Miesha Tate on Ronda Rousey: Nine times out of 10, wrestling trumps judo
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 11, 2012 2:15 PM EST
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If this feels like a familiar dance, that's because it is.
You should know the story by now. Miesha Tate is the Strikeforce women's bantamweight champion and will defend her title at Strikeforce in Columbus on March 3 against Ronda Rousey, an Olympian judo player with just a few fights under her belt. They were all impressive one minute armbar finishes but how much can one glean from so little action?
It's rather simple for Tate -- wrestling beats judo almost every time. Problem solved.
"I think nine times out of 10, wrestling trumps judo. There's a lot of things I can do as a wrestler to just shut her judo down, nullify it. And my grappling is world class. So far she's shown she has an armbar and she lasts about a minute. She seems real desperate to get the armbar right off the bat, so that leads me to believe maybe she's not well-rounded or doesn't feel confident in her other skills, which I know I am. I've been in the championship rounds, had 20 fights, had six years of experience. I'm really confident going into this fight and I'm excited."
Easier said than done, of course, as Rousey's previous opponents can attest to. World class grappling is all well and good but everyone makes mistakes and against a shark like "Rowdy," it could cost Tate her arm.
Literally.
The bigger story here is that this is likely the biggest women's fight since Gina Carano was soundly defeated by Cristiane Santos all the way back in 2009. So it's kind of a big deal.
Hear Tate talk about all that and more after the jump.
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Rousey by armbar in the 4th.
I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
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I go back and and forth on that one.
I think they are both pretty hot. Ronda may have a slightly cuter face, but Miesha has a great ass.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tate has taken more provocative pix and or video's...
meaning she has dolled up more for fans or media…
i like miesha's lip curl. snarl baby snarl.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
by dandeman on Feb 11, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wrong wrong and wrong , there is more clinching in the standup than actual wrestling on the way to the mat or on it .
Judo blackbelt > good wrestler for mma purposes
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by wooly shambler on Feb 11, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
examples?
I can’t think of one elite judo player that actually uses judo as his main weapon
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sry, I get your point
but i meant elite MMA’ist
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Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
by Eggplant Parm on Feb 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor Emelianenko
1998 Russian National bronze medalist has used plenty of judo techniques in his MMA career.
The Lindland fight is a good example.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
by Eggplant Parm on Feb 11, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
You mean where Fedor saved his ass from being taken down by grabbing the rope?
Which also allowed Fedor to take top position. That was BS. Should have been restarted standing. Maybe even taken a point from Fedor.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
by Eggplant Parm on Feb 11, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it is just me
but I don’t see him grabbing the rope. His hand is on the rope but it’s open.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
by Eggplant Parm on Feb 11, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the ref.
First his entire arm was over the rope, and the ref removed it. Matt moved him away a bit, and Fedor grabbed it again, and the ref stepped in again to knock it off.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Papy abedi , hettes , machida
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by wooly shambler on Feb 11, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and who's that other guy that dominates everyone with it but everyone just refers to his judo as wrestling
Oh ya Jon jones
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by wooly shambler on Feb 11, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is because Jon Jones was a high school and college wrestler.
He calls it wrestling because that is what he is doing.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yea what he is doing is obviously mostly single and double legs ...
Or hip throws and suplexes and trips and body locks
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by wooly shambler on Feb 11, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rhonda is a judo world champion
Tate has world class wrestling?? Did she compete in the Olympics? I would agree that wrestling is better in mma but idk how anyone can be confident in Tate’s wrestling vs Rhonda’s judo. Just because her nickname is takedown?
by cockmeat of the year on Feb 11, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
meisha tate won a silver metal in the world championships in 2008
so i would say she is world class. dont know if she is going to win but she has a chance.
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by Mattyjudo on Feb 12, 2012 6:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Most good judo players in MMA also have a BJJ background which tends to be what people focus on
but there’s actually a lot of judo BBs in high level MMA and many of them, like Aoki, Machida or Maia, use it very well. Maia tossed Sonnen with ease when they fought and Chael is often cited as one of the very best wrestlers in the sport
"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker
by Mattyjudo on Feb 12, 2012 6:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think we have seen time and time again that wrestling is FAR more useful than Judo in MMA. I don't even think that can be argued anymore.
That being said, we are talking about an Olympic level Judo fighter, and only a high school level wrestler, so I do give Ronda the edge in this one.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
There are many more wrestlers transitioning to mma than there are judo players. Did your high school and/or college have a wrestling program or a judo program? In North America there are many more athletes competing in wrestling than judo. The edge that is most obvious for wrestlers is that they do not wear a gi. Judo involves a more rounded grappling game than wrestling.
The gi is exactly the reason why you don't see more Judo fighters.
Without a gi many of the throws can’t be performed. Only a few have been able to transition over to mma for that reason.
by naturalshadow on Feb 11, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jones has a wrestling backround
He threw Matt Hamill with osoto gari and Rampage with ouchi gari. He uses his no greco technique to set up lot of leg throws that are very prevalent in judo.
Ground or stand up i don’t cate I jus wanna see a tittie pop out somewhere
by Cerrone's sombrero on Feb 11, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No shit.
St. Pierre VS Parisyan & Kuiper VS Natal, I can’t wait till these 2 morons are done with their “hyping a fight” so that I can stop hearing about a dead sport
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the POS company 1st Sgt(happened to be a woman) made him take it down because it was offensive to women and depicted homosexuals.
Company Gunny didn’t give two shits though….
I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement
Im a firm believer
that judo is the second weakest base in MMA, next to boxing. And im talking main ones, dont start naming irrelevant karates.
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by wooly shambler on Feb 11, 2012 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes yes ur a judo fan
doesnt change the fact that judo based guys rarely accomplish anything in MMA.
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I was gonna make a case for boxing, but most guys that utilize boxing well have another base that allows them to use their boxing.
JDS though might be one. Nate/Nick would have been another but their BJJ keeps some people away I think and started with BJJ first.
by carlosb on Feb 11, 2012 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
my point isnt that boxing wont work as a base, its just a very difficult one to start with. and yea the Diaz bros were BJJ first, but their boxing is nasty
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Elite athletes are rare.
Rare is a measurement of the low percentage of successful judoka transitioning to MMA. You can continue with your self conforming biases. But until you have some objectivity to your statements, no body cares about you being a “firm believer”. JDS is a boxer. Fedor has a sambo/judo base. Please continue to believe that they have accomplished nothing.
all im saying is statistically
if 10 Judo guys get into mma less will succeed then 10 collegiate wrestlers or great BJJ guys
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Judo is a fantastic base for MMA.
It’s all about the individual though
I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement
i dont see it
Id rather be a wrestler or BJJ guy if im gonna start with a grappling base
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Judo has a lot in common with BJJ just less focus on ground work
it’s great for leverage/throws and submissions
I was too busy eating a cheese burger out of Roy’s beard to pick fights correctly. Next time, ill listen to The Pride
I will stand as Starr788’s personal bodyguard for the next two weeks. If anyone has a problem with him, they have a problem with me. Expect me to fully uphold my end of this agreement
im aware
historically its been less effective in MMA tho
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Judo is great when its part of a larger MMA arsenal. Jon Jones, Machida, and Maia all use Judo throws often but none of them are “judo fighters”. Its an aspect of their game that makes them very dangerous because they can get huge takedowns from the clinch and end up in great positions.
Judo is a tool, not a way to fight in itself. Ronda is an AMAZING judo fighter and actually has some pretty great wresting when you watch her. So far she has been able to just bully women using it and while that works for now, a day will come when she runs into someone she can’t take down. At that point the rest of her MMA game has to shine through, or be her undoing.
This could be that fight. I hope shes got some stand up with that cute face.
All this girl talk isn't going to be relavent when
She see’s Ronda’s big ass coming to detach her arm, I’m not buyin’ it.
i don’t have much love for chicks fighting… no problem at all with the other girl on girl..but punching the shit out of each other..meh..leave it to the guys..and if it were jello or oil wrestling or whatever…i dunno..have chick fights where they don’t punch each other..maybe only subs..lol just don’t make it on the big stage with the big boys…and half man cyborg was the only exciting fighter..the rest mostly look like crap out there..but hey..i will prolly watch this shit to see if either of these bitches can back up all this blah blah
Women’s MMA is still developing. Its a talent pool issue. There are far more male fighters in every male division than there are women in any women’s division. Any time that is the case the quality at the top won’t be as good. The HW division has the same problem to a lesser degree which is why HW fights stink so often.
It’ll get there, and there are definitely some great and exciting women’s fighters. Their biggest divisions, the 105, 115 and 125, rarely get attention from bigger organizations in place of the larger 135 and 145 which are their thinnest divisions. You should watch some more of the lighter weight class fights in SmackGirl
Rousey..
will be rousing in his victory…Tate talks a lot too.. Girls want relevancy..
Rousey is an olympic medalist.. She’s nother level and will show it…
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Even if Tate thinks wrestling trumps judo.. I just don’t think she’s as physically strong as Rousey…So she should be able to impose her will handily on Meisha.. (and it will look good as that happens). ;-)
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I would say and might piss people off by saying it but the throws of Greco-Roman are much more advanced then Judo. Kinda like how BJJ’s submissions are more advanced too. The problem with Judo are the forms. It’s too traditional for my tastes.
your mom is too traditional for my tastes
just kidding
by xquisitewretch on Feb 11, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong. Judo is a sport. It has the same techniques as BJJ minus leg submissions and shoulder manipulation. The most noteable difference between BJJ and judo is the point system in competition. In a judo competition, the simplest way to win is tossing your opponent on his back for the ippon. Judo by far the most advanced throwing techniques. Please define advanced Ping?
Personally I’d opine that greco’s limitations on attacking the legs makes judo throws more advanced, there’s simply more options. If you watch guys that use greco takedowns well (eg Bones) they often convert them so they’re basically judo throws. Also, forms play very little part in judo training and many high level players never bother with them.
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by Mattyjudo on Feb 12, 2012 6:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Guys my judo kids wreck wrestling kids in either sport. For canada games the only "wrestlers"who win for pei are judo kids.
Remember judo guys can sprawl and up until 4 yrs ago could shoot too. When we talk elite competitors u could stereo type and say… wrestlers are a bit stronger, mentally tougher,compete without a gi. where judo tends to be faster with feet, strategic, more mentally focused better posture and used to submissions, longer rounds, less injuries, … both cut weight, wrestlers have more divisions so cutting can be easier. Judo guys tend to be less fit. It usually will come downto the individual anyways… cantheytake a pop in the face without freaking…
by judopei on Feb 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what Miesha said about Rhonda's armbar..
is pretty dumb… and about her being world class? I have never seen her at an international BJJ competition podium, with the likes of Kyra Gracie, Luanna Alzuguir, Michele Nicolini, etc..
She just came off, un-intelligent about bjj. But she is right about wrestling trumping judo. Judo made it so Rhadi couldnt do his double leg. So she is correct about that.
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