Dana White releases unaired footage from ESPN 'Outside The Lines' fighter pay interview (Video)
by Jesse Holland on Jan 16, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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ESPN recently tried to take Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) to task for the disparity between ZUFFA profits and fighter salaries in a video interview for its "Outside the Lines" program.
In it, Lorenzo Fertitta answered questions regarding the promotion's perceived "monopoly" and how it put a stranglehold on a fighter's ability to negotiate a contract.
Unfortunately, you only got half the story. Perhaps less.
That's according to UFC President Dana White, who today (Jan. 16, 2012) released unaired footage from the 40-minute video the UFC also filmed to help protect his firm from a negative slant by the "dirty" reporters at ESPN.
"You do a 40-minute interview with a guy and then you do a nine-minute piece with him, and they make it look like all this bad stuff is going on and they don't tell Lorenzo's side of the story when Lorenzo says things. You'll see this thing in its entirety and you'll see ESPN 'Outside the Lines,' E:60, these shows like this, how they do business and what they're like. They're dirty, they lie and they never give you all the facts. This is why I did not participate in this interview."
After the jump, White reveals unaired footage from the Fertitta interview that shows a much different side of the story.
Check it out.
The UFC/ESPN relationship, on shaky ground from the word go, has been further complicated by the promotion's recent long-term broadcast deal with FOX Sports.
Now that mud is officially slinging, can we expect this thing to get worse before it gets better?
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more on this developing story including the full, 40-minute video of footage the UFC plans on releasing to compare notes.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bless you sir
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by Shadyone33 on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They’re dirty, they lie and they never give you all the facts.
I don’t enjoy having conversations with myself either.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
i'm pissed ufc told me lyoto was the greatest threat to jones' title
They’re dirty, they lie and they never give you all the facts.
don’t you know brock is massive and the baddest man on the planet? He’s going to KO overeem at his own game!
They’re dirty, they lie and they never give you all the facts.
fuck dana white, first class hypocrite as they come
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Someone call Guinness FAST
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by JasonFahQ on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by freenow82 on Jan 16, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Huh?
Lyoto’s style caused some concern for Bones and Brock had the belt so yes he could have been the baddest man around at the time, it’s easy to claim you never thought anything of him now because we all seen him lose but come on dude.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don't even try dude
VHW is about as dumb as they come. In his ramblings today we learn Dana’s opinion that Brock was the baddest man on the planet makes him a LIAR since Overeem beat him. Completely the same as a news story giving out the wrong facts.
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No kidding.
When I say stuff it’s my opinion, I don’t need to even say “in my opinion” because it’s obvious. Same should go with everyone else, when Dana says something about a fighter, it seems to have to stick forever or else he becomes a liar and not just a guy who’s hyping up fights or falsely believing in a fighter.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
i like brock, i respect the man and he's the reason i watch mma at all
what i’m trying to say is that’s pretty absurd from dana white to claim ‘espn is dirty’ when he does the same shit over and over
pride never die.
Intrested on how espn will respond to this
by Cerrone's sombrero on Jan 16, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
same....
Im wondering if ESPN will tell all reporters that ALL UFC talk is off until notified otherwise.
While I agree that ESPN doesn't cover MMA as much as I'd like...
What does that have to do with the veracity of the piece? Dana comes off as just a little too defensive. Plus, this video Dana released is as edited as the ESPN piece. Secondly, the fighters that were profiled are the exceptions, not the standard (not to mention mouth-pieces for the UFC).
Matt Serra is a mouth piece for the UFC?
Interesting.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
hes fat as fuck
You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
yes he is
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have to make 155 anymore so he can eat all the pasta he wants.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
Heck, he doesn’t even have to make 170 anymore. 170 is a slim chance at this point, 155 would be impossible.
He's well over 200 at 5'6"
hahah.
I like Matt though, he’s never shirked anything and is a good guy
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
he def is....
and he seemed like a great coach on his season of TUF. You can learn a lot from that man even though hes past his prime.
He is just like Justin Garcia, Chim Chim, a BJJ Black belt from NY. I trained with him at his school Jungle Gym, and they all told me that one of the big reasons Chim Chim didn’t make the Ultimate FIghter is because they were like the same thing. High level BJJ guys who were short and wide as fuck.
And Justin is super wide man, some people just have that build. I think Justin had to kill himself just to make 185 though, lol.
Wideness is a killer.
thats a stretch
hes about 200 even
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Who’s 200? Matt Serra? Right now. Hell no. He’s definitely more than that right now. He’s a fat shit.
my bad, i forgot you knew him
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If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
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What does knowing him have to do with anything? Maybe 200 lbs means something to you, but it’s not a lot of weight at all.
Matt is much , much wider than myself, and I’m 5’8 and 230. I have a very muscular build, but I have fat on me as well.
Matt is tremendously wider than me, same with Chim Chim, they both have similar body types. Those guys who can get real wide are fucking heavy bastards.
You’ve never met anyone with that body type? Next time you see one, ask them what they weigh, it will surprise you.
That’s like the troll body type. Haha.
I guess you don't realize
That Mike train’s at Serra’s, knows Matt, and sees him on a regular basis? That’s what knowing him has to do with it…
by YouveGotGold on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a fucking mind reader. So Matt says he’s at 200? Then 170 shouldn’t be an issue , from my end it seems he is nowhere near ready to make it to 170.
But I don’t train with the guy, so I guess whatever Mike says is right.
How often do you train Mike? How far is it from the Bronx? Been meaning to go check it out over there, which school do you go to?
im just saying why would he lie
i just didnt see it worth it to argue with you when you disagreed with me and said hes definitely more…i know for a fact he was 202 a week ago…either way, no big deal…i go to school full time in pennsylvania so i cant train there all the time, but when i’m home, 5-6 days a week…i split time between serra bjj in levittown, formerly east meadow, and longos academy which only has one location…decent hike from the bronx, with new york traffic probably like an hour, if not more
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If you are late, you use strength
If you use strength, you tire
And if you tire, you die
I guess my perception of Matt is off then, or how I would relate to him. He just looks so chubby now, and with that body type, just figured he’d be heavier. Guess I’m fatter than I thought haha.
That’s cool stuff man, I gotta get back into it, I feel like I’m Rampage / Rumble / Penn type of laziness over here, I don’t know what the fuck my problem is. I get all sloth mode sometimes.
Gotta get motivated. You do any tournaments? Any MT over there?
Lets not split hairs now
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha Dana...
Cuz u never lie…
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions
UFC and ESPN
They can go back and forth for weeks about this and that but until some actual facts are presented its never going to end. Lorenzo said they don’t hide anything so why doesn’t ESPN ask instead of accuse? I love ESPN and UFC but this is getting blown out of proportion. Look at all the opportunities these fighters have from sponsors on their shorts to fight bonuses-seems like they are probably doing ok. From the facts I read they do a hell of a lot better financially than I do after graduating college.
by powersposse on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I believe Lorenzo said fighter have audit rights.
Meaning they FIGHTERS can look into matters not ESPN, otherwise it would go back to be public information.
that makes sense
Still it seems like throwing facts out there would squash this. But again I understand not wanting to put the fighters business out there
by powersposse on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
espn has no love for mma
coverage on tsn in canada is pretty much non-existent. sportsnet takes care of us though.
Monopoly?
Isn’t that when consumers only have ONE choice in buying a service/product they NEED? I love MMA but it’s not essential to my survival nor does the law require me to order PPV’s. As far as the fighters go….if you don’t like the UFC don’t sign with them. If you can’t make a living outside the UFC maybe you’re not cut out to be a fighter. I would propose a salary type pay system. Under this system very fighter gets…say.. $50,000 a year base. Every fight you win gets you $20,000 plus bonuses. Anything above that is up for negotiation.
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agree with the structure point, and it will possibly could be the solution.
the problem here, is that not every organization would be able to do the same, some promoter makes less than $100,000 in an event, leaving nothing to pay for the fighters. Therefore, if they dectate a minimum, it will be so low, that it would return them back to UFC control.
Yes UFC is not the only venue. but the thing that back fired on them was the sucess of strikeforce, and the fact that it was going down, like pride and WEC to make ufc roster stronger. hence, the fighter are back to dieing to get back to ufc.
its a monopoly in a way that they might be trying to kill all other potiential developing organization, competition in an unfair manner. if they purchased Strikeforce and kept their original prmoise, buisness is as normal they wouldn’t have to deal with most of this problmes. but they moved all their excellent fighter to ufc, leaving strikeforce as garppage.
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How much money do you make compared to the CEO of your company?
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by JasonFahQ on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
without the UFC/ZUFFA, MMA wouldnt be what it is today,
guys like Liddell, Couture, Griffin and some of the bigger names who help rebuild the UFC, and the sport, wouldn’t be anywhere near how well off they are now.
im just saying the bottom half could see a slight pay raise
they offer bonuses but u are only as good as the guy u are fighting. if an opponent chooses to play safe u suffer
How would you react if your local news station showed up at your door looking to interview you about low pay amongst your employees? And then someone else who you didn’t know tells you that your lower level employees should make more money? You’d be pissed, and you would argue why it’s untrue right? And you would have an inside slant since you do the books right? Same for lorenzo and the ufc
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I think the UFC payscale is pretty fair. The low tiered fighters aren’t valued as much as all to the company. Would I like to make more? Of course, but I think people need to calm down.
This sport is so new, they are still expanding, conversations like this need to be brought up in say 10 or 20 years. Not now.
That’s fine, they invested the money, they did the hard work, they deserve to reap the rewards. At least for a decade or so cmon man. Fighter salaries are going up, they are developing the sport, this is a non issue .
Like I said, call back in say 20 years, and see where it has gone.
At the pace it is going now, in 10 years, the lowest paid fighters will be making a decent check.
There's plenty of MMA companies, they just aren't as big as UFC because they jumped on the MMA trend and didn't risk it and wait time.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not true
Apple existed when Microsoft got broken up.
There is more to being a monopoly than just having another option.
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ESPN is a joke. This is a play because the UFC signed with FOX and not them.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
+3
I have to say that I agree with what I’m hearing from Lorenzo and Dana.
by TheFriendlySponge on Jan 16, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Dana butthurt
Dana crying about people lying, oh the sweet hypocrisy.
by Shamil Magomedov on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions
Difference between lying and trying to damage a companies name.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
But Dana has tried to damage the names of other companies, organizations, promoters, and fighters.
by Shamil Magomedov on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
There contract expires sometime this year I was told. But am not sure how true that is.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't help that the fighters they are interviewing are all former champions...
2 are TUF winners and 1 is Chuck Liddel
Where is Bruce Leroy? Or someone else that we don’t know what their last name is…
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I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Why do I want to hear from Bruce Leroy?
What’s he done for the UFC? Do you tune in to watch Bruce Leroy right? I sure as heck don’t. The kid is not a draw, not a name and certainly isn’t doing anything to generate revenue for the UFC. Fighting on the undercard shouldn’t merit anything beyond base salary and medical coverage. Undercard boxers don’t make spit – why all the concern about the UFC’s undercard fighters?
by TheFriendlySponge on Jan 16, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bruce Leroy was just a random name...would you have preferred Joe Mohammed?
Anyway, I don’t think the issue is about the undercard fighters…I think it’s about the fighter payouts versus the UFC’s revenues for an event
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Those guys didn't get taken care of because they made the company no money.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not.
But the whole point was, if you preform and become a partner to the UFC you get taken care of, if you’re just starting and no one pays to see you, you have to work your way up. All jobs are that way, start low and work up.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I take your point as well and I get what you're saying though.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
You cannot base an entire argument on anonymous sources
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions
This is why lorenzo needs to start becoming the face of the ufc
Can you imagine dana in that interview? Lorenzo came off like a knowledgable businessman while dana comes off like the owners spoiled kid. Dana has his place as a promoter. But he needs to step back a bit.
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The more mainstream UFC gets, the quicker Dana will be removed. He just doesn’t have the ability to be PC.
Could be the reason why Lorenzo has been taking bigger and bigger steps into the spotlight. Lorenzo is the perfect guy to be the face of the company once this thing goes super mainstream.
That being said, Dana is just being a promoter, Lorenzo doesn’t have to wear that hat, and that promoter shit is a tough job.
I bet he is there for the life of the UFC
Dana is very well known and people automatically think of the UFC when they hear his name or see him. He is basically a walking, talking advertisement
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by enzo-enormous on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
For now, Dana was absolutely the face for years, but things change. The company is not going to need that everyman guy who curses and is ignorant / arrogant to run things once this sport gets real popular.
Dana was the loud mouth that got attention, eventually, attention won’t be needed, and a PC guy being there to maintain the status quo will be needed.
Agreed. Lorenzo and Dana make a perfect good guy bad guy routine. They let Dana be the mouth, and whether that is a good or bad decision is up for debate. IMO, Dana is the biggest name associated with the UFC, including fighters. No fighter is bigger than Dana, and no fighter is bigger than the UFC.
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Not to be a dick......
But Chucks mohawk is fucked
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Haha for real. Essentially Chuck said, well the UFC provided me a life of unlimited drugs and poor decisions for the rest of my life. Chuck was going to be a bouncer one way or another, now he’s just a rich bouncer.
It's up to him on how he spends his money not the UFC.
But I suggest he spends it on a hair cut.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
UFC should have told him to look better for this promo for real. He looks like straight coke head trash.
Eh, I'm a huge Chuck fan so I can forgive him for having a pube hair Mohawk.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'd venture to say....
Lorenzo is on the juice
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions
dana doesn't look as jacked though
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Could just be the food. When they were younger they were all skinny twigs. Steroids in food is no joke, we all are on steroids.
I would run a cycle if i had the cash
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t. Fuck steroids. For what? Steroids are used to boost people’s weak mental state more than anything. Although, I am a mesomorph, so I don’t have muscle gaining issues. The funny thing too, is that the ectomorphs are running MMA right now. Their combo of height advantage, reach advantage, cardio, are absolute killers, and help the stand up and BJJ game so much so. Not to mention you can actually do submissions with long limbs as opposed to being jakked, I really don’t understand why the skinny guys even need juice anymore.
I’ve never had a problem with Lorenzo. He seems like a good , stand up guy. He handled himself properly on the interview, and Lorenzo brings up a ton of good points. His " in the neighborhood of 50% " definitely is a bit shaky, but he did say neighborhood, and didn’t say an exact 50%. That being said, I could let that slide, Lorenzo is a good dude.
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Sounds like someone doesn't like Dana White.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 16, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like they have made a mountain out of a mole hill
No it seems like they have drawn attention to other flaws within their business, when really they could have ignored this and nobody would be talking about it.
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