Nick Diaz: GSP is a more respectable athlete, Carlos Condit is a more respectable martial artist (Video)
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"I feel the same about both of them, I think they're great fighters. I think one's a more respectable athlete, one's a more respectable martial artist, stand-up fighter, I guess, if you will. Carlos versus Georges. I think Georges is a strength athlete that really stands out here. Especially against all the wrestlers he's been fighting, he's stronger than all of them. They're having a strong guy competition and he's the strongest one. I don't fight like that and neither does Carlos and I don't think these guys enjoy fighting that style of fighter."
UFC 143 headliner Nick Diaz breaks down the competition in the 170-pound weight class, specifically, his top two rivals in division titleholder Georges St. Pierre and Interim challenger Carlos Condit. The former Strikeforce Welterweight Champion recognizes greatness in both combatants, but thinks "The Natural Born Killer" is a martial artists while "Rush" is a superior athlete who overcomes his opponents with brute strength. Anyone agree with this assessment? Or not so much?
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Pretty much hit the nail on the head here there Nicky
Well said, sir, well said (keeping in mind I didn’t watch the video and only read the text)
WHAT THE FUCK!
Why is everyone saying this is spot on? Georges is not just stronger than everyone and not a martial artist. There is so much wrong with this statement! He beat Koscheck last time because of his MUCH MUCH MUCH superior and TECHNICAL striking. Thiago is huge as well, I mean come on. The dude is crazy athletic but is a great martial artist as well. Apparently then his instructor and all the other Gracies are not good martial artists since they don’t stand and bang… again… WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 2, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
valid points but its not like Nick is saying unequivocally GSP never stands up, he is alluding to the fact that against strong wrestlers he is still able to over power them
While I don’t agree with Nick that Condit is a better martial artist I do believe he is saying that in RELATION to Condit GSP is much less of a striker and more of a wrestler (which is pretty irrefutable). Just because he says “they have a strong guy competition and he’s the strongest one” doesn’t mean that he is totally downplaying GSP’s stand up, imo he’s saying that his over-powering wrestling allows him to do whatever he wants in the fight. Again, just my opinion, who the fuck knows what Diaz is truly thinking?
by Blunt n' Beer on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
nick is absolutely correct.
and what he’s saying is that he prefers a technical fight vs a physical who can hold who down.
Tito Ortiz = God !
GSPs boxing vs Kos was FAR more technical than anything Nick has ever shown.
He doesn’t just hold guys on the ground he has a lot of technique. Fuckin strong guy competition is a joke of a comment. Georges trains for strength and explosion so yes he has it come fight night. I mean come on. He is not on at all. He says he is more of a sportsman than a martial artist because he is strong… are you fucking kidding? You take away all GSPs strength and he is still a good martial artist with good technique. Then he talks about also saying he fights on the ground instead of stand up which makes him less of a martial artist. I guess that 1 Boxing Glove moron in UFC 1 was more of a martial artist than Royce.
Also, this is a SPORT! UGH! It’s like saying Joe Average-Receiver is a better receiver than Randy Moss ever was, Moss is just so much bigger, faster, higher vertical and better hands. WTF!
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by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
A good jab =/= boxing
If so, GSP got “out-boxed” by Jake Shields.
Out poked, different story.
Yeah he played it safe against Kos, I get that and I get why some are irritated by it. I would have liked a finish as well. Yes his jab WAS VERY GOOD that fight. He didn’t want to commit to throwing the combos due to being taken down, having that quick, crisp jab was effective yes, safe yes and had very good technique. It was funny, I was watching the fight with a friend whose wife is a HUGE boxing fan and we couldn’t get her to like MMA. Her brother is a professional Boxing trainer who worked with Freddy Roach and she was watching that fight and knew one of them had been trained by Freddy and as soon as GSP threw that jab she got all excited and was like “that’s Freddy right there!” She now sort of enjoys MMA lol.
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by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
spot on
surprising, considering the source of the comment
pride never die.
First
I must commend whomever put that together for Nick as hitting all the bases correctly as we know that Nick didn’t come up with this on his own as there is no “fuck” or “fuckhead” or “fucking” in there. If it was Nick, then good on him.
The last sentence was quite strange as it almost seems like he is referrig to this in a 3rd party.
Upcoming sig bet with OilCan - Diaz/Condit
Note to self - don't bet against Diaz but I just can't help doing it....again
Good Point Nick
but the sport IS Mixed Martial Arts. So. Um. Yeah. If you can’t shrug off TDD’s then you don’t belong @ the top. Look at Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, JDS. They have good TDD.
He can shrug off most wrestlers not named Chael Sonnen
are ya missing a chromosome?
It's so easy....
you almost have to wonder if he’s just baiting them? For as feeble as his TDD appears, his submission abilities are equally as strong…….
my guess....
is that Silva could have great TDD if he chose to work on it…..but I suspect he prefers spending his time honing his sub skills…….
or he could lose those kills working the tdd
he would have to change his stance and probably rely on his back leg more, in order to stop most shots.
pride never die.
using your range, attack and footwork
are part of a good TDD
wow, talk about a silva fan in denial
that’s STRIKING not tdd
pride never die.
defensive striking/evasion
take down DEFENSE is not just about the hips in mixed martial arts
ya because you're a fighter eh
and an expert in TDD. ROFL
I see what you're saying...
The first step to take down defense is probably to stay out of range of the take down…lol…I definitely won’t argue that…and Anderson is a master at range
for sure
but if someone isnt trying to take you down, then its hard to say that they are displaying good takedown defense
The reason someone might not try take you down is because they’re out of range. Anderson doesn’t get taken down much, so his TDD is good.
Bobby Southworth
anderson doesn't get taken down much because he avoids wrestlers
and when he fights one, he gets taken down you dumbass troll
pride never die.
fedor? of course, he has great tdd
and is every bit as good if not better than silva off his back
pride never die.
He was taken down at will by Mark Hunt LOL. I don’t even believe you’re trolling, I just think you’re deluded and know nothing about the sport.
Bobby Southworth
I can't believe i'm agreeing with Danago
but ^ this
Fedor is not the GOAT.
And his TDD wasn’t all that great either, but he was always dangerous off his back so it didn’t matter.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Renan barao?
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He avoids wrestlers?
He is the champ. The UFC tells him who he fights.
And if he avoids wrestlers, why has he been open to the idea of fighting GSP, who is the best MMA wrestler?
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lol, thanks
was about to post something similar (size)
pride never die.
I'm sure GSP would be open to fighting
Edgar at WW as well.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 2, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
supossedly, gsp walks around at 190lbs
silva has stated to walk around at 220lbs. So yeah, that’s 30lbs
pride never die.
Its not 30 lbs
Newsflash: GSP does not walk around at 170 all year round
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192 actually and Silva at 220
whats your point?
he was 220 during some lame MTV cribs shit when he had a long layoff between fights
Big whoop.
And my point is that even your contrived numbers don’t correlate to a 30 lb difference.
What was your point?
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28... thats pretty close to 30 man
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Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week
by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
18-1 is pretty close to 19-0
yet they are soooooo far apart
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If you look above you will see...
ok 28 pounds
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I look above and I see
Because he outweighs him by 30 pounds
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up
Until you were proven wrong
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Semantics for no reason...
Its 2 lbs.. no reason to even debate that…
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If GSP and Anderson each stepped on the scale right now, I'd be willing to bet money that the difference in weight is less than 28 lbs.
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Could be
Im not arguing with that one way or the other.
Might be a bad time to do that tho since GSP is probably pretty out of shape atm
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Just like Anderson was during Yo MTV Cribs
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Could be
My point is this.. why is this even an argument… who gives a shit
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Some Jew with a foot fetish, that's who
This all started when I said Anderson doesn’t avoid wrestlers considering he is willing to fight the greatest wrestler in MMA.
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But he does avoid wrestlers in his that are his size.
I know it hurts you to know that. And that is ok.
LOL, so you are saying that the champion get to select whomever he wishes to fight?
Or does he fight the number one contender?
Come on now, don’t act stupid.
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I'm not acting stupid
Haven’t you ever heard fighters thanking the Champ for taking the fight?
nope
And if they did, it was probably because the champ fought through an injury when he could have pulled out.
Stupid.
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Yup, that same rock that smacked your skull as a small, incapable child
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ok now you are the one acting stupid
go to your appointment now. Nothing to see here.
To be fair..
“I’d like to thank Dana and (insert champion) for the opportunity” is every fighters post speech… But it really is just a respect thing. Champs fight no 1 contenders… Period. So you’re both right… Hug it out
by PorkchopSandwich on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not always
Brock wasn’t number one when he got his shot.
True...
But in a weak division, there wasn’t a clear cut No1 contender fight, or a fight that made more sense. This isn’t an example that backs your champion chooses opposition
by PorkchopSandwich on Feb 2, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
What inside source do you have that tells you he avoids wrestlers?
And saying Anderson fights smaller guys hasn’t been a credible point in months, MONTHS!
AND, name better MW wrestlers DESERVING of a title shot that are better wretslers than Chael and Hendo
HE ALREADY FOUGHT THE TWO BEST WRESTLERS IN THE MW DIVISION AND BEAT THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My fucking word. Thank goodness I have to run to a dr’s appt now. This is just ridiculous.
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Hendo fights at 205 and he is rematching Chael in the summer
Come again?
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We will see if the Chael fight happens
That took a lot of arm twisting from Dana and lots of luck that Chael won his 2 fights which AS was hoping he’d lose. He can;t duck him no more.
Haha...you're hilarious...
How do you know it took a lot of arm twisting…Anderson defended his title twice since fighting Chael…hurt himself while Chael was already scheduled to fight someone else…then like right after Chael beat Bisping it was announced that he would fight Anderson in Brazil this summer…
So where is the arm twisting and luck you speak of?
There was no elbow injury
Come on man, seriously you believed that? Remember when Dana said he would be stupid not to book chael vs As after chael beat stann? all of the sudden Chael is fighting Spitsbing? you didnt notice that?
Didn't even know...
I don’t really pay attention to their injuries…there are tons of fighters that sit out because of injuries…if a fighter says he’s injured, I just say okay and watch whatever event is scheduled next
I guess Sean Sherk is ducking Evan Dunham though
If you're face palming my Sherk comment I'll elaborate
People claim Anderson is a duck because he says he’s injured
Well Sean Sherk has been injured for a while…and hasn’t fought since that razor thin decision win over Dunham…so by the logic used to talk junk about Anderson I can assume Sherk is ducking Dunham
Is sherk the champ now?
and Dunham the number 1 contentder? facepalm again sorry.
Oh so if you're the champion you can't sit out a bit to heal your body eh...
Cause Anderson doesn’t deserve to heal up and be ready to defend his title…hmmm…wow…
With all this inside info, I feel privileged to be chatting with Joe Silva himself.
Too bad Deuce wasn’t around. He’d ask you for a leg kick.
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Are you serious?
You buying the Chael hype… Chael Lost to Anderson… Comes back wins 2 fights and fight happens… Yet Andy is ducking him… Wtf? Unless you are rubbing Chaels nut a little hard or know something we don’t… That’s silly
by PorkchopSandwich on Feb 2, 2012 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha...if you smashed a guy at the bar
And years after he shows up asking for a rematch, would you care?
If I were getting paid for it and people wanted to see it, yes I would.
GSP didn’t duck KOS
You said something about a bar
Never mentioned I was the Champion
You said GSP didn't duck Kos in a rematch
And I said, GSP didn’t finish Kos and they weren’t fighting for a title…in the rematch they were fighting for a title…as in Kos had worked his way back up
Chael now truly deserves a title shot…but to say he would have deserved one right after losing to Anderson and serving a one year suspension would have been silly…to say he deserves a rematch after being Brian Stann would have been silly…but you can say it now…so if Anderson was ducking Chael before now, he was right to do so
Hughes beat GSP the first time...then GSP won 5 straight fights to get a rematch
And then the 3rd fight was a rubber match…
So why should I use that as an example?
Because someone said
and I think it was you, something along the lines of why would AS fight someone whom he is already beaten,
then it was prob the other dude
it is hard having a discussion with two morons at the same time. pun intended.
JK
AS can't duck him anymore
he is out of options, and absolutely that should have been an immidiate rematch as soon as Chael came back.
In what universe does the challenger lose to the champion and get an immediate rematch
Tell me when that has ever happened? Please
Haha way back when the UFC was young and didn't have many contenders, especially at HW
I’ll give you credit on the find
it took a lot of brain cells from my part
and you said in what Universe remember?
Bj - Frankie. Gotcha Starr.
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shit. Challenger lose. Fuck me. Im just being stupid.
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Prove that the difference is greater
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I don't have to
Just go back to interviews and you will see for yourself
Nope
But I do think he walks around close to that
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if his fight weight is 205lbs...
Cause he’s not a bulkier man than Vitor and Vitor weighed 205lbs against AJ…and AJ weighed 211lbs and was gigantic…unless we’re saying Anderson is bigger than how AJ was when he fought Vitor
Joe Riggs "walked around" at 300 lbs once upon a time
But that doesn’t mean he weighted 300 lbs when he was fighting in the WW division.
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GSP weighs like 192 when he fights
He has a knee injury right now…I bet he weighs over 200lbs…
Does that mean he’s over 200lbs ALL the time? Or that scenario only applies to Anderson?
Oh...so if Anderson has an injury and puts on weight...
We can safely assume that’s the weight he carries all the time, okay gotcha
He avoids wrestlers?
Or the good wrestlers haven’t been good enough to work their way up the ladder…Hendo and Chael were able to…there were other great wrestlers at MW like Rosholt…he wasn’t good enough to make it to the top…Munoz is a great wrestler, he has yet to make it to the top…Wiedman, same thing…
Is Zuffa supposed to match Anderson with wrestlers just because they are wrestlers or because they won the fights they needed to deserve a title shot?
who did maia beat to get a title shot?
who did leites beat? who did marquardt the mediocre beat? who did vitor fucking beat?! zuffa will pair silva with whomever they want.
rightful title shots & entertainment rarely mix well
pride never die.
Vitor beat Rich Franklin and was on a decent win streak for the time.
Nate was probably a time filler for when rich was waiting to fight Silva.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
vitor beat rich at franklilnweight
not mw
pride never die.
Maia beat Chael
Anyway….who says only a collegiate wrestler has good take downs in MMA…GSP is an example of someone who never competed in wrestling but uses it quite effectively in the cage…I’ve seen Maia take Munoz down…is that not good wrestling? Or does he have to be an All American?
maia beat chael... and then lost to marquardt the mediocre in one punch
then he beat dan miller, i believe
pride never die.
Goes to show you it takes a whole lot more than being good at take downs to be a successful fighter...
Saying Anderson doen’t have good TDD means nothing, because no one has been able to exploit that since he started fighting for the UFC…does anyone say GSP has bad striking defense? Because he gets hit a lot more than Anderson, just like Anderson gets taken down more than GSP…or is Anderson the only fighter that should be critiqued to such extent?
You can't must name names of people that got a title shot without naming the fighter that deserved it more at the time
That proves nothing. The division was shit back then and that was the best they had to offer.
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the division is shit, still
i thought for a minute weidman would save us all from having the silva beatdown matches but alas, he looked like shit and i’ve lost hope for that division
pride never die.
yeah, that was the most unispiring performance I have ever seen.
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The division isn't shit...
It’s one of the few divisions where fighters have found success in multiple divisions…
Other than GSP what fighters at WW could be a top MW? What fighters at LW could be a top WW…
I never understood this “the MW division is weak” talk and I really think it’s a justification for those who bash Anderson’s accomplishments.
I agree.
It actually has more top contenders or potential title fights than most divisions.
Now, count up your crimes!
A couple years ago, it wa really weak though.
Really. It was.
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so i geuss, by that theory
Kalib Starnes has the best TDD in the sport….just run away. hard to get taken down like that
If someone can avoid being hit, then they have great defense. It’s no different with take downs. The ability to move around your opponent, stay out of range and punish your opponent when he shoots is your defense, kid. It’s a very effective one in Andersons case. Anderson is the GOAT kid.
Bobby Southworth
Why not just agree that his TDD is ok, but looks bad when he fights guys with great wrestling bases?
Now, count up your crimes!
I dont feel like he even tries to stop the TD that much
He is a good ground fighter and has no problem fighting on the ground
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
True... as with anyones strengths...
You want to limit their strengths and take advantage of your own
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it's like saying pat barry has great takedown defense because he always comes to bang!
going with that line of thinking, diaz has the best tdd ever!
pride never die.
No, because Diaz is contantly moving forward making him susceptible to the takedown
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vhw is simply the biggest hater on mania...
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Good footwork could be a big contributor to one's takedown defense
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footwork in the clinch, yeah
as in posturing, spreading, pinning the leg that stays behind.
staying away from your rival is a good gameplan, not takedown defense
pride never die.
I suppose what I'm talking about should be called takedown avoidance then
But if your distance and footwork is preventing your opponent from even attempting a takedown, shouldn’t that be considered defense against the takedown?
I could easily argue both sides of that argument.
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i'd consider it a great game plan if you're not a competent wrestler
i can agree with silva playing to his own strenghts but to go as far as to say he has decent tdd would be an overstatement
pride never die.
I don't think he has good takedown defense, but I do think that footwork plays a role in preventing a takedown.
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really?
really? i mean really?
don’t confuse striking with a game plan, don’t confuse a game plan with takedown defense. They all are different things.
silva has shit takedown defense, deal with it
pride never die.
with the shit takedown defense chael is not winning a rematch
"When you believe in something and you're a good person...things happen" - Junior Dos Santos
probably not
they will both be on something so chael will be able to perform again but i wouldn’t rule out silva doing roids too, just so he can have an edge on strenght.
it’s going to be a fair match this time, though
pride never die.
Silva doesn't need an edge in strength...he never did...
He punches you with his fists, not his biceps…and BJJ is intended for the smaller man to overcome the bigger man anyway
its not always about stuffing. it s always about avoiding.
which imo silva is one of the best at!
by letstalkmma on Feb 2, 2012 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dan Henderson
remember him?
sure he gets taken down but he’s show he can submit, or get back on his feet
so argument fail
how the fuck is that an argument fail>?
you claim he has good TDD – no he doesnt.
Sayin he has good submission does not mean he has good TDD
I didn't say amazing TDD
I said good TDD – good enough to keep him on the feet
no need to swear homie don’t be an emotional wreck
I guess you struck a nerve?
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
dealing with idiots do that to me
he does have good enough TDD to keep maia and laites off him…but anyone with relatively good takedowns get him down
in all fairness, maia didn't even try the takedown
he was all pulling guard in that match
pride never die.
so you cant say
“argument fail” when we are arguing about Silva’s TDD, and you use the fact he subbed Hendo as an argument…that doesnt make a lick of sense
my argument was he's well rounded. you're nitpicking
he’s good enough to sub, or shrug TD’s when he can, basically he’s complete. how often do you see him on his back, aside from Chael’s fight? again, angry nitpickers are angry
If you can’t shrug off TDD’s then you don’t belong @ the top. Look at Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, JDS. They have good TDD.
Here is what you said, so me saying he doesnt have good TDD is not nitpicking, its replying to what you said
as i said, Lutter got him down for god sake. hendo got him down…fact is, his TDD is his weakest part of his game!
using his range, footwork, and attack
aww Lutter got him down, big whoop. Hendo got him down, again, big whoop. they still lost.
so is your argument that Silva is good off his back, or has good TDD
cause you started with his TDD, now on to his submissions
here ill even help you out…Yes! Silva is excellent off his back. No! He doesnt have good TDD
again tell me how often is he on his back
please give me numbers, and not just ones you made up
i already have said people that got him down
and you replied by saying “they lost” so whats the point?
against Chael he was on his back for 24 minutes
oh wait, we cant mention chael. although Bis managed to stuff alot of his attempts…Silva couldnt stop one
His take down defense is ok. He can stop some good take downs but not most of them.
His wrestling is actually pretty impressive when he uses it offensively.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
The big whoop is,hois Tdd is his biggest weakness
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*his
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats all im saying, and pretty much everyone knows this
not sure why Rucker has to argue this one so much
maybe its his favorite fighter
You know when people are emotionally invested they can be irrational at times
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm actually not a big AS fan
but I can’t argue the fact that he’s a pretty complete fighter. and an amazing fighter.
Anderson's lack of TDD defense is as relevant as GSP's inability to speak English fluently...
Neither has led to a loss in the cage
Yeah but GSP speaks better English
than Silva, so what?
when he's at 205
"When you believe in something and you're a good person...things happen" - Junior Dos Santos
You didn't catch the analogy...
What I’m saying is…everyone wants to point out that Anderson has bad TDD and yet he’s the champion…and has been for years
P.S…wrestlers aren’t the only ones that can have good take downs in MMA so if the argument is that Anderson hasn’t faced enough wrestlers, then…I don’t know whaaaaat to say in response
Anderson doesn't care about getting taken down cause no one will finish him there and since
He is the best we’ve ever seen he knows he can finish the fight anyway whether it’s in the first minute or last minute .
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by wooly shambler on Feb 2, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup...he doesn't care about getting taken down or held against the cage...
He’s composed everywhere the fight goes…
When Yushin had him against the cage, he didn’t even try to get away
Vitor only got the take down because...
Anderson tried to hit him with the sweet chin music…either way, he was up right away..
I understand what diaz is trying to say
But reality is whether you refer to a fighter as an athlete,good striker or wrestler it doesn’t matter, its about who is the most complete fighter when the cage door closes
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tank Abbott vs anyone he's ever beaten.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I used the same logic,
I just thought of Lesnar and fill in the blank
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
thousands
Any win by a one dimensional fighter.
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who said the most complete fighter "always" wins?
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If a fighter takes some one down, doesnt advance position, doesnt posture up and land damaging blows...just sits in guard and does nothing but defend submissions..the way clay guida, fitch, and GSP have on a regular basis, how does that mean that they are
the more complete fighter that night? they just showed that they had better takedowns then their opponent had takedown defense….and like every fighter in the UFC. If you have top position and you arent attempting to pass guard, land strikes, or go for submissions….you are probably going to be next to impossible to submit, even when you are facing a known wizard like werdum, or maia. so should a fighter like that even get respect for submission defense?
Wins like that only prove that you had better takedowns then your opponent had takedown defense, and its a disgusting loophole in the judging and mma system that causes many times the best fighter that night, or the more complete fighter not winning the judges decision
with all that being said
GSP is the most complete fighter the WW division has ever had
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahaha ok..enjoy the rest of your day
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's also a BJJ black belt and has good striking.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
what bjj black belt? i didnt even see a bjj brown belt out there against dan Hardy!
when did you see him display bjj black belt?
now could you fathom that some bjj teacher gave gsp a black belt to get the publicity of being able to say that " Gsp is a so and so blackbelt?" hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I know bjj very well, and i dont care what anyone tells me I havent seen anything that resembles bjj black belt out of gsp since he finished Hughes wit that inverted triangle?armbar?kimura…do you realize how long ago that was?
His striking is good but that is just safe game planning by the Jackson camp, that's why we have not seen much of his striking.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. A true BJJ BB takes Hardy's arm home for the night.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
No. I thought so too at first but it was confirmed that he just had the improper technique by his BJJ coach.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really?
Makes sense, but I still think it was bent enough to make a lot of guys tapping. The Kimura that is, the arm bar looked painful but lesser men still could have survived.
Now, count up your crimes!
i couldnt believe that. his knees were WIDE open. didnt squeese hardys arm with his knees at all.
the kimura, on the other hand, that i attribute to a combo of dan hardy being a tough mofo and GSP not having the killer instinct when it comes to sub, the way Mir does.
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by A.K on Feb 2, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
yep
"Jack of all trades, Master of none. Master of few, Jack everyone."- Greg Nelson
by A.K on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
All you're saying is your an idiot.
There was no ground action (or barely) in his last two fights (Shields and Koscheck). And since he only fought 3 times these last two years, what you brain is trying to do is tell us that GSP made two mistakes against Hardy therefore he is not a black belt BJJ. Coming from someone with an extensive history of retard statements, it ain’t worth much I can tell you that.
I don’t know many people on the internet who try as hard as you do to portray himself as a hateful dick. Why?
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THE TRUTH!
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just because he didn't pull a submission on hardy he's not a black belt?
So I guess big nog is a fraud for getting his arm snapped to..it happens
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just a lack of evidence in his favor, that's all.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His BJJ is suspect as evidenced by the Hardy fight. Whether it has gotten better remains to be seen.
GSP has :
Striking
Footwork
TDD
TD
All at high levels.
BJJ? Not so much…
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
There have been many black belts that have failed to secure submission that means everyone is suspect?
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
See above post.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
If I understand,
You select two failed submission attempts from two years ago and choose to ignore everything else?
He passed the guard 137 times against a supposedly world class BJJ artist in BJ Penn but that doesn’t count.
He did the same against Jon Fitch, something no one had ever done before or since but that doesn’t count.
He submitted Matt Hughes with one of the most brilliant sub attacks in history but that too, doesn’t count.
I could go on and on like that OJ, about staying in top position, improving position, defending sub attacks but I won’t. Apparently you’re mind is made up already.
So what is he you say? A brown belt? Purple?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
That's because it's easier to be a jack of all trades
Than a master of one , and most fighters take that route .
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by wooly shambler on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well if mma judging and refereeing would finally be changed....then this would be eliminated from the sport
and the sport would drastically improve.
the time is now! how do athletic commissions not care? you wont ever get it perfect, but the system is so fucked up that its easy to improve it. But these Fuck faces genuinly dont give aq fuck. they just continue to cash their checks and its a joke…and the ones that are sufferikng are the fighters robbed of victory and money for their families, and the fans that spend their hard earned money on a product!
Its such a joke that a couplle of rich fucks cant take a few hours out of their rich, check cashing lives to sit down and improve the rules. i mean some changes are so god damn obvious that it wouldnt even be hard!
what a fucking joke! the world needs to petition, because its really disgusting when you think about fighters being robbed of their hard work and sacrafice, because people are too fucking lazy to make a few small changes
Agreed.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
MMA scoring adn judging is fine
All fighters know what’s expected of them and its up to them to win the fight
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by letter19 on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its slanted towards wrestlers with great top control - even if they do not advance position or inflict any offense.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say it works against flat footed fools who can't sprawl.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Totally agree
Although I’m not certain exactly what I would implement. Meaning I’m not sure I’m educated on the sport enough to explain what I would change. If you could change a few things specifically, what would they be?
I’m down with starting a petition
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
lol..no doubt
Seems like the UFC should have enough pull, and desire to see some true changes.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Great fighter but...
Someone needs to get him in public speaking classes.
Why?
After his next fight he won’t be the radar anymore.
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Note to self - don't bet against Diaz but I just can't help doing it....again
by hairybumcrack on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
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Nick Diaz Fan
I’ve always been a fan of Nick Diaz fighting but seing his “human” side makes me a fan of the person as well. There is no BS here. What you see is what you get.
Anybody think Condit’s length will be difficult for Nick? closest person to his own body type he has fought
"When you believe in something and you're a good person...things happen" - Junior Dos Santos
Yea i see that which is why i think Nick is going to get dropped a few times. When daley dropped him nick dodged moat of his follow up shots with his head facing the mat I was like “what the fuck that was badass”. I think Carlos may last longer than daley did but I see diaz winning by sub or tko. There Aww going to be moments where it looks like Nick is I. trouble but he’ll be ok. I like both these dudes but i just knew of diaz before I knew of Carlos so i got to go with the guy I’ve been a fan of longer
by zesotheclown on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
all great !
All are great fighters! I hope diaz wins and gets that fight with gsp tho! I dnt think gsp could lay n pray with diaz.
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by simmo on Feb 2, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
GSP doesn't simply lay on fighters in my opinion.
He just fails to finish, he’s always trying to grab a limb or switch to a better position and just can’t get it most the times. If he fights Diaz he’ll out wrestle him easy and since Diaz is great at BJJ, I don’t see much chance of GSP being able to sub him.
Now, count up your crimes!
by Cyclonejoker on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Nick wouldn’t mind it if gsp took him down because I see him winning that fight by sub. Gsps strongest skill is diazs weakness but Nick has grown his bjj and i see him winning that fight by an armbar. But if they do fight I hope Gsp tries to prove a point and just stand with diaz so diaz can embarrass gsp. Gap does have good stand up but diaz has fought many good stand up fighters and has beat them
by zesotheclown on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's obvious nobody watched the interview because the actual topic here should be "WTF I never said that"
The UFC edited Diaz to sound like he was bragging.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Yeah, some how this thread became about Anderson Silva's take down defense.
Now, count up your crimes!
hahah and his weight!!
Cant forget that
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Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week
by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's like looking on Wikipedia when you're bored, you always end up reading about something completely different than what you started on.
Now, count up your crimes!
True... and ppl fill the wiki with garbage all the time
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Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week
by enzo-enormous on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, Diaz doesn't work well for sound bytes
He speaks slowly and considers his thoughts carefully, so getting him to say something quick isn’t convenient for the promos
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
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by Elitex10x on Feb 2, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"When you believe in something and you're a good person...things happen" - Junior Dos Santos
by Elitex10x on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This thread isn't about Anderson Silva fuckface
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
I'm fuckin the dog at work. How can a 300 comment thread not have gigs
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4-2,
Condit over Diaz - Shivan"Diesel"Tiger
by Cruz Jackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm fuckin the dog at work. How can a 300 comment thread not have gifs?
I can never get sick of Anderson gif’s. Unambig you been a vicious mOtha fucka since the unmask threads. I’m lovin it.
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by Cruz Jackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah GSP is so not a martial artist
you know with his
bjj black belt
3rd dan black belt in Kyokushin kaikan
elite level wrestling
and his very good technical boxing
he is just all strength lol
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