UFC 143 results: Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit fight metric report shows judges made right decision
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 5, 2012 3:00 AM EST
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By now, opinions have been cast and vary greatly from pundits to fans to fighters regarding the UFC 143 main event bout last night (Sat., Feb. 4, 2012) in Las Vegas that saw Carlos Condit take a close unanimous decision victory over Nick Diaz.
The fight was interesting because Condit executed a game plan that flabbergasted his foe and made it hard on the judges to nail down exactly how to score it. He was landing plenty of shots, dipping in and out and sticking and moving, but Diaz was clearly the aggressor and walked him down the whole way, getting in a few good punches of his own.
In the end, though, the three judges all scored the fight for Condit, awarding him the interim welterweight championship and a shot at Georges St. Pierre later this year. Diaz, thinking he was the rightful winner and tired of the way the sport is set up, retired in disgust immediately following the bout.
Stats don't always tell the full story, of course, but thankfully Fight Metric has released their report on the contest and we get a bit more clarity on the controversial bout. Let's take a look after the jump.
The full striking report spanning all five rounds (click on over to Fight Metric to see the round-by-round breakdown) shows that Condit outlanded Diaz 159-117 in total strikes and 151-105 in significant strikes. Diaz was better to the head and body but "The Natural Born Killer" was just that when he went to the legs.
Ouch.
On to the grappling, which there was admittedly little of:
Diaz gets credit for landing one of his three takedown attempts as well as a pass to Condit's back at the end of the fifth frame. Outside of that, the entirety of the bout was contested on the feet.
Finally, the performance rating:
As you can see, Condit was rightfully awarded the decision -- based purely on the numbers -- by a score of 48-47. Fight Metric awarded Condit rounds one, three and four and Diaz rounds two and five.
Well, Maniacs, now that you've seen the fight, and the Fight Metric report, what are your thoughts? Anyone changing their mind? Or is your opinion now reinforced?
Sound off.
For a more detailed look at the Diaz vs. Condit fight click here. To watch highlights click here and for complete UFC 143 results and blow-by-blow coverage of all the night's action click here.
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Fight Metric gave
Nick Diaz the win over Sherk, dont see anyone going there. It’s an algorithm, and it’s not reliable. It doesn’t take RUNNING into account, Timidity as Dan Hardy called it.
Carlos clearly outstruck diaz....
And absorbed less damage… Sounds like a clear win to me.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
it was a good fight
Nick pushed the pace, condit controlled the pace by circling. Diaz doesn’t like the results then he should have put on more pressure to finish the fight.
Machida, Ali, RJJ, they all fight and dance around. No one says shit when they do what they do. But when Condit does it n doesn’t get sucked into Nicks fight then everyone bitches cause he didn’t finish the fight against a tough SOB. Would you rather watch Condit stick to his game plan or Jon Fitch stick to his? Diaz didn’t do enough to secure the win. What else can you say?
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 3:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This all day.
Walking forward does not win you a fight, and that was clearly the only thing Diaz was doing better than Condit.
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by ArlovsKang on Feb 5, 2012 5:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This all day 2.
This all day 2. Running away the whole fight gives you a win, and that was clearly the only thing Condit was doing better than Diaz .
You mean out kicked?
Diaz won with significant head and body punches but I guess they gave it to Condit for those legs kicks which it seemed only a few had any real effect. Its not like Diaz couldnt have thrown leg kicks but thats not really brawling to him. The only peson that wins is Condit. GSP lost, the fans lost and Diaz lost.
There are three types of people in this world; sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. Which one are you?
try watching the fight next time
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
not only threw them, landed them. He beat Nick to the punch in 90% of the exchanges!
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Look at the stats. The only exchanges Condit won were the leg kicks.
There are three types of people in this world; sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. Which one are you?
Look closer, Condit also scored 50% more power-shots to the head!
Diaz had a few more jabs, but why should jabs count more than leg kicks?
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
So, now what are the haters going to say about Carlos?
Can’t say he ran anymore when he out struck Nick.
He did run away
he threw the equivalent of a jab with his leg and then ran away. My eyes didn’t lie to me. Diaz walked through everyone of those leg kicks while Condit was busy backpedaling. Whose head was snapping back? Who almost got submitted? If you want to see how ridiculous this scoring was look at People’s scorecard. He gave the first two rounds to Condit but the third to DIaz. If there was a round Diaz lost it was the third and probably the fourth. 1,2, and 5 were Diaz.
LOL running..........thats just horrible he was ready for diaz and countered
Everyone and there mom knows Diaz is aggressive and condit had a great gameplan that allowed him to out strike one of the best strikers in MMA.
This is the reality the only people running are those running away from the facts and fact is Condit oustruck diaz…..deal with it
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
+1
At least one person on here doesn’t lack common sense
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Feb 5, 2012 3:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+2
I thought the gameplan was brilliant
And I was impressed with how well he stuck to it as the fight wore on
And lemme get it out before the Diaz trolls jump on me .. I was rooting for Diaz I wanted GSP/Diaz..
Condit won
my sigs the best
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Feb 5, 2012 3:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he countered and landed strickes, not ran away u dumb fuck
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
Can you understand the fight metric? The only way Condit won was with baby kicks.
There are three types of people in this world; sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. Which one are you?
Nick Diaz wanted Condit to fight his game, just like Cowboy did with little brother --
Condit refused, brilliantly. With all his boxing experience, Diaz should know the difference between “running” and “stick and move and circle off the cage,” something Condit did to perfection tonight, and after watching Cowboy Cerrone get sucked into the typical Diaz brawl and get picked apart, it makes Condit’s gameplan all the more solid. Condit’s not required to stand still in front of Nick so he can throw bunches of punches. The number of strikes (since this was a kickboxing type MMA fight) shows Condit won the fight with a combination of kicks and punches. As far as octagon control is concerned Condit controlled it exactly right - he determined when and where the exchanges were going to take place. He didn’t pull a Starnes (as Diaz’s face showed) and connected on more strikes than his opponent. Just because Nick kept walking forward doesn’t mean he controlled anything. The closest he came was the last minute of the last round. I’m pretty sure I also heard someone in Nick’s corner before the 5th say that he was up 3-1 -- which was some bad advice as this was obviously a close fight. This is an MMA contest, not a bar brawl and the judges sit ringside for a reason. As much as we enjoy the barn-burners and groan at decisions, this was an intelligently fought fight with the interim belt on the line and a shot at GSP — does anyone really think that Condit would be so stupid as to fall into the Diaz brawl trap with all that on the line? Condit fought a smart fight, didn’t get mentally trapped into Diaz’s attempts to get into his head via the trash talk, had the endurance to match Diaz, frustrated him, and the discipline to stick to his game plan. I couldn’t pick a winner before this fight and I was really divided as I like both fighters very much. But Condit won this fight. I hope that in time Nick rethinks his decision because he’s a treat to watch.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
i'm a diaz fan.. have been since he knocked out Robbie Lawler, taunting him all the way
I didn’t know who i wanted to win this fight as I enjoy Condit as well. I personally thought Diaz would dominate the fight and completely control where the fight took place. But that’s not what happened. He got out pointed and that’s a part of MMA even though we’d prefer the stand-and-brawl type fights as fans.
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
the non struck out version
he determined when and where the exchanges were going to take place. He didn’t pull a Starnes (as Diaz’s face showed) and connected on more strikes than his opponent. Just because Nick kept walking forward doesn’t mean he controlled anything. The closest he came was the last minute of the last round. I’m pretty sure I also heard someone in Nick’s corner before the 5th say that he was up 3-1
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
Almost got submitted?!
Wasn’t even close to it dude :/
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Honestly, no offence Geno but what the fuck
Clearly head shots are more deadly than leg kicks
Round 1: 16-7 Diaz and we all saw how many times Condit’s head snapped back
Round 2: 19-9 Diaz like I thought. 2-0 Diaz
Round 3: 15-10 Diaz but much closer 3-0 Diaz
Round 4: 13-2 Condit and everybody gives him this round
Round 5: 16-10 Condit but Diaz gets back control. 4-1 Diaz
50 “leg jabs” does NOT WIN A FUCKING FIGHT MAN
GSP is running scurred
Diaz outstruck Condit in the head and FightMetric confirms it
50 leg jabs is bullshit. They did nothing
GSP is running scurred
Ok, So then your saying Diaz's head strikes were as weak as a school girl's, because Condit had 1 bruise under his right eye...
Diaz on the other hand had a cut up face, so obviously Carlos landed the more significant headstrikes…
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I'm saying Diaz outstruck COndit where it counts
If you want to count 50 fucking leg jabs, go ahead. Let’s also count ass slaps.
GSP is running scurred
we need to twitter bomb dana for a rematch
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously if your saying the head shots counted more then Carlos got the better of that also, because Diaz is the one with the cut-up swollen face... not Condit
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Well here is an idea.....
we will let Condit kick you in the leg 50 times and see how you feel afterward. If you can walk away issue free afterwards, then I will reconsider your argument.
+1000
This just shows how’s weak his head strikes are. This guy wins how many fights in a row, then loses one fight and quits? Grow up and act like a professional. He just got shown that he was the best welterweight OUTSIDE of the UFC. Next the people are gonna say Condit cheated by moving out of the way of those strikes.
by cadzilla500 on Feb 5, 2012 4:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
true dat!
“Hey, what gives!? You can’t be all moving around and shit when I’m trying to hit you! That’s not fair! I don’t need this shit! I quit MMA!”
Adios, whiney lil Bitch! Take your punk ass to Boxing where you can mean-mug with all the other disrespectful thugs!
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I hope he really is quitting.
I hate the Diaz brothers. They spit in the face of what the spirit of Martial Arts has always been about. The more success people like that have, the more disrespectful punks we’re gonna get in MMA and it’s gonna degrade into primitive thuggery.
The respect that most fighters show for their opponents is one of the things I love most about MMA. It’s what makes it so different from so many other sports. I wanna see more sportsmen like Condit, GSP, Franklin, JDS, Maia, Belfort, Bendo, Fedor, etc. and fewer cocky disrespectful thugs like Diazs, Rashads, Tanks, and old Tito.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
you might have a point...... if fairies made up the scoring system
it’s not necessarily who has the most “effective” strikes… it’s strikes that land… if there’s a knockdown, that’s something…. but Condit won the fight. Time to move on.
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wrong
try again
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
"leg jabs do nothing..."
someone should’ve told Faber that when he was hopping around on one leg
"Head shots are more deadly than leg kicks" Tell that to Jose Aldo.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
people can bellyache all they want.. won't change the fact that Carlos hit Diaz more times than Diaz hit Carlos...
And the Judges scored the fight for Condit, not diaz…
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
that was garbage too
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
bad example
that shit won Forrest a round or two, but Forrest didn’t win that fight. BS decision in that case. In this case, Carlos clearly outstruck Diaz.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
THANK YOU! someone finally gets it. diaz won and landed the significant strikes. baby kicks are like jabbing through a whole fight and nothing else
geno's back on the dope
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
but that's not how MMA is scored
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
even by your criteria, Unambig....
Carlos landed 50% more power shots to the head than Diaz did.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I guess you dont count leg kicks...
Round 1:Diaz 20p, 2 k, Condit, 16 punch, 22 kicks
Round 2:Diaz 26p, 1k, Condit, 17p, 19k
Round 3:Diaz 25p, 4k, Condit, 16p, 21k,
Round 4:Diaz 9p, 6k, Condit, 14p, 27k, 1 knee
Round 5:Diaz, 12p, 10k 1knee 1 TD, Condit 18p, 13k 1 knee
50 leg jabs
What bullshit lol. You guys are seriously on drugs.
Terrible headline too
GSP is running scurred
the judges disagree, and they are the only ones that count.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
judges think alot of things
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
You and unambig smoking Nick's stash together?
We know Nate was smoking when he told his brother in between rounds that he was up 3-1. And poor Nick, he probably believed it.
well from how the fight was playing aout diaz was winning even though carlos wasnt engaging and just basically avoiding contact and trying to land flashy shit. plain and simple diaz lost accourding to the judges but from the fight diaz won.
At the end of the day, Diaz didn't adjust and loss the fight.
And like Dana said, there is no rematch necessary.
Spoken like a true Nick Diaz fanboy!
I respect your ignorance actually. At least you are sticking with it.
You probably thought Sonnen beat Bisping and Sonnen destroyed Silva.
nope not at all. i didnt care for the bisping sonnen fight. and how could i say sonnen beat silva if he was the one that tapped. i have no idea what you are talking about but nice try .
feezy sounds like he's been sticking retard sandwiches up his ass
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
lol
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
except they don't
Condit with 12 pounds of gold
Diaz with a beat up Honda
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:55 AM EST up reply actions
Go watch the fight again
Diaz landed 92 punches and 23 kicks 1 knee and 1 TD
Condit landed 81 punches, and 102 kicks and 3 knees
So obviously your numbers are wrong. And there were a lot of borderline strikes i gave Diaz and didnt give condit just cause im a condit fan.
Yes they are, read above
49-46 Diaz. At worst, 48-47 if you give Condit round 5.
This Fight Metric only confirms what I saw. Diaz winning rounds 1-3.
GSP is running scurred
Don't know what your looking at...
The Metric at the top of this page clearly read Winner: Condit
Ten-Point Must: 48-47 for Condit
Fight Metric: Condit
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
You're blind.
Many people thought shogun beat machida via leg kicks. Get that shot outta here. They weren’t “leg jabs”, a lot of those kicks snapped nick around and was a set up for a lot Of his strikes. If you can’t see that then you’re in idiot.
Condit snapped nicks head back just as much as he did Condit, an Condit landed two flush head Kicks right on his face. Condit was tryin to take him out. Quit bitching. you sound and look stupid trying to defend this.
Condit won. Why would you not count leg kicks? That’s the most retarded shit I’ve ever heard.
Anyone trying to fight this decision is a fucking idiot and obviously don’t know how MMA works.
Go try another sport because you’re too dumb to figure out this one.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Feb 5, 2012 3:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
By adding insults to your opinion
You definitely convince me.
Oh wait, no it doesn’t. It just makes you sound like an elitist asshole.
Boozer sucks.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 5, 2012 3:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And these guys insulting geno or fight metric or Condit is any different.
Get the fuck outta here. I was actually going for Diaz because I wanted to see GSP/Diaz fight. But I know what I saw, and that was a clear Condit win.
Shuu fly.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Feb 5, 2012 3:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Theres no way he wins round 1
Punches were comparable and Condit landed over 20 kicks, i guess leg kicks dont count
i blame bj penn for this.
he hyped diaz up by losing
Its turbo time!
couldn't agree more
people were ready to crown him as top 5 p4p. now he looks like just another chump at 170
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
I never had him on any P4P list
and he’s a disrespectful punk bitch, but he’s not “just another chump” He’s def a TOP10 WW, very possibly TOP5. But no way he makes the P4P list.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I blame Matt Hughes for hyping up Penn who then hyped up Diaz.
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I'd like to see him against a few other top UFC guys though
In retrospect, a lot of his fights look mediocre at best
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been on the Diaz hype-train.
The only half-decent guys he’s beaten were tailor-made for his style, i/e hot-headed one-dimensional strikers who play right in to his taunting and don’t know how to move in any direction but backwards. And then of course there’s BJ Penn, who at 170lbs can only fight for one round: and for that one round he beat Nick handily. And I don’t need to get into what happens when he fights a solid wrestler, we need only look at his first UFC stint to see what happens there.
Then Condit comes along, employs intelligence and a good gameplan and what happens? Nick loses.
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Cant we all just get along?
Carlos clearly won.
And to bad Carlos wouldnt just stay still for Diaz to land his shots.
It was either the start of the 4th or 5th round, probably 4th where Diaz started slowing down his strategy of coming forward, cuz he knew he(Diaz) was hurting.
Condit all day.
WOW You've gone stone troll crazy
diaz was not hurting
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
if the last laugh is watch gsp hump condit for 5 rounds than the jokes on you
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
*watching
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
*then
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
very clever PROPS
once a person losses the argument its best to try an entirely differently front, ala a different fight, Condit VS GSP. again, props.
yup 68 pussy leg kicks that didn't do shit
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:11 AM EST reply actions
nick won that fight
How do u win backing up the whole fight please
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
How do you win. . . .
by landing substantially less strikes, your face looking a LOT worse and thats not counting the 100 or so leg kicks.
Counting head and body vs "leg jabs"
Round 1: 27-14 Diaz vs 11 Condit leg kicks Diaz 10-9
Round 2: 34-18 Diaz vs 7 COndit leg kicks Diaz 20-18
Round 3: 23-18 Diaz vs 9 Condit leg kicks Diaz 30-27
Round 4: 20-10 Condit with 15 leg kicks. Diaz 39-37
Round 5: 21-17 COndit, but Diaz got back control. Diaz 49-46.
At worst, Diaz wins 48-47. It really is that simple.
GSP is running scurred
Fuck the numbers
did u see carlos running like a slave, in every exchange he lost he had to turn his back and run to reset no footwork straight running and he wins na no way in hell im not that biase…. this is a fuckin robbery carlos scored leg kicks! thats it.. nick went for the only finish as welll fuck all the haters nick won that fight
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
should have got dq'd
pride rules and condit would have been fined half his purse
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
funny u say that to randal me and my brother are flippin out here bc areil hewani or whatever his name is just said on the postfight show
If it was pride rules condit would of won wtf!!!! And fuck jay glazer too he said it was all condit from start to finish the guys fuckin nuts
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
yea dont listen to that post fight show they were completley full of bs and so was rashad. all they showed were the few times condit lnaded like one strike and that one kick to the face and they made it seem like that was how it went the entire fight. if you put all the significant times condit did something into a highlight reel there would have been about 5 seconds of highlights. diaz did all the work and now condit gets to get boned by greasy st.pierre.
Nick Diaz won the fight 3-2
I can see the judges given it to Condit but I was disgusted with Carlos “Flock of Seagulls” Condit’s performance.
Condit never even tried to finish the fight, we looked scared, we knew Diaz is the better fighter.
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
Diaz didn't try to finish it either
those 50% shots won’t cut it in the UFC. He’ll have to learn to finish fights against top-tier guys
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
did u not watch the end of the 5th rd u dumbfuck
Nick was going for the finish
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
HE GOT REALLY CLOSE TOO!!!!
wail……..
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
fail
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 5, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
I dedicate this fail to none other than Nick Diaz
for he failed on the big stage, in front of the masses, while I failed anonymously on the internet
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
kinda sad when ur comparing accomplishments
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're drunk
wait till the morning and get ur head straight, dawg
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
haha more like high but u know it all fuck off "dawg"
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm just as high as you
but getting angry won’t make Nick win yo!
by Tommy Shenanigans on Feb 5, 2012 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
Its been a good day to get baked.
Canucks in overtime, Condit wins me 50 bucks. ( bubble bubble)
A high aries is a happy aries!
Man up diaz fans, he tried and lost, He was outstuck and out pointed. The call was the correct one. Theres no shame in losing but there is in having no dignity!
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It was even close to a finish...
Hence why he got reversed.
Reversed? Only because he got desperate for time and tried an arm bar that wasnt really there.less a reversal more of a last stand type move.
Condit won…just shouldnt call himself a fighter anymore. He is a UFC athlete.
by hexbreaker on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dis he get the finish?
Or did he run out of time? Last time I checked, he had 25 minutes to submit Condit. Too bad he ran out of time. Guess someone finally figured out how the beat the unbearable 50% baby jabber.
by cadzilla500 on Feb 5, 2012 4:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a huge fan of either but those calling carlos a runner are not trying to finish just don't realize the level of fighters these guys are
Against Nick it would not be wise to get in a slug fest so condit did the smart thing and to satnd with Diaz and have a chance he used counter techniques and avoided the strikes by circleing……..not running kids.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
so he fought by circleing and doing no damage gtfo
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No - he won by not fighting Nicks fight.
Very simple and smart. Carlos was the first to admit in the PFC, that if he would have stood and brawled, Nick would have won. He was the better fighter tonight because he was smarter.
nicks game is to fight period...and ur right he didnt fight nicks game at all bc he didn't fight at all he ran literally turned his back and ran
When was the last time someone ran so much and still won
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 3:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ali, RJJ, Machida...
Stick and move. 13 ko’s, 13 subs, 2 decisions on Condits record. Quit your bitching. Diaz didn’t do enough to secure the win. He pushed the pace while Condit controlled the pace by stick and move.
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 3:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Carlos admittedly isnt as good as Diaz so he decided to point fight instead of fight.
by hexbreaker on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He did more damage than Diaz did to him first off
Second this is MMA and Condit beat Nick at MMA that is a lot more than just fighting as points are a factor so with saying that the better MMA fighter won no mattrt how you troll it son.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Did you not see nick's face?
Condit did more than just leg kick, stop being blind. He used the leg kick to set up his attacks, and alot of those leg kicks were power kicks. He had a great game plan and it worked. Nick could of adjusted, he didn’t and he lost
Condit ran and didn't try to finish, he changed his style because he knew Diaz is a better fighter
Machida ran but always try to finish and a lot of times did, its always been hes style
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
puck, your telling me condit didn't get sucked into diaz' game like everyone else does?
13 wins by ko, 13 wins by sub, 2 wins by decision. He doesn’t finish diaz n everyone bitches. Stick n move isn’t a game plan that condit made up. Others have done it and been considered greats
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fight metric is flawed
It doesn’t consider intagibles, for example:
- Agression
- Octagon control
- Damage
- If you’re close to finishing the fight
- If you rock your opponent
- It does not deduct points for running or not engaging
It only counts strikes
In such a close decision this things matter
Diaz won the fight, Condit maybe won the mathematical formula
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
Intangibles don't win fights.
Not on the street, not on a battlefield, and neither should they in a cage. In traditional martial arts, aggression is actually a weakness. The skilled fighter is calm and clinical, allowing the more aggressive fighter to expose himself. Rewarding stalking, aggression and ring control rewards tactics and attitude rather than what matters- who damages whom.
Frankly, I think these intangibles should be purged from the unified rules. The only thing that matters should be what wins fights: strikes, takedowns and submissions.
dnt u have a dumb ass comic to write
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Feb 5, 2012 4:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dont u have some nuts to hang from?
U guys are special. Acting like its a robbery. I’m a fan of both fighters. But Diaz didnt finish the fight either and now he can’t finish his career…
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 4:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Condit ran, he ran so for away
He just ran, He ran all night and day
He could get away from Diaz
That’s why Diaz couldn’t finish
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
don't hate the player, hate the game
Ill keep saying it, condit- 13 kos, 13 subs, 2 decisions. Quit bitching cause he didn’t get sucked into Diaz’ game plan for the title.
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 4:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was a fan of Carlos bc of the 13 kos, 13 subs and 2 decisions.
Not of this running man.
I’m truly disappointed of Carlos performance.
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
I would have loved a finish also
But he stayed at a pace to compete with Diaz for 25 minutes. Neither fighter was finished. I’m not gonna be a hater cause it didn’t happen the way I wanted it too. Not a fairweather fan.
by KCmmaBadBoy on Feb 5, 2012 4:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's called controlling distance, not running!
it’s not called running when you’re outstriking your opponent. since when is plodding forward and punching your opponent in the face the only way to win an MMA fight? since when does kicking not count? since when does walking forward and being less effective than your opponent get you the win?
Condit didn’t run, he smartly evaded Diaz when he was backed up against the fence because that’s when Diaz actually had an opportunity to hit him. when away from the cage, Condit controlled the action, which is why Diaz was stalking him to get him up against the fence. he couldn’t hit a moving target.
In the bigger picture I agree with you, but this is not the streets or battlefield
So let’s get rid of the jugdes and have a computer tally the strikes.
So if fighter “A” lands one shot and rocks fighter “B”
But Fighther “B” lands 5 leg kicks doing practically no damage
In your opinion Figther “B” wins?
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
Condit wasn't rocked any more than Diaz.
look at their faces after the fight.
I almost completely agree
But if you have a close match, which this 1 wasnt, then ring/cage control matters, BUT there wasnt a single round where Diaz outstruck Condit.
none of those aside from octagon control
are in the criteria for who won or lost a fight. And OC is the lowest rung on the ladder.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
what a shame
only Greg Jackson could take one of the best finishers and all around scrappers and turn him into a coward.
Jacksons mma should be abolished and he be banned for good. Condit did not prove he is the better fighter by any means. After all the bs condit talked Diaz was the only man who came to fight
condit immediately felt guilty for talking about what a battle the fight was going to be and how nick always come forward and so do i blah blah by his post fight interview in which he immediately said “all I did is do what I was told to do”……..thats not what someone says after putting on a performance they are proud of
Diaz comes away from this fight as the real winner and coarlos comes away as the bitch who ran getting just enough pts to get a decision with no intention of fighting nick.
I said the same thing earlier about Jacksons camp and an ass load of people started bitching but i guess the truth does hurt. Carlos ran and it was just embarrassing.
by zesotheclown on Feb 5, 2012 3:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and you were right
some one needs to send in a seal team to rescue jon jones from that camp before he gets brainwashed as well
the same Jackson camp
that he’s been with for years. K.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
staying off the fence and circling away from your opponent and effectively counter
is NOT running. don’t be brainwashed by Diaz’ taunting it doesn’t mean he won.
no way in hell diaz won the fght. carlos clearly won
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
If the UFC turns in to point fighting that's the day I will stop watching
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
What a boring UFC that will be
I will gladly leave if every fight is lay n pray, wall n stall, fighting not trying to lose insted of trying to win, point fighting
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
Actually, lay n pray is the opposite of point fighting.
The UFC’s current rules, by giving weight to such meaningless intangibles as ‘control’ actually encourage lay n pray. If the only scoring criterion was points (i.e. strikes or takedowns) then fighters would focus on landing blows rather than lying down.
Interestingly, people who watch points-based martial arts competitions consider MMA fights to be extremely boring. So maybe you should be hoping the UFC becomes more points-oriented and less control-focused.
i loved the main eent fight carlos was throwing some hard punches and kicks its just nick has a crazy chin
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
the only way to not lose is to win!
win = ~lose
lose = ~win
:. fighter fighting to not lose = fighter fighting to not not win = fighter fighting to win
well whqt else can they do with fights that go the distance?
They can’t all be draws
by cadzilla500 on Feb 5, 2012 4:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not asking for brawls or finishes every fight
I hate lay n pray, wall n stall, fighting not trying to lose insted of trying to win, point fighting
I want every fighter to try to win decisively.
It's fun until someone gets hurt...... then it's hilarious
good win for carlos
but he didnt likve up to his nickname, they stakes were high i get it,but its the only title fight i can really remember where counterpunching while moving backwards alot gets you that title
Dont act like your shit dont stink
Do all the haters of Condit's strategy hate on Machida too?
Or are you ok with the Dragon’s elusiveness but not Condit’s?
by cough on Feb 5, 2012 4:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
machida's elusiveness
compared to condits display is rubbish, the fact being when machida had a title shot he came guns blazing going for the finish own that belt
Dont act like your shit dont stink
What fight were you watching?
Machida caught Evans while doing his counter tactics then pounced and won the belt. He was never the agressor in that fight.
Nick vs RoryMac next.
But after thatloss there is no way he sticks around, then all you Diaz fans can follow triathalon.
Nick prob wont look like he just got face raped after that barring a bike spill. Which would suck cause he’d blame the pavers, race officials, media, ufc, God ………..
There is only one time when it is essential to awaken.
That time is now. ( Buddha )
Rory would wrestle rape Nick Diaz the same way he demolished Nate.
macdonald would be an even worse match up for Nick than condit was.
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
by rooseveltdunn on Feb 5, 2012 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
Im thinking the only fight that keeps him around
There is only one time when it is essential to awaken.
That time is now. ( Buddha )
Diaz fans are just Butt hurt...that's understandable
Carlos landed kicks, punches,elbows and simply stayed out of range, if he simply ran without putting any offense he would not have won or outstruck Diaz the way he did. He alternated between offense and defense while controlling the range, it’s striking 101 what you saw is pretty much the same thing that GSP would have done (plus a lot more wrestling)…Diaz lost because he was one dimensional,plodding forward throwing pitter patter punches and flurries isn’t going to cut it against a smarter opponent.
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
Yep, shit talking, absorbing shots and "walking someone down" add up to ZERO points
There is only one time when it is essential to awaken.
That time is now. ( Buddha )
If they did Tank Abbot would be the greatest fighter of all time lol
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
by rooseveltdunn on Feb 5, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
No slashing Diaz fans!
Sweet dreams maniacs!
There is only one time when it is essential to awaken.
That time is now. ( Buddha )
So Leg kicks win fights?
Fuck off!!!
Diaz should of got the nod! That shows running and throwing leg kicks for 25 minutes will win you a fight!
Diaz had octagon control and aggressivness, also had the take down and tried to finish the fight and engage!
Terrible decision.
Can somebody bring up the 1st fight between shogun and machida
I want to see the fight metric on that, im sure there was a fucked up system of shogun landing more leg kicks…?
Yeah this fight reminded me a lot of the first machida shogun fight except Carlos landed better strikes imo
by Bleeb129 on Feb 5, 2012 5:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
no, they had to carry Machida to the locker room
Shogun cracked the shit out of Lyotos leg in their first fight. The Dragon could barely walk when it was over. Condit won this fight for sure but he didn’t do as much damage as Shogun did.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
this was a close fight....
im wondering how many outcries for carlos their would have been if diaz did get the nod.. im guessing not nearly as many….. to many expected a win… and half the time people dont have a good grasp on mma as a whole.. Carlos won this fight so convincingly the judges couldnt even rob him….
by letstalkmma on Feb 5, 2012 5:45 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Last night, buzzed
I had Diaz winning. I still think it was close, and though Diaz fans raise a fair point, I can see why the fight went to Carlos.
I would like to see it again.
I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement
If you thought Diaz won
you are a big dummy.
by _Felix_ on Feb 5, 2012 6:31 AM EST via Android app reply actions
JMO
As far as I seen the fight was pretty even. Had I been walking down the road and this fight took place, Diaz would be ruled the winner in my book. But it didn’t happened between trip professionals who know what they are doing. I am a fan of Diaz, huge fan and always have been, but he knows the name of the game. His has been on the losing side of the stupid ass judging system more times than any fighter I can think of. Was this a result of a bad decision….no I don’t believe that….but he knows the game and should have done more.
One thing I am tired of seeing is these fighters turning into pussies. They are fighting to not lose instead of fighting to win. I miss the days where wany runs across the cage swinging, randy c. Going for takedowns and clinching without fear, matt hughes going for a takedown or striking to prove he could. I mean don’t get me wrong there are fighters that fought with a countering style (chuck liddell) but they had power and went for the finish. These “jackson camp” style of fighters piss me off.
I hope Diaz changes his mind and just realized that like everyone he has holes in his game. I hope condit grows some balls and fights like he did before being jackson retarded.
Haven’t commented in a LONG time….so don’t troll me too bad lol.
LAter,
Chris
by chrisdvalentine on Feb 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Cell phone
Sorry for the errors I’m on my cell haha.
by chrisdvalentine on Feb 5, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't fighting to not lose fighting to win?
The opposite of losing is winning, so Condit was fighting to win. You can word it how you want, his game plan was to not fall into Diaz’s style of fight and he won.
To me
Carlos didn’t really land any significant shots other than a head kick and a couple of flurries in the 4 & 5 rounds.All of which Diaz walked right through.I saw most of carlos countering coming off as off balance and rushed.No real power to them.Now instead of getting on his bike and sticking to the jackson not losing plan,I would much have rather seen Condit strike with Diaz,parrying blows, using angles and slipping punches while landing his own.You know,the Carlos we’re used to seeing.As someone else said,Carlos was afraid of Nicks striking game.I did notice Nick seemed to be putting a lot more power into his shots compared to his volume punching I’m used to seeing.This whole gameplan to not lose is not going to sell a lot of fights,I know I wont pay for them.Kinda sad that a lot of the top tier fighters from Jacksons are concentrating on what most conceive as fighting not to loose when the sport could evolve so much more if they would engage and press the fight and use those skills.
How you can win a title,even an interim, while fighting backwards is beyond me.I completely understand how Nick feels when you show up to fight and your opponent won’t commit to it.At least thats how I see it.
Seems the difference in opinion comes down to how you judge leg kicks and Octagon Control
During the fight it seemed to me like Diaz was winning the boxing and Octagon control. and Condit was scoring with leg kicks. In a close fight like this I feel Octagon control means a lot, and therefore Diaz should of got the decision. For me leg kicks are really more of a set up in order to score more points later. Either slow your opponent down, take away his power or confuse him in order to land more punches or go for takedowns. I don’t necessarily view them as scoring points in and of themselves.
Youre wrong
Leg kicks arent a set up, theyre a game plan, in the 4th round diaz started backing up cause he got hurt with a leg kick. BUT just to give you an idea, the first round, diaz landed 4 more punches, but ate over 20 more leg kicks, thats no close. Round 2, 26-17 diaz on punches, but 19-1 on leg kicks, Round 3 was similar and round 4 could have been scored a 10-8 round, 14-9 punches for condit and 27-6 on kicks plus a knee for condit….round 5 was a toss up, but i gave it to nick for the knee and take down.
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