UFC 143 results: Carlos Condit emerges as a clear contender for Georges St. Pierre, but does it matter?
It's become a familiar sight.
A fighter stands next to a referee, not only battered and bruised, but mentally broken as well. He had just gone through the closest facsimile to hell any Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) title contender could experience. For 25 minutes, he was run through the proverbial grinder as fists, elbows, knees and shins slammed into their body. For five rounds, they had their gameplan shattered and their will broken by one of the greatest fighters the sport has mixed martial arts (MMA) has ever seen.
On the other side of the referee stands Georges St. Pierre, beaming and elated as his name is once again -- preceded by "and still UFC welterweight champion of the world" -- called out by Bruce Buffer. Dana White wraps the French-Canadian's belt around the champ's waist and around the Internet, headlines with words like "dominant" begin to pop up.
"Rush" lost to Matt Hughes in his third UFC fight, back when losing to Hughes wasn't an anomaly but the standard. Matt Serra ran through St. Pierre but was thoroughly trounced himself in their rematch. Those two missteps aside, "GSP" has ruled the 170-pound division for nearly a decade now. He's now set to take on Carlos Condit who, by winning last night's (Feb. 4) UFC 143 main event, has become the interim title holder while St. Pierre recovers from a knee injury.
But considering just how good St. Pierre is, does it matter?
Both men in last night's headlining bout have their strengths and flaws. Had Nick Diaz been able to come out on top, we very well could have seen a takedown clinic in November -- or whenever it is St. Pierre returns -- that puts the Stockton native on his back for 25 minutes. Historically, the gameplan has been a tried and true method to win out against Diaz.
Condit's biggest asset is his heart. On paper, he doesn't excel at any one thing. No one speaks of Condit and mentions a world-class guard or K-1 level kickboxing. But once he steps inside the Octagon, he's a tough nut -- perhaps the toughest -- to crack. He hasn't been finished in over five years and when he's come close in the UFC -- the first round of his bout with Jake Ellenberger springs to mind -- he's managed to gut through and survive.
The problem with Condit -- and to extent Diaz -- is there's just about no avenue towards success in a fight with St. Pierre. Although to be fair, the same could be said for any welterweight. Diaz's boxing is sharp but his takedown defense is a liability and as evidenced last night, he still refuses to check leg kicks, preferring to take them flush.
Condit, on the other hand, isn't better than "Rush" at anything. How can the "Natural Born KIller" expect to win and how can we, as fans, expect to get excited for what will likely be another 25 minute shellacking followed by a unanimous decision?
From a promotion standpoint, the UFC must be fuming that Diaz wasn't able to pull out the victory. While a loss to St. Pierre would be almost assured, the former Strikeforce champion would have at least made the road to a bout with "Rush" interesting and compelling. Condit doesn't curse into cameras or flip off audiences. He's almost blue-collar in the sense he quietly walks into the cage, does his job and leaves. An admirable trait for sure but when everyone expects him to loss to St. Pierre, a little flair and drama wouldn't hurt.
I just can't get excited for a "GSP"/Condit showdown. Of course, the newly crowned interim champion could very well defend his title first against the winner of this month's Diego Sanchez and Ellenberger bout and while the "Natural Born Killer" taking on Sanchez or rematching Ellenberger would be great, my interest in either of those two taking on "Rush" is equally low.
It's hard to look at these men as contenders rather than victims.
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"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
+1
GSP is just too damn good. Neither Diaz or Condit ever stood a chance
you should totally twitter that on your facebook
EXACTLY !!! OMFG lol like werent we all just saying this back when gsp wasnt hurt. im glad condit won i love that he won and im loving the nick diaz pity party its pathetic and juicy but lets be real now neither of these guys are beating george. i always felt carlos had a better chance but honestly do you think nick diaz would beat gsp and lets use last nites nick to make even better.
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I think Condit has a better chance with have KO power.
We know GSP could be suspect to that and if you thought Condit had a gameplan that the neanderthal played right into you can just image what GSP comes up with. I imagine anytime Diaz tried to press forward and throw that GSP would put him on his ass.
\m/
by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
two greg jackson buddies
condit will lay down for GSP, no one will buy it. I wont ever be fooled into buying a GSP PPV
ok so you dont buy gsp fights im sure every woman you know probably is though
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
why hes a turd burglar
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Despite his counter-attacking of last night, Condit will not sit back and let GSP do whatever the fuck he wants (superman jabs and takedowns). Georges is still scared to get hit, and Carlos will put hands and knees in his face at every opportunity. He may not get the win, but he won’t make it easy for GSafeP.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
right and this is why this is a way better fight then nick. i dont think carlos will win but he’s going to make this dirty just like last night
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I think Diaz would give GSP a tougher fight
“Georges is still scared to get hit, and Carlos will put hands and knees in his face at every opportunity.”
Diaz is more aggressive, he keeps coming forward and he can easily take a clean punch. Pretty much the opposite of GSP. And if GSP takes him down, Diaz has a dangerous guard.
I see Condit falling into the same trance as most of GSP’s opponents – standing still. Afraid of the stiff jab and takedowns. Not able to open up because of the takedown threat. So they just get jabbed for 5 rounds. And GSP would grapplefuck Condit for 5 rounds if he needs to.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
Kickers are afraid to commit to kicks because of the takedown
Carlos will probably be the same. Frozen like you say
5-2, undefeated and undisputed, beat me ... if you can.
UFC 143 = Diaz DEC, Nelson DEC, Kos DEC, Kuiper DEC, Barao SUB3, Leroy DEC, Brown KO1, Herman SUB2, Poirer KO2, Thompson DEC, Martinez DEC
GSP's biggest threat, IMO...
Is Ellenberger: a top notch wrestler with gorilla strength and wrecking balls for hands.
Condit is more than serviceable in every facet of the game, but GSP is just on another level in every area. That said, he will give GSP his toughest fight to date, due in no small part to his heart and his ability to keep up with GSP until the very end.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
(¯`i´¯)´·¸.)‹^›
^^this^^
if Jake can sort his cardio hes definitely GSPs biggest test and before anyone mentions condit i put that fight down to cardio,jake was annihilating him till he gassed
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I hope...
Ellenberger beats Sanchez. I’m more stoked for Condit/Ellenberger II than any other fight.
by Sergio Hernandez on Feb 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The “he was killing him until he gassed” excuse bothers me. Part of a fight is stamina, equally important to striking, grappling, etc. Jake lost to Carlos because he failed to adequately train a large component of a fighters skill set.
Sample: Melvin was destroying Jim miller until they grappled. Kind of important.
And I’m not suggesting Melvin failed to train grappling for Jim miller, I’m sure he trains like a motherfucker on the ground. But miller exploited a weakness, and Carlos did the same to jake.
Thank you UFC fans. My name Stun Gun. I want GSP
serra gave gsp his toughest fight to date.
by Conan the Barbarian on Feb 5, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
one punch that grazed the back of GSP's head isnt considered the toughest fight.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
since becoming champ, his toughest match-up was against Jake Shields sadly enough.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
we won't be seeing any fights anytime soon if they don't cut the octagon in half.
too much room to run, doesn’t matter if you have good footwork, cause u can literally run around and not get caught or trapped for 25 mins. the world’s best sprinters would win every time.
The goal should be to hit and not get hit.
Good footwork can always be countered.
Check this out, solves your problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFvql-O1GWQ
"That wasn't just winning. I mean, that was just demolishment."
Haha the most horrible display of striking ever
Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week
by enzo-enormous on Feb 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Could you imagine,
actually ordering that on a PPV?
Like getting your friends to come over and watch 2 hours of that?
"That wasn't just winning. I mean, that was just demolishment."
fucking awesome hahahhhaha
Pro Sig record:14-6
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Fuck Carlos Starnes "The Natural Born Runner"
oh no Tuff its ok he’s not mad he understands i mean nick is a triathlete and he shouldve been able to “out run” condit IMO like wtf all that swimming and biking didnt mean shit
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I don't think he needed to "out run" him,
he should’ve gone balls out for the takedown much earlier. Once he saw Carlos wasn’t going to fight his fight, he should’ve started to drag him down.
"That wasn't just winning. I mean, that was just demolishment."
What I wanned to happen
Diaz beats gsp Carlos beats Diaz then GDP beats Carlos.
What I think will happen gsp says it was a close fight Carlos is the champion and wants Diaz so Diaz vs gap happens for number 1 contender while Carlos fights someone else
by Cerrone's sombrero on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
??????????
Has the fuck what???
After a botched kick atempt in the AFC championship game vs the Patriots, Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff attempted to commit suicide. Unfortunately, he could'nt kick the chair out from under himself...
by ClinchKing on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
WTF
You are either under the influence, or extremely unintelligent. What you"wanned" to happen is for “gap” to fight for contention?
Even your thoughts mislead you.
I was really hoping for Pierre vs Diaz
as Diaz would force him to fight more. Pierre just hasn’t been the same since Serra ko’d him. he went from finishing 85% of his fights to only finishing 15% after the ko loss.
GSP would've done the same thing as CC did to Diaz.
He’s also a smart fighter and sticks to game plans. Diaz would not have gotten into GSP’s mind at all with his bantering. I actually think Condit did better against Diaz than GSP would have due to the fact the Condit doesn’t mind getting hit. GSP can be a head case if anyone lands on him, it’s just very difficult to do!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
I agree. GSP would've peppered him from the outside,
and also landed TDs to keep him guessing. I don’t think he would spent a lot of time on the ground, just take him down for points and to demoralize him.
"That wasn't just winning. I mean, that was just demolishment."
condits striking very well be better than gsps. only time will tell. condits angles looked amazing
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
I actually think that GSP is skerred.
Did you see him after the fight? I think that look was genuinely scared. I love GSP, but Condit has inside information on how to defeat GSP and GSP knows it. I’m excited for this fight. Where’s ANS to comment?! We’ve been on the Condit train for a while!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
Condit will get beat by any striker with power and speed, ie Kamp. There’s a reason he struggled with Elen and Rory, because that tap kick isn’t enough.
Bobby Southworth
by danago on Feb 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't.
Just… don’t.
I want to know where this “Dan Hardy has power” shut comes from. Knocking out Rory McDonald does not mean you have power. And speed? Dude, Lytle beat Hardy to the punch every time. I’m not dissing Lytle in the slightest, he’s one of my favourites and is a damn good fighter, but handspeed is not something he was known for.
Dan Hardy is the most overrated striker in MMA.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
(¯`i´¯)´·¸.)‹^›
i agree
but at the time Hardy was just hyped up and coming off a loss for the title. N Condit finished him when GSP didnt. Cant take that away from him. You have to give it to hardy, his losses have been to good opponents
I dont think things will go according to plan
There’s way too much time between now and when GSP gets back…and thats assuming he doesnt re-injure his knee.
With a fight-card almost every 2 weeks, there will be plenty of welterweights fighting for contender status…and fans will want Condit to defend his make-belief belt. I think Dana forces him into another fight.
Another scenario, GSP re-injures, gets stripped and they have Condit-Diaz 2 for the belt. Or Condit gets injured and Diaz replaces him against GSP. Anything can happen!
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
i agree imo it will be a diaz/cc rematch
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Condit should defend against the Diego/Ellenberger winner,
if Dana doesn’t give Diaz a rematch (which he shouldn’t).
Diaz in the meantime should fight the Alves/Kampmann winner to get back into contender status.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
(¯`i´¯)´·¸.)‹^›
GSP Massive Layoff + Never Faced a Guy Like Carlos =
Toughest fights of GSP’s life. Carlos will own him in the standup for sure. But will GSP be able to take Carlos down and will GSP be able to avoid Carlos’s superior jj? I don’t think so
Live for God
by G Squat on Feb 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't understand how...
Someone can back pedal the entire fight and win… I would second this tactic to Lay & Praying… Back pedaling is obviously NOT trying to finish the fight… Diaz would have Subed him(Condit) had he attempted one takedown… I was not wishing for an ghetto brawl, but at least try and finish your opponent…
by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ali, rjj, mayweather
all defensive fighters that stick n move.
Diaz pushed the pace while Condit controlled the fight by sticking and moving.
I would have liked a finish also. but when you look at Condits record you cant be upset when this is his 2nd decision win
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can buy the stick and move tactic, but...
Where did this sport make the turn towards out pointing an opponent… Condit didn’t actually impose his will or superior technique on Diaz… Diaz won rounds 1, 2 & 5…
by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Different opponents require different game plans
Diaz has ko’d great strikers. You cant blame Condit for having a technical game plan. If Diaz wanted to secure the decious then he should have pushed the pace more. When the fight goes to the judges on a close fight you cant blame the fighter who won for not finishing the fight when his opponent didnt finish it either. I wanted a finish just as much as everyone else, but Condit fought a smart fight. Good fight from both fighters and it is what it is. If Condit won this way against GSP he would be praised.
The rules needs to be changed if someone can win a fight back pedaling...
I feel Diaz pushed and dictated the pace of the fight more, thus winning rounds 1, 2 & 5… Back pedaling is not having a technical game plan, nor is it displaying octagon control. GSP “out points” Condit with his more “technical” Lay & Pray"…
by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
You can’t win by acting meaner. Carlos hit Nick more often and more effectively in all rounds… so he won.
Live for God
by G Squat on Feb 5, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
comparing Condit's performance to great boxers who actually stay in the pocket is ridiculous
5-2, undefeated and undisputed, beat me ... if you can.
UFC 143 = Diaz DEC, Nelson DEC, Kos DEC, Kuiper DEC, Barao SUB3, Leroy DEC, Brown KO1, Herman SUB2, Poirer KO2, Thompson DEC, Martinez DEC
It's a different sport.
Bolts from the Blue // "At least when Wade is spewing vitriol he does so with an intellectual flair." - insanebolt21
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
Boxers who turn and run get penalised or disqualified
5-2, undefeated and undisputed, beat me ... if you can.
G Squat...
Its seems your general dislike for Diaz interfered with your ability to see… Its apparent Condit respects Diaz’s stand up more than you… Impose your will and superior technique on your opponent… Condit did not display either…
by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Diaz stalked Condit ...
Which prompted(dictated) Condit to back pedal the entire fight… Diaz won rounds 1, 2 & 5… The only reason I gave Condit rounds 3 & 4 was the significant strikes he landed while back pedaling…
by DADEAL1 on Feb 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never got to see this fight, still think GSP wins against both of them though
NOVA UNIAO
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I'm coming, BEWARE
by CharactersAnalysis on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Condit has more of a chance against GSP than Diaz...Greg would have trained GSP to do the exact same thing carlos did against Diaz.
Truth is Jackson created an effective game plan against Nick’s style so either one of his fighters would have been able to implement it correctly…the only difference is that GSP would have probably used his wrestling every now and then to score even more points. Honestly I said this from the begninning, Condit is a more dangerous fight for GSP than Nick. Diaz should fight Rory Mac or the winner of Alves vs Kampmann…that one dimensional style of plodding forward throwing punches may have worked in SF but against a complete MMA fighter that shit wouldn’t fly.
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
Diaz
is the sloppiest boxer out there. Him or JMac.
If Diaz ever had to fight GSP, it would be the biggest joke. He’s not very well-rounded, and can’t handle crisp striking. Being fearless and applying constant pressure does equate to a UFC champion. Being great at every martial art does. As seen over the last 5+ years by GSP.
I really like Condit, he just does not have that great of a chance. Neither does the other 50 guys. Except maybe Hendricks. Other than that, he’ll be reigning supreme for a long while. Sorry America, Brazil, and England.
how do u get a job writing on an mma site when u think GSP is better than condit at everything
Ohhhhhhh CANADA - Georges St. Pierre, right here is where he calls home, and smoking marijuana, we consider it legal.
by Austin Wilson on Feb 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Excuse me, was that aimed at me, and if it was
…this is not my job. I am just leisurely post on an MMA site.
WOW!
Condit just won and everyone is already talking shit. He is always counted out and I’ll be cheering for him against anyone he faces like I always have and he can keep proving the doubters wrong.
Laughable article, that is so wrong on so many things that I almost don’t know where to start…
But here goes, first off GSP is not better than Condit at everything that’s simply ridiculous. Condit is a better striker and has more power, not to mention he’s got batter bjj. GSP’s biggest and only advantage is his world class wrestling, everywhere else Carlos can match him if not surpass him.
Condit won’t fight safe like most of GSP’s last opponents did, he won’t be scared to attack and if he’s down on the cards he’ll go for the kill because that’s who he is. He won’t be satisfied by going 5 rounds and losing, if you’re going to beat Condit your going to have to earn it.
I’ve said for years that Carlos was GSP’s biggest threat because of his style, GSP won’t be safe anywhere on the feet he’ll have to look out for punches, knees, elbows and kicks. And on the ground he’s going to have to watch out for Carlos dangerous guard and the best sweeps in the division imo. Condit won’t gas or break either, and now that he’s added a more technical and smarter approach, I have zero doubt that Condit can’t shock the world again just like he did on Saturday and neither should you.
"I don't walk around looking at cameras telling people that I am the best fighter in the world to hear myself talk. I say it for the same reason they put warnings on packages of cigarettes, because fighting Chael Sonnen may be hazardous to one's health."-Chael P. Sonnen































