Mike Tyson: Fedor Emelianenko stayed around MMA too long in the age of drugs and bigger athletes
by Chorongota on Feb 1, 2012 7:30 PM EST
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After losing three consecutive fights to Fabricio Werdum, Antonio Silva and Dan Henderson, Fedor Emelianenko seemed to have taken a fall from grace after a decade-long rung of being undefeated and consistently being at the top of the pound-for-pound list.
After he suffered his three consecutive losses, which all came under the Strikeforce banner, nearly everyone -- fans and media alike -- from within the mixed martial arts (MMA) community dropped their two cents on the credibility of the Russian's resume and overall status as a legit contender in the heavyweight division.
While Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) President Dana White, who has never been sold on the legitimacy of Fedor's wins and mythical aura, for that matter, isn't too high on "The Last Emperor," there is one man who has nothing but high praise for Fedor.
That man is none other than the boxing legend "Iron" Mike Tyson, one of the most feared strikers in combat sports history, who says Emelianenko is his favorite MMA fighter of all time.
Speaking to "Inside MMA," Tyson talks about the admiration he has for Fedor and what he feels went wrong in his career.
Check it out:
"Fedor Emelianenko, my favorite of all time...He's always been the underdog, he's always the smallest guy and he always comes out victorious. He just stayed around too long in the age of high performance [-enhancing] drugs, bigger athletes. I've just never seen an athlete like him, as far as a fighting athlete, that beat the odds so many times. From a guy that just loves him from a human perspective, I don't want to see him get hurt anymore, you know? He didn't get hurt, but those guys could have hurt him, the big guy that was hitting him, "Bigfoot" (Antonio Silva). I don't like to see that. A guy that's been in there so long, and he's not the same as he used to be and you see him getting beat up, oh man that's a bad feeling."
At one point during Emelianenko's illustrious career, he rattled off 27 consecutive victories, before running into Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) black belt Fabricio Werdum at Strikeforce: "Fedor vs. Werdum" in 2009.
The submission wizard caught Fedor in a triangle choke early in the first round, which forced the tap a minute and nine seconds into the opening frame after being floored early by the Russian.
The defeat marked the first true loss on Fedor's record.Emelianenko returned to his winning ways when he defeated multiple time Abu Dhabi Combat Club (ADCC) tournament winner Jeff Monson, in his home country of Russia on Nov. 20, 2011, via unanimous decision.
Fedor followed up the impressive performance just one month later on New Year's Eve by defeating Olympic Judo Gold medalist winner Satoshi Ishii via first round knockout at Fight For Japan: Genki Desu Ka 2011.
Despite his impressive MMA record of 33-4 (1 NC), and recent resurgence, some will still feel the need to place an asterisk his accomplishments because of the fact that he never competed inside the UFC's Octagon.
Maybe, just maybe, he, along with the M-1 head honcho's can find common ground with UFC officials to bring him into the mix before he hangs up his gloves for good.
Or, before he takes on Tyson in a Japan-based New Year's Eve weekend freakshow fight.
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was right on the money as to why I am such a Fedor fan.
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by crizzy on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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Fans: Mike Tyson stayed around MMA too long.
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No but really, your a dumbass
by PotOfGold on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am?
Let me fix it for you too. your = YOU’RE. When you call someone a dumbass make sure you can spell you ignorant fuck.
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Sorry Jason , spelling or no spelling you are a faggot
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't been destroyed and embarrassed on this site like you have!
My lil bitch. lol Watch everyone as randallhumpfreeze runs out of the room now that I’m here. Come back as one of your alt accounts so I can bury them too.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Let me fix it for you....
Your not You’re isn’t a spelling, but instead a usage issue…. When you call someone ignorant…. don’t be ignorant
by PorkchopSandwich on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nice try
But in english when you put the wrong letters down while trying to spell, its called mispelling. Unless you think he meant it belonged to me???
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by JasonFahQ on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Porkchops is right
the word was spelled correctly, however he used the wrong one. Same goes for their, theyre, there
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by *Californication* on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Good man
“unless you think he meant it belonged to me” which means he used a properly spelled word…just the wrong one. I read these threads all the time. I love that when someone gets shut down like a bank on a Sunday; they turn to grammar attacks… It’s cute, cute like the hairs around your moms 2 hole
by PorkchopSandwich on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"I swear to God, David. I'm going to fucking shoot you. I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to shoot David Haye. Listen, I'm going to physically shoot David Haye. He fucking glassed me. He glassed me. He glassed me. I'm not having it.
If David don't fight me, Adam, I'm telling you God honest truth. I'm going to physically, yeah, burn him. So you tell him I say that. His entourage ain't got nothing on my entourage."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Mar 19, 2012 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Too many people forget how good Fedor was
He has a place in history, but it’s likely his time has passed. And to those you say he’s a can, consider that he fought the best in the world at the time. Today, even if he was 28 years old again, he might not have the same level of success.
Sometimes you forget Tyson isn’t an idiot, just completely insane in his personal life.
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
there is no doubt in my mind
that he was the best HW of his era, which was roughly until 2007 ….. ??
you should totally twitter that on your facebook
the sport passed him by
only way to describe it. People who dislike/hate on Fedor will always do so. It’s just how it is.
The only way he’ll get the respect of many is if he somehow enters the UFC now, and fights the best heavyweight division in the world today. Will it ever happen? NOT FUCKING LIKELY.
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
He will have big problems with the elites of the UFC HW Division now
But agree with you that Fedor has a place in the MMA Hall of Fame
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Perhaps he would have trouble with the elites of the UFC, but we will never know and it sucks. He is easily good enough to be in the UFC though. Probably couldn’t contend for anything but he is still a fun fighter to watch.
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that he would pull it out
it was a close fight and I’m done with supporting or expecting Maia to do anything ever again. Unless he drops to welterweight
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
I heard Maia had the flue
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I thought he was retired?
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Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
In a pre-fight interview with Karyn Bryant he was blowing his nose quite a bit
You go out there and start acting like a terrorist, you're gonna get Osama Bin Laden'd
That snotty bitch got what she deserved
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Fedor was just insane at the time. If you take a prime Nog and Cro Cop and put them in the UFC when Fedor fought them they would have beaten all theUFC heavies…to go undefeated for that long, with his unorthodox style of throwing punches is just mind boggling! And lets not forget all the come from behind wins, Randleman, Fugita(spelling), AA and Rogers…
He beats cans mixed in with boring wins over Nog and Cro Cop
Not a legend
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Some GOAT
Legit wins:
Sobral, Nog, Cro Cop
Cans:
Kerry Schall (5-2)
Ryūshi Yanagisawa (24-21-9)
Lee Hasdell (12-14-3)
Chris Haseman (18-12)
Egidijus Valavičius (4-3)
Kazuyuki Fujita (9-4)
Gary Goodridge (17-14-1)
Yuji Nagata (0-2)
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (24-16-2)
Choi Hong-man
Satoshi Ishii
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
by unambig on Feb 1, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You=dumb tit.
Legendary fights with Minotauro Nogueira (perhaps the 2nd best HW ever, beat him when he was not only number 1 in HW but also p4p), Mirko CroCop (16-2 and #2 ranked HW) , Semmy Schilt (K-1 immortal), Arona (ADCC undefeated champion in both MMA and BJJ competitions) Mark Hunt (K-1 star, was ranked top 10 after victories over Mirko and Wandy) and a list of UFC champions (Coleman x2, Randleman, Sylvia, Arlovski) solidifies as not only the best HW ever but also the best fighter this sport has ever seen.
Show no mercy; for you shall receive none
The Nog and Cro Cop wins were legit
Although it’s only two fighters he happened to match up well against.
Schilt was a good fighter during his time but more a kickboxer. He was never more than a mid-tier heavyweight MMA fighter.
Arona beat Fedor, they scored the fight wrong. And anyway, RINGS sucked balls.
Mark Hunt has never been a good fighter. He was 5-7 until recently.
Mark Coleman and Randleman both old and uni-dimensional washed up fighters.
Sylvia and Arlovski post-UFC and now basically total cans.
You missed Jeff Monson.
Face it, Fedor’s record of legit fighters is more like 4-4.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Chorongota sold his car for the gas money.
Fedor’s not the GOAT anymore. This isn’t 09. Silva already passed him up. Plus Chron, aren’t you supposed to post long after the topic is off the first page hoping no1 sees your stupid reply? Fucking bitch.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Damn Choro
you were making sense until this:
but also the best fighter this sport has ever seen.
you were so close ! so close…
you should totally twitter that on your facebook
If you say this queer is
i will personally find you and cut you open boi.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I course you're with Chron... for one of 2 reasons
he’s either your alt account or the 2 of you are stiffin each other. Either way I buried both of you at the same time again and again. :)
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
you are pound for pound the weirdest maniac of them all
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really, am I weird now you geek?
Only on the internet could man such as yourself who’s 35 and never even touched a woman could ever try to claim others are weird. Is this guy another alt account of yours as well? lol You could make it 10 to 1 randall and I’d still whoop you like I have every time. You can’t even deny it anymore which is funny.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
You are out of your fucking mind
If you think fedor was the greatest fighter ever
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by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
For Chron thinking Fedor’s the GOAT. lol No1 does anymore. This isn’t 2009. The only one dumb enough to agree is the other guy who hides from me and is Chron’s alt account which is randall.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol at you
At least he didn’t lose to cans like Anderson Silva.. haha
Everyone has cans on their record bud.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
AA was considered top 5 at the time...
with wins over Big Ben and Big Country, 2 fighters who still healine UFC cards…
He beat the ever-loving fuck outta nog!
3 times!! How were those fights not exciting? When nog couldnt be finished or even hurt for that matter! Uhhm yeah, fedor is legend ya fukin trolls…
by dragonassault on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He beat him twice
The second fight was a no contest
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Yeah it was a no contest
However nog still got drove in the second fight so whats your point?
by dragonassault on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The arlovski and Sylvia fights
Cemented his legacy in my mind, he was the best at the time. That was for a long time. I liked those fights.
he was never the underdog
except maybe his first ten or so fights. From that point on he’s been the favourite.
other than that, good insight from iron mike
pride never die.
no one was using......
they never had a positive test.. come on man, you’re crazy.
you should totally twitter that on your facebook
Hard to fail when you don't get tested...
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I wish fedor would do some roids
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions
Does anyone know what Fedor's next move is?
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by ItalianStallion54 on Feb 1, 2012 7:31 PM EST reply actions
He didn't stay around too long
He stayed in the wrong division. He has the power and speed to hang with the LHW’s. But is too small for todays big Heavies
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by jakescissorhands on Feb 1, 2012 8:03 PM EST reply actions
He's not too small
Today’s top HWs aren’t power houses…those days lasted for as long as Brock was champ…JDS has never weighed more than 240 to my knowledge…Fedor isn’t undersized, he’s just not in good enough shape…and his strategies going into fights suck…
Get him to Blackhouse!
by Starr788 on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fedors best asset at heavyweight was his speed....
that speed asset would be non existent at LHW..
And too fat/lazy to cut weight like 99% of the world
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
He's right on the money
bloody queef bubble
by wooly shambler on Feb 1, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I really hope Fedor makes some adjustments in his training, maybe make a few trips overseas to train with top guys
GSP seems to be that guy that the fighters with big bank go to train with
Fedor in UFC, 4th quarter 2012!
by Starr788 on Feb 1, 2012 8:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fedor's last losses brought me no joy whatsoever.
I don’t like to see that. A guy that’s been in there so long, and he’s not the same as he used to be and you see him getting beat up, oh man that’s a bad feeling."
Tyson is right. It was pretty sad every time. He was not in shape and it tarnished his legacy. He showed up poorly trained, and poorly motivated. Sad.
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He was also poorly managed and poorly advised.
Forgot to mention it.
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Fedor is past his prime at this point. But saying that he isn’t one of the best of all time is simply not true. He fought and beat everyone he faced, including Big Nog twice when Big Nog was the best heavyweight in the world. The guy is a real fighter – he’s not a great athlete or a big guy but he comes to fight and to finish fights. I think Fedor can still compete with the elite of the division, provided he trains with a top camp and comes in with a gameplan. And he definitely needs to get rid of M1, which he won’t because he’s a loyal individual who won’t sacrifice his word for personal gains.
He did not fucking "fight everyone"
He beat a number of fighters in Pride, mainly cans and Japanese judo guys trying MMA. Then he ducked the UFC and became irrelevant. He hasn’t been relevant in over 6 years now.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Uhhm, only one way to settle this..
Get his ass in the octagon where the top o the heap compete before its really too late! End of debate…
by dragonassault on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah
Even if he gets mauled, and he would, fanboys would say he’s just old now and would have pwned back in the third century A.D.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
So who is YOUR greatest MMA HW of all time then? This should be interesting.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
It would have to be Randy Couture
Fedor is probably second place but only because the current crop of heavyweights have a ways to go. Junior dos Santos and Velsquez have a good chance of finishing ahead of both of them.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Randy is a UFC hyped product. You want to discredit Fedor based on his record but then tout Randy as the best ever? Not consistent.
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by OJR on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Randy fought the best available fighters at the time and was two-time champion
Fedor fought the best available in Pride for a few years. Who’s better than Randy?
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Ummm, please look at the two rosters at the time and you answer your own question
That answer is a resounding FEDOR!
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I find this hilarious. You are out there man. Couture lost a LOT of fights. The UFC kept giving him title shots though. He was on of their only draws at that time. He got a title shot off two consecutive losses, rofl.
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You still have to give Randy his due
He got some breaks for sure but he beat Chuck, Tito, Belfort, and Timmay in their primes. He’s definitely up there.
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by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Mar 19, 2012 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor’s losses brought me a shitload of joy. Overated fighter with a heavily padded record gets called one of the greatest of all time? It’s a slap in the face to the real top p4p guys
mmm
the ufcs heavyweight division is a mess
by diablo562 on Feb 1, 2012 8:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions
It’s a slap in the face to the real top p4p guys?
And who are these fighters?? please enlighten me,,,,
it's an exercise in futility
Why even bother ?
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor will forever be one of the greatest ever
His reign of dominance was incredible, and he was the most feared man in the world for years. Sadly, this is a young man’s game and Fedor took abuse in almost all of his fights
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fedor has the same problem Tyson has when it comes to critics
people either over estimate or under estimate his legacy but the truth lies in the middle, I think at some point he was the best heavyweight around but I don’t think he is the greatest ever,He has some really good wins on his record but Arlovsky and Sylvia were no longer the best heavyweights when he beat them, he did beat cro cop and nog in their primes but then when he stepped up in competition he got beat by werdum, big foot and Hendo none of those guys would ever be champions in the UFC’s HW division….some people are too quick to call him a can crusher while some people are too quick to clal him the greatest ever, I do like him I just wish he had fought in the UFC I feel we all missed out on that
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Fedor was the premiere fighter for the premiere organization in the world
And just like Pride FC, he never evolved with the sport.
There isn’t a HW MMA’ist that has the credentials of Fedor. Nog is the closest and he lost to Fedor 3 times. However, you can compare the career achievements of Anderson Silva and GSP to Fedor’s career and make an argument that they lay claim to the best fighter ever (I am not making an argument, just bringing up names).
It won’t matter for any of them in 2 years as Bones already has the greatest year by an MMA’ist ever, and after he effectively cleans out the 205 division by destroying Shad and Hendo, he will move up and hold both the 205 belt and 265 belt without losing a fight, even if he has one “loss” on his record similar to Fedor’s first “loss” in RINGS.
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Bones is overrated.
He beat a guy who hadn’t fought in over a year with Shogun.
Rampage Jackson cares more about acting than fighting these days.
Lyoto Machida hasn’t been right since Shogun decapitated him. Lyoto beat up on a 73 yrd old Randy Couture, weak.
Ryan Bader even made Tito Ortiz look good.
Bottom line is Jones loses his belt this year and then goes up to HW where he’ll get tossed around for a few more years.
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That's fucking weak
Jones is an animal and might be the most dominant champion of all time
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Thanks for your thorough insight....
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Who will beat him at 205?
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Hendo would bitch slap him and have him sleeping.
Not to mention tossing him around like a rag doll.
I still think a HEALTHY and non-ring rusted Shogun could destroy him as well. Do I need to remind you that a unhealthy, and ring rusted Shogun made Forrest look good too? We saw how that rematch worked out.
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your argument is specious, you are just being a sophist.
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by rooseveltdunn on Feb 2, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where's your facts OR your logic??
If you address me then you must bring something to retort my statements. Bones is overrated and is all hype. Need I clarify more?
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Keep on running with that theory homie
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Uhhhh
I highly doubt Werdum was on steriods.
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I just love people who know nothing about mma yet take the time to post on here. If you spent time and actually watched fights and not just wikipedi’ing fighters records then giving your “expert” opinion, you might actually sound convincing.
As far as fedor is concerned at the end of the day he is one of the greats. His reign will always be scrutinized and hated on but the fact is he was undefeated for a very long time. I mean regardless of the competition, if you tried to do anything 20-27 times without error/loss your good.
by Stockton Hello on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hello.
Good post…. Everybody loses in mma eventually…. EVERYBODY.
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you talking to me? I was actually defending fedor lol
but level of competition does matte, don’t get me wrong fedor was great but I wouldn’t say the greatest…for example Papp retired undefeated in Boxing while Sugar ray Robinson lost a bunch of fights…but today the greatest p4p boxer is Robinson not Papp simply due to level of compeition
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by rooseveltdunn on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah i never said great and i wasnt talking to you in paticular. Of course level of competition matters, but as i said, to have the run he had putting aside the million possible factors such as time frame, level of competition, etc. his run was great. He will never fight in the ufc and i doubt he will fight another worthy opponent before he hangs them up. Which in itself is a sad thought. Mma is so large a sport now and with the likes of the ufc, bellator, strikeforce etc. i doubt we will see someone break 25 straight wins of credible fighters. Unless jones keeps ripping through people and silva moves up.
by Stockton Hello on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fedor haters are retards!
Ok if he was ducking and Dodgsing the best heavyweights in the world can somebody please inform me who would of stopped him going on a absolute tear through the mid 2000s!
Who in the world would of beaten him?
Who did he duck? Nobody!
CC and Nog were the best ranked guys at the time he stepped up and got the W so please tell me when and who did he duck somebody
Otherwise fuck off with the hate!
People who hate on Fedor obviously became fans after pride was absorbed by the UFC and are probably WWE fan boys still hurting over brocks dismal UFC demise
by ejt85 on Feb 1, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Randy Couture?
Josh Barnett or Ricco Rodriguez? Pedro Rizzo.
But yeah, back in 2004 he was one of the best. A million fucking years ago.
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Randy Couture is a Hall of Famer but I just don’t see him beating a prime Fedor, barnett is always dangerous with his size but rizzo and Rodriguez no no no no no!
by ejt85 on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Were you watching Japanese MMA in 2004?
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Definitely no
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Then how are you such an expert on the subject?
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i was
I watched more pride than UFC one that stands out for me was Wandy vs Hunt
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
You're thinking of middleweight
Heavyweight was just as shit as it’s always been
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Fedor nut huggers make Fedor haters look like Einstein!
“he always fought the best” “he has nothing to prove” “beating ex UFC champs is as good as beating a current UFC champ”.
There was a time where he was without a doubt the best HW in the world but that’s where it stops. People calling him the GOAT still like it’s 09 and pretending like him ducking Overeem and the UFC for M1’s bullshit to go fight Brett Rogers who he barely slid past shows how stupid Fedor nut huggers are. I am a Fedor fan but I was never one of the stupid ones who thought he was unstoppable probably cause I know fighting unlike most dumbass casual fans who can’t figure out styles.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
First off no one is (was) or will ever be 'unstoppable.'
2nd, the name ‘hank’ sounds almost as dumb as the comments you post. Are you jerkin it at the same time that youre typing keyboard genius??
by dragonassault on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there is so many people that hate him ! He thinks we all got fake accounts !
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nah just you but the only people who do hate o me are ones I out argued.
Most people I see tend to hate you randall for the stupid shit you say and the fact that you can’t back anything up which is why you only get brave when others are trying to go against me as well. lol
As for you dragon. The name Hank Mardukas is from a movie so nice try dumbass. Unlike you I can back up my claims. What did I say that was dumb? You said that no1 said Fedor was “unstoppable”. Bullshit, a ton used to say that about him every fucking day. You’re dumb as fuck for believing that and I just proved that you’re stupid. Something you have yet to do with me and now I have another hater who I’ll dogg on whenever he tries me just like randall. lol
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#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
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by ShivanTiger on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Secret film of Fedor training for his next fight!
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by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
+34-4-1
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#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
iv seen one of those machinces before shivan .. its called a fedor 2000
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Fedor vs. Werdum
was in June of 2010 and not 2009.
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Why are there still fedor topics
The guy is afraid to fight in the ufc and couldn’t even cut it in strikeforce. He is done and isn’t even close to the best ever. His greatest wins are over big nog and cro cop, look what frank the legend Mir did to nog twice and cro cop. Finished both and in the case of nog he embarrassed him both fights in ways pride nuthuggers thought there was no possibility of doing that.
HAHA!! Holy shit, this thread made me laugh so much, the pics and gifs were off the hook
You motherfuckers are hilarious, for real
it's just the one guy Hank , far and away the creepiest sack of cocks I've ever seen
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
this thread needs to be deleted what a fucking disgrace
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 PM EST reply actions
I'd want it to be deleted too if I was you.
You never look good against me… even with help too which is sad. I hope they keep it up just to remind everyone.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
wtf are talking about ? you're so fuckin burnt lolololollolol
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Since when?
You can’t even win 2 on 1! He’s even losing and he’s doing better than you. You’ve tried to lie about this before and no1 has believed you yet. Others have even talked about how I’ve dogged you and how you avoid me. It’s well known by now on this site. Who are you kidding?
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I flagged the naked humping dudes
And then the post in its entirety.
You see how much pull I it around here ;)
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fixed
You see how muchpull II pull it around here ;)
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by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Mar 19, 2012 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
fucking trainwreck
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by *Californication* on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
It's an improvement, considering it's Choro's Fedor fellatio thread
Roller was robbed. He was held up at knifepoint by Herb Dean, stripped naked, and sodomized with a stainless steel dildo.
Couple of dudes probably need to get laid for the 1st time here…
by ejt85 on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
just one I think
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which one?
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Reply failed?
Yeah, I’ve read all of his posts. What was so important that I missed?
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#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
lol
That pretty much sums it up !
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
i'm proud of you
no fat chicks
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why, every post is the same thing
your not funny……blah blah blah, I won….blah blah blah, like there’s some sort of fucking trophy waiting for him. At least Randall post some funny stuff
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I don't understand it
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
You don't understand alot of things and ShivanTiger...
name one thing he said that’s funny. You’re thinking of the other turd and you must be new here cause you’re the only person who doesn’t get why I always embarrass humpfreeze’s bitch ass (who isn’t bias cause I dogged them as well) and why he has to wait and come back later cause the bitch can’t hang. I made this guy out to be the biggest punk on this site so get in touch with what’s going on and look back at other posts if you can’t keep up. Then you’d see that my “blah blah blah, I won” posts hold up. Guess that’s why others always reply to him with fail and why people comment about he’s afraid to reply to me unless someone else is in the room with him. lol Afraid on the internet!
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
usually I ignore him
I just watch the train wreck unravel
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
this post was a fucking abortion tonight
who is the Rodger’s Black Eye? I checked the profile, they just signed up today
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
usually I ignore him, I just watch the train wreck unravel
You never ignore me dumbass. Why do you still lie to everybody? lol You can’t ignore me cause I’m the reason why you have tear drops on your pillow at night. You have to wait til the coast is clear before even replying again. Or you reply only if I’m going at it with someone else hoping the handicap will help you but it never does so you hide like the bitch you are.
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#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 AM EST up reply actions
poeple found this thread funny???????????????????
Looks like PotofGold is another account belonging to one of these homos.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'm heading to bed
12:15 am, 5:45 is coming fast
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no wonder ShivanTiger tried sticking up for you.
You 2 are old friends hugging and kissing while tuckin each other in for the night. Random people who aren’t bias laugh at your punk ass. You always talk shit just to get slapped down by me.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
I do like to put a pretend title on the line like Chael does.
To be honest, looking at every time me and him go at it. It is true, nobody can put up an argument for him saying shit. The score board is obviously and it’s something that I have to throw in his face which bothers him. To people who haven’t seen us before you have no clue. This was just some goofy shit but in other posts where we’ve argued over legit shit and where he’s started in on other people I fucking buried him.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
Man, this was a sad collection of comments to wade through
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I would like to officially apologize to all of MMAMANIA for my part in this sorry thread
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
to redeem yourself
I ask that you literally flag every comment in this thread, which will turn them red for the staff only, thus hopefully getting this thing burned to hell.
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by *Californication* on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
You would apologize just to kiss ass like the bitch I made you out to be.
Don’t run your mouth acting like you’ve ever stood a chance against me even with the help of your online buddies and none of this would have happened. Just back down like you’ve done every time and don’t pretend like you can hang. This time it was so bad that people are actually being nice to you cause they feel sorry for you. In other posts they have laughed you out of the room. Don’t believe me? Go back and look cause I’m not the one who’s known for lying like you have. This is what happens to you every time you try.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Feb 2, 2012 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
ALL I KNOW IS .. every morning this guy comes to my apartment complex diggs in the dumpster and pulls out cans and crushes them .. turns out the guys name is fedor
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YES !!!
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by randallhumpfreeze on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
........
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