Ultimate Submissions: The fearless grappling of UFC on FX headliner Jim MIller
Photo via UFC.com.
Since his addition to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) roster back in October of 2008, Jim Miller has earned himself an impressive nine wins, including three by submission, with only two losses. His two defeats came by decision to Gray Maynard and Ben Henderson. One is a former two-time title challenger, the other is the current number one contender.
Oh, and by the way, the only other loss on his record is to some guy named Frankie Edgar.
With Miller facing off against Melvin Guillard this Friday night (Jan. 20, 2012) in the main event of UFC on FX, for what may be the next number one contender spot, I wanted to break down the most potent weapon for his attack against "The Young Assassin."
The submission.
We'll start with his brilliant kneebar finish at UFC 124, one that derailed a talented young up-and-comer and established Miller as one of the most dangerous opponents in the world at 155-pounds.
As Miller approached his Dec. 2010 bout against Charles Oliveira, the hype train was moving full steam ahead with "Do Bronx" as its VIP passenger, and for good reason. The young Brazilian had displayed a very dangerous submission game, along with some very technical striking in his previous UFC performances. In an interview leading up to the fight, Charles had even stated he didn't think Miller would be able to compete with him at all when it came to the grappling game.
Miller proved otherwise.
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In the clip below, Miller is fearless in going to the ground with Oliveira, as he shoots right in for the double leg takedown. Charles attacks immediately, sliding his right arm under the neck of Miller, threatening Jim with a guillotine choke. Miller recognizes this, and switches his double leg takedown to a single leg takedown. Jim switching to the single leg is step one in avoiding the guillotine of "Do Bronx." Once executed, a double leg takedown has a much higher probability of landing you in your opponent's guard than a single leg does. And if you land in your opponent's guard when he has a guillotine locked up, you are most likely seconds away from tapping.
Miller switching to the single leg takedown means he is more likely to land in Oliveira's half guard (which he does, as shown in the .gif) instead of his full guard. Defending the guillotine is easier when you are only stuck in half guard. Once Miller gets Oliveira on his back, Miller immediately passes his legs to the side of Oliveira's body which is opposite the side Charles has the choke locked up on, ending up in "cross-side" position. Miller is now safe from the choke, as it is next to impossible for "Do Bronx" to create the necessary torque to finish the submission when Jim is in cross-side.
The above clip starts with further evidence that Miller is confident in his ground skills, demonstrated by the way he willingly dives into the guard of Oliveira, who retaliates by immediately using his dangerous jiu-jitsu game to attack the left leg of Miller. Charles tries to wrap both of his legs around Miller's leg, which would be the beginning of a leg lock.
Miller, knowing his leg is in danger, wisely keeps his left arm inside the guard of Oliveira, which prevents "Do Bronx" from completely isolating and attacking his leg. As Oliveira adjusts his guard, Miller does two things at once, lightning fast: He spins to his right, pulling his left leg far enough out of Oliveira's guard to be safe from the kneebar, while at the same time grabbing on to Oliveira's left leg with both his arms and holding it tight to his chest.
Miller then drops down to the mat, sliding his hips down Oliveira's leg bringing his opponent's knee past his own hips. Now, "Do Bronx" is in trouble. Jim keeps Charles' leg tight to his chest, squeezes his knees together, and drives his hips forward, putting very intense pressure on the knee joint of Oliveira. This forces the tap from Charles, and chalks up a very impressive win for Miller.
Just three months after his victory over Oliveira at UFC 124, Miller would face another ground specialist. This time an excellent wrestler in Kamal Shalorus at UFC 128. While Miller would end up finishing Shalorus via technical knockout (via strikes) in the third round, he still found time to display some very slick jiu-jitsu.
In the clip above, Miller changes levels, avoiding the strikes of Shalorus, and latches on to Kamal's lead leg. Miller successfully executes the single-leg take down, and Kamal immediately tries to buck Miller. Jim uses this opportunity to "surf" Shalorus. He goes with the flow, maintaining his top position and letting Kamal move around underneath him, almost like a surfer riding a wave. The concept seems simple, but Miller shows the true experience and composure of a high level jiu-jitsu practitioner by letting Shalorus tighten his own noose.
Taking advantage of Kamal's failed buck-and-roll attempt, Miller immediately lands on Shalorus's back, slides his legs inside Kamal's thighs. This is called "setting the hooks." At the same time he sets his hooks, Miller wraps his left arm around Kamal's neck, and slides his right arm under Kamal's right arm, threatening him with a choke.
This position has Kamal in a lot of trouble. Miller can finish the fight here with a rear-naked choke. Instead of just settling for that position, Jim decides to take things one step further. Wrapping his right leg around the stomach of Kamal Shalorus, he hooks his right foot under his left knee and squeezes, thus locking in the "body triangle." This makes it very difficult for Kamal to breathe, and is very painful on his back and spine.
While Miller did not finish Shalorus from this position, he certainly showed Kamal that spending time on the ground with him would be a very risky move to make. Anyone unlucky enough to find themselves on the mat with Jim Miller had better be prepared to deal with a competitor who is willing and able to finish the fight at any moment.
Are you listening, Melvin Guillard?
For more on their main event match-up click here.
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its an epidemic
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
Man, this was good. I missed these. Thanks, AK.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Lol don't open that can of worms again
Good stuff AK very good read, ANS has taught you well.
Melvins screwed.
Money Pool Season 6 begins 30th December.
ViolentMike, DarksideDrew and Yan will all fail.
On 30th December the Pain Train shall disband.
by David W-S on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We traded you in for a
newercheaper model
How could you refuse AK paying you, eh?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Man you guys don’t miss a trick
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Theres a lot of tricks around here
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awesome work AK
it’s okay Jesse I understand the pressure of always having to work out juice up just to feel bigger around Sarah due to me being there first being so large was hard enough as it was. Then having me rear my head here at Mania every week was making it worse.
On a serious note, this will be a great fight. Have a good week and weekend Maniacs.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Jesse’s using TRT these days. He is an old man just like the rest of us.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
everyone knows mr. holland just takes his vitamins and says his prayers
he never touches that stuff, brother!
pride never die.
front to back
mr. holland reenacts his best jersey shore days, mr. mrosko looks constipated whilst tom myers looks in disgust.
pride never die.
hes just trying to keep things on an even keel.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
All kidding aside
I told my friend the other day, if this is me clean, what the fuck would I look like on the stuff?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
this
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The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
in what world
is that appealing?
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
That's a great point
I look at these guys and think “No woman is impressed by that, only other meatheads.” Which then begs the question, if you do it to impress other men…
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
wait, wait, wait
That is not a photoshop?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Lol no that's def photoshopped
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dan Mirgliotta
I already said that he was you on roids.
Money Pool Season 6 begins 30th December.
ViolentMike, DarksideDrew and Yan will all fail.
On 30th December the Pain Train shall disband.
thank you sir!
and a polite “f you” for leaving such high expectations for these things lol
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
we traded you in for a newer much better looking model.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
One step up from a turd is nothing to brag about...
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
gotta hang on to the few positives that i can ;)
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
The TD gif of Shalorus (an Olympic level wrestler) is all you need to know about the Miller/Guilalrd fight
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
I never saw that fight hope someone puts up that gif. Did Miller put Shalorus on his back?
Long live the dragon!!!
by Octagon Brilliance on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah scrolled right past it my mad i'm a dick lol
Long live the dragon!!!
by Octagon Brilliance on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent post.
I like Melvin cause he’s a Louisiana guy, but I don’t see him faring too well on Friday. Miller is too good in every phase.
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
the oliveira sequence is fun as hell
they look like they were trying a hundred subs on eachother.
i hope miller locks in something really quick, going punch for punch against guillard would be a bit silly and unnecesary
pride never die.
Miller has a great chin as well
I really see him starting out boxing Melvin and then getting a TD and RNC.
Other than power, Miller is better everywhere.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
dude ur crazy there is no way melvins is way faster on the ground and standing miller is goin to sleep early
You probably said Lauzon was going to sleep as well....

Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
the speed Melvin shows on the ground there really emphasises the point, eh?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Ya, I'm a little confused at the guy's post,
If he used periods and commas, it would be easier to understand.
Is he saying “there is no way melvin’s faster on the ground” or “there is no way, Melvin is faster on the ground”?
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
Hank_Mardukas just now found the gif of Andy dropping Chael with an elbow...bravo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I have heard that too many times whenever Melvin faces decent comp and then loses. The same thing will happen here. He will lose to Miller.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Agreed
Ever notice everyone picks on sonnen about his submission defense and would bet against him if he fights a submission artist. But, despite guillards little black book of submission losses, everyone expects him to KO all grapplers and it’s supposed to be this huge upset when he taps.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
miller is goin to sleep quick
melvins hands are twice as fast as jims he has no chance i say he goes to sleep early in the first round
Sisqo is going back to the undercards
Or retiring to do hood rat stuff with the blaczillians
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dru Hill
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
by ShivanTiger on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
you really got a problem with blacks uh?
chill man its not that serious
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guillard does look very similar to sisco(sp?)
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
by ShivanTiger on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
not you shivan I was talking to wooly
dude is always butt hurt about blacks on this forum….
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude, how dare you. All the racist remarks about black people i've seen you type.
I don’t know how you’ve got the nerve honestly …
racist remarks about blacks?
I guess must hate my own race lol and wooly’s post implied that blackzillians would do hood stuff simply because of their nickname…its pretty a myopic way to see things IMO
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am interested to hear your opinion on the nickname Blackzillians.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
You will get a lot of self entitlement phrases, cliches about "you don't know what it's like" and the usual ad hominem whenever race discussions come up.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
you were the one that used ad hominem attacks last time I checked Orlando
I didn’t use cliches nor irrelevant conclusions (that would be you actually) …but whatever rocks your boat mijo; would like to see you try your second grade insults to my face instead of behind a keyboard. Ulf I think the nick name is silly at best but I just call them by their actual name “imperial athletics”….afterall the main guy running that camp is white so the nickname isn’t even corrects.
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
correct*
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You accused people of being racist because they did not like JBJ. That was stupid on your part. I apologize if the truth hurts you. And using my name does not emphasize your point. Have at it though - as it is publicly displayed in my profile.
And save your tough guy talk for somebody you could actually take in a fight. Thanks and have a nice day.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
whatever faggot the truth ?
one could tell from the way you typed even then that you are an internet shit talker you couldn’t do shit in a fight those that can don’t talk shit online and then accuse others of using ad hominem attacks at the same time like you did shit bag so shut your trap and keep it moving….you are the same clown that throws around terms like “generalities” (can’t differentiate it from “generalizations” apparently) and act like you are presenting insightful opinions. fuck off and trust me if you were closer and tried that shit I would kick your ass till you could actually debate someone intelligently rather than pretend to do so like you do you fucking bonobo ape.
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
those types of insults can get you banned
just saying.
You have good things to say. The JBJ thread got out of hand by everyone. No need to keep dragging each other in the mud. (You too OJR)
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
i think roosevelt is pretty sensitive actually
he should avoid mania if everything he reads is going to sound disrespectful to him.
i hear bloody elbow is more on line with political correctness
pride never die.
rooseveltdunn
let me take this opportunity to say that I’m not trying to upset you, you seemed to take my joke about you in good spirit but that doesn’t mean you enjoy it. Man to man, I like you posting here so I chose something absurd like you being racist against blacks, but it’s not my goal to piss you off, create hate on this forum or anything like that. I don’t know you or know what you think is funny.
I think we all suffer from racism, my family personally was destroyed in the war because of it (figuratively speaking), so i’m not trying to press your buttons, just trying to laugh it off in my own way.
Anyway, I know I’ve contributed to these bad feelings so this is my apology, I hope you stay posting and if you want that we can have a discussion. Unlike last time, I’m in the UK and my brain gives out at like 3 in the morning.
unlike last time, I didn't mean to stir the pot and leave the room
My brain just requested sleep, Ulf and OJR cleaned up my mess by talking to you like men. I apologise to you all, that is not my style and I took notice to try not to get involved if it was that late.
its cool grapplefan I knew you were joking no hard feelings at all
I like BE but I would probably be banned there like half the people on here lol
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've had different experiences on this site but always felt welcome, I wouldn't want to make this a shitty place for anyone
I didn’t realise the conversation I was part of until I came back afterwards and I regret that.
fuck I am so unclear
This is about when it kicked off on the JBJ thread before mostly in case you don’t know (those who i’m talking to probably do know).
Sounding like a pussy 101 lol
Grapple after tonight, you won't feel welcome
Bitch
"i think jesse just internet slapped his internet girlfriend" - RickDoobs Gold
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1 Win - ItalianStallion54(Frankie over Gray)
1 Loss - GrappleFan(Lil Nog over Tito)
1 Win - ItalianStallion54(Nate over Donald)
1 Win - Unambig(Barboza over Etim)
1 PENDING - GrappleFan(Kamal over Khabib Urgamenchonovauswitz)
1 PENDING - OilCheck(Weidman over Maia)
TAKING SIG BET OFFERS ON CONDIT, KOSCHECK, POIREIR, RENAN.
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by Cruz Jackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for proving my point, roosevelt. Don't worry. I won't bother you again with my posts. That's a promise.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
your point? lol you are delusional but yes please don't comment on my stuff
you are doing me a favor.
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
could you try fighting me first please???
i dont want OJR to have all the fun, youre being very selfish, rosie
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
Are we forming a line in front of El Presidente?
(jumping in front of OJR)…..
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
no
i just think it would be funny to watch somebody try to fight with two broken arms and two torn up knees lol…in all seriousness, i just think its hilarious when people try to say “oh if this was real life id kick your ass” haha, its ridiculous
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
Its the interwebs. I can kick your ass too Mikey. Totally. I don’t care who you train with. I am a fucking beast. Ask Orlando. He doesn’t want any of this either.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
ill give you 10 free shots
5 with your limbs, so you can say you hit me, and 5 of alcohol, cause the beating i give you will hurt alot less if youre drunk
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
so dude would break my arms and bust my knees? tell me more magic.lol
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, i wouldnt
because this is an internet blog and the only person that actually takes this seriously enough to fight over it is you, apparently…but could i? sure
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
you felt serious enough to reply magic wasn't worth your time or mine in my opinion I think you think I am way angrier than I actually am brah
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
it's actually not that ridicolous..If ther eis a UFC expo where both me and that clown could go to we could simply join the grappling or throwdown comps
would be a lot better than talking online plus you can see my face and gym videos on the internet too its not like I am some small sized guy that has to prove something heckif i am ever in his state we could go for a sparring session at his gym and keep it legal…it’s not that far fetched if you think about if he is any good then i would eat my words…otherwise i would make him eat his and that would be the end of it rather than incessant banter online wouldn’t you agree?
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
^ you have a point there lol
"i don't think people change, change requires re-wiring and thats a lot to go through, i think they adjust and learn a better way of dealing with themselves and others ... they don't really change, they do selfless things to conform to an extent to the expectations of the ones they want in their lives ..." -Dis Vincent
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
lol you could go at the same time...three men rolling in the cage ...perfectly normal
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
careful OJR is pretty thick roosevelt (no homo)
speaking of to your face, where were you for the unmasked threads?
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
the only pictures he has are with the klan so you couldn't see him anyway
don’t lie rooseveltdunn, that must be the code to anti black clubhouse you belonged to as a child. I’m onto you in a big way.
lol grapplefan
hey shivan I wasn’t online for that but that’s me with Anderson in the profile pic and I have a YouTube channel where I discuss mma,boxing and social issued some people from mania have had cool discussions with me on there I am a pretty open book and Orlando could be as thick as he wants I d still kick his ass i am a big guy too and I train mma so fighting big dudes is nothin new much better than shit talking online where no one fights back I think….
"Remember kids, don't forget to bring your towels...you wanna get high?"- Towlie
by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I posted to you above roosevelt, don't take my stupidness seriously
I know that i’m able to talk to you but I don’t know your humour well enough. I hope I didn’t cross the line there and I hope nobody reading takes me seriously.
I train mma so fighting big dudes is nothin new much better than shit talking online where no one fights back I think….
i here ya, but your kinda doing the same thing….just let it go, you two just have conflicting thoughts and personalities and it’s probably best if you just stayed away from each other.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
And Shivan drops the shit your mouth and get real talk on this fool
Shivan 3, opponents 0. Yup I’m keeping score. No one has yet to fuck with the Tiger since the unmask. They will forever listen.
"i think jesse just internet slapped his internet girlfriend" - RickDoobs Gold
Sig Bet Record:
1 Win - ItalianStallion54(Frankie over Gray)
1 Loss - GrappleFan(Lil Nog over Tito)
1 Win - ItalianStallion54(Nate over Donald)
1 Win - Unambig(Barboza over Etim)
1 PENDING - GrappleFan(Kamal over Khabib Urgamenchonovauswitz)
1 PENDING - OilCheck(Weidman over Maia)
TAKING SIG BET OFFERS ON CONDIT, KOSCHECK, POIREIR, RENAN.
I REFUSE TO PUBLICLY SAY I WILL PICK WERDUM SINCE I HAVE A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH THE SHIT HE TALKED ABOUT THE REEM.
by Cruz Jackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
you guys are gonna be disappointed if you ever meet me
in person at an event, and realize that I really am only 6ft tall.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
by ShivanTiger on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
if that was you in yours
you’d be alot more popular round here
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately
huh?
I beat ANS in a popularity contest to play fantasy football…
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Of course - who can beat Chocolate Silk?
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Double Chocolate Silk?
aka Papa Murph
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
so that's a stout with lactose & cocoa powder, right?
that’s a great name for a brew… papa murph’s double chocolate milk stout.
get to brew, goddamn it!
pride never die.
Lol
Chocolate Silk’s season was saved by dragay’s stupidity. I still can’t believe that he managed to get AD for an injured AJ. The best offer I got for him was Chris Johnson.
And ANS isn’t good enough for the A League. He’s a lot better at FFB than me, Orlando and magicmike (the flop of the season) but he quite clearly would have gotten destroyed, look at what happened to kev and his team was actually pretty good.
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If only magicmike was as stupid as dragay
And I didn’t draft an injury prone dog killer at #2 because of one good season.
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I need a cool nickname like Chocolate Silk or Papa Murph.
Caramel Cutie? – Naw, too gay.
Bronze Beast? – Naw, too macho.
Orlando El Furioso?
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
how about
poppa smurphf?
total ownage or what?
pride never die.
You've watched Meet the Parents too many times
And Orlando’s bronze not blue so Papa Smurf’s out.
Orlando the Mad doesn’t make sense either unless he’s surrounded by Kimbo fans or that guy he’s arguing with at the top of the page.
Orlando El Obseso Sexual works though. His avatar is proof of that.
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Bronze Bomber
Root Beer Goat
Midget Marauder
Puerto Rico’s Prodigal Son
Assmidget
I am out….
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
IDK
it just came out
Throwing it against the wall in case something sticks…no offense is intended, lol.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Assmidget?
And you call football gay…
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Haha! Good stuff, Maniacs. Things were getting too serious in here. Had to lighten it up.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Dave Chapelle - man, I miss his show.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
never seen that movie
the one with ben stiller, right?
pride never die.
Yes
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sorry then, never seen it so i don't get the reference
pride never die.
Grapplefan called OJR Gaylord
Ben Stiller plays Gaylord Focker in Meet The Parents. It was a dig at grapple when he admitted how bad his burn was.
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I'm not saying your not popular already
but if you looked like the chick in your profile you would be the most popular person on this site, regardless of what your comments were. Sounds like another social experiment for you Eohgan
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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hahahaha
I am too aggressive to play a chick.
E-mail sarah and have her get rid of her chauvanistic tendencies, ability to pick fights and her general “I don’t give a fuck” demeeanor and she might be able to pull it off.
Never mind, I could do a better job…;)
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
ha
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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i saw
but he does look like him….I didn’t notice that wooly’s post was bad or had racial undertones, Melvin does train in Boca with the Blackzillians fight team.
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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holy fuck, again with this bullshit?
does it happen in every thread? you should just avoid mania, then
pride never die.
Miller is not taking Guillard down and if and when he does he'll be scrambling right up
I like the fact that Guillard plans to be cautious this fight I don’t like he’s with the blackzillians, but Im thinking he feels it was a positive move and he has a good gameplan for it and it’s the same gameplan he left when he was at Jacksons, nothings changed.
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Excellent Breakdown
I like Melvin and wish he could cash in on his talent and athletic ability with some discipline, but Jim is the very sort of guy Melvin loses to. A great grappler who can hold his own in the standup.
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by G Squat on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Has proved he's fast at transitioning and changing levels
Is tough and hasn’t got gassing problems in a 3 round fight. Not too proud to avoid “let it all hang out for the warrior of the week award”.
The Lauzon fight contradicts your opinion - and I thought Melvin was going to buzz saw through Joe.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Haha! I think Melvin leaving Jackson's camp was a mistake. Except for that blip vs. Lauzon it looked like he was putting it all together. Now we will see if he has regressed because I don't expect him to get better with his current camp.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Agreed, things were looking up for him, maybe he was embarrassed or something similar?
I remember everybody on the site thought the same thing when he walked out to fight Lauzon, “Melvin wtf, this isn’t going to end well” lol. Such as strange thing to predict with somebody.
He should have stayed, Jackson’s is a great place for Melvin. Focus him, keep him level headed and able to maintain focus during the fight (hopefully).
As a fan
it makes me happy that we can see Clay and Cerrone fight Melvin.
But there is a part of me that wonders how much of Melvin’s leaving was because Greg Jackson wanted to stop him from showboating and acting like a douche. I mean Melvin chose to go train with Rashad and Rumble, two of the sports biggest douchebags.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Yeah, that is a good perspective. The whole Blackazillion (sp) label for that camp seems to scream elitism based on race. Maybe he felt more of a connection with them?
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
It is really suprising to me that no one has been screaming about that name from the rooftops. What is worng with Imperial Athletics? Why create nickname obviously based upon a racial line.
It has wosre racial undertones than Brown Pride (hiding behind cover from the possible shitstorm that sometimes ensues) and I am waiting patiently for the caucasian member of Imperial Athletics to be announced.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
They don't see it but groups like that are taking a shit on everything MLK and all the pioneers of equality for minorities have worked so hard for, IMO.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
you realize that MLK had an almost all black inner circle
every one brings his name up as if they knew him lol you probably only heard the I have a dream speech….you want to talk about equality start with those that actually do it a nickname with “black” in it does not make one racist or anti equality,get off your high horse.
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by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How big of a blowback would a group of fighters get if they named themselves Whitezillians?
honestly think about that.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
i seriously thought i misheard it the first few times i heard it
then i thought it was a term the people in the comments section coined themselves, rather racistly.
then i realized its actually what they call themselves. couldnt believe it.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
van arsdale....and many white fighters have trained there even if they are not members
its not even an official name…one could easily disregard it. this is not a civil rights issues, what they choose to call themselves does not infringe on your individual liberty.
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by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Calm down, I get the free speech part.
But there is a certain amount of sensitivity that needs to be shown by all professional organizations so as not to infer any sort of racial undertone that can be misconstrued as negative, IMO.
Like you said above, I think it is a silly name, but for the long-term growth of MMA, items such as this, along with Cain’s tattoo, should be non-issues, yet they continue to permeate the landscape of MMA.
Personally, I would have thought that a fighter as intelligent as Rashad would have recognized the fact that the name could be taken with a negative light and just go by the very well-developed name that they came up with. I mean from a marketing perspective, “Imperial Athletics” could easily be developed into the largest brand in MMA as it transitions very easil to apparel, equipment, etc without sounding like a regional name (Serra-Longo), or niche sport brand (American Kickboxing Academy, Jackson Submission Fighting, etc).
I was impressed when the camp was formed and how they did it. I became less impressed when they nicknamed themselves. It feels like a name that they came up with at the fraternity kegger that they liked when they had 12 beers in them, not the name of a group of professional fighters that want to be taken seriously.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
I agree with what you said personally I feel imperial athletics is a much better name to go by
however I think the nickname was popularized by the mma blogosphere rather than the fighters moreover historically speaking and even today taking into consideration the socio economic status and the historical circumstances that led to it racial identity and pride carries different connotations…one group embraced racial identity as a means to affirm superiority whereas most minority groups reaffirm their racial identity to counter labels of inferiority….its about the context in which these statements are made. It would be nice if we lived in a color blind society but unfortunately we don’t. Nevertheless I agree that the nickname is silly and should be discarded
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by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regardless of who poularized it, it was the fighters who coined it.
and that was short-sighted.
I know there is prejudice in MMA. There is prejudice in life. Most of us on here have been subjected to it in one form or another.
While I would never ask Rashad to be or act any way other than the way he is, I would expect him, as a college educated, successful businessman to be able to understand that there are ways of showing his racial pride without coining a nickname that automatically creates controversy.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
you're asking this to the man who decided to buy himself cheap heat
by bringing up the child rapist at the last press conference. The one that also called whitey boy a former training partner (whom pulled a ho move buy showing that all over the internet but that’s a different story).
pride never die.
I heard it was silva that came up with the nickname
honestly we should call it imperial athletics..that’s what I do I simply refuse to call it blackzillians should be interesting to see whether guillard learnt from the lauzon fight plus I wonder if van arsdale could be as good as Greg I guess we will find out Saturday. although I think miller still has the edge
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by rooseveltdunn on Jan 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Miller is more well-rounded
and has a granite chin that took a ton from Bendo and kept going.
I expect another Melvin RNC loss.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
i don't see Melvin
getting out of the first round. Miller is going to want to prove he deserves to be in the title talk, and that the Bendo fight was just a fluke
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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it wasn't a fluke
it was the lord in action. Maniacs, can i get an amen?!
otherwise i really hope miller plays it to his strenghts and goes for the quick td and looks for the sub. The last thing he needs is a loss, he was this close to getting his due title shot and it’d be a shame if he had to start all over
pride never die.
You'll love this
They have a Blackzilian comic book coming out by Joe Palooka.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of the day the reality is
With a camp becoming more known as “blackzilians” the amount of non-black fighters (particularly white fighters) that want to be members of the club will not be anywhere near as great as compared to camps without a racial-influenced name. Will it happen? Sure, just like the 3 white kids in the high school Black Student Union. But it will be far and few between.
Same would go if it was reversed (though much more debate and outrage would take place) and we had a Whitemerican team.
It is what it is.
Guillard is one of my all time favorites, but he doesn’t get past the high paced mixed game of Miller.
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by *Californication* on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
Should have said something closer to that than embarrassment (doubt anybody would leave a camp because of that). Wouldn’t imagine that Jackson told him to leave but he might have been faced with an ultimatum that he just wasn’t willing to accept.
Hmmm, if that’s what it is then … whatever Melvin, be who you want to be but please stop yapping about a title and doing whatever it takes to change your mistakes I guess.
His choice but I see it as a waste. Melvin / Cerrone is a nice fight.
agreed.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone was saying the same things about Melvin
that yall are now……right before he fought Dunham. Melvin wins this via tough fought decision
I have issued my statement. If Chael wins against Silva, im officially the coolest guy on Mania and have the coolest dvd collection. If he loses.....then I shall leave Mania for good....
Dunham doesn't hav enear the stand, or chin, that Miller has.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Which is why I said decision and not a KO
I have issued my statement. If Chael wins against Silva, im officially the coolest guy on Mania and have the coolest dvd collection. If he loses.....then I shall leave Mania for good....
Nobody expected Dunham to just stand in front of Melvin and let him tee off like that after failing to get the TD. I was shocked. Melvin hits hard and you just stand there with your back against the wall? I don't see Miller making that mistake.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Miller is not in a position where he must get this fight to the ground.
Hell he could stand with Melvin for 3 rounds or maybe even get a KO for himself. But I do think Guillard will be able to stuff a few TDs and build his confidence to let the bombs fly.
Question is: Does Melvin want to be confident??? Seems to be his krypytonite
I have issued my statement. If Chael wins against Silva, im officially the coolest guy on Mania and have the coolest dvd collection. If he loses.....then I shall leave Mania for good....
Fair enough. What do you think of his camp move? Help, hinder or no improvement?
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Definately hinder.
Most retarded thing he could have done. Probably couldn’t handle the discipline Jackson’s MMA was enforcing on him. He has mental issues for sure, but I do like him as a fighter and even as a person he doesn’t seem to bad so i will be pulling for him here. Melvin Guillard vs Ben Henderson is fucking fire works.
I have issued my statement. If Chael wins against Silva, im officially the coolest guy on Mania and have the coolest dvd collection. If he loses.....then I shall leave Mania for good....
or wrestling
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well done, AK
You thieving, plagarizing, bastard.
Melvin is gonna get subbed. He goes to the ground in the first, he’s not getting up until the ref pulls Miller off of him.
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by Scottidog on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if you aint cheating, you aint tryin!
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
So ive heard
Seriously though. Well written informative piece.
Way to take the torch.
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by Scottidog on Jan 19, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats greg jacksons motto
AGAIN stealing from ANS??? this is unbelievable
If you think, you are late
If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
welcome to the real world kid.
"Jack of all trades, Master of none. Master of few, Jack everyone."- Greg Nelson
who's this tosspot?
Some wannabe gangsta thinks he can name himself after a shooter and impress everybody?
... i think that went over my head to be honest lol.
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lol ok now i get it.
sorry, move along, nothing to see here.
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by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
now that i've established who's the mac daddy and who's the eye candy
I think it’ll be me who tells you when it’s time to move along thank you.
Yeah that’s a keeper
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by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
thank you sir!
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
good write up AK
and I approve of the re-renaming of your handle, what made you go back?
I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
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he never trained with the "imperial athletics guys"
oh, snap!
pride never die.
i will write these posts under this handle.
if i am just mucking around the comments section, i’ll be the other one.
“Andrew Keller” was my original posting name, then when i started doing my training camp blogs, i switched over to “AK” just to try to somewhat hide who i was if my opponent stumbled across my blogs. wouldnt want him knowing exactly how i was training lol.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 19, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Way to throw the dogs off the scent, Andrew Keller to AK
That’s the online equivalent of those little plastic glasses with the nose and mustache attached
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
did you see the guy i fought? plastic glasses with a nose and mustache is about the same as a damn invisibility cloak to that guy.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
haha.
good job andrew.. someone needed to takeover for ans..
Jesus H Christ, how many times i gotta pay the price, too scared of death will make you twice as scared of life.
by stinky~fingers on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Says Jesse Holland to Press Release
You’re the last person that should be joking about “discreet” name changes on Mania, well other than Eoghan Murphy.
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I see Miller trying a flying arm triangle or some other crazy shit
and Guillards BJJ being so terrible he actually gets it
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