What does BJ Penn need to find before he can return to the UFC?
by Jesse Holland on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST
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Himself.
That's according to the Hawaiian "Prodigy," who is taking some time away from the sport of mixed martial arts (MMA) to reflect on the "heartbreaking" losses he's endured over the last several years, dating back to his fourth round technical knockout stoppage (towel) against Georges St. Pierre at UFC 94.
And his pair of losses to Frankie Edgar.
While his unanimous decision defeat to Nick Diaz at UFC 137 last October was the straw that broke the camel's back, Penn is more interested in finding himself "as a person" than he is as a fighter. To that end, he's enjoying a "normal" life for the first time in 15 years.
The former two-division champion elaborates to ESPN's Brett Okamoto, after the jump.
"I’m enjoying my time away from the sport. That’s where I am right now. I’m living a regular life instead of living the roller coaster. I haven’t [lived a normal life] in 15 years. I’m trying to find myself a little bit -- not as a fighter trying to come back to the sport, but just as a person ... I’m heartbroken with the way some of the fights went. The way my UFC 94 fight [against Georges St. Pierre] and my fights with Frankie Edgar went, I’m heartbroken about those fights. I feel I could have made better choices but I don’t feel a major urge that I’ve got to go fix that right now."
Penn fans began to stir when news broke that UFC President Dana White was not only considering a pay-per-view (PPV) event at the Aloha Stadium in Hawaii, but that he also wanted its top fighter to headline the show.
Would that be enough to coax the 34-year-old master grappler out of his self-imposed sabbatical?
For now, Penn just "doesn't know" what his future holds. He's 1-3-1 over his last five fights and that lone victory came over a broken down Matt Hughes. Can he still be competitive in today's MMA landscape?
Clock's ticking...
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Let the man be
His head clearly isn’t in it anymore. BJ has nothing left to prove
Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io
by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Kind of agree
Only thing he’d come back to prove is just how overrated he is to the most biased and blind Penn fans who still don’t realize it yet.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
BJ is not overrated at all. People seem very in line with what his skillset is. And he does have his record. BJ can be the highest of highs at times, and lowest of lows, he is an inconsistent performer who has more than his fair share of flashes of brilliance.
The inconsitency has more to do with him
being a front runner than anything else. He can look amazing against lesser fighters, but when he’s truly tested and pushed to the edge, he falls apart. Penn’s hype and “legend” is enormous, yet when you break down his resume for what it truly is, his only truly impressive victory is over Sherk (Penn’s WW career has been a joke, ala Matt Serra…..Hughes I was a fluke and Hughes III was against a chinless grandpa. Gomi obviously wasn’t all he was cracked up to be, especially when he’s up against decent wrestlers/BJJ.) BJ’s definitely largely overrated. No doubt about it.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Yea, Penn breaks mentally when someone is competitive with him. It’s either he blows you out, or he loses a decision.
Penn is perhaps the worst decision fighter ever, I don’t think he’s ever won one.
And that is a monstrous detriment.
Can’t be successful against elite competition that way, nor was he. Yet he’s celebrated and this amazing mma fighter.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Agreed, Penn could never be champion again in this day and age. These guys are good enough to finally compete with him.
I just wish he never wasted time at WW.
Wish we could see him against other current LWs (Maynard, Bendo, Miller, Guida, etc).
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Yea, I think Penn always looked down on LW though. Losing twice really broke him, he always wanted to be the smaller guy beating bigger guys and saying, Hey you see how good I am?
Which was amazing for him to do against Fitch and Diaz considering he is smaller than them.
But for a smaller guy to beat him twice, he probably didn’t want to risk that again, and BJ being out of contention because he already lost twice to the champion probably felt like a bad nightmare to him.
True,
but I honestly think it had more to do with the weakness/unknown of the LW division than it was his size. I believe BJ would’ve much rather lost to a known, top-ranked WW than risk losing to an lesser-known LW with little upside. I’m sure he enjoyed not having to cut all that weight, too.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
solid evidence from you
i must be wrong! lol
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
One or the weakest
Troll attempts I have ever seen
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t even know if YOU know what your saying. That’s an even keeled statement, how can it be trolling idiot
firstly
i was replying to UFChamp comment not yours, which was a blatent troll attempt to get BJ Penn fans going….i agree with what you wrote…
so before you start calling people idiots, read, comprehend and realize i wasn’t posting to you
its not hard to follow the comments section….
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
all good
ive done it too
i still love you 123 lol
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
that is all this guy does
He posts nothing else but Penn hate. We get it dude. Before you know it, he is going to want to break down the 2nd round of the Jon Fitch fight.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
hahahaha
i think hes broke that down over 50 times on here
i never want to discuss that fight again!
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he will go away
but doubtful. He has a serious hard on for BJ. This is ALL he ever wishes to discuss. Quite funny and fucking insane at the same time.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
yeah its kinda odd
He prob lost a tonne of money better Penn over Edgar or something…
he has mentioned the name “penn” in 80 of his comments…and hes only commented just over 1100 times…bad ratio lol
Nick Diaz sucks balls , he can’t hang with the elite WW’s he only looks good against 2nd rate guys in SF
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, Deuce
I’ll always feel the same about your boy BJ. Far from the only only thing I discuss, though. You just happen to remember my Penn discussions because they bother ya so much. ;)
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Troll attempt, eh?
What am I using as evidence that’s so wrong? Riddle me that. Or are you just in denial and can’t make a case against mine?
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
im def not going to get involved with a BJ Penn argument with you
i just dont care enough
your entitled to your opinion, but you troll when you agree penn has accomplished a lot and then say all he has to prove is how overrated he is…..
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I don't think he's accomplished all that much
He beat Sherk and that’s about the only impressive MMA accomplishment, to me. Why even comment on my post if you don’t have the kahunas to defend your point? A troll says ridiculous stuff that is indefensible. I can certainly defend the notion that BJ is vastly overrated. He just keeps making it easier for me to do, too.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
id say beating hughes in his prime was a pretty big accomplishment
or holding both the lw and ww belts
or fighting 4 weightclasses above your natural weight and not doing so bad against machida
beating sherk as you said who was number 1 at the time
beating gomi who was top 5 at the time coming off his only loss
drawing fitch ( i dont care if you think that was a win or a loss for him ) a natural lw still drew against the number 2 ww in the world.
I dont even like penn to be honest i just think its funny how blind you are to the fact that he has done a lot. and your favorite fighter has done considerably less…..
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The win over hughes in their 1st meeting was obviously a fluke.
Holding both belts, while rare, can easily be belittled. He was LW champ after beating Joe Stevenson. LW was so weak it was ridiculous. He was handed an undeserved title shot against Hughes and Matt underestimated Penn. No different than Serra/GSP.
Anyone can fight above their weight class. Just because you don’t want to eat a bunch of twinkies and lose a match doesn’t make it a bad thing.
I gave credit for the Sherk victory.
Gomi has turned out to be overrated himself. If he was fighting more wrestlers/BJJ, he wouldn’t have built his rep up so much.
As for Fitch, if you go over the stats and rewatch the fight, you can’t argue against the scoring of 29-27 for Fitch. That was a robbery. And it was a draw anyway. I don’t think moral victories should count when dissecting an “all-time great’s” career.
My favorite fighter has done much more than beat one other elite fighter. Hell, his wins over Couture alone trump BJ’s career. Or just his wins over Tito.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Fluke or not it was a win
And this is exactly why I didn’t want to involve myself with this….your arguments are more opinions then anything
Everything you just said can easily be flipped into the same argument for chuck liddell
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Well if flukes don't matter to you,
I don’t ever want to hear you bad mouth Matt Serra’s career. He beat the best WW of all time.
Of course they are opinions…………opinions that are very logical and explained.
Sum up Chuck’s career as I have Penn’s. If you do so with any logic at all, Chuck’s career easily exceed’s BJ’s. There’s no comparison.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Ok
I give him credit for beating belfort Back in the day.
As your sig says Tito is extremely overrated so I guess he doesn’t get credit for those wins
Randy couture as you agreed in this thread is also extremely overrated so no credit there as well
Jeremy horn was an average win but he didn’t even beat him really, horn couldn’t see so he thru in the towel
I don’t consider babalu an important win at all. And beating an over the hill wanderlei was ok I guess
Now we get into the part of his career when he fought top competition Where he lost 5 of 6
And my closing argument for this all is, he lost to KEITH JARDINE. Seals it for me. Everyone beats him. Except chuck…..
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
1st off,
You can’t just pick and choose between who I say is overrated and use it against me. 2nd, just because I think they’re overrated doesn’t mean I think they’re awful. Couture and Ortiz are both still better than Sherk. And I never said Couture’s extremely overrated. Tito and BJ, yes.
Last time I checked, beating someone up to the point of them not being able to see is a clean finish. If that’s not a win for you, I guess you don’t count decision wins as wins either, huh? lol
Wandy was less over the hill than Chuck was.
As for his losses in the end, obviously Chuck’s chin was long gone. Not like he was young. The man was 37. The Jardine fight was simply a bad night for Chuck. Happens to most fighters. BJ lost to JENS PULVER. Who the hell loses to Pulver? lol And BJ was beat down into “retirement” at the young age of 32……THIRTY TWO!!!
How has Penn done lately? Just 1 win in his last 5 fights, and that happened to be against a 37-year-old chinless Hughes. I find it hilarious that you don’t consider Belfort, Ortiz, Overeem, Babalu, etc top competition yet you somehow feel BJ beat any top competition? lol BJ’s WW career is no better than Matt Serra’s. Meanwhile, his division happened to be the weakest in MMA, which is why he moved up……to you know……fight someone relevant. How’d that work out? LOL Sorry for embarrassing you and your boy BJ.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
Well if there overrated like you said why would I consider them big wins?
If u read what I wrote I credited him with belfort. Babalu, what did he do that deserves credit? Overeem Lost to everyone at lhw cus it wasn’t his right weight class. I’ll even give him credit for that, screw it.
I count dec wins as much as I count tko cus of injury. It is what it is. Not super impressive but a win
When chuck lost to jardine. Jardine wasnt a top ten lhw. When penn lost to pulver, pulver was considered by many to be the number one lw in the world.
Once again. As I stated before. I don’t care for penn. not one of my fav fighters by any means. It’s just your so blinded by your hate for him your opinions are comical.
The fact remains the UFC wasn’t super strong and deep on talent back then so both chuck and penn can be seen as overrated.
The fact that you argue for one and support the other really undermines your argument and makes you look ignorant.
And I don’t get why you keep bringing serra up. If u watch that fight it wasn’t as fluke as much as st Pierre not being ready ( even he said that was the case after). It wasn’t one clean shot that led to gsp tapping to strikes. It was many well executed combos that sent him to the mat and had him begging for the ref to step in.
But hey. Anythng that doesn’t support your argument you’ll just chalk up to a fluke tho right?
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Well if what I say goes,
then I say BJ’s overrated and why are we even having this conversation?
Now we get into the part of his career when he fought top competition Where he lost 5 of 6
that quote is why I brought Belfort back up. That comes off as you saying Chuck didn’t fight anybody until the end, in which he mostly lost. Certainly not the case.
As for Jardine’s ranking vs Pulver’s, that just goes to show you how weak the young LW division was.
My opinion of Penn being so overrated was the start of my hate for him, not vice versa. Not blind at all. Break down his career logically with an open mind and compare that to his hype and he’s clearly overrated. I’ll debate this with anyone for any length of time as long as they’re being realistic and logical. What details have I laid out that have been so ridiculous?
And what’s your point with the GSP/Serra fight? You’re saying GSP underestimated Serra and that’s why he lost? Well, duh…….you don’t think Chuck underestimated Jardine when he wasn’t even top 10, as you mentioned??? lol I call a fluke what I can support as being a fluke. Up until his last 3 matches in which he lost, what fighters could say that got the best of Chuck up to that point? Only Rampage and Keith Jardine. Compare those 2 guys along with the other top fighters Chuck beat………….is there a name that stands out? That would be Jardine. If they had an immediate rematch and you had to bet $1,000 one of them, who would you have put it on? That’s what I thought.
And I’m glad you brought up Babalu not being deserving. He has wins over Shogun, Sonnen, and Horn. Outside of Hughes (even though it was a fluke) and Sherk (Diaz & Florian?), who else has a BJ victim beat??? I guess you could count the GSP/Serra fluke if you wanted to. lol I guess if I remember right, Diego also beat Diaz & Florian. Wow….that’s some impressive list, isn’t it? Ouch, you really dug yourself a hole on that one!
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
This has become to redudent for my tastes
G’day sir
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by Kalejohncox on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Yeah…….that’s what I thought. Told you that was a huge hole you dug for yourself bringing up their opponents’ resumes. That was your downfall. I’ll take the fact that you’re giving up to mean that you really didn’t believe this BS. Good to know, although I wish you didn’t waste our time with it or at least had been a man about it and admitted you were wrong. Oh well………
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
I think it's funny..
that a Chuck Liddell fan is calling another fighter overrated. Especially when that fighter has accomplished more than Chuck ever did such as holding two different belts in the UFC.
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I needed a good laugh. One could argue Chuck being overrated due to his amazing popularity and many top LHWs fighting in Pride during his time, but there’s no chance anyone can argue that he’s more overrated than Penn. Penn’s the most overrated MMA fighter of all time.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
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He's overrated, too,
but I don’t think as much as BJ. I think Randy’s had a better career, yet it seems to me as though BJ is thought of as being greater.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
so don't come back
I feel I could have made better choices but I don’t feel a major urge that I’ve got to go fix that right now.
still a fan but it pisses me off when penn says or does stupid shit such as this
pride never die.
I agree.
Big time excuse maker!! Maybe a different camp would’ve helped B… Get some advice besides “this gut doesn’t belong in the cage with you BJ”
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by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Idk bout the franky Edgar fight.
But the fight against gsp I know bj cud have put up a better fight for sure. He was slacking like a mofo about training. I saw the countdown or prinetime w/e it’s called. He was slacking big time.
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If BJ had taken him down
I think he would have beaten Edgar. BJ is filthy on the ground, with great gnp and slick subs. Frankie would have been in lots of trouble with BJ on his back
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by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
frankie did have bj on his back, and he escaped
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yea Frankie is a scrambling machine. Even BJ needs multiple opportunities to work on a guy like him. Frankie is just too fast, and his scrambling was his main attribute for a long , long time. Now that he’s added elite striking to the mix, he is a dangerous man.
Frankie was always essentially a scrambling wrestler with good cardio prototype similar to a Diego Sanchez build. Frankie’s striking was always competitive, but he’s definitely evolved. I don’t think anyone can just take Frankie down and sub him on their first try, and BJ’s MMA grappling although elite and great and all of that, does not mean that he finishes everyone in one chance.
Heck even Demian Maia has to work to get subs, submissions just are not easy to do for anyone.
yeah frankie is gonna be extremely tough to beat
i like bendo’s chances against him, i think his mix of intense cardio/ wrestling/ chin/ and inability to be submitted can give frankie fits. but you can never count edgar out, EVER!
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
regarding that fight
I just keep asking myself: “What does Benson Henderson do better than Gray Maynard”
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I think he is a much better striker than Maynard.
Overall, he not better than Maynard though. I think Bendo will get taken down quite a few times.
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i think ben is a better grappler, is faster, and has a much more varied striking game
maynard has better power, but benson has the jesus strength on his side
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
with jesus has his training partner, bendo will not lose!
maniacs, can i get an amen?
pride never die.
*crickets*
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
that's strange, i was hoping for boo's
bendo will defeat edgar, though. I’m 100% sure of it
pride never die.
Ground and Pound. But who the hell knows if he can even get Gray down.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
no need to
he’s gonna knock him out cold on the feet, say a prayer and then proceed to celebrate like it’s sunday
pride never die.
I would freaking love that man
I hope you are right. But, like Ulf, I don’t see it.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
I agree Frankie is a stud
But even if BJ had attempted more TDs that fight would’ve gone better imo. He just believed in his hands too much
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by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, to beat the new elite, BJ has to be using an offensive wrestling style. BJ’s wrestling is right up there with damn near anyone when he wants it to be.
BJ would have to be way more aggressive with Frankie, the problem is, BJ’s gas just won’t allow for that kind of gameplan for more than a round.
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by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and if all that fails, arianny beach pics
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I like to get my quota filled early, that way I have the rest of the day to relax and look for other “news”
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by Jesse Holland on Feb 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
yup and he did it with the help of grease
some may forget or remember gsp’s corner was caught red handed putting vaseline on him and got away with it..gsp didnt even show up to court
Yes it's true
Phil Nurse had rubbed vaseline on his shoulders which was wiped off by the commission. Even if they did it again, BJ would lose. Time to move on
i dont think bj will ever have the ambition to make 155 again
and he is not a top contender at ww. Retirement is his best option if his heart isnt in it.
Anderson Silva is going to retire Sonnen in Brazil!
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retirement or just novelty fights i.e. like couture and hughes … bj could still get pay days for fights against
jake sheilds,martin kampmann,thiago alves,even a rematch with diaz
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by Nightmare83 on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yea Penn should just retire. He has amazing accomplishments, and at his age, he’s never going to find that extra motivation to really bring it.
It’s a shame though , Penn physically has a lot more left in the tank, just mentally , he’s not in it.
Retire and enjoy your life BJ, a guy who comes from wealth to do one of the hardest jobs in the world when you didn’t need it for financial reasons, you have more than earned your stake here.
I’m grateful that BJ entertained us for all of these years, and wish him well. An amazing fighter that we got to see skills that were the pinnacle of the sport. We were very lucky to have him.
by p123 on Feb 13, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What does BJ need to find?
a dietitian, work ethic, realistic trainers etc etc
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
it would help him lose weight to
cud make a run at Aldo!!
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by theoregonduck on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL.
Luv that show.
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by antone04 on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well he needs to find the drive to want to do those things. BJ has to want it. That’s not something he can just buy.
But yes, he would be better off if he was thrown into the Marinovich’s and they just forced him to do those things.
If BJ isn’t with the Marinovich’s I personally don’t want to see him fight again. Those are the only guys that are going to guarentee he’s in shape.
And for god’s sake, couple the Marinovich’s with and elite wrestling partner, and BJ is a bad man. BJ needs to be using all of his skills now, and he has elite wrestling when he has a good wrestling training camp.
If BJ was agressive with the takedown, with a decent amount of cardio, he’s damn near invincible.
+100
Randy Couture is my hero. End of story.Io
by danago's manager on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm so tired of hearing about Marinovich/Penn
As far as I know, they worked together for Penn’s 3-fight span of Florian-Sanchez-Edgar I. So he won against the 2 lesser fighters and lost against the elite fighter. And what about the previous LW fight against Sherk? That’s the most impressive victory of his career and it was a full 3 rounds and without Marinovich. BJ has had poor heart/cardio throughout his entire career. Let this weak-ass excuse finally die.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
It’s still the best shape BJ has been in years, perhaps his entire career. No one has gotten BJ into the type of shape Marinovich did.
Whether he was in his best shape is subjective.
Just look at the results, they speak louder.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
BJ was more ripped up than we’ve ever seen him, and his cardio looked much better. He wasn’t breathing hard at all, and appeared to be in much better shape than he was against Joe or Sherk.
The fact of the matter remains.........
BJ’s most impressive win came without marinovich and BJ lost his only fight against an elite opponent during his stint with marinovich. Marinovich isn’t a miracle worker. His presence in BJ’s career is even more overrated than BJ himself, which speaks volumes.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
He moved his camp back to Hawaii for the Edgar fight. He was only purely Marinovich trained for Florian and Sanchez I believe.
I don’t think Marinovich BJ is overrated by myself. He went from being a one round fighter to a two or three round fighter. That’s it really.
Here's a snip I found from a Q&A with BJ
Fan question 1:
What happened between you and Marv?
Penn Response:
The last time I saw or trained with Marv was one month before the first Frankie Edgar fight. We trained in Hilo for two months and he left one month before the fight, which is normal (Marv always leaves 4-5weeks before all the fights that we have worked together Florian, Sanchez, 1st Edgar fight)
So it was for the Edgar fight as well.
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
That’s crazy. I guess your right. BJ did not appear to be in the same shape for Edgar as he was for Florian / Sanchez.
Maybe he just wanted it more?
Florian wanted to " Kill the master "
And Diego wanted to
" Fight me BJ , Fight me! "
Perhaps the opponents really brought Penn to be motivated.
And Frankie never did that?
I don’t know. Fuck that guy for making me think so much.
butthurt by the truth?
Tito Ortiz = BJ Penn = Overrated, excuse-making frontrunner
Fitch clearly won round 2 and the fight against Penn
Sonnen clearly won round 1 and the fight against Bisping
He needs to find a treadmill
and go back to 155.
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