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MMA THOUGHT OF THE DAY: BET OF THE YEAR ON THE HORIZON

If you think its a bit early to be announcing a “bet of the year” you would probably be correct. With a full 11 months of MMA action to look forward to, if one wants to declare the best bet of 2012 in January you better have damn good reason. Fortunately, this is precisely how strongly I feel about my belief that Nick Diaz will almost certainly win a decision victory over Carlos Condit via cleverly placed, unrelenting punches. At -170, Diaz is a great bet....



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One of my reasons for this assertion is that we recently witnessed a fight that I believe is a near perfect blueprint for how Diaz-Condit will play out. Going into the Nate Diaz-Donald Cerrone fight I had Diaz as a smart underdog pick. I did not, however, anticipate the completely one sided boxing clinic that Nate would display against the dangerous, red-hot Cerrone. I see Nick Diaz-Carlos Condit as the welterweight version of this recent bout in almost every way imaginable.


Aside from sharing copious genetic material and being long time training partners , the Diaz brothers have developed very similar skill sets, no doubt having learned from one another over the course of a shared lifetime. Despite having moderate wrestling skills, their Jiu-Jitsu is deadly enough to scare most opponents away from even attempting a take down and their submission IQ is high enough to make them nearly impossible to tap or choke out. On the feet they are equally deadly, possessing some of the most technically complete boxing in MMA, peppering their opponents with accurate, well timed, high volume punches that leave fighters bewildered, frustrated and in a constant state of defense. Though they prefer more of a pure boxing attack, their striking defense is complete enough to defend against the most well-rounded array of kick, punches, knees and elbows. If they have a weakness it is an over-abundance of patience, which allows strong wrestlers to run out the clock against them while controlling position on the mat.


If possible, the similarities between Cerrone and Condit are perhaps even more striking. Both have: a diverse striking attack, KO power, great chins, excellent endurance and durability, excellent offensive guards, tall, lanky builds with reach, prefer to stand and trade shots unless taken down by their opponents, never use their wrestling offensively and brandish aggressive styles. They also share a less fortunate trait- they get hit a lot. Given their shared ability to take a punch, this had not presented a problem for either fighter until they met the Diaz brothers. We saw Cerrone absorb several deadly blows from Razor Rob before wearing the former champ down with his own shots and we watched Condit exchange power lead hooks with Dan Hardy (Hardy rendered unconscious and Condit barely phased). Unfortunately for Condit, as we saw in Diaz-Cerrone, Nick Diaz is going to present him with a different kind of striking problem, a barrage of precision punching that doesn’t separate you from consciousness, but gradually wrestles away your will to mount an effective offense.


Condit is as game as they come and has excellent cardio so expect 5 full rounds of entertaining action, albeit one-sided action. Add to these factors Diaz’s endless gas tank and ability to thrive in late rounds, as well as the fact that due to opponent withdrawal (GSP) Condit will be coming up on 7 months of inactivity and you have a recipe for a 5 round shut out victory for Nick Diaz.


At -170 this is a steal.

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Agreed with this one. Diaz by decision all the way.

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by freenow82 on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Diaz TKO Rd 3 or 4

Carlos has never taken the amount of damage or been hit as many times as Diaz is going to put on him. Cant even remember the last high caliber striker Condit has faced.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

Since all things are God, in all things thou seest just so much of God as thy capacity affordeth thee.

Modern morality and manners suppress all natural instincts, keep people ignorant of the facts of nature and make them fighting drunk on bogey tales.

No one understands what it means but its provocative, gets the people going.

by Str8_right on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No necessarily a steal because Condit does offer things that other guys dont.

Namely a muay thai game with true KO power. His finish rate is ridiculous and has a gritty game where his offense doesnt relent even when guys are taking it to him. Now the Mcdonald fight maybe telling but i dont think Diaz has a wrestling game to work a similar fight. And Diaz works off of momentum. You can be sure he’ll give away the first round or two just like he’s done against BJ or Cyborg or Daley (he took over that one pretty quick due to the fast pace of he fight). Most importantly, he has cardio to match diaz even when he’s taking damage. I think this fight is about as even as it gets. Personallyi would stay away from betting this one,

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 17, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Condit is a beast, but I doubt his cardio will match Diaz's pace

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

Since all things are God, in all things thou seest just so much of God as thy capacity affordeth thee.

Modern morality and manners suppress all natural instincts, keep people ignorant of the facts of nature and make them fighting drunk on bogey tales.

No one understands what it means but its provocative, gets the people going.

by Str8_right on Jan 17, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The smartest bet coming up

is Eric Shafer over Rivera. Reasonably close odds and Rivera sucks ass. Shafer has got a great chin, will take a beating and then Jorge will gas and get subbed. easy shit

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1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
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by The Pride on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

This all day. I mean if you want to talk about a steal!

On another note, you’d appreciate this guess who i got to roll with last week? motherfuckin Lucas Lepri. Shit was so gangster. The guy is unreal.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

damn thats awesome

He won the nogi worlds 2 or 3 times right? either way thats really cool. On a side note, my gyms having a belt promo and Tim Carpenter is the guest instructor. He did it about a year and half ago too, showed some sweet armbars. almost got one of them in his fight with Daniel Gracie

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Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
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by The Pride on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep he won the 3 times and won gi worlds once.

He showed us so many sick moves. my favorite was that ezekiel off the back he used to submit gregor gracie. That’s awesome about carpenter, he’s got a badass grappling game. I hear he’s got pretty good judo too. I remember when he had his run at the ADCCs back in 07 goin to the quarterfinals.

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Head of the Church of Bones Jones.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ive never seen an exekiel off the back

sounds awesome. i love sneaky moves like that, a lot of my game is stuff like. i may have showed u this before, but if not check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD7DVKhUU1U . One of my fav moves to do, no one outside of my gym ever sees it coming.

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1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKERS

by The Pride on Jan 18, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh snap, that move is my shit. I love going for that.

I guess because of our small size it’s much easier to slide out for it…..and mainly because i end up on the bottom of side control a lot if going against guys with good takedowns.

Big Nog for life
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is Condit's smarter than Cerrone

Cerrone’s biggest mistake was that he let Diaz get in his head before the fight and it made him fight Nate’s fight – a boxing match.

Nate and Cerrone decided to stand and bang before the fight…Nate said somethin like “dont be doin none of that gay grapplin shit”. Cerrone fell for it.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

I have $100 on Diaz -165.

I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...

by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 18, 2012 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

also have $100 on Vitor -270.

I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence...

by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 18, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

moving up in the world I see...

Drewski… I’d get the off that site asap, since it doesnt let u do parlays… use 5 dimes or bodog… you can parlay these fighters there even though they are 2 different events…

Personally I use 5 dimes, bodog and Usbet to get the best odds possible on a pick: BODOG:

https://sports.bovada.lv/sports-betting/mixed-martial-arts.jsp

you don’t have to even sign up to mess with the parlay calculations.

$200 on a parlay of Belfort + Diaz = $230

versus

100 on Diaz = $60
100 on Belfort = $36

how do u like them apples?

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concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

thorazize

you bet enough to know that parlays are for suckers….

I went 0-2 against Phasebook. Why do I feel that I am just padding his record?" Next time I won’t pick a guy whose best weapon is a somersault against a real bad guy like Scarface.
Check out what I've been drinking lately

by ShivanTiger on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

quick explanation. ex:..... if u can pick an average of 70% per card at worst...

…on an 11 fight card, limit selection to nothing more than -300 and eliminate fights you are unsure of leaving you with 6 fighters sometimes 8 or so, adjust your betting to what you judge in terms of risk vs reward. If I feel diaz is a lock instead of betting him straight up I spread my money throughout the rest of my picks.. 2 fight parlay is the only way to go in MMA at those fucked up straight up odds… Drew loses 1 of those fights and all he is doing is hedging his bet for a loss, that’s is bad business. I think Diaz n vitor is better than an even money bet… and drew made great selections but seperately they suck

"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Jan 18, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

another example I may bet brennaman with my other 4 picks

so if brenneman loses I lose the whole thing, he wins Im probably going to do pretty good.. this is a safe fight for brenneman, basically a wrestling BJ fight… Im just hoping he comes in at -170 at least

"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Jan 18, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

funny this thread comes up i was thinking of betting all my money, well spare money on diaz

by steady2wheels on Jan 18, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Shit! brenneman just came in at -300

lot more times than you think the odds makers screwup, but they didnt on brenneman
-300 is about right… I will do a parlay of Guillard/Brenneman though… Im not sure yet on my other 4 picks

"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

I'll probably still use brenenman though if i like the odds

each parlay should offer close to easy money at least with brenenman at least

"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"

by THORAZINE on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  


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