UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta's letter to congress in support of SOPA

Photo of UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta by Michael Cohen via Getty Images.
Mixed martial arts (MMA) fans looking to get some insight into why Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a staunch supporter of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), need look no further than UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta, who wrote a letter to Congressman Lamar Smith last November outlining his concerns.
Middle Easy has it:
This is a critical piece of legislation that directly affects the Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC) and many other U.S.-based companies that create American jobs by producing live sporting events. Presently, the UFC, Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League, and many other American sporting businesses are threatened by the unlawful live streaming of our telecasts.
The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the world's largest fight promotion suggests that piracy is costing thousands of hard working people their jobs. But is blindly supporting this type of legislation, regardless of its collateral damage, the best solution?
More from Fertitta after the jump.
The piracy of live sporting events is illegal, it kills jobs, and it threatens the expansion of U.S.-based companies. This is the issue that keeps us up at night, and we are very concerned about the continued theft of our shows.
In 2001, my brother and I along with our friend Dana White, purchased the nearly bankrupt UFC. We saw great potential in the UFC when many thought we were crazy. We took a great risk, but today the UFC is a phenomenal success, creating and impacting thousands of jobs for our athletes, licensees, partners, and affiliates. That success is threatened by the theft and retransmission of our live pay-per-view events and telecasts, which account for a significant portion of our revenues. Our copyright-protected works are critical to our survival, yet there are infringing web sites where one can find almost any type of pirated content, including live UFC events, NFL, NBA, and MLB games, the Olympics, and virtually every TV show and movie. If copyrighted works are allowed to be pirated with impunity, the potential effects on U.S. producers of entertainment programming, including the thousands of jobs that they create, will be disastrous.
There it is folks, straight from the horse's mouth. You can read the entire letter here.
The SOPA bill was problematic from its inception. What if you had a website that allowed people to stream video and then someone posted copyrighted video against site policy ? Is the person who hosts the video supposed to be held accountable for any and everything streamed on the site ?
Do the ends justify the means?
Not everyone believes so, which is probably why the UFC website was hacked on Sunday (Jan. 22, 2012) as retaliation for the promotion's support of SOPA. Read all about that here, as well as a more detailed look at the UFC/SOPA debate here.
What's the answer here, Maniacs?
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I love free MMA, but I'm gonna enjoy it twice as much now just because it pisses off these greedy assholes.
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Mythbuster rules
I strongly oppose SOPA. It's bad legislation through and through
But exactly how is it greedy to want to protect your own property? I simply do not get this whole “peasant uprising” sentiment. This whole notion is just as relative as anything else. I don’t know what you do for a living, but I doubt you would let anyone walk in your house and take one of your flat screens simply because you have more than one, and by golly one ought to be enough.
I’m not pure in this either, I’ve been known to stream a fight or two. Havent in years, but still. However, I have never felt like “theses greedy ***holes” owe it to me.
Anyway, I get that Zuffa wants to protect their property, but SOPA ain’t the way
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Maybe greed is the wrong word
But blindly supporting this bill for your own selfish gains and not looking at the big picture and how it effects the rest of the world is my problem with the UFC as it pertains to this
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Then I'm with you 100%
I just don’t get the basic notion that some seem to have of “I should get what I want anytime I want because those guys are rich”
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
+1 for freezy
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually Humphries but thanks dude !
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if joe Rogan will get heat
On his podcast he covered the issue with the SOPA bill and is against the way the bill is written. He is for a way to increase protection for copyrighted material but the SOPA bill isn’t the right way of doing it. That and the Feds already can shut down sites. Megaupload.com was taken down AND THE FEDS ARRESTED 4 in new Zealand! They can get ppl arrested even if they aren’t in the USA ALREADY! This bill allows for online censorship like in China. This blog would be affected, they put up copyrighted stuff and it’s users (us) put up copyrighted stuff (example all the .gifs come from copyrighted material). Does it make it right for the Feds to block 100% access to this blog? F*ck no! I’m disappointed to see the UFC executives being pro SOPA especially in this form. Btw if you want an investing article about who wrote up the bill and why congressman support it, go to YouTube and search Jon Stewart SOPA.
by Guillaume Bouchard on Jan 23, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
"Wonder if joe Rogan will get heat"
On Dana’s twitter someone was complaining about Joe not commentating on the fx card and he told the person, if you want to see Joe watch his podcast.
Politics is just one big ass blast.
interesting.
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
How is, "Hey you have to pay for the service we provide" being greedy?
That’s basic economics. And if you are streaming events, you have nobody to blame for this god awful legislation but yourself.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey mods
I hope I didn’t do anything wrong pasting that letter .
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 AM EST reply actions
I fixed it
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
nothing wrong with lorenzo not wanting people to steel from him.
would you want your shit highjacked?
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
You don't get it
Sopa isn’t the answer , You can’t hinder free speech and fuck up all of the web over this shit . Look at the bill. If someone put up copyrighted on youtube shit this bill would give the government the ability to shut down the whole website, does that make sense ? Fucking troll !
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
*copyrighted shit on youtube
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
actually, i do get it.. just because im down with SOPA, doesn't mean i dont 'get it'..
you sound like a fucking hippy.. “you dont get it maaan” “down with the trolls”..
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by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
your very ignorant and can see past the end of your nose if that is the case
the large percentage of websites are going to be wrecked including a whole bunch of online business’s, my parents are going nuts over theis thing because they conduct a lot of online business, and it will be majorly affected by this, a small family run company. It’s not about free speach or ‘being a hippie’ or any of that, it is merely about common sense, there’s a reason a lot of major companies do not support it.
by steady2wheels on Jan 23, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't I already beat the shit out of you on this subject yesterday?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha.
the day a noobie as bitch like you beats " the shit out of me" on a subjest, is the day drewmoney makes a fair wager..
get the fuck out of here with that bullshit, you anti-SOPA raggamuffin.
you are getting all excited over avatar pics? lol…… you probably have a girlfriend with a wooden leg and real toe nails..
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
you anti-SOPA raggamuffin.
You are bragging about getting behind a bill that didn’t pass. Hint: the bill was fucking bullshit, which is why it didn’t…..you may want to rethink your opinion of this thing man.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
step off, deuce.
im not interested in talking to you right now.
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh YES you do.
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Change you pic to a badass grizzly bear and Deuce might think about respecting your authority, Stink.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
if you dont respect a koala,
you don’t respect your life.
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
man, you need to do one of two things….smoke more, or smoke less b/c your head is not right today.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Prolly that dildo thats been lodge there for the past 3 days…it finally took its toll on the poor guy.
Show no mercy; for you shall receive none
koala's are the fagiest bears in the animal kingdom
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
dude get me out of your head!
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you Stinky...sort of
I have no problem with the UFC protecting their property, but SOPA is a mess.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
You are a dumb shit too.
Just because people stream the UFC events on ESPN UK on the internet, the UFC wants to ucking destroy the entire internet?
He fuckfaces, don’t put free UFC events on ESPN.
Nobody is going to want to stream something that they had to pay for.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Uh..okay. How is agreeing with you make me a dumb s**t ?
I get that that the UFC wants to protect it’s financial interest, but this is not the way to do it, plain and simple.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
take on dump on these guys ed
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
ah christ *facepalm
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Do you know what that would do to this website?
It would be disastrous to mania in its current state.
It actually wouldn't change as most of the content would be allowed to be used in its current format
The only thing that would disappear would be the gifs.
For most of the content, you could easily get permission, and it would take all of 10 minutes to set up a permission slip type program that allows users to use content that was meant to be free anyway.
My biggest problem with the legislation is the rights it gives to the US govt in deciding what is affected by the legislation. The vagueness allows the govt to step in a shut down almosst any website for any reason. I have a problem with that.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
The content that mania's writers post would be fine.
However they would have to sensor and tightly controlled content. Any pictures or content posted by users could just as easily contain material that could get mania shut down because of the vagueness in the legislation.
the content would remain
it would effectively kill any pics, gifs, links, etc.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
ulf gets it.
you guys think it’s going to ruin the internet because you cant steal peoples shit anymore..
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
wrong.
he just hasn’t finished reading it through.
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
on point as ever.
is what you really meant..
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I am NOT for this legislation
clear enough?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
ulf
i have a scotch question for you
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
not my cup of tea
Deuce is a much better judge. Zino has the best scotch pallete on the site.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
ok, thanks
I heard you may have been the man to talk to. I’ve never chatted with Zino, I’ll hit up Deuce on FB
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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WTF?
Deuce is back on FB?
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Baller- Macallan 18 year single barrel
With the crowd- Glenfiddich is always a good choice
Something different and cheap- Glenmorangie is pretty dang good.
Get yourself a nice cigar. Have yourself a good evening.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Deuce
I usually go with The Macallan 12, I like single malts that are aged or finished in Sherry casks, I just picked up a bottle of this.

But I haven’t opened it yet, was just over half the price of my reg, but if it is not to good, I’ll take it back before I open it.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
by ShivanTiger on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
i saw the typo.. didn't even think twice to correct it..
im boss like that.. you will never catch me fixing typos on my shit. EVER… as long as it is understandable, i could give a shit.
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by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I am actually close to the same thing.
I have cut back to only buying the really good cards anyway. I think I bought 6 in 2011, and will probably only buy Bones’ and Anderson’s (depending upon opponent) in 2012.
There is so much free MMA available that I will be hard pressed to even care that I missed a UFC PPV. I will get updates on Mania and go along my way with about $600 extra bucks in my pocket.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Same.
Used to buy them all. Then last year switched to the but the really good ones with a title on the line of a fighter I like.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Shelling out $54.95 once a month or more, is getting to be a little rough
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
SO will you be streaming?
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by *Californication* on Jan 23, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
i hope he streams
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the party Ulf,
I took it a step further and canceled cable and cut my netflix in 1/2 around may of last year. I bought every ppv for years and didn’t charge friends, not I just go to the bar or stream.
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
debacle , debackle , potatoe , potata ........
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Stop being cheap
I take issue with SOPA but not paying for the UFC’s product. You know it’s wrong to pirate things and you can’t blame them for trying to have the most successful business model possible, you would do the same damn thing.
**** this
i live in singapore.. now how do you reckon i follow the ufc events 8( this is not practical at all. mma is almost unheard of in singapore…
iwan you can watch the through ufc.com I believe
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Screw all you losers who steal the broadcasts.....
….buck up like the rest of us or watch something else that’s suppose to be free. The sense of entitlement by people is amazing.
And we have another clueless BE troll who thinks that piracy takes millions out of the UFC's pockets.
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How many prople do you think stream the average event?
Times that by $60. Then times that by the number of events in a year. I’m sure its higher than we think.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yo do know that us dumb American's are the only ones who pay for the UFC right?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that just means they should pay as well.
Not that we should get it free too.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tht's my point.
Every single stream of a UFC event is from ESPN UK.
You want end free treaming? Make veryboy pay.
People will be much more reistant to give omething out for free that thy had to pay for.
The UFC is using a nuclear bomb to kill an ant.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Like I said, the govt is using a hack saw when a scalpel is needed.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yah but I don't think the number of people that would pay for an event
would change that much. They’re probably free or nothing types. imo
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
completely the ufc seem to think that the people who get it free
would all pay, completely the opposite of course they wont.
by steady2wheels on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
So that makes it OK? If you don’t want to support the fighters, please leave my sport and find another.
Bobby Southworth
we dont give a fuck if its ok , fag
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what we’re dealing with here. Kids who don’t give a f*** about anything, kids like you wouldn’t last 2 minutes back in my day.
You think the world revolves around you, it doesn’t owe you anything. You want to watch UFC? Pay for it, the whole ‘I don’t give a F’ attitude won’t get you anywhere in life kid.
Bobby Southworth
im 30 yrs old you little shit stain
talk to me about not lasting a day? lol
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
get em, danago.
these kids certainly don’t understand business..
especially this randal guy.
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by stinky~fingers on Jan 23, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol, the end is near. you actually had to join forces with Danago. lmao!
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
join forces?
ha!
we all know who needs other peoples help..
im a one man gang, son..
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by stinky~fingers on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
no 2 fags and a girl,
you danago, and stallion. I can’t believe the parkinsons has hit you so hard. this is the most rapid decline in mania history. I can’t even recognize you by your posts anymore. I read some shit comment and start saying to myself “what kida stupid fag…” and then I scroll down and shed a single tear when I see your name.
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
haha, you are crying.. i hacked your computer like your hero's did to the ufc website... took a quick picture of you tearing up like a little bitch.

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by stinky~fingers on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
you coulda shooped him on a better pick
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
That's not creepy at all
You went full retard Ricky. Never do that.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
you're a little behind bro look at the ufc hacked thread
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
im taking from the rich and greedy (the ufc) and giving to the poor (me) im a modern day robin hood
by steady2wheels on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
SOPA is not the answer.
When will people understand this.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Fuckin disgrace this is. He is a fuckin idiot who hasn't done his research if he thinks SOPA is the answer to his perceived piracy problem.
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ESPN UK
I think a somewhat interesting twist to the whole thing is that most streams are not sourced from American-bought PPVs, but rather from the essentially-free ESPN UK broadcasts. While, I agree that it’s probably wrong that I stream these events, it bugs me that they give it away for free in markets that are in relatively the same standing economically.
who is going to spend £35 on a PPV that starts at 3 in the morning.
We don’t even get the prelims like you do and not all of them are on facebook. I don’t think any Americans would do that. When there is a big boxing PPV on it will be £15 which I don’t mind paying out but the fight you are waiting for doesn’t start till like half 5 in the morning! Would you be willing to stay up that late???
"I always said a team who drinks together, wins together." - Richard Gough
Seems like people just like free shit
Really, thats it
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions
Torn on the issue
I get that these companies want to maximize their profit (greed), but st the same time they’re still bringing in millions of dollars a year. Actors are still rich, players are still rich, and no matter what people will always go to the live show if they can. Somebody argued yesterday that if it’s not right to steal from why is right to steal from the UFC. It’s a great point but I have to say while I wouldn’t steal from Walmart, the people that do are t really hurting walmarts bottom line are they? Walmart is still a billion dollar company.
Movies are over priced. That same person argued that movies are overpriced because people are stealing them. Again a great argument, but movies are still grossing millions on opening night (Underworld did $25 million Friday) whih means people are still willing to pay those ridiculous prices and if thats the case what is the incentive to lower prices? If they some how stop the left of the movies they aren’t going to lower prices.
Music is entirely different. My dream was to play guitar in a band and tour the rest of my life. I never once thought I want to make millions or even hundreds of thousands dollars playing music. I did it for the love of music and getting it to the fans.
Point being, greed is the problem. Instead of making millions on ppvs the UFC wants to make billions and it’s bullshit. That’s just my opinion tho. I don’t really know shit about how much it cost to run a live show or make a movie.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It was probably me.
I just want to clarify, I don’t support SOPA, but I’m not surprised by it either. I do think its funny when people say, “these corporations are too greedy, so I’m going to be cheap and get their product for free”. It makes you no better really. Yes this bill is wrong, but the problem does exist.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was you.
Like I said you made great points. And thanks for clarifying your stance.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont agree with this legislation, as somebody put, its a hacksaw solution to a problem that needs a scalpel.
But I understand a business supporting this, for them, its currently the best option. So I’m not going to bash a company who supports it.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I pay for about 85% off the fights and stream the other 15%. I only stream the weaker cards.
If this some how continues then I will just make a trip to Hooters and watch for free anyway, Hooters will profit from it more than the UFC.Plus on top of that, it aint like the UFC is some struggling company that has to have it..oh well.
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This Thread is a Bit More Quiet Than it Should Be
Probably because of how many people here do steal by watching free streams. I agree with above poster. Action should be taken against those providing and viewing free streams, but this is not necessarily the answer.
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by G Squat on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
Unless someone can really explain how this affects “freedom of speech” then I support sopa
Seems like people want free shit
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Most people aren't supporting privacy.
Its about the freedom to access information. Giving the government power to start bringing down websites is scary.
Politics is just one big ass blast.
+1000
This is a classic case of the government using a sledgehammer to swat a fly.
Not downplaying the problems with piracy and such, but this is massive overkill, and in the end, not really about piracy, but the governments ability to control freeflow of information (imo)
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
well they wouldjust take down websites that involve piracy correct?
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Im asking a serious question
What websites would they shutdown that dont involve piracy?
Like im not being a dick, I just want to know
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Any website they wanted.
You are coming off as a moron.
SOPA gives government the power to shut down ANY website they want to.
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Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Id prefer to hear some insight from rolandando
Your contribution isnt really necessary
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by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't give a shit what you would prefer.
If you are going to post on a public forum, you are going to get public opinions.
You are a stupid fuking dio, who would make the world a better place if he were to walk into in coming traffic.
Now if you are going to be a sister panty licking cocksucker, then I will treat you as such.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
go get laid
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I will, as soon as that fat cunt mother of yours gets over here.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
k
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
wait, it was going so good?
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well, more and more people are realizing what a facade the government is
And I attribute that to the internet. The internet allows you to access all kinds of information that would normally be very hard to find (documentaries, declassified CIA documents, etc). The internet allows people to see a different perspective thats hard to find through other media. I’ve been worried for a long time that the government would step in and start shutting down websites they don’t like.
Politics is just one big ass blast.
Hahahahahahah
Name one time the government had a power that they didn’t abuse.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's a big load of shit.
I got hooked on MMA by downloading free content on the internet and now I pay $60 for every HD PPV. I wouldn’t waste my time watching a grainy low res internet stream. Young people don’t have $60 to buy every event in HD, but once they are hooked they will in the future. There will always be around 15% of people that will never pay for it, so they aren’t losing anything from those deadbeats. If they can’t get it for free they just won’t get it. I also bought several UFC dvd’s in the past and it was all due to the fact that I got hooked by watching free content on the internet.
by Drubbin on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
^^^^^^THIS
This is one point that isn’t really touched on enough. I download music and I have no shame because if the music is good I’m going to buy it for the high quality and buy a ticket tot he concert and buy a shirt directly from the band. Period. Same with UFC events. If the event is good I’ll buy the DVD to rewatch in high quality. I was buyin every even for 3 years and now I have another mouth to feed and can’t justify it. With that being said I will always buy the big fights ie Anderson Silva, Diaz, GSP, JDS and Overeem etc.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Get Your Point
It’s still illegal. It’s the principal of the matter. Gotta nip it in the bud.
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by G Squat on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't get behind this theory.
It’s like saying “I stole my first Lexus and liked it so much that I started buying them.”.
Come on man. Stealing is not marketing.
Sopa is a pos bill, but don’t act like it’s not addressing a real problem.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You sort of overstated it with the Lexus analogy.
I get your point tho.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
word of mouth is marketing
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
There are basically four arguments
Pro/con on the language of SOPA, and pro/con UFC’s “greed”. I completely agree that SOPA is poor legislation and oppose it on those grounds.
If you get on this site and complain that the UFC is greedy, that it’s overpriced, that you are forced to download and stream, etc…you have no logical or moral argument whatsoever. Shut the hell up and go make some more money. Act like an adult.
You whiners are such fucking babies, grow the hell up.
So you have no issue with athletes making millions of dollars to play sports? Or actors getting paid ridiculous money to do nothing that contributes to society? So I have to go find a better job just to watch sports? Come on man. Whiners, really? The same could be said about these million dollar companies. Awwww podillilnaire you made $100,000 less than usual. Awwwww.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do I Think it's crazy...yeah
But as long as people are willing to shell out the money to watch them play…so be it
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Fair enough.
I just can’t stand to hear rich peole comparing about profits. It’s absurd.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can dig that
I get the same way, when I hear ahtetes crying about contract disputes over a million or so, for a hundred million dollar contract. But, in the end, it’s their right to earn as much as someone is willing to pay them to throw a ball through a hoop.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Well yes morally it sucks
But people shell out tons to see people act and fight
Thats reality
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yep...this is about to digress into a "kill the rich" thread
So much for the “Fighters don’t make enough argument”
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
exactly
I understand not every thing is fair, but if you bust your ass, you will be fine
I gurantee the people that hate the rich just because “there rich” would have no probelm being in there situation
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
If i dont want those people to make that kind of money.
I don’t watch their programming. You are only thinking of the top 1% earners. How about the sound guy, or the camera guy, the food catering company contracted to feed everybody? You just ignore them?
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As I said above I dont know all the logistics of putting on a live show.
I will admit I’m ingorant to that side of the coin. But the numbers don’t lie. They’re still pulling in a tons of revenue.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So next time before you start irrationally making assumptions.
Think about all of those variables, you may not know it, but you can be playing with peoples financial well being.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes mother.
Why do you have to be a dick? I’m trying to enjoy a healthy debate and all I get from is dickish comments.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you took what i said offensivly
How do you survive the average in the real world?
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In all fairness, it's hard to discern your tone when reading text.
I’ll admit I overreacted
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would you complain about the pay of entertainers. They get paid what they’re worth. When Brock Lesnar gets 500k for a fight it’s because he brings in a shitload of revenue.
Do athletes make absurd amounts of money? For sure. Are they overpaid? You don’t get to decide that.
by SnoopSteele on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
What do you consider contributing to society??
These people are all entertainers and at the highest level. They are doing something that 99.9% of people cannot do – even talented people.
I don’t have to be an inventor/scientist/md to contribute to society. If I entertain millions of people and keep them happy and motivated to go through life to keep producing, have I not contributed?
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure but the children are the future.
If they aren’t getting the education they need then the fact your entertaining people is irrelevant if they can’t get a job that allows them to make the money to enjoy said entertainment.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats a different probelm all together
but i agree
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a little confused.
What is the comparison between entertainers being overpaid and kids not getting a good education?
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just think its ridiculous that we as Americans value our athletes over our teachers. If the sports entertainment industry wasn’t as valued as it is these piracy issues wouldn’t be as important because millions, nay billions of dollars wouldn’t be at stake. Furthermore, peole probably wouldnt care about piracy because they would be more concerned about their child’s education and our future as a country. It’s no secret the US is being left behind in the education rankings.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55476dCgSsw
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Thats a hell of a 13 year old mentality there
I take it you’ve never actually had a job?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
What the hell are you talking about
I’ve had tax-paying jobs since I was 14. Are you implying I’m immature because I appreciate concepts like property rights?
In order for you to have a sport like MMA people have had to invest millions and millions of dollars. The viewers get to decided what events cost by voting with their dollars, not by stealing it.
by SnoopSteele on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
No
I think you’re immature because you think that people who earn minimum wage are poor by choice. As if they could wake up one day and decide “I’ll quit my low paying jobs that are keeping this roof over my kids heads, and I’ll… oh I know, I’ll make more money!”
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
im taking from the rich and giving to be poor, taking from the greedy. These companies make huge profits while the working man gets shafted, i have to make my money back where i can
by steady2wheels on Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I've always had job.
So becaue I think teachers, firemen, and the police joule get paid more than athletes I’m immature? Is that not a problem to you? Would you rather your kids be taught by someone happy at their job making the money they deserve to make because of what their contributing or the person making approximately dick to put up with your child and your complaints about how they perform their job?
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was aimed at snoopsteele
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Actually its the most adult mentality there is.
If you want something, but can’t afford it, you don’t go steal it, you save up or work harder to attain it.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
“Shut up and go make more money”? Thats an adult mentality?
Wow, who knew it was that easy! The single mother working two jobs for minimum wage… damn, she should just go earn more money. How simple!
It’s a retards view of the world and the job market.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Thats reality man, shit sucks
Sometimes your in a hole
But if you bust your ass long enough, you can make it
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that, to a point.
There are circumstances that often interfere (illnesses, natural disasters, etc).
But it isn’t a matter of people not wanting to make more money, as original idiot implies.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
were on the same page
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
You don't have a god damn right to watching the UFC
So yeah, shut up and make more money if you want to the nicer things in life. That’s being responsible for yourself.
What you’re doing is alleviating yourself and others of all responsibility by saying that since it’s expensive it’s okay to steal. That is way more in line with a 13-year old.
by SnoopSteele on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
waaaa
1) Its not even stealing, if you want to get into that argument.
2) “shut up and go make more money” is my problem with your 13 year old view of how the world works.
You either don’t work, or have had everything handed to you if you think that way.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You're not making a principled argument
You’re making an emotional one. I can make something similar towards you, watch:
You either don’t work hard enough, or you’ve been victimized by poverty if you think that way.
Bottom line is producers have rights to the fruits of their labor. Just because people want something they can’t afford, it doesn’t mean they get to obtain it through illegal means.
by SnoopSteele on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
And all of us can empathize with not being able to afford two $60 PPVs a month. I personally do think the $60/PPV is too expensive. But in a perfect world, if nobody streams and not enough can afford it, UFC has to drop their prices to make it profitable.
I mean, they’re already putting out a ton of free cards through Fox, FX, and Fuel TV this year. So I think they’re getting the message.
by SnoopSteele on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
It is stealing. Its the same thing as stealing from a store.
In both cases, the actual theft of the product itself isn’t the problem, the store doesn’t care about the candy bar or bag of whatever you stole. They care about he potential profit you prevented them from making in them selling it. They have a right to sell things at a higher price to make a profit. Profits allow them to at some point expand their business. Like the UFC now opting offices in China and doing a UK vs Australia TUF. Without profits, none of that would be possible and these new young fighters wouldn’t be able to start a career in fighting. Stores aren’t pissed aboveut you stealing a candy bar worth $0.15, they are pissed that you stole their $1.30 profit. Just pike the UFC, they aren’t pissed you stole their video, they are pissed you stole their $45-60.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
1) Its not even stealing, if you want to get into that argument.
Fact is it’s stealing myth, there is no argument to be had.
If you can’t afford car you can’t just go and steal because you believe everyone should be able to have a new car or because Fords owners are rich as fuck. Same as the UFC PPV myth. If you steal it means your a thief and what companies likk the UFC will do is cut jobs rather than lose money so not only are you stealing your costing someone a job.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Sure. But whatever that worth is, is subjective.
Thats ultimately my point. Some people don’t think working harder to make more money to pay for something that is unnecessary is the option. So they steal it. If it came down to paying the bills or spending $110 a month on UFC ppvs the answer is obvious. However, if that UFC product is available free somewhere illegal or not they’re going to steal it.
by emperorj on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've said for a while, and will continue to say...
FUCK the UFC.
Not the fighters, not the fights – but the shitty fucks behind the scenes. Scumbags to the core.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Some one has gotta run the business...right?
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Ya damn those people
…for wanting you to pay to watch their product. The nerve of them.
Ohhhh…..you’re an idiot!
agreed get it hahaha agreed greed.............uhhhhhhhhboy
Have you guys ever watched a stream ? The streams I’ve watch are always in shitty quality with ads all over and lagging all over ! Are their some some secret el chupacabra high def streams I don’t know about ? I just can’t see how real fans would be ok with these shitty streams. I only watched them once when I’m trapped inside by snow and can’t get the bar.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
great point
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I just can't see howpiracy is hurting the UFC to the extent they say it is
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Just think about it
if you and your buddies started running a company and there were some cases were people were stealing your products, wouldnt you be against it? regardless if your making a decent income
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by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
yah but i dont know one single person
that say oh i’ll just stream it instead of buy. The streams are absolute shit
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
seems like the stolen streams have to get better though
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
come again ?
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
You have no right stealing material. The internet is a great tool, that doesn’t mean you can abuse it. Stealing in real life is against the law, why should it be any different online. Sitting behind your computer changes NOTHING. Support SOPA.
Bobby Southworth
agreed
Its all about people wanting free shit
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Or fuckface, instead of the UFC giving it free to most people, why not make everybody pay for it, that way nobody wants to stream it for free?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
You want everything free
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
You are so fucking stupid.
Alright. PAY ATTENTION COCKSUCKER.
Almost everybody who watches the UFC gets to watch it or free. The only dummies who pay for it are north america.
Every single UFC stream is from ESPN UK.
So instead of destroying the internet, why doesn’t the UFC just make EVERYBODY pay for PPVs?
How many people would want to give something away for free that they themselves had to pay for?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
so the uk gets all ufc fights free ?
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Every UFC stream I have ever watched is streamed from ESPN UK.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Almost everybody who watches the UFC gets to watch it or free
Not True
Also, if you want to argue with people, try not calling them names. I havent said one thing to you that warrants any of what youd said
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
20 million people watched UFC Rio for free. Now how many ppv buys did that card get?
That’s what I thought. Go fuck yourself.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Whats the worlds population?
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
What?
900,000 people bought UFC Rio, 20 million watched it for free.
The world’s population has nothing to do with anything.
You are just a dumb fuck who is getting BRUTALLY destroyed.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
You are an internet tough guy thats probably not worth much in the real world
Im sorry , but I dont support Piracy
Please waste your Keyboard on someone else
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
So basically I have completely beat your ass into oblivion, and you have nothing more to contribute.
Good. Now go fondle yourself.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
You same guys crying about SOPA are the same guys who hate GSP. You can’t appreciate anything, you’re cheap.
Bobby Southworth
Because sopa and gsp are both fags
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
that was funny
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really understand your view on this
If the UFC thinks it’s a good idea to charge $1000 a PPV, that is their prerogative. It would be a horrible decision and they would have to lower the price once they realized it isn’t selling. That’s supply and demand.
It never makes it right to steal it online or demand that its on “free” tv.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You dumb cunt.
NOBODY IS FUCKING SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE FREE YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT.
I CLEARLY SAID MAKE EVERYBODY PAY FOR IT AND YOU WILL END FREE UFC STREAMS.
WHAT PART OF THAT CAN YOU NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND?
Point out to me where I said “We should get it free cause everybody gets it free”.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
If you think for one second the UFC should start putting on free cards, with top quality talent then you are deluded. Anderson Silva deserves PPV money, as does Jones.
Bobby Southworth
Lol, I love your trolling 8=Danago.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
ItalianStallion54 fondles himself to thougts of family members..
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Why are you calling this guy a troll?
Because he made a point that you can’t counter?
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
you new here?
Danago is a known troll account here. It is a account created by the staff for when they are bored.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I am new here
But, none of his comments in this thread are complete off-base IMO.
Are you serious about it being a troll account by the staff?
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
it's a toss up between that
and a fat chick from BC
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
what about rashad evans fighting on fox ?
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
but rashad wants ppv money
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Your name is misleading
Ed Soares makes way more of a contribution that you do.
Are you really so dense that you think UFC streams only come from places where it is provided free? I know people that used to stream PPV boxing events from their house.
I’m so sorry you went to such a bad school when you were a kid.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Name one UFC stream that idn't come from the UK.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
If I don't name one, does that mean you've proved it doesn't exist?
Or couldn’t exist in the future? You’re solution doesn’t even pass the straight face test.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
ed is right alot of the streams do say espnuk
same with boxing
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doesnt mean anything
Ever notice how often airlines change their security protocols? People adapt and change tactics.
It’s naive to think that banning the current streams is how to address the problem long term.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t like it, then get out of my sport. You’re clearly a WWE fan anyway, that’s on free every week for you.
Bobby Southworth
This is coming from an idiot that talked shit on football yesterday
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I shell out money to watch fights, and for what? I do it for the sport, for the fighters. I don’t want some kid sitting behind his computer illegally watching the fight for free. I shell out money and help these fighters, unlike you. I pay their bills while you do your best to kill the sport, and the UFC. Stop being cheap and man up, stealing events/anything ILLEGAL.
Bobby Southworth
the people that stream the shit wouldn't pay for it anyways
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
In the long run they would. That doesn’t make it OK, you don’t want to pay to watch your favorite fighters put on a show for you? You don’t want to do that? It’s illegal, SOPA support STAND UP.
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Its doesn't make it ok it makes me not give a fuck
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
You are totally not understand what I wrote, and that's okay, beacuse I know you are a dumbass. We are here for you 8=Danago
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Danielle
where in England makes you pay for the fights?
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Thought the same thing
Just go along with the lie
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
you tell me
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to think 8=Danago and this italianstallion troll are the same person.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Stallion is an overweight chick from Canada, but hey
you never know
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
someone explain to me the free ufc fights in other countries
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
We are the only people that pay for the UFC.
The UK, Brazil, ect ect all get it for free on various channels.
That’s why every stream has ESPN UK in the corner.
If you make those people buy the PPV instead of giving it to them for free, it will end online streams of UFC events.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Even you shouldnt waste your time with him
One can't be Catholic, and a grown up
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It ain't 59.99 and I know it isn't the only thing that comes on ESPN UK.
You two trolls really are amazong.
Especially you 8=Danago. I am glad you found someone else to play with.
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Kalejohncox is the spawn of a drunk father, and of a cum-theiving whore mother.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
danago is too fuckin foreign to make any sense
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
they are here , retard
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It's still 59.99 lol.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
on my provider (Verizon)
SD is 45.99, HD is 59.99
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I have cox, and hd is 59.99 also
I have no idea what 8=Danago is getting at, but then again, nobody does.
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ItalianStallion54 fondles himself to thougts of family members..
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
SD is 45.99, which is cheaper than HD. Learn to read kid, that’s like £20, NOTHING.
Bobby Southworth
not for me
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ihavelove coxcks
fixed
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That was too easy so i left it alone
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
dude, would you pay for fights that start at 3am??
the fact that we don’t need to pay PPV money in the UK isnt even an issue should never be.
"I always said a team who drinks together, wins together." - Richard Gough
One does not simply troll a troll
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
And you just destroyed any credibility anyody else had by supporting it.
8=Danago has killed another thread people.
Let’s move on.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
danago is a putrid troll
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
accidentally posted this on the other thread about this topic
I don’t like to get to political here, there is a time and a place for that and Mania isn’t it
at least for me. I have no problem with what Lorenzo has written above, it is well within his rights as a business owner to aggressively defend his companies intellectually properties, including video, fighter likenesses, etc. However, it is my belief that smaller government is better for the people, and the government should not be fighting for the monetary gains of corporate America. If Zuffa, or any other company that supports SOPA or PIPA would like their "property" protected, then it is the responsibility of those companies to police these issues themselves, and in turn, maybe that could mean sub more jobs in the IT sector. I leave you with the only PIPA that should be seen on the net.
and no I am not the owner of the photo.

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Is that the Prince's old lady?
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
her sister
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
widely hailed in the uk as having one of th nicest ass's
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
you're gonna need a better pic for that to compete with the ass posted dailey on mania.
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Why are they crediting middle easy ?
Middle easy had the letter up by ultimately
pasted it from a link I got on Ironforgesiron.com
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions
*but i
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Man this is fuked up
Heres how i look at it.. ufc should just let the world roll the way that it does.. now you do get scum bags who stream everything all the time but whats that % against the buyrates?? fuck it there making money the greedy fucks !! ( it keeps keeps them up at night lol.. they can retire on an island now ) i would say i buy 7 out of every 10 shows due to the fact my ass would bleed…….>>>………… it’s people who support SOPA that equals = GREED !
even with sopa there will be people finding ways to stream shit
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
As far as the UFC goes or any other PPV the regulations will make it hard for anyone in the US to have these streams
But I can see many non north american sites becoming more popular because regardless if this goes through or not the law will not allow the americans to police streaming beyond the US borders….of coarse there may be fines if they can go as far as catching those watching the streams in the US.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
So long SOPA thread
otherdarkmeat, italianstallion54, and 8=Danago have beaten me.

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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions
is otherdarkmeat a nickname for how obsessed stinky is with the darkside, because we denied his app, with glitter to make sure he understood.
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
i still dont know why you sent me that.
goat fucker.
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I still can't believed you opened it.
I thought the whole glitter/fag thing was a myth, I mean i’ve fucked a chick every other new years with glitter all over her, but nope, there you are proving it to be true. Either way, there was no easy way to let you down, never is.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
New World Order
The gov’t already has the power to detain you without trial, indefinitely, for a crime you have not commited YET, but MAY commit in the future (see bill 1876)
Now they want to have a kill switch for the Interwebs.
Good times ahead indeed.
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
fucccccccccckc
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions

I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I always aspired to have me a money bin when i was a child
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
i havnt thought about that cartoon in so long. lol good stuff
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
SOPA
Is like having a metric ton of ants marching through your yard via one thousand different trails and you decide to try and stop them by stomping through the trails with you boot. Afterwards you decide to make lemonaide using anti-freeze and toilet water. Then you decide to have sex with your wife and realize after all these years it’s not your wife but some dude named Jimmy that’s been taking it from you. Then you realize you don’t live in a house but a cardboard box. But the cardboard box is really just a cave made of mashed potatoes and windshield wipers.
Point is SOPA won’t do anything to prevent piracy. It’s not rocket science to understand that if you are in the business of entertainment – movies, television, music, live events, books, magazines, software, basically anything that can be made in to an electronic copy, that part of doing business today is knowing that piracy will be a variable to consider when you are talking about profit. You have to know that a certain percentage of people who view your product will be doing so via illegal methods that they do not pay a dime for. It’s not right, but it’s fact. It’s just doing business in today’s market.
There is a solution that does not involve rampant oversight and foreboding laws that frighten the innocent. PUT OUT A QUALITY PRODUCT. When you have a quality product, a broader audience will buy in to it.
Say the pirated view percentage is 15% (I have no idea, just saying). Let’s also say you have no control over the percentage. It is an independent variable that will never go plus or minus more than a few percentage points. If your audience is 1,000,000 then 150,000 would be your number of pirated views. So you only are making money on 850k.
Let’s expand our market and get 10,000,000 viewers. Now 1,500,000 are pirated but you have made money on 8,500,000 purchases. Does not take a math major to figure out that 8,500,000 is better than 850,000.
Now, is it more important to try and stop those 150,000 or try to gain that 7,650,000? You don’t even have to use 10x as the multiplier, just double your market to 2,000,000 viewers and you’ve doubled your income. Are you making more money stopping the 15% or by increasing the amount of your 85%?
I can’t be the only person who has this line of thought. Their are people who make a shit ton of money to figure out ways to increase profit for companies. I’m just a poor ol’ Chinese boy, no way I’m the smartest POS on the planet right now.
that's pretty much what we all have been saying
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
Didn’t bother to read through all the replies. Power was out up here in the Pacific Northwest for five days. Trying to read articles AND replies is asking too much of any man. Good to hear I’m at least on track with the rest of the party.
by LowBudgetJeff on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
haha me too bro , I live in monroe Wa my power just flickered but I was stuck at home
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