Georges St. Pierre ringside at UFC 143, reacting to Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit fight (Video)
by Thomas Myers on Feb 11, 2012 8:02 AM EST
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Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre was sitting cageside at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, on Feb. 4, 2012, when Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit battled for five rounds for the 170-pound interim world title.
And the camera was by his side all night long to get his immediate in-fight reactions.
"Rush" is on the mend from recent knee surgery, meaning the former Strikeforce and World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) champions, respectively, went toe-to-toe in the UFC 143 main event to determine who would lead the division until the Canadian sensation is ready to return to mixed martial arts (MMA) action later this year.
St. Pierre, like many people inside the arena that night in "Sin City," appeared to side with the judges, awarding the controversial decision, reluctantly, to Condit. He made no bones about it that he preferred to fight Diaz because of personal reasons.
"The Natural Born Killer" did indeed go on to get the nod from the judges, which set of a firestorm of backlash from Diaz and his supporters. He abruptly retired, his camp called for a rematch, Condit eventually agreed, UFC President Dana White prematurely announced that it would happen, and then Diaz failed his post-fight drug test because of his marijuana use.
What a long strange trip its been.
There's no word at this time when Georges St. Pierre vs. Carlos Condit will be booked to unify the 170-pound world titles. St. Pierre is expected to return in the fall, which means that Condit could be asked to take another fight -- perhaps against the winner of Jake Ellenberger vs. Diego Sanchez -- before that happens.
Stay tuned.
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I'm liking this new aspect of the UFC.
Anik is doing alright
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
+1
its really working out the way they wanted it—legitimizing this sport to the masses…awesome stuff.
Evans will dethrone Bones.
Sonnen will smother Silva.
Diaz was robbed. (49-46??? I can see 48-47, but 49-46??? Gimme a break!)
Get at me for a sig bet, haven't tried one yet.
That is all.
Sport is still young. Anik is doing well.
But that’s cringeworthy. Almost as bad as Franklin Mcneal on ESPN live talking about how Dos Santos has an excellent ground game since he submitted Cro Cop.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
GSP is a bad mofo.
I hope he destroys Condit.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
whens the last time condits been finished? not happening. im a huge gsp fan but lets be realistic here. he hasnt finished in forever and he'll be coming off an injury. condit may even win he has some great stand up and counter attacks and is great off his
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
by Burlzilla129 on Feb 11, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah i guess.
But GSP is better everywhere.
The only thing Condit has over GSP is greater raw punch power.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
GSP is so badass.
I’m developing a strictly hetero man crush on him.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
ive had a man crush on him since 2007
by xquisitewretch on Feb 11, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
We're not halfway through his career yet, gentlemen.
His haters are in for a long ride. Most of them will quit before the final bell rings.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
He fights 1-2 times per year. At that rate, he’d need to fight until 2024 to double the number of fights he has now.
Fan of: Cole Miller, Amir Sadollah, Alan Belcher, Frank Mir, Matt Brown
Randy Couture became champion at 44 years old and was still active at 48.
That’s almost 20 years for GSP if he lasts that long which he very well could. Where will we be in 2032?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
idk about that
How he comes back from surgery will decide
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Better Everywhere?
The dude has no striking defense, which is why he likes to wrestle. He couldn’t block a punch to save his life. Come to think of it, striking offence isn’t so hot either.
But yes, definitely man crush-worthy. I think it’s the accent.
Still playing the stupid ass character?
Oh wait! You’re not playing.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
I love facts.
Fact #1: You’re an idiot.
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Pointless argument this isn't boxing
He beat penn in that fight and then smashed him again and made him quit in his corner.Be more clever in your attempt to discredit st pierre this is weak.
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Discredit?
Why would I want to? The man has weaknesses. What I find interesting is how his fans find it hard to admit this. Yes, he beat BJ Penn in that fight- which is exactly the point. Penn finished that fight without a scratch, and George finished looking like he’d been hit by a truck.
Why? Because Penn was the better striker. George had no defence for the punches that repeatedly landed on his head. To win, he had to take it to the ground, gaining a split decision via his take downs and top control.
I’m simply being objective about his strengths and weaknesses. Great wrestling, TD, TDD. Mediocre striking offence, weak striking defense. Why is it hard for his fans to be just as objective?
Because you're a mediocre simpleton?
Start by admitting that, then we’ll talk.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
st pierre has over 25 fights and you're being objective by coming on here and posting 1 picture and 1 gif of times when he got hit?
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's called intellectual dishonesty and mot is a master of it
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
agreed
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glad you are back to your old self...;)
Mania is not quite Mania without Dakatak. Come back soon, Dak.
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lol
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
yes and he's using that to support his theory that st pierre had bad striking and striking defense
Silly..
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gsp won the third round convincingly after 1-1 rounds
No stalling in that one. Penn got beat
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Which would be fine if the UFC was just one round
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
Agreed. But still makes your point moot .
Your bringing up BJ’s striking in the third round, to try to prove something, when you know that’s not a good angle because Penn is a one round fighter.
That’s true when you look back at the 1st fight between GSP vs bj. But if you watch the second fight between the two, you’d know that that argument does not apply… simply because bj lost every single round prior to quitting at the end of round 4.
On the other hand bj has beaten everyone other than GSP in the 1st round.
no his offense sux u are right
give me a break haters hate because he is just that damn good with his losses coming to hughes tapping out with a second left and a lucky punch by serra. ya gsp sux
And Hendrick's did in 12 seconds what GSP couldnt do in 25 minutes.
Along with Jake Sheilds… Because GSP is so popular all his fan boys refuse to acknowledge his flaws and just ramble the same shit. I hate GSP but I can at least acknowledge his skills.
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#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
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Cant argue with that stiff point you bring up there...smh
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#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his" Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.I hate Jon Jones..No mas la raza!!! JDS Bitches
Ellenberger will beat GSP by TKO
but GSP easily outstrikes Hendricks for a win based upon the 7" difference in reach and being much quicker to the punch.
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Ellenberger is the true contender now.
He needs to defeat Sanchez, then face off against Condit for the belt while GSP gets a tune up fight against Diaz.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
im with you Yan if jake wins its a no brainer
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Diaz should get a 12 month suspension
which is more than enough for St-Pierre to achieve a complete recovery.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
he probably will get a year
These crackpots at the nasc consider weed a huge performance enhancer apparently
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
No tune-up fights
especially another gift to the quitter.
One of the drawbacks of being the champ.
Mania is not quite Mania without Dakatak. Come back soon, Dak.
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^this
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
No tune ups when you're the champ
and don’t ou dare think of REWARDING Diaz with the opportunity to lose that fight.
You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
12/22/11
"You actually got banned 3 times in 2 minutes by 3 different people"
by *Californication* on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
That would not be a reward believe me.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
I think back to the Condit and the Rocha fight when I think of Ellenberger and I cant convince myself that he has improved enough to handle the wrestling of GSP and the top control of GSP. But he does has the power to hurt GSP.
Ellenberger beats Condit with better conditioning. He almost won with only 2 rounds of cardio. One of the easier traits to improve upon is cardio.
Rocha’s BJJ is a million times better than GSP’s and Jake didn’t get subbed. Then he easily won the last two rounds after taking Rocha’s best scrambles.
To me, Ellenberger is the guy with the tools to beat GSP. Heavy hitter, great TDD, good positional wresler. That doesn’t mean he beats GSP, but of the skill sets of the guys at 170, Ellenberger has the tools. Fighting GSP after a long lay-off, presuming he fights Condit and wins before GSP is healthy, is the perfect opportunity to beat GSP.
Mania is not quite Mania without Dakatak. Come back soon, Dak.
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+ add any big numbers you want!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I can see all of what you are saying. Like I said I guess seeing him lose a close one to Carlos and being swept by Rocha just sticks in my mind. Those fights were very close and GSP unlike Rocha and Carlos can take Ellenberger down. And if he does I think that is where the fight switches dominance.
Rocha is a better BJJ player in pure BJJ but not in MMA. GSP’s control and position is completely dominant in MMA and if GSP gets the fight to the mat I dont think Ellenberger has the BJJ to get up or threaten the champ.
Rocha is bigger than Ellenberger, and seems to be on another level of BJJ than damn near everyone in WW except elite guys.
Rocha’s size plus BJJ make him a threat to anyone at WW, that is not a knock on Ellenberger, if anything, it’s a plus that he didn’t get destroyed.
If Rocha isn’t submitting Jake, I don’t think anyone else will.
To go on further, Jake Ellenberger is a muscular high octane fighter. What does this mean? Large muscles, doing explosive movement, sap cardio like none other.
This is why some of the most explosive athletes don’t have cardio. They are just too damn explosive for their own good.
Melvin Guillard , Rumble Johnson, Hendo , Vitor , Rampage , Penn , Fedor , and a slew of others grace this high explosive list.
Some have figured out how to expend their energy well.
For example, Fedor, is as explosive as they come, but if you will notice, guys like him, and Rampage, and Penn, when in control, generally are not doing anything majority of their fight.
They keep a super slow pace, explode, rest. Rinse and repeat.
I agree to an extent
but if Marv Marinovich can train BJ Penn into having cardio for more than 2 rounds, anyone can train to do this as well.
I like your point on expenditure. I have never thought of it that way. Ellenberger did exactly that in teh Shields fight.
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BJ never had good cardio, even with Marv. He had better cardio for sure, but that’s only because BJ actually trained to a normal extent now and previously he was slacking.
Marinovich BJ only seemed to have so much cardio because he was in complete control of the fight.
Is that splitting hairs?
or are you knocking his opponents?
lol, either way, the BJ that fought Joe Daddy, Florian and Diego was most definitely not the same one who fought Edgar.
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Agreed. BJ got himself up to par cardio wise with majority of the MMA world, doesn’t mean he actually was a cardio guy. BJ could never dream of being a Guida etc.
And notice how he had to be soothed and babied even in those Marinovich wins.
100%
BJ likes to be told he is great and Marv capitalized on that during his fights. Then he walked through 3, what I consider, really tough opponents and went back to being the BJ who relied on naturla talent alone.
It was obviously not enough.
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im with Ulf
BJ was way fitter when he was marv!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Oh of course he was. No one is disagreeing with that. BJ went from being a one round fighter to a 2 or 3 round fighter with Marv. That’s amazing.
oh come on,u gonna push to 5? lol
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Lol Penn is and will never be a 5 round fighter. At his best, he could fight 2 or 3 rounds in competitive fighting.
When you are whooping someone’s ass, it doesn’t mean you have cardio.
he can fight 5 at his natural weight class
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i dont know
ok diego was hurt early but he looked ok against florian and sherk
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
of course it is. to throw punches and move around, cutting angles, moving your head… all that is cardio sapping. Have you ever done 25 minutes with one minutes rests between rounds just fighting? Because it is exhausting.
Of course, it is for the average person who doesn’t do shit.
For an MMA fighter, you can’t get an easier paced style of fighting than what BJ did against Sherk , Florian, Diego .
That’s the Rampage style. Nice and easy.
For example, Condit and Diaz just fought a similar style to that. And look at them, they barely got warmed up. Condit and Diaz could probably no joke go at least 15 rounds maybe 20 rounds at that type of pace.
Meanwhile, a Diaz / Daley pace would gas everyone except the elite cardio guys in only a couple of rounds.
I dont think that is nice and easy at all. Rampage fights flat footed, Penn does not. Penn actually moves very well. And what Penn did to those guys even for MMA fighters is not easy, at all.
Punching, striking, defending, moving, all that is not easy to do for 5 rounds.
It’s as easy as a style you can fight in MMA unfortunately. Which goes to show you how tough MMA can actually be.
There’s a reason why you generally never see boxers gas, and it’s not because they are in much better shape than MMA guys.
Boxers do gas. And they dont gas because of the large gloves they can set a slow pace with less power strikes in the early rounds of a 12 round fight. Then they cant put power in the middle rounds and as they tire and slow they can still pump that jab out in the last couple rounds.
Which 155 lb elite boxer has gassed? And this whole thing is all about pace, which is my point.
Energy Expenditure, is far more important than cardio, at least when you have an ample cardio base. An average MMA fighter’s cardio base.
As a boxer it is easy to hide it. They dont show signs of gassing they just slow and are more careful with flurries and big power shots
Well I guess you couldn’t call it easy. But there are much harder styled fights.
A Guida vs Bendo or Diego fight makes a Penn vs Sherk fight lol worthy.
How don’t you see this?
Have you never grappled? 100% scrambling , constant grappling exchanges, takedowns, scramble to counter takedown, exploding up, while fight finishing punches are being thrown left and right, are a completely different style of fighting.
Could be that you have a better concept of rolling then boxing.
And BJJ is easier cardio wise than boxing, and boxing is easier than wrestling.
They are all completely different worlds.
Which is why I specifically said grappling, and not just BJJ.
MMA grappling, is on a whole nother level than just BJJ.
BJJ is perhaps the easiest cardio combat sports out there.
There is so much time to stall, set up, take a break, etc etc.
Also, wrestling is much harder to go down from 100%.
BJJ and boxing it’;s easier to learn how to not go full force.
But wrestling, the way it’s designed, almost forces you to go all out.
Comfort level as well. If you are more afriad of getting hit, than getting subbed, it’s going to effect you.
People who are not natural strikers, are going to have a lot more adrenaline running through their system, they tend to be more tense, when they get hit, the fight or flight plays into the issue.
There are tons of little things all over these issues.
Also, are you boxing, or trying to kill someone. Those are different styles as well.
Going for the KO all the time, saps you, while boxing doesn’t as much, which is why Jake Ellenberger will never have great cardio.
i agree its a mental thing and comfort level comes into it in a massive way
i have never grappled,wrestling or jj but ive boxed and played and trained rugby union and theres no comparison rugby kills u cardio wise a milliontimes more.Tackling,being tackled,getting off ur feet in a split second to sprint again.but fliiping the script when im playing rugby theres so much flying around my brain that im on edge all the time when boxing its just the hands ive got to worry about,a single dimension so i know when to hold,when to lean etc so i can control my breathing and adrenaline more so i guess thats where the comfort zone comes into place.Do i make sense?
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I agree, it’s generally a comfort issue.
But pure grappling. IE wrestling, is head and shoulders above every other combat sport in terms of cardio.
There’s a reason why you generally never see wrestlers on bad terms with cardio.
It’s just an all or nothing style of combat, that only an elite set of cardio can hope to struggle in.
yes it was the same penn
He just fought a better fighter
"I'm recognized for being a great fighter but more importantly a great father"-letter19
by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh piss off idiot19
it was alright till you rocked up!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Shake your head...
I don’t give a fuuuuuuck….
People want GSP to lose so badly, but it’s not gonna happen…GSP is superior in every facet to Ellenberger…He
to be fair to Gsp he laid a brutal smackdown on Fitch
It was like 50-43 for fuck sakes
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not to mention he absolutely destroyed hughes(twice)and serra in rematches..Nothing like dominating every opponent you every faced and advenging both your losses..special man
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
especially the first hughes fight
He dominated the entire round he made a simple mistake and hughes made him pay.That fight opened a lot of eyes to the GSP.
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lucky punch excuse is lame. Im mos def sure Matt threw that punch with very bad intentions.
I like bacon...Steelers fo life!!!!
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his" Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.I hate Jon Jones..No mas la raza!!! JDS Bitches
nice chopping kick to Serra's groin.
I like bacon...Steelers fo life!!!!
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his" Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.I hate Jon Jones..No mas la raza!!! JDS Bitches
I have been rummaging the internet for years in search of the perfect cretin.
I’ve hit pay dirt with featherbrain Mot.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
he's definitely a gold mine
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I actually think he has above average striking defense. He did very well to avoid basically everything Alves, Koscheck, Shields had for him
yeah but that had a lot to do with his wrestling too
i.e. Kos has one punch in his arsenal,Shields has none and Alves was too scared of the TD.not trying to discredit GSP he is the best but i certainly dont assiciate striking defence with him
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
When you think of MMA as a combo of all the arts, then GSP uses his wrestling to better his striking defense. Since this isnt boxing or kickboxing head movement and footwork isnt solely what makes up striking defense. Maybe that is a stretch for most people but it is how I feel about it.
I agree. GSP is perhaps the hardest to defeat in all of MMA for that simple reason alone.
His wrestling is so dynamic, you simply can’t get your striking offense.
Think of Silva vs Sonnen 1, and how Sonnen was able to outstrike Silva on a large percentage of clashes, when we obviously know Silva is the greatly superior striker.
excellent example!
its just awkward for me coming from a boxing background to guage this.Its the fear of his skills more than his skills though if you get what i mean.Take away the tds and its a different story,he hasnt got the head movement and feet which you usually associate with striking defence
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Of course not since he isnt a boxer. But think of this, everytime you throw a strike you pick your hands up to defend the counter right?
Well, then imagine that since your hands are so high defending the counter your body is going to be slightly more upright and if GSP decides not to counter strike and instead counter takedown wont that make you a little less committed to throw with power or even throw a combo?
yh of course
his transitions between striking and tds is the best in mma no doubt but as a purist i still cant call this striking defence although it is turning defence into offence so its more countering ability.defence to me is more blocking or slipping strikes but we r splitting hairs here.;)
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
And this is where I agree Scott. Although GSP’s threat of takedown does act like striking defense, it cannot be actually called striking defense.
Why? Because when we get a guy who can be competitive with GSP wrestling, and is not shaking in his boots at the threat of takedown, then that " striking defense " will be shown for what it truly is.
It’s just the threat of takedown, acting like striking defense, yet it is not like true striking defense.
after reading this great back and forth between the three of you
I am wondering if we, as fans, are being obtuse when putting striking offense/defense and wrestling offense/defense and BJJ offense/defense into little boxes that are stand alone by themselves since at no point do the best MMA’ists only utilize these individual traits?
Since I agree with most of what both are saying…GSP has not very good striking defense in terms of footwork and head movement, but he dose use his offensive wrestling as his striking defense, so his deficiency in one is offset by his extraordinary ability in the other.
Is it fair to judge individual traits in MMA when that is notthe whi-ole story?
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Yes, exactly. Yet, head movement, and feet play different roles in kickboxing let alone MMA. It’s all very complicated stuff that seems to be the work of a miracle worker when it all comes over effectively. MMA just has so many ins and outs.
i think thats why(and i just swallowed a bit of bile)
we can call GSP the best mmartist in the world.Although there are a lot of guys that are better than him in a single discipline he just puts it the whole lot together better than anyone else.Just hope VM doesnt read this shit! lol!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
would have been pretty fun to watch...
if GSP had any charisma at all…
i dont understand
what could the guy have done differently for you to have enjoyed watching a man watch a fight?
hahaha
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he is also french speaking so in an environment where its mainly english he is not entirely comfortable
get him in a club in montreal and you will see lots of charisma
sounds awesome
I can’t see the fucka though! Dam video player!!
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by Rilly on Feb 11, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
played fine on my iphone
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
3 round st pierre let it fly and really went for the kill.5 round st pierre has been more methodical and strategic.Results have been the same victory after victory…
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah diaz actually could have made gsp come out that shell
Would of made for good hype but diaz couldn’t hold up his end of the bargain
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If only he held up his end...
I like Carlos and all…but his performance did not inspire me to believe his fight with GSP will be exciting, in a fight that big I expected him to come out and fight to win instead of playing the game to win…I think GSP beats both Carlos and Nick by however he wants, but Nick had the better chance at dethroning him IMO
comical
People really want to force diaz to be a top WW fighter he is 5-5 in the ufc there is no reason at all to believe he can beat GSP besides hype.What performances do you base your belief that diaz is a threat to GSP..name some
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats easy to say
But he has to beat at least 1 top WW before anyone can argue he can beat the best 1
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree. I am not saying DIaz is the best anyone, I’m just saying he’s a legit threat to GSP. Although, if GSP just went out and 50-45 Diaz with top control, it wouldn’t surprise me.
he's an exciting fighter but..
Until he beats 1 top WW I have no desire to see him fight GSP
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he beat condit wheres he on the top 10 list?
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Rankings are bullshit honestly. There is no way to correctly quantify how good someone is.
It’s easiest to just assume the champ is number 1, and who are relevant contenders.
I said nothing about rankings
I know who the championship caliber fighters are and scott smith,noons,cyborg,daley are not qualified.He had a chance to fight a top WW in condit and lost a unanimous decision.
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by letter19 on Feb 11, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a very close fight, I wouldn’t use that as a knock on Diaz. And Daley is a very dangerous fighter.
not a knock on diaz but he lost, daley is not,never was and never will be an elite fighter
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Sure he’s not an elite MMA fighter. But he’s an elite striker definitely.
Anyone who can outbrawl Daley is a major concern for anyone at WW.
Also, Daley is an absolute nightmare match up for our WW Interim Champ.
I think Daley probably beats Condit.
totally disagree
daley is not an elite striker he has powerful hands (its a difference) rarely throws kicks and never comes in with a gameplan I won’t even entertain the thought of him beating condit he can’t even make weight for a fight
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Diaz won the fight but not the drug war
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I just read na article that said Nick had the ability to apply for an exemption for his pot use in Nevada
since he has a dicumented case of anxiety for which he is prescribed MJ, he could have asked NSAC to waive his results for MJ metabolites.
What say you? (and I don’t want to argue, i just want to hear your take)
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I think it won't fly
But there’s always a hope. I’m betting he gets a year
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
by unambig on Feb 11, 2012 2:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He can't use it for this fight
Like TrT, it must be approved before the fight.
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This will the toughest fight of my career!(gsp voice)
by Captain Koolaid on Feb 11, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lol
You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
12/22/11
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by *Californication* on Feb 11, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
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St Pierre will do everything he can not to be Serra'd again..
He was hit fairly solid by Shields but he doesn’t really have power…
Here’s to hoping Condit finds and exposes openings in the stand-up…
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Nobody wants either dude for a champion after their last fight
Even tho I initially acted like a small child, I have been forced to come to my senses. enzo-enormous is better at calling fights than I am, by far. I am a little immature but am working on it. Also, I love dudes and cant wait to get a reach around from the 209
Are you sure about that?
I’d like Condit as champ, and have his first title defense against Ellenberger…
I wouldn’t just assume that nobody wants Condit as the champ bra… Great dude, and finishes in a # of fights against some tough motherfuckers…
Diaz is just a tenacious test for just about everybody these days…
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Jesus i wake up to this..
how am i supposed to comment lol
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Can't wait for GSP
to give a tune up to Carlito’s face like he did fitch and koschek.
Minowaman forever
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