Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: VIDEO: Veterans Share Favorite Sports Memories

As the "Godfather of MMA" , how proud would Bruce Lee be of what MMA is today ?



Referred to as the godfather of MMA , Bruce Lee envisioned martial arts as truly becoming mixed. He felt that at the pinnacle of martial arts one should "be like water" meaning fluid and able to adapt instantly around an object or obstacle. While alive and teaching these beliefs he was met with strong opposition from many masters and disciples of the old guard. Bruce was challenged and scoffed at for believing that not one single martial art or form was best or sufficient. It seems however that not only through his demonstrations and victories, in both form and film, but also in the evolution of martial arts after his death that Bruce was right. He embodied what every fighter should hope to be. Bruce was extremely fit, disciplined, well spoken, and quite frankly super human. In essence Bruce Lee is an example of the difference between training in martial arts and living martial arts. I believe however, ironically, that in a way while mma started as an attempt to clash and combine styles and techniques, Bruce's ideals of being mixed are fading.

Today the "sport" of mixed martial arts is growing in popularity and in numbers exponentially. More and more of the fighters in the UFC are becoming known and followed. With each event and fight there are new moves, finishes, and techniques seen. Im concerned however with the rate of new styles and clashes of styles being presented in MMA. While MMA started as mixed martial arts to bring everything together, it seems now that MMA is essentially its own martial art and straight forward combination of techniques. Unlike what Bruce wanted martial arts to fully become, fighters starting out and even longtime fighters seem to favor 3 styles instead of the multitude of them. What the godfather of MMA taught and wanted to see was the assimilation of the best of EVERY style and form. MMA and its fighters today seem to only respect and value muay thai, wrestling , and ju jitsu. These prominent styles are very effective and useful but for MMA to advance further at the same rate as the last decade or so all styles must come together in fighters so the fighter can "be like water." Lets take a look below for some examples of what I mean and what we as fans should expect and hope to see more of.


Star-divide

Like I said above one of the 3 'favored' styles is muay thai which is excellent but should stand up only be limited to such a version favoring somewhat telegraphed power striking ? There are other styles and deadly strikes that can be used with great results. John makdessi is a prime example of not solely adapting muay thai and traditional boxing into the stand up arsenal.

2d8j31s_medium

via cdn3.sbnation.com

Side kicks should not be so rare.

2nk07ir_medium

via cdn1.sbnation.com

Nor should a crescent kick ( just ask chuck.)

I might be looking at the glass half empty but it shouldnt take Steven Seagal to get the front kick 'accepted,'

The front kick is dangerous and hard to deal with, it shouldn't take anderson knocking out a dangerous striker with it to make it popular in MMA.

2_medium

via 3.bp.blogspot.com

Ngie7_medium

via cdn3.sbnation.com

Giffy_medium

via www.mma-scraps.com

Also in the hand to hand portion of the stand up it seems most fighters are fine with going back and forth , retreating from every attack before countering instead of stepping in on punches or telegraphed strikes to connect while the opponent has no chance to recover or defend. MMA could use some JKD and wing chun.

Machida_vs_hoger_medium

via cdn3.sbnation.com

This is art.

Ufc123machidastriking_medium

via assets.sbnation.com

Slomomachidakosfranklinangle2_medium

via cdn2.sbnation.com

When it comes to grappling , obviously wrestling has been considered the best background for MMA. In almost every fight now there is a ton of clinching and I find myself asking why let someone stall you ? Wheres the judo ?

Hettes-phan-td1_medium

via rashadface.com

Hettes-phan-td3_medium

via cdn2.cagepotato.com

2us7wg1_jpg_medium

via cdn0.sbnation.com

Jon jones certainly gets it.

Mll6bn_medium

via cdn0.sbnation.com


I love MMA and so should you so lets keep watching and encouraging the fighters and fans to remember what the " Godfather of MMA" wanted.

Be Water original (via julianfj)




Comment 40 comments  |  Add comment  |  15 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

agreed..

And imo-
Bruce Lee would fucking love todays MMA..

sucker free boss!~

by stinky~fingers on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice job, Woooooooooooly! As a fellow Machida fan, I appreciated the gifs. Rec'ed!!!

"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)

by OJR on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

+∞

Great idea and well put together.

Thanks.

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson

by Ulf Murphy on Jan 31, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the best I've ever seen.

Water can freeze and become ice too.

Not sure what it means but I’ll let you guys think on it.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright

by Yan117 on Jan 31, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Shamb's throw up some stories for

Sig Bet:
4-2,
Condit over Diaz - Shivan"Diesel"Tiger

by Cruz Jackson on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Shamb's throw up some stories from Chi town also.

I always wanna hear how ppl’s experiences are at the live events being that I’ve never been to one.
OD, Ulf and you other complainers here’s a real motherfuckin fan post so y’all can stop letting your vaginas hang out.
I’m on my phone. Be reccing this once full site loads. Slow as shit today in Edmonton.

Sig Bet:
4-2,
Condit over Diaz - Shivan"Diesel"Tiger

by Cruz Jackson on Jan 31, 2012 12:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It's the rules man. The rules are go ahead and diss someone,

But to go ahead form an entire public fucking article about not liking one’s craft that is non related whatsoever to the sport then why should anybody give a fuck. I see Ulf’s post is no longer there. Any idea what happened?

Sig Bet:
4-2,
Condit over Diaz - Shivan"Diesel"Tiger

by Cruz Jackson on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I removed it

It was a joke that people apparently took WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too seriously. Including you

Stinky got it, as did OJR and ODHGC. I think Drew did, but he eggs people on so much these days, I really couldn’t tell.

Like I told Scotti weeks ago, I stopped popping into his threads just to tell him he sucked, but I will always be up for a witch burning!!!

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Ulf I took it not that seriously. You guys straight ganged up on him.

Whether you like his posts or not are fine. But to do a full scale in crowd burning Of the guy was a lil fucked up. I will be the first one to say I come on here for good laughs. And I did giggle until I read it. You all made and example of him to look cool in front of your online mates, but you only succeeded in looking douchey as fuck. I think Mot is alright and brings a fresh idea to the fan post section. I don’t like them but at least some do. It didn’t help that I was just off work and it was cold as shit. So I was grumpy. But I saw it as something weak ppl do because you can’t do better. To just complain is fucking bitch made. Out do him and you’ll see better effects.
Ps. Suck my motha fuckin dick.

Sig Bet:
4-2,
Condit over Diaz - Shivan"Diesel"Tiger

by Cruz Jackson on Feb 1, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What's sad

is there are a lot of people who believe MMA is as fake as pro wrestling. Then they show “proof.” like short clips that don’t show the whole fight, or understand what it really takes to KO someone. The best is when someone (online) claiming to have “20 years Martial Arts experience” saying MMA fighters are too slow and unskilled and when they train with them he laughs because they suck so much.

My coach is a 4th Dan Hapkido black belt. He loves MMA, he’s been practicing Martial Arts for 20 years.

What would Bruce Lee think? I think he would have signed up for the first UFC (if he was young enough, born in 1970 instead of 1948) and continued to evolve as the sport evolved. He was way ahead of his time in thinking about what combing styles could mean.

"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."

by wolfman13 on Jan 31, 2012 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Not in person

it’s internet tough guys. Go on youtube, you’ll find a few of these “videos” that claim proof.

"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."

by wolfman13 on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post

Recd.

I’ve said the same thing more than once- there is a whole world of martial arts outside the narrow world of what I now call ‘American MMA’. By historical accident (including the success of BJJ at UFC1 and the preponderance of collegiate wrestlers in the early UFC), BJJ, wrestling and Muay Thai as you say have become the staple of MMA.

I recently said exactly the same thing to my brother (he fights MMA)- it is riduculous that Anderson Silva or Machida throws a successful front kick and the whole MMA world drops their jaws. Such kicks are commonplace and pedestrian in Karate and Taekwondo competitions. This is the guy who awarded me my latest dan grade showing what a front kick looks like:

I also thought it was pathetic when Joe Rogan mentioned at UFC 142 that this was the first time in the UFC that someone had been knocked out with a spinning kick. That happens at almost every Taekwondo competition.

Parrying and blocking is also very poor in the UFC. As you say and show with Machida, basic open hand blocking skills are almost nonexistent. Interestingly, the only MMA fighter who has shown above-average skill at blocking and parrying strikes is Rampage.

As you say, side kicks should not be so rare. This is why Cung Le is one of my favorite fighters- he successfully applies a wide range of kicks, including side kicks. Two things make me optimistic, though.

The first is that Jones is setting a good example by learning and applying a wide variety of ‘unorthodox’ techniques. The second is that people are beginning to realise how easy it is to score with the so-called ‘unorthodox’ techniques. This will make them more popular.

For example, one marvelously effective technique often used to spectacular effect in Karate competition is the sudden leg sweep. When executed well, it invariably results in your opponent crashing to the ground. Here it is being used in competition:

This would be much more effective than the rote leg kicks everybody does. Interestingly again, the only person I’ve seen attempt it from a distance is Jones.

Until the UFC actively and massively recruits from other talent pools than just US collegiate wrestlers, what you want to see won’t happen soon enough. People adopt what they see working. BJJ is popular because people saw that it works. Ronda Rousey will make more people look more closely at Judo throws, and Machida has done well for the mae-geri brand. But there’s still a long way to go before the UFC showcases the best of martial arts.

by Motmaitre on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Sudden leg sweep?

I get what your saying(the rest of the post) but that(leg sweep)is something that will never work in mma ever.(speaking at a high level) It works in Karate for the same reason Muay Thai fighters destroy Karate kids because they can’t take a hit worth shiit as well as their stance is not well balanced for actual fighting(mma).

Alot of strikes can be used from different martial arts in mma currently but they are not because mma is not simple like any single martial art it takes a looong time for some karate muay thai JJ Judo practitioner to learn to throw a single strike/throw with near perfect technique. In mma you have to learn everything thats important first and work heavy on it before trying to master any single technique. Wrestling/JJ/Muaythai/Boxing are the core Arts of mma that must be learned if you ever want to get close to becoming champion in any weight division. That means you have to split a ton of time learning all of that then maybe you eventually try some other shit and even then no one has even come close to mastering all of those together.

As for the post Bruce he would love it just love it.

If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!

by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The leg sweep is one of the most effective and practical techniques in martial arts. It will work particularly well in MMA, for the same reason leg kicks work. In fact, it is virtually identical to a leg kick, only that it is targeted lower (at the ankle instead of the thigh). The result is that the leading leg is swept off the ground, causing the opponent to topple.

Most MMA fighters are particularly vulnerable to it, because- especially when gassed- they tend to stand within range and have no defence against it. Everybody who gets hit with a leg kick could just as easily have been hit with a foot sweep. And like I said, I’ve actually seen Jones apply it- against Rampage.

As for your generalization about Karate fighters, my opinion on that is the same as I have for any simplistic generalization about any style.

by Motmaitre on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Rogan said it was the first time in a UFC fight

not the first time ever, he is a black belt in Tae Kwon do himself man

"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."

by wolfman13 on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Rogan mentioned at UFC 142 that this was the first time in the UFC that someone had been knocked out with a spinning kick.

by Motmaitre on Jan 31, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I misread it

opps. I only half read the sentence. Just found out I owe taxes and I’m a bit distracted? I made next to nothing and I owe taxes? WTF

"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."

by wolfman13 on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd be rolling over in his grave if he had heard about the TRT

and punches to the back of the head by certain fighters.

"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

why would he? He used steroids for a while, and trt is only to bring levels up to the average persons so what is the problem?

by steady2wheels on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think their testosterone is depleted from natural causes?

Fan of: Cole Miller, Amir Sadollah, Alan Belcher, Frank Mir, Matt Brown

by Pootwich on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

nope, but some perhaps

by steady2wheels on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post by the way

"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

well done dickhead, great post....rec'd

my view, is that it all has to do with the stance you adopt in mma, certain techniqes can not be thrown or utilised unless your stance is in a certain orientation, and when it is in that particular orientation your defence is compromised, for example take down defence. when competing in a tae kwon do match, i know i can stand side on and use my legs freely as i know no one is going to grab my lead leg and take me to the ground, same with boxing, longish wide stance, but mma is different…

you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope you're fucking happy......

by mizzyb on Jan 31, 2012 4:24 AM EST reply actions  

Sick Post

signed in just so i could respond, to the dude who said u need wrestling or what not, i aint seen silva or jds use it at all as well as aldo, maybe there takedown defence is exceptional but as far as needing wrestling i think thats a myth

by tHe mADNess on Jan 31, 2012 5:25 AM EST reply actions  

takedown defense and the ability to negate wrestling

is wrestling

"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Jan 31, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

at no point did i say takedown defence wasnt wrestling

the art of takedowns and takedown defence are not subject to just wrestling on its own, youll see that bjj judo and many other arts all require forms of takedowns and tdd.it seems youve missed the whole point of this post and have obviously taken your view of takedown systems from joe rogan commentary.

by tHe mADNess on Jan 31, 2012 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome post, great use of gifs. Rec’d.

MMA is like a puzzle, it's just a matter of finding a solution to each situation.

by The Ruiner on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I didn’t rec tho, you’re already a highlighted article

you should totally twitter that on your facebook

by ~Peregrine on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks maniacs

Love you guys , even danago .
Syke !!

bloody queef bubble

by wooly shambler on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

imo u will see more mixed martial art fighters using every discipline in the future

right now fighters are coming from one discipline growing up and then train in about 3 or 4 disciplines to catchup and become an MMA fighter.

they’re are not to many athletes (wrestlers) above 185lbs like jon jones around that can adapt as quicly as he did… they’re either playing football, basketball, baseball while growning up, those more popular sports in the USA seem to take the best athletes 1st and the little guys go to wrestling

I think that trend will change in many years with kids starting mma training earlier

"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Feb 1, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Great post!

First time checking out the fan posts, and I’m glad I did. It definitely a great read. Bruce Lee probably would be proud to know that MMA is the product of his legacy. While he didn’t have a direct hand in shaping the sport, his philosophy did pave the way for it.

As far as a competitor using Wing Chun, there is somebody who says he does use it as his base style, but the fight I saw on youtube didn’t look anything like it.

by KashAcous on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Bruce Lee's death has stunted our growth as human beings

If Bruce Lee where alive today, MMA would be more evolved today…MMA didn’t become MMA until the 90’s… That’s 20 some years after bruce lee’s death…So, nearly 39 years after his death we still have Mauy thai, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing, etc…there will come a day when MMA is just Martial Art(AKA) fighting and it will be all encompassing free flowing movement, based on angle, distance and opportunity… Then Bruce might say “Yes, that’s it… How did it feel to you…”

by xXScrapartistXx on Feb 3, 2012 8:25 AM EST reply actions  


User Tools

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

2761640571a8854125388l_small
FREE-POOL RESULTS. UFC 146. JDS v MIR
Its-more-fun-in-the-philippines_small
Mania Money Pool Results: UFC 146 (Dos Santos vs Mir)
Thumbnail
QOTW - 04/2012-05/2012
Venetian_mask_small
New Blackfly Comic- The Angel Retributions Part 22
Sexy-beer-54095_small
Beermania: UFC 146 'Dos Santos vs Mir' Edition

Recent FanPosts

628x471_small
UFC 146: Unambig report cards
Me_2_small
The 'ONE Asia MMA Summit' Could be a Defining Moment in the History of Asian MMA
Imgp0069_small
Possible Return of Brock Lesnar and Post UFC 146 Thoughts
Small
What's Next for Junior?
Shake10_small
WEC up in this MUTHA FAKKA (Down with UFC)
Small
More shocking news concerning Anthony Johnson
74471_small
UFC 146 'Primetime' video for 'Dos Santos vs Mir' on FX (Final Episode)
Me_2_small
Roger Huerta to fight Phil Baroni at ONE Fighting Championship: 'Destiny of Warriors'

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Bane2_small Jesse Holland

Solidsnake_small Geno Mrosko

Mmamania_logo_small Thomas Myers

Editors

Small Andrew Mendez

Mmamania_small Brian Hemminger

File1684_small Sergio Hernandez

Me_small Kevin Haggerty

5260_120799616881_564821881_3026489_7189708_n_small Adam Guillen Jr.