit!!!! That means that Nick was throwing AND LANDING while Carlos was backpedaling back and forth across the octagon all fight.

As a writer I would kind of expect you to have the ability to set aside your fanhood when you post, but I guess not.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

are you serious?

I looked at this fight as objectively as possible. Please don’t insult my intelligence.

Almost all of Diaz’s head shots that he landed were in 2-4 punch combinations once Condit was backed into the fence before he exploded back to the center of the cage to start the process all over again.

It’s that simple

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

okay so..

this whole thing started because my point was that Carlos Condit did not AFFECT Nick Diaz with his strikes, and that Nick Diaz DID AFFECT Carlos Condit with his punches/kicks. I’m pretty sure that all you have been doing is saying that Carlos Condit wasn’t affected by Diaz’s striking because he backed up to the cage “only because of his footwork.” And then you said that Diaz landed almost all of his headshots with Carlos against the cage. (I’m pretty sure if Carlos ate 62 Headshots against the cage, more than 8 of them wouldve been power. You use your JAB to move an opponent back, you use power when he’s standing there on the ropes/cage and you can put him down.)
My point: Diaz won the fight. He cause Carlos to back up to the cage over and over. He was UNAFFECTED by all of Carlos’ strikes (EVEN THE HEADKICKS!!!). How are you so blind that you can’t see this? Can’t even acknowledge this as a possibility?! Set aside your fanhood, for the good of the site.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

and youre making it sound like Condit is a chump that can get backed up just by walking at him.

hes never done that before in ANY fight. Why start now?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not making Condit sound like a chump

I scored it 49-46 for Condit FFS. Some fighters have a unique gift, Nick Diaz’s is footwork.

I’m 100 percent convinced you aren’t rewatching the fight right now because you would be agreeing with me. I just watched Diaz back Condit into the fence without throwing a strike 6 times in a row.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit's move off the fence was apparently part of his preparation

It was performed repeatedly in the fight, sort of like he trained for it or something. :)

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt about it...

but i don’t think that Greg Jackson said, “Okay Carlos, our gameplan is to let yourself get backed up to the cage by Nick throwing punches, and then use this nifty move to get off the cage.” No, it was probably drilled as a “Just in case” type evasion move. Fighters learn how to stand back up, but that doesn’t mean its in their gameplan to get taken down. I would agree with you more if we saw Carlos circle away from the cage and then strike while Diaz was still there, back on the fence…but that didnt’ happen. he circled off the cage, and then backed up until he had to do it again.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it was a "just in case" thing at all

He knew it was Diaz’ m.o. to back his opponents into the fence, so he prepared for it, and exploited it.

He did get hit in the process, which is inevitable. However, he sustained minimal damage and landed more of his own strikes overall, and the strategy won him the fight.

by The real Philo on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It was definitely part of his preparation

throw a hook to Diaz’s body and then escape back to the center of the cage.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

YEAH!

thats why he landed more to the body.

Oh wait…

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe condit landed more to the head...

oh….

wait….

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Condit landed more Kicks...

which did nothing to stop/alter/slow down the implementation of Diaz’s gameplan.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and I know that youre only going to rage

because everytime ive made a point this morning you have just ignored it or raged about it. grow up, child. youre just a boy.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for you to make a point

Please, enlighten me

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz was the more EFFECTIVE striker.

Look at the gif you posted of Condits headkick: Diaz ate it and continued forward. Meanwhile, Condit was backpedaling from Diaz all day due to effective striking (FOOTWORK IS PART OF EFFECTIVE STRIKING, AND YOURE NOT GOING TO MAKE A TRAINED FIGHTER TO BACK UP WITH OUT THAT AND PUNCHES/KICKS LANDING).

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

so now moving your feet is striking?

Okay buddy, in your own dream world I guess you’ve convinced yourself that you’re correct. No wonder you thought you were right, you changed your criteria for striking.

I thought striking was actually throwing punches, but now I guess moving forwards is striking.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

its part of striking,

according to anderson silva. who do you have in support of your opinion?

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

oh god

so this whole time, we’ve been arguing the exact same point, we just had a different definition of striking?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

no. its about you being a condit nuthugger.

My point is that Nick Diaz had more EFFECTIVE striking than Condit. Diaz walked through every strike that Condit landed, unphased. Condit, meanwhile, was continually backed to the cage due to the striking prowess of Nick Diaz. You tell me who had more EFFECTIVE striking. (Footwork is a part of striking, too, and when you combine that with strikes to continually back your opponent to the fence it means that you are AFFECTING him). You refuse to give credit to Diaz for backing Condit up with his more EFFECTIVE striking, and you are scoring the fight like a kickboxing match (just making tick marks under each fighters name for every landed strike, and whoever has more at the end of the round wins). You sir, have been a pompous ass for most of the morning. Thank you, and good day sir. Go forward in time with the knowledge that you are wrong about this fight.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

good day to you too

hopefully you learned what MMA was today by talking to me. If not, maybe you will someday.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm done talking to you

It’s like talking to a brick wall. At this point, I’m just thinking you’re trolling me now.

Please get back to me when you actually rewatch the fight because I know you’re full of shit that you watched it again.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wow how professional.

telling a loyal reader that they are full of shit because they are disagreeing with you. I am halfway through for the second time this morning. to say that carlos condit repeatedly backed up to the cage because diaz was doing nothing more than walking forward with his hands raised shows your lack of MMA IQ.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and really...

like you’ve been so flexible in your view. calm down, child. just a reader that disagrees with you. dont get your panties in a bunch. im still going to read, and most of the time (still) agree with you. youre just wrong on this one. you can hit me up on twitter @JACardin and we can set up a way for you to send me my 20 bucks.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you realize what the bet was about right?

and that you were wrong right?

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

the bet was

you said that Diaz didn’t back condit up by punching, he just walked forward. and I am about to stat round 5 for the second time today, and ive watched condit get backed up with punches.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you realize

that when the punches are thrown, it’s when Condit is at the fence or almost to the fence, not the middle of the fence, right?

Diaz walks Condit down with both hands raised and backs him to the fence for nearly five straight rounds.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

now im thinking that it is YOU sir

that isn’t watching the fight again.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

by middle of the fence, I mean middle of the cage

Typo, my bad.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and you called me a child

good job, a dude three years younger than me calls me a child.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing to do with age...

theres grown children all around…actually, i’d consider Nick Diaz a grown child. you are acting like a kid. dont’ get mad dude. Youre the one with the awesome job, I should be mad at you (im not though). Its just a reader that thinks youre wrong. calm down.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you realize

that Diaz landed like an 8 punch combination to Condit’s body in the second round which skewed that statistic right?

Also, you’re lying about rewatching the fight.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and then what happened??!??!

did carlos cirlce away immediately before getting hit? If so, then when did Diaz find the time to outland Condit to the head?! Must’ve been while they were moving….and since one guy only moved backwards, he must’ve been getting hit while doing so.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

circle*

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Read my comment above (after your IP address joke)

and you will see that I am eagerly awaiting your payment. thanks.

Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz got robbed.
But Condit's STILL going to KO GSP.
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.

by JACardin on Feb 5, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Effective striking > Octagon control

Don’t see where there’s any real controversy.

by kevan321 on Feb 5, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

No controversy

Diaz took 1&2
Condit took 3&4

and the 5th was all Condit until Diaz took his back in the last minute, which ended with Condit escaping and taking Nick’s.

You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
12/22/11
"You actually got banned 3 times in 2 minutes by 3 different people"

"Phil Davis was dominated by Rashad Evans, and I love cock"

by *Californication* on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

I am shocked to hear the word "controversy" attached to this fight1

I cant believe that people thought it was close or that Nick was landing. He moved forward thw whole time but aggresion isnt every thing, (junie browning on TUF). The bar I was in exploded with cheers when the decision was announced!

Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!

by whynot6891 on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Bar I was at did as well.

Apeshit crazy in cheers then laughter at Diaz’s retirement.

You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
12/22/11
"You actually got banned 3 times in 2 minutes by 3 different people"

"Phil Davis was dominated by Rashad Evans, and I love cock"

by *Californication* on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

condit from now on u shall be named The Natural Born Runner

But he did win the fight, but it was soo unlike condit, that it was boring.

by Padriza on Feb 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good Bye Diaz Again......

It is about time somebody put an end to one of the biggest hype trains ever put together.
It was great marketing that is for sure.
Go win 11 more straight in a sub-par promotion and try to claim you are great!

by 1KAISER on Feb 5, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

in Diaz's defense

it was 10 straight in sub-par promotions and then he beat the shit out of B.J. Penn

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to take away from BJ

However, he has not really performed as he did in the past so really does not mean much.

by 1KAISER on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

understandable

BJ fought Nick’s fight. That’s why he lost and that’s why Condit changed the gameplan to what it was last night.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

which is exactly what a good fighter does

by 1KAISER on Feb 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

if Condit fought Nick’s fight, he loses. I’m almost 100 percent certain.

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by Brian Hemminger on Feb 5, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibly

Obviously it is hard to say either way for sure, we all have who we would beleive would win as well as we would like to win, until the fight is over though that is the truth.
On a different note neither one of them actually stand a chance against GSP.
My opinion. I beleive that there are better contenders at 170 then these two.

by 1KAISER on Feb 5, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

good job Hemminger

Unfortunately for Diaz fans as well made as your points are it seems like no amount of logic will ease their still throbbing pain.
I picked condit and had it 49-46 as well based on strikes landed. The fight wasn’t that exciting to watch it again but I don’t see much controversy to the objective viewer. Absorbing shots, talking shit and “walking someone down” add up to zero points. If a round is a tie you give it to the aggressor but Diaz never landed enough to constitute a tie breaker.
I’ve been pre-campaigning for Diaz – RoryMac so hopefully mr. Mills doesn’t spoil my fun but that seems like a great matchup, great story line and a fight that may keep Diaz in the game.

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That time is now. ( Buddha )

by AriesKJJ on Feb 5, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Condit won hands down!

Condits landed lots more kicks, punches than Diaz.

Moving forward doesn’t mean anything if you can not finisf your opponent (fearing your opponent will hit/kick you back harder!) which Condit did very effectively!

Look at the beaten face of Diaz after the fight compared to unscathed Condit’s (it really tells the whole story!)

Diaz is just a low class, uneducated street fighter only know using lots of profanities to express his thoughts

by .dpackk on Feb 6, 2012 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

sorry I didn’t know that class, level of education or use of profanities had anything to do with how good you were at MMA.
I guess i need to do my research, huh?!

@AmyLWhite

by AmyLWhite on Feb 6, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i need to watch it again to make a definite decision but from going on what i saw on Saturday, I would have given 1,2 and 5 to Diaz…i went to bed very disappointed!!

by AmyLWhite on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

although saying that, before the decision was announced i did feel nervous – so there must have been doubt in my mind!

by AmyLWhite on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 AM EST reply actions  


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