Mark Ratner: Erick Silva DQ loss at UFC 142 will not be overturned
by Jesse Holland on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 AM EST
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Erick Silva, UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones feels your pain.
Much like "Bones," who was disqualified for illegal elbows in his 2009 finish over Matt Hamill, the young Brazilian phenom will also be forced to accept the unfortunate outcome of his UFC 142 bout against Carlo Prater last Saturday night (Jan. 14) at the HSBC Arena in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
MMAmania's own Brian Hemminger with the live play-by-play:
Round one: Both men stare each other down early and Erick Silva EXPLODES forward with a knee. Prater goes down and Silva follows up with more big strikes as Prater hangs onto a leg. Silva follows up with huge hammer fists to the side of the head and Prater goes limp.
Following the stoppage, referee Mario Yamasaki awarded Prater the win by disqualification, citing repeated blows to the back of "Neo's" head, despite warning Silva to keep 'em clean.
The instant replay may have shown otherwise.
Regardless, the Silva camp had mounted a campaign to get the call reversed. Unfortunately for them, UFC Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner told Sherdog.com that receipt or no receipt, all sales are final.
Check it out.
"Based on the referee's verbal warnings and his determination that the blows were intentional and a disqualifying foul, this is not the type of decision that can be reviewed. Therefore the decision stands. Recently, Zuffa has decided to implement the use of instant replay at all international events that are self-regulated and to encourage all regulators to consider the feasibility and effectiveness of instant replay in the sport of MMA. While instant replay would not have reversed the call in the Silva-Prater bout, we believe that it could be valuable to referees and the sport in the future."
UFC color commentator Joe Rogan, who was amidst the post-fight confusion waiting for his opportunity to interview "Indio," confronted Yamasaki on live television and asked him to explain his decision against the big screen replay, which appeared to exonerate Silva from excessive fouls.
The longtime referee explained that in the heat of the moment, he made the best decision he could. And that's s decsion that right or wrong, is going to stay with Erick Silva for the rest of his career.
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really?
That 2nd to last shot didnt hit him right in the back of the head?
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It doesn't matter if it was accidental or not
one shot or not..
If the strike leaves the opponent unable to continue you only have two choices, DQ or NC. Just like if a fighter is accidentally kicked in the groin. Why is this seen any different?
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
Because he was dazed and hurt BEFORE that graze to the back of the head. It did not have a direct effect. His loss was an accumulation of shots. Period.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
tell that to jon jones
and matt hamill
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
2 different fights - 2 different scenarios. Your comparison is invalid IMO. I understand your POV but the evidence contradicts you.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
different?
both fighters were winning handily, both fighters landed illegal shots, both fighters loss because of it….
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
No, no. See TKO's post below for clarification. He summed it up very nicely.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
You're missing the point completely.
See my other post mate.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
point is.
this call and even the call in the Lesnar vs Mir I fight was completely wrong. all these dudes were out of the fight and wanted out, once you turn on your back like that (and invite shots to the back of the head) the fight is over. the only thing the ref needs to do right there is recognize it and stop the fight in time before any significant damage is done. the DQ goes to Yamasaki, and Maz for fucking up the Jones fight and the Lesnar.
Tito Ortiz = God !
Well yeah there needs to be a line drawn
What Jones did was illegal and deliberate which is a DQ however yes those fights should have been stopped much before.
Lesnar is a tricky one though.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
sure it's tough on the ref.
but defending yourself intelligently is also a rule. turning around like a girl when fists are flying deserves an almost immediate stoppage and it shows a completely fucking embarrassing fighter instinct.
Tito Ortiz = God !
He had a single, fuck-o
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
And if that's really that different
then what about the Charles Oliveria and Nik Lentz fight. Oliveria was awarded the win and then got it taken away. he didn’t land multiple illegal shots
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
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Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
He landed a huge illegal and
Deliberate shot.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
I understand your overall point. However, in this specific case, the DQ was given out too quickly and under the wrong set of circumstances, IMO. I do agree that judging and ref'ing need to be more consistent.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
That's the thing.
It wasn’t that shot that left him unable to continue. It was the other 57 bombs that he landed on his skull.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Great minds.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
see above post
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
Completely different.
Multiple deliberate and clearly illegal elbows were thrown by Jones.
vs
One measly punch hits the guy unintentionally and causes next to no added damage.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Jones threw two illegal elbows in total
Silva threw at least two illegal shots to the back of the head, one hammerfist and one full punch.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
And before he even resorted to those elbows
he looked up to the ref like wtf else do you want me to do before you’re gonna stop this? I’m sure he didn’t think(or remember) those elbows were illegal
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
Yeah, the fight should have been stopped earlier
Hamill was done. He was taking it like a hillbilly
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
The fight should have been stopped earlier
but Jones DQ’d himself.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
And those elbows didn't leave Hamill unable to continue
His shoulder had already been dislocated
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
They were clearly deliberate though and they did hurt him badly.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
The other fighter was never given a chance to recover. Never asked if he could continue. And if one shot to back of the head towards the end when opponents are flopping around, 40% of all fights in MMA would end in DQ.
wtf
he damn near went completely out. it wasn’t even a question that needed to be ask.
I like Silva but i’m not gonna act like the call was just completely out of line
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
why defend illegal strikes?
It was an unfortunate ending for everyone still a foul
not a foul that deserved a DQ
maybe a point loss but the fight was over by then
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
it the shots weren’t fight ending it could have been a point deduction. Even looking at the slow mo reply it’s hard to tell if every one of those punches was to the back of the head or not. What joe rogan said to this ref was completely out of line.
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by In Rainbows on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
You obviously didn't watch Jon Jones against Matt Hamill
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
It was the right call
The video confirmed it, the replay confirmed it, the athletic commission confirmed it. What more do you want?
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
The replay confirmed that Bang has the fastest KO
That doesn’t mean that the commission agreed on it. Frankly i don’t give a shit what the commission thinks.
There needs to be something done in the rules, it’s a disgrace in general.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Good
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Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
Yamasaki might have just taken Maz's spot.
Watch the video with Paul Harris, he gives him a hard time for no reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pgGkmSIjEgM
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
i don't know what was being said
So, I can’t vouch for either Mario nor Palharres there.
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I heard in a translation that
he was telling him off for the pat after the fight. I could be wrong but that’s what someone said they understood of the Portuguese.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
really?
That’s interesting. Palharres looked dejected and almost saddened by whatever he said to him, that’s for sure.
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My wife said he was warning Palhares that he was lucky he didn't disqualify him
And said that he must listen to him in the future. Something like that.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Feel sorry for Silva
bullshit decision
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
4 clear shots to the back of the head.
Clear as day. You can’t just go hitting your opponent with power shot/s to the back of the head and expect not to be punished.
Bobby Southworth
There was ONE clearr shot to the back of the head.
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Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
One shot only
and it was a grazing shot that did not affect the course of the fight.
He had already landed about 100 punches legally, he dropped the guy with legal punches and the fight could have been stopped before the illegal blow.
It was a shit call by Mario. Get over it.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
He hit him with 1 clean shot then, no excuses. The ref clearly warned him before too, and he still proceeded to hit him with shots to the back of the head, instead of changing position. You can’t complain about the punishment once you commit the offense, period. Keep your shots clean or GTFO, cry baby.
Bobby Southworth
He did correct himself.
He hit the side of the head. Mario was just being a sook. Terrible decision. Since this was a DQ there are about 20 other fights off the top of my head that should also be overturned.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
Vitors fights against Franklin and Akiyama
both should be losses for Vitor in that case, consistency sucks with these refs and the commission
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
yep, vitor literally owns the title
For illegal shots to the back of the head. But nobody dares talk about that on the air (Rogan, Dana, NSAC, referees, fucking anybody).
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
The loss will always have a asterisk next to it
Like silva vs okami 1 and jones vs hamill..I’m sure its frustrating to silva but he has to be happy that the UFC is not treating it like a loss
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by letter19 on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
there's nothing fishy about silva's dq against okami
even tried to hit him after he was dq, what kind of bullshit is that?
pride never die.
only people who suffered from this...are the people who picked Silva rd 1 tko in pool....
…in other words….me!
actually no
mario’s bjj schools and even his standing in the ufc will suffer due to the fuck up in joe rogan’s part. Thank to his “honesty” he put a man on the spot, a man who makes a living out of teaching the ins of mma, that to me is true bullshit around here.
rogan should be fired
pride never die.
He didn't put him on the spot.
You have to realize that Mario stayed in the octagon to explain why he DQ’d him. Rogan could have handled it more professionally but if Mario didn’t want to be interviewed he could have just left the octagon… just like Maz did when the commentator said “Lets get the referee in here when i’m done with the fighter to explain.” This was during the fishy Ronda Rousey fight tap.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
There was nothing fishy about the Ronda Rousey tap.
“I didn’t say tap, I said…Ahhhhhh.”-Bitch who tapped like all the rest.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well yeah at the time it was fishy.
Now we know it isn’t.
However my point being is that it was a similar situation, a heated atmosphere and Maz handled it differently. I’m sure you get me..
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
I get that Maz ran out of the Octagon like a pussy. That should be expected from the most corrupt ref in the business.
I actually like that Mario stayed in the ring and tried to defend himself, however, the constant second guessing by Rogan is where I take issue.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well yeah.
Rogan was unprofessional and should have just let it go after Mario explained.
Who the hell knows though he was probably as high as giraffe poon.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
you're right about that, so is newfie
mario didn’t have to answer when he was asked, he fucked up too
pride never die.
Putting someone on the spot:
“To cause someone difficulty or make them embarrassed by forcing them at that moment to make a difficult decision or answer an embarrassing question.”
The fighters are paid to do interviews. The refs don’t have a contractual obligation to do so.
The English language disagrees with you. Even if the ref decided to answer the questions, he was put on the spot.
by Wonderjudas on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Mario should have declined. It was his own fault for being in that situation - in more ways than one.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Exactly.
The refs don’t have a contractual obligation to do so
So he didn’t need to stay in the octagon. He could have left. He chose to stay.
Rogan could have handled the interview better but he didn’t force Mario to speak.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
You'll get no disagreement from me here.
Of all the stupid decisions Mario might have made on that night, going for an interview right then and there (against an irate Rogan) was the stupidest one.
by Wonderjudas on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know that he should be fired
But he should definitely be punished. Rogan created this, as the replay he watched clearly showed that the back of the head was punched and he said otherwise.
by Wonderjudas on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
+100
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by In Rainbows on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Rogan's
Sanctimonious attack on Mario Yamasaki in the cage after the fight was the real foul of the night…
Joe Rogan should stick to mediocre comedy and hyperbolic fight analysis….
His podcasts are rather good though….
That is all. Carry on.
Joe Rogan should stick to mediocre comedy, nonsense hippie talk and hyperbolic fight analysis
Bobby Southworth
well, he does succeds at mediocre
but he should retire from fight analysis. Bring on florian! and get rid of Goldberg or pair him with Mauro & the american psycho for the lulz.
Florian + Pat = great broadcast
pride never die.
florian is boring as fuck
his commentrary at UFC Rio the first time was soooooooooo boring id prefer Pat
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was Rio anyway correct me if im wrong
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
yeah it was rio
he did a great job during the prelims but i don’t know how that worked out for the main card, though. I had to switch to the tv.
at least i think we can all agree pat would be a very welcomed addition to the ufc broadcast team though, right?
pride never die.
oh definitely Pats probably the best play by play guy in my opinion
he knows his shit and I love how he always corrects Shamrock
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Pat Miletich is by far the best MMA commentator. Composed at all times and provides great analysis throughout. No BS screaming every time someone gets hit. ’He’s hurt Mike’.
No BS calls, ‘Bonnar is one of the most technical Muay Thai Artists in the LHW division.’ GTFO of here. Rogan would be good if he calmed down a little, or at least stopped that scream whenever someone lands a strike. He needs to take second seat.
Bobby Southworth
Well, you liking Miletich has killed all credibility Miletich ever had.
Congrats.
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Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
dunno if you're serious about the stephanie bonner thing
the only few times you see pat overexcited is when one of his former training partners fights and even then he tries to keep it to a minimum
pride never die.
danago is like a box of chocolates...
retarded! you never know which one you’re going to get
pride never die.
what nonsense hippie talk is my question?
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Why shouldn't it be?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah.
Not one person in the history of the world has died from smoking marijuana.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't see the problem - and I don't smoke weed. I am going to assume that when corporations and the gov't find an easy way to make money off weed then it will be available just as much as booze and cigs.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
That's what I wondered about. I am sure you are right.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
No deaths
But man i used to have some really smart friends that got hooked on it. They didn’t become dumber or anything but man were they constantly lethargic… all they did was party party party. One dropped out of uni, the other became a loser.
Weed is not for everyone.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
correct, not for everyone
but, my guess is those asshole would still have become assholes without the weed.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
They wanted a way out of hard work
and weed was the perfect way out.
Get smashed every 3rd day. Weed every 2nd day. Mum and dad buying you a brand new Jeep.. etc etc..
Who would want to earn a living. Reality hits you hard i’m guessing when you get a bit older and realize that you wasted your time.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
easy excuses for them. But again, my argument is that even without the weed, they would still be where they are at.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Sort of
It led them on a path that no other readily available item could.
Once any drug gets a hold of you it’s hard to turn back man. Hell even painkillers can mess you up.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
no dude, they led themselves down that path.
I know all about painkillers brother, they are far fucking worse. FAR FAR FAR fucking worse. Anything done without consideration to moderation is going to cause problems for a person.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
exactly
but my point being that people use drugs such as weed thinking they’re all awesome and hard and whatever else and they don’t know what it’ll do to them.
They did it to themselves but it was preventable had someone told them that weed can be shitty and it’s not all roses.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
you keep going back to that man.
It wasn’t the weed that fucked up your lazy, no good friends. They were lazy and no good prior and the weed just made it easier for them to be no-good cunts as it offered them an excuse to be a no-good cunt.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
That's the thing
they were hard working blokes who maintained good jobs and did well at uni.
But yeah i mentioned that earlier when i said that it made it easier for them to get out of work.
It’s a tricky convo to have lol
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
I know at least 20 people who have died from it. I’m not prepared to get into an argument with some ‘know it all’ scrawny teen about it though. You are at that stage right now kid, you will grow out of it eventually, hopefully.
Bobby Southworth
doubt that highly
it’s not the weed that kills you.
Weed makes you comfortable with drugs since it’s relatively harmless and that can lead people on a darker route to other drugs.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
8=Danago is a special kind of troll.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Its all relative to the personality involved. Alcohol and cancer deaths run laps around weed related deaths - of this I am sure, Dan.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
you are fucking retarded, 20 people dying from herb? Impossible, you can’t unheard or smoke enough to od.
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
i think you have weed confused with PCP
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
i don't personally know people that died from alcohol either
drunk driving? yeah. Any substance that can be abused is bad, including alcohol. That doesn’t mean weed should be legal just because other substances are too
pride never die.
Look up ONE case of someone who died from just smoking marijuana.
You don’t have to personally know them you dumb fuck.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I actually know people who have died from the drug so could you show some respect, and maybe not trash the dead like that?
Bobby Southworth
sweet!
I will have some new emails in my inbox. I may send you a warning for flagging me though. Careful son.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
all's fair in flag wars. except butt sex, thats never fair
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
vhw 3:16 says
i just flagged your ass!
pride never die.
Fuck those made up friends.
Here’s something that can actually happen though.
I hope your mother develops a serious form of cancer that progresses very fast. I hope after all of the chemo, she is in horible pain.
I hope that her doctor prescribes her marijuana, and finds out it is the only thing that eases her pain.
I hope the federal government comes in and takes her marijuana away from her, and throws her in jail.
I think you can see where this story ends.
Flag me puss. puss.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
seriously man, saying you hope someones mom gets cancer just to prove that weed does good is beyond fucked up.
i’ve noticed you being a douche a lot, but this is low even for your scummy ass
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
It’s disgusting, but to be expected from someone who smokes weed. I don’t blame him, he’s under the influence. He’ll wake up with a hangover in the morning and regret posting.
Bobby Southworth
i agree, waking up baked fucking blows
especially when you have things that need doing, and all you can do is laugh at your toes for being so small.
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
and people just calmly drinking alcohol are going to die spontaneously?
they’d have to be allergic or something
pride never die.
liver disease and a whole array of problems do result very often with people who drink.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
lung cancer to those who smoke?
pride never die.
There are ZERO cancer forming products in marijuana.
Yu really are making yourself out to be a stupid cunt un this argument.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
people seem to be very passionate about their weed
so this is how i look when i go into fedor mark mode? awesome!
pride never die.
I just believe in personal freedom and it is a huge contradiction to have such a fucking rampant legal drug industry with shit on the market that causes anal bleeding, migraines, ball shrinkage all to increase penis size and lastability then you have alcohol, tobacco, percs, vicodin and a whole array of shit that does really fucked up shit to you and is highly, highly addictive….pumping kids full of adderall and god knows what else….then…having the balls to try to pawn off some half baked “war on drugs” and crimilizing something that, yes, can cause problems (any substance be it water, sugar, coffee…all have dangers)…..it is just too much of a fucking farce for me. It makes us angry. Look at all the facts…. It is bullshit.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
i know is bullshit, man
both shits are harmful as fuck and yet i get to drink a beer whenever i feel like it without going to jail (unless i drunk drive).
i’d get deffensive if they took alcohol away from me, too (and i don’t even abuse it anymore)
pride never die.
Am i the only one who found this funny?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=danago
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe how bad we let 8=Danago troll us.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
WAIT THE FUCK UP!?
WHAT!? HOW THE FUCK DID I MISS THIS!? WHAT THE FUCK!?
a fucking rampant legal drug industry with shit on the market that causes anal bleeding, migraines, ball shrinkage all to increase penis size and lastability
are you talking about sildefanil (viagra) ‘cause if that’s the case, I’m never, EVER touching that shit again.
anal bleeding, WTF!?
pride never die.
they have a cream for it though
so its all good. But said cream will cause your hair to fall out, your toe nails to die and your cock to smell of sewers and dirty assholes.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
holy fuck, that's it
the future wife will be very disappointed but i can’t afford losing any more hair or a smelly cock
pride never die.
No he is not.
He is sarcastically asking if smoking causes cancer, which we all know it does, but he does not want to seperate smoking marijuana from smoking tobacco.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
not, it's actually a serious question
can you present facts on not getting lung cancer from smoking pot?
again, evidence not associated to 4-20 sites
pride never die.
there are different sides to the story. There are no documented cases of anyone getting lung cancer from marijuana use. It just cannot be proven. The official answer from the government is smoke is bad for you, weed “probably” causes cancer, but again, no hard evidence. Scientists on the other side say no, it doesn’t. It has different characteristics. But come on, obviously, smoke is bad for you…but, you can make butter out of it and eat it….so that throws that out the window….there are safer delivery methods.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
It messes with your brain chemistry kid, you can’t deny that. It’s a dangerous drug for many.
Bobby Southworth
i've been curious about it (as i've stated before)
i was thinking about the brownies but can’t bring myself to actually try it. I’m dumb enough as it is and i’m afraid of getting addicted to the stuff
pride never die.
You are aware that Weed messes with your brain chemistry, right? Are you aware of all the possibly dangers which come with that, you leave yourself open.
Bobby Southworth
Thanks doctor.
I am sure you are going to provide us with all of these facts and statistics ver soon.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Calmly drinking alcohol makes it less damaging to yoyr liver? Holy shit!
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
and you think pot is a walk in the park for your system?
i seriously doubt it but if you can present me evidence (not posted in a “4-20” site) then i might consider your stance on “not being harmful”.
both shits are harmful, one is legal and one isn’t. That’s life for you
pride never die.
Harmful to your system? In what ways? I know one guy who runs marathons, competes in a very physical sport, and is fighting for a title soon.. All while smoking marijuana.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
you mean the guy who actually lost a title shot against the true champion for being a dumbass?
the guy who started a fight in a hospital? the guy started a fight in the cage after the interviews? twice! the guy can’t afford a house in one of the shittiest cities in america?
really? that’s your flagship for “not harmful”?
i know nick also has a different mentality but you can’t deny he’s seriously retarded
pride never die.
I smoked weed for years
Never affected me in any negative way. I have full cognitive function, no side effects. It was a great sleeping aid.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
personal freedom man
You don’t need to know someone who has or hasn’t died. The statistics are all tracked for us.
And kudos to the mania staffers for stirring the pot on a relatively slow morning at mania.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
It might not directly kill you, but it definitely messes with your brain chemistry which causes problems.
Bobby Southworth
getting punched in the face is far, far worse for your health bud. And according to you, you do a lot of that. So again, your argument is invalid.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
uh, no
You have shown no statistics, you have linked to no sources, you have shown nothing but made up shit about your supposed “friends”.
Again, fuck your friends danny. Fuck em right in the ass.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Real life, kid. Real life stuff, I’ve witnessed kids lose their life because of the drug. You can’t tell me nothing, Joe Rogan can’t tell me nothing. I have facts and I hang around with female docs on a regular basis, they tell me all I need to know when it comes down to weed.
There’s a reason it’s illegal and Alcohol isn’t, that’s because it’s more dangerous. Put two and two together, it’s commonsense.
Bobby Southworth
your gyn/obs really aren't the kind of doctor you should be asking about pot, danny
I hang around with female docs on a regular basis, they tell me all I need to know when it comes down to weed.
pride never die.
To bad these female doctors are not real. And even if they were, they would not be actual mds, cause retards can’t be doctors
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
That image is funny.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
If you know someone that died from marijuana, give me a name and a newspaper article saying they died of an marijuana overdose. Dumb fuck, it never happened.
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll role you up and smoke you myself kid, 125lbs, 5 ft nerd. Smoke your blunt around me kid.
Bobby Southworth
Smoke my cock you faggot. And nice to know you have zero clue what I look like.
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Dan is on point today. I am actually laughing at his trolling.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Learn to take a punch kid, your jaw is GLASS. I will demolish your jaw, all that weed smoking has severely weakened it.
Bobby Southworth
Now that was just sad
I expect better from trolls
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
all that weed smoking has severely weakened it.
These are the facts I was looking for Danny. Good job, finally finding real evidence. Keep it up.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 20, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
In Canada, weed is like beer
It’s illegal but the majority of people see it as harmless and want it legalized
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Lot's of shit is bad for you
Sticking your dick in a vagina can be bad for you.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Mario Yamasaki wasn't even the worst referee at UFC 142
Mirgilotta should get some of belfort’s bonus money..
"How much more success can I obtain? If the sky is the limit then I'm living amongst the clouds"-letter19
by letter19 on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
fuck yes
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
that was a BS call but ahwell hopefully UFC will match him with someone in top 20 or 15
Get the bones treatment and just carry on as if it never happened
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by Thorpey on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
When a ref determines a fights outcome
he is inept. when it has with regularity, he is dirty. Mario and Steve are both dirty refs. These refs are putting wrongful loses in what should be a fighters win column, they are controlling a fighters career more than the fighters……
key difference
Jones 12 to 6 elbow is a illegal strike. Hammerfists when going for the kill when the other dude is rolling around, shit happens, I saw maybe one accidental, certainly not intentional, strike to the back of the head, I think its a bullshit decision. Also I thought Joe Rogan calling Mario out on it was awesome and just. At the same time however, refs have to make that call in the moment, if it happens to be the wrong one, which is rare, again, shit happens.
by Hans Sprungfeld on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions
I'd like to agree with you
But what’s illegal is illegal. Both of these instances involve moves wich can be quite dangerous to fighters’ health.
I agree with the sentiment, however, that the result just doesn’t feel right.
by Wonderjudas on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
One shot to the back of the head, multiple shots to the back of the head, it doesnt matter.
Get in the ring, and watch that at full speed like the ref and see how many you can clearly see are illegal or not. We all have the luxury of instant slow-mo replay. The ref doesn’t (didn’t if what I hear is correct about the rule change). We can all talk about how clear it was, but we aren’t in his shoes.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rogan should mind his own business
He has no authority to question the ref’s call, right or wrong, on national TV. His intentions were obviously confrontational and disqusting. Joe, you are JUST a comentator, not a judge and jury.
settle down mate
Rogan probably blazed one up before he started the night. He seemed a bit jumpy.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
+1
Song of the week:: Nikki Yanofsky - take the A train http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VGrCm2WzqA ({the song}amazing)
by In Rainbows on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
How does this effect the Money Pool?
I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
playground always does their own thing
I don’t think any points were awarded at all for that fight.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Yamasaki's definition of Back of the Head
Based on Mario’s definition of “Back of the head,” I could see how, at speed, he considered Silva’s punches to be illegal. Controversial call, but I don’t think it’s a terrible one.
Did anyone not see what Belfort has been
Doing his whole career? Fuck this DQ. Vitor deserves 5 + DQ’s if this bullshit can qualify.
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