Professionalism vs Gumption
by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM EST
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Nearly all sides of the spectrum have been discussed in the front page thread so I don't expect this to get much play, but i'll post it anyways. I simply cannot believe people complaining that "it wasn't his place."
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UFC: 142 was an action packed fight card boasting six first round finishes, all the while showcasing some of the most brutal knockouts and submissions of any card in UFC history.
Between the blasting KO’s and dismembering of limbs one aspect of the night stood out beyond all others—The blatant incompetency of referee Mario Yamasaki.
Mario has been a mixed martial-arts referee since 1999 at UFC:20 "The Road to the Heavyweight Title" in Alabama. Coincidently that was also the inaugural event for Bruce Buffer’s "We are live" event introduction. Protecting fighters in over 200 sanctioned MMA bouts, Mario’s vast experience places him among the reffing elite and, rightfully so, he is head and shoulders above "tan" Dan Miragliotta and the reprehensible Steve Mazzagatti.
Outside of his refusal to acknowledge the nut-shot Matt Hughes suffered at the hands of "Twinkle Toes" in their second title fight at UFC: 52 "Dana White’s Favorite Fight….Ever" Mario is usually solid, and a referee of choice (as if there is one unless you are Brock Lesnar—may he RIP) for fighters. That being said, everyone makes mistakes.
The butterflies of victory had not yet begun to settle for Erick Silva in his return to Brazil after his knockout victory of Luis Ramos at UFC: 134, when Mario Yamasaki told the commission that he was robbing him of his obliteration of Carlos Prater, whom he had only moments ago beaten into a (T)KO stoppage in front of his home town crowd of Brazil’s finest.
The reason? Illegal Strikes to the back of the head.
Silva hits Prater with a knee to the body then lands blistering shots ending the fight. It appears out of roughly eight (8) strikes that one (1) was possibly to the back of the head, while another one definitely being a glancing/skimming shot. Forearm down to hitting the side of the head (legal) is what ended the fight.
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Now we get to the heart of the post—Joe "Balls-Mahoney" Rogan 
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Joe Rogan, paid to call the fights like he sees them, did just that. He became the voice for everyone watching who has a minimum of 3 marbles rolling around in their proverbial noggin and immediately “called out” Mario right then and there, live in front of world.
It looked legal to me. Lets take a look. There you catch him. Theres one to the side. That’s legal. That’s legal. That’s legal. That’s legal. There’s one that strayed. These look like legal shots to me. These don’t look like legal shots to you? Mario, what was it about this that would make you want to make this a disqualification? It looks fine from here. It seems he is hitting the side of the head. That doesn’t look like the back of the head to me, man. One may have, it looks like he is going way out of his way to try to hit the sides of the head. Is this a judgment call, are you happy with this call? How are you feeling about this, I understand you have to decide in the moment? Look Mario Yamasaki is a great referee, but I think he made a mistake here.
Droves of fans are crying out that it was unprofessional of Rogan to call out the referee in such a public fashion. Personally, I applaud Joe for having the balls to do what he did, in the way that he did it. I liken it to watching an ABC special where they set up instances to see people’s reaction, or lack thereof. Joe, like the rest of us, saw bullshit and called a spade a spade. An immediate reaction is the best reaction.
Let’s face it, society at large is full of brainless sheeple whom rather shy away and walk on by than open their mouth or doing anything at all.
Nothing pisses me off more than an episode of Primetime: What would you do?<!--EndFragment-->
http://abc.go.com/watch/what-would-you-do/SH5555951
I can only imagine what “The Voice” and Co. would have came up with in defense of Yamasaki.
This isn’t the first time, either. Anyone remember Joe Rogan vs The Great Ice Spill of UFC: 109?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9IfSOxqC2I&feature=player_embedded#!
“There’s a lot of ice. This is a disaster. Oh no, they knocked the bucket over. This is the three stooges. What are you freaks doing. Everybody’s booing, now there is even more pressure…they’re sweeping it to the side, that’s good watch Arianny fall on her head…(at the stooges) YO there’s still ice. GET BACK IN THERE, YOU’RE NOT DONE…Those cornermen, someone needs to kick there ass.”
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It wasn't his place there either, huh? Nor when a guy goes crazy on a show he simply hosts (much like he does for the UFC) and he restrains the nut.
Award for one, pink slip for another.
Joe Rogan showed what not only MMA needs, but society in general, and that sarah and gentleman, is balls. The gumption to call an idiot an idiot, and not sit idly by.
Grow a pair.
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Neither of those choices work for me
I don’t blame Rogan for asking the question. I don’t blame Yamasaki for doing what he thought was right.
I take issue with a supposed impartial ref getting thrown into the spotlight like that. This is a slippery fucking slope my friends.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
I don’t blame Rogan for asking the question
I take issue with a supposed impartial ref getting thrown into the spotlight like that.
Which one is it?
In Nevada the ref has the opportunity to review a call he has ended the fight on if he thought it was an illegal blow. He could overrule it right then and there. There is no commish in Brazil.
If Joe hadn’t asked noone would have known what the hell was going on. Why wait for a youtube interview with Helwani the next day?
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
There is a reason NFL referees are not interviewed on the spot.
Same with judges after trials and referees in every other sport.
The impartiality of refereeing needs to be at least implied, or else people can question anything else that is done. Will there be human error? Of course, but hopefully those errors can be minimized through changes in rulings/replay, etc. Do you really think that this would have happened where there actually was a commission?
Rogan had no business asking the question and Yamasaki is a fool for catering to him. It is shock-jock reporting at its worst.
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Not in Nevada where they could review it to make the correct call.
I agree that it is difficult to be in that position, just as any prosector that loses a case doesn’t hold issue with the Jury that convicted his client.
The post is two-fold.
Addressing Mario’s bad call, then Rogan’s balls to say something.
Joe simply asked why the call was made, in black and white terms I think it was the best decision that could have been made. I simply can’t agree.
If Joe hadn’t said anything, there would have been droves of people saying he should have.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it the first time this happens is 142 events in and just happens to be where there is no commission?
It is bullshit that Rogan was even given access to a ref.
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+1
it’s actually been more than 142 events, though. You’re leaving out fight nights, the ultimate ultimates, fox, etc.
pride never die.
And UFC 37.5
"To me in this sport, it’s fighting, it’s mixed martial arts, and I feel there’s too many athletes and not enough fighters…I think these people going in taking these sports enhancement drugs, they’re not real fighters, they’re athletes. I’m a fighter. I’m a real fighter. That’s all I did my whole life." - BJ Penn
right or wrong you should never put a ref on the spot like that!
Especially not in the cage straight after the fight.Fucking disgrace.Now everyone will think they can do it.Rogan should be fined and warned for what he did imo even though he was right ;)
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
And there's my problem with the situation and instances in society in general
Especially not in the cage straight after the fight.Fucking disgrace.Now everyone will think they can do it.Rogan should be fined and warned for what he did imo even though he was right ;)
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
he was right we all know that but theres a time and a place
if Silva had have kayoed him with illegal punches but got the win would joe have called Mario on that? mmmmmm!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
If the strikes landed in the same places, yet he was unconscious instead of sitting on the stool
yes, I think he would have.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
You know better than that...
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Mario was hanging all over Joe waiting for his turn to talk
He was probably told by someone that Joe was going to talk to him. It wasn’t like Joe seeked him out and made him talk.
Overeem is sexy and he knows it.
I thought it was fair that Joe Rogan asked the question.
He wasn’t abrasive about it IMO, he just asked him to explain what had just occurred. If anything, I think Mario was too defensive in his response like he was being interrogated.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
In regards to the Mario's call
there is an obvious question of why wasn’t he warned, fight stopped, Prater checked to see if continue, point deduction, etc.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Those are all valid
And Yamasaki only needs to answer to his boss.
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Whose his boss if there is no commision in Brazil?
Zuffa?
If so, Seems as though they (Dana) had no qualm with Rogan’s questioning and actually agreed.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Which fucks the entire thing (see where I am going?)
If Zuffa employs them, then the legitimacy of the “sport” comes into question and really makes me wonder about the stand-ups in the Vitor fight.
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The stand ups in the Vitor fight
seemed ill-willed, yes. His wad was blown 30 seconds in, but who knows what could have happened.
Would you rather have the UFC stay with commissioned places, or venture out and expand? Good with the bad.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
To be legitimately considered a sport
MMA should never have its integrity questioned. All too often, we are on here questioning the legitimacy of a ref, judge, or Zuffa employee.
It is getting old to me.
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Bad calls, definitely.
But I haven’t seen a thread on fight fixes (ala Johnsons stand-up) in the UFC lately.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
nope
we are conditioned to call it bad judging
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Dana is Pavlov and were are the dogs, eh?
When the UFC holds events in sanctioned arenas with state commissions, where the ref would not be employed by Zuffa, do you consider bad calls fight fixes? Otherwise all that would be in question would be when fights go outside the commissioned areas, not leaving much in the way of mass conditioning.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to see the stats for where the "bad judging" takes place.
I am saying that people don’t talk about “the fix” anymore. I haven’t heard anyone mention it until the Vitor fight since Hammill/Bisping.
We are so used to bad judging in MMA that it is a normal response for us to listen to any and every excuse.
I am not saying the whole sport is dirty, but there are proven fixes in MMA recently (Franca?). More than in boxing recently, and that scares me.
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In two bit shows, I haven't heard of a fight fix call in the UFC
since bisping/Hammil. I agree though, holding the UFC in a higher esteem because it is the Mecca could potentially skew views on potential fixing.
There is simply no way to tell form the outside.
We see bad judging in every sport, all the time. I’m not sure we have the notion that a bad call is really a fix (which is I understand is taking your point to the maximum, here).
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Two bit shows with former UFC title contenders and teh biggest fight promotion in 2004.
Why on Earth would you think the owners of casinos would be above reproach?
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I agree though, holding the UFC in a higher esteem because it is the Mecca could potentially skew views on potential fixing.
Not above reproach as much as it is I am more inclined to expect of two-bits (it is) as opposed to the main stream venue of the sport.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I just think there is much less greasing involved when taking place in the jurisdiction of of a commission whereas in places like Rio it is much, much easier to pull off.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
Using the same refs for
clean work in the states and dirty work in abroad seems like a hell of a conspiracy. Not that it isn’t plausible, but the same refs makes it less prominent of an idea, imo.
It brings it back around to the topic above, do we settle for Zuffa employed reffs at times, or do we hold back the growth and the market and stick to commission arenas only? Catch 22
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would be ok with only having to watch 12 big shows again.
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From a business standpoint
that’ll never be an option, of course but, I think the bigger the sport becomes, internationally, the less this discussion is even brought up (ie: Legitimacy).
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
it's perfectly doable
12 STACKED shows vs 40+ watered down shows? I see a bigger number of ppv views when actual ‘stars’ are fighting
pride never die.
We're talking about
shows exclusively in commissioned states vs abroad where there are no commissions and refs become Zuffa employees.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
so?
i still believe 12 shows would do tons better in terms of ppv buys, specially if held in places where commissions will oversee the whole thing
pride never die.
Not debating the buy power of 12 stacked vs 24 mediocre.
till believe 12 shows would do tons better in terms of ppv buys, specially if held in places where commissions will oversee the whole thing
The bold is the issue.
It would prevent growth and expansion
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Same. I cheated for the first time ever this weekend.
Times, they are a changing.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
it's your regular end of the world
pride never die.
Funny how that line becomes easier and easier to cross
I rmember the days of berating anyone and everyone on here for cheating.
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I forced my self not to stream it on Saturday.
as I have not paid for an event in some time.
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when considering the Vitor fight
I don’t think it is that far of a stretch to think that an employee approached another employee and told them they wanted the fight on the feet, as much as possible.
Maybe my imagination is bigger than yours, but it seems very plausible to me.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
it's pretty evident if you ask me
it happened for the kimbo/petruzzelli fight with a commission in play, why wouldn’t it happen when no one is overseeing the whole thing?
pride never die.
I don't see the connection between Rogan asking questions and refs standing up fighters too soon. You are reaching, Ulf.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
You think that a referee, employed by the very entity that makes money from the event, and owns very large casinos, is not a problem?
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Ok. Got it.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Dude, asking him a public question doesn't compromise his impartiality
At least, you have to explain that logic. I don’t get why refs are excused off their fuck ups. They should be held accountable like the rest off em’. Their job is to get in the cage and be responsible for the fighters safeties. Joe asking him a question about that job doesn’t make aaaaany difference at all. It just makes Mario and other people think about what went wrong. Joe wasn’t seeking him out either from what I saw, Mario was right there ready to answer.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Why? If a ref makes a bad call he is above the grain to be asked about it?
In every line of work, if you make a fucked up decision, you get a question or two. And the “making call in the moment” excuse doesn’t fly. Ask a cop.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cops don't report to Channel 11.
They report to their boss, who is ultimately responsible for the questionable decision.
C’mon. Rogan had no business asking the question. It questions the impartiality of the judges in a locale that has no commission. Should I question the stand-ups in the Vitor match?
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Mario went overboard and cost a fighter his victory. Rogan has the right to question him. Can't take the heat? Don't work in the kitchen, Mario.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
who exactly gave Rogan that right anyways?
the UFC? Him? no one did cause he doesnt have that right.
Mario has the right to deny answering the question and he should have
Who says he doesn't have the right? You? Ulf Murphy?
I don’t want this to be soccer where the refs are holy assholes who fuck up all the time and no one does shit.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
do no one says he does, no one says he doesnt...
i guess Joe can do whatever the fuck he wants…Mazzi should have been the one to refuse to talk
Yeah he can and Mario didn't. He seemed fine with making a statement
You guys seem hurt by it and I don’t understand that. Straightforwardness(?) and honesty is the way to go in my opinion
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
Rogan is costing Mario money
who’s gonna stand up to Joe’s bitchass?
pride never die.
If Rogan
would have asked why the stand-ups were made, I would have had no problem with it. The ref would have answered (or not) and explained. Noone is left in the dark, done deal.
Really? They answer to citizens on the spot, the internet, the media, and then their bosses.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Court of Public Opinion is the worst place to be judged
and that is what you are doing here.
Yamasaki has no professional reason to even be asked the question, let alone be put in that position. But I guess it shouldn’t suprise me with the WWE, Twitter wars, and other bullshit that has been happening in MMA int he alst few months.
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In every line of work, if you make a fucked up decision, you get a question or two
which is funny, because in Referring, no you dont. Unless its after the game in a press conference.
Different scenario
The ref is there, in the cage, rubbing shoulder with the interviewer. They are eventually questioned (why not get it directly then and there). THey should be, though.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why has it never happened in boxing?
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Larry Merchant has questioned boxers.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
The ref from the Floyd fight did answer questions immediately after the fights.
And his answers are all over the internet. Google ’em.
Overeem is sexy and he knows it.
I've definitely seen Mills Lane interviewed in the ring as well.
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by ViolentMike on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
easy answer Ulf...it NEVER happens
someone please give me a case in another sport where we got any sort of immediate statement from the ref after a call
Precedent not needed.
Forcing it to be a standard, and complaining when it does happen are different.
A spade was asked why he was a spade, nicely, and didn’t have much to say in defense of his actions.
Human error is expected, but expected is (should) also being asked about said error.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Human error is expected, but expected is (should) also being asked about said error.
says who? like is said, MMA is a new sport, and there is already a precedent set as to how we deal with refs…MMA doesnt make up new standards when it comes to reffing
MMA doesnt make up new standards when it comes to reffing
No, not mixed-martial-arts, the people with the gumption (smile a little, like when the title of a movie gets said in the movie) to say something.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it Newfie
Are you saying since hockey refs don’t get interviewed, UFC refs can’t be interviewed? Because hockey set a precedent?
That makes zero sense.
Overeem is sexy and he knows it.
It never happens? ?
I guess every1 missed the mayweather Ortiz fight & the B hop fight that recently got over turned when the refs were questioned just like Rogan did.
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because normally they will go back, look at the play, then issue a statement
you guys need to watch and play more sports to really appreciate how insane and dumb this was. i couldnt believe what i was seeing
Joe Rogans job is to question shit calls
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Cali
You made my day. I love hearing words like “Gumption” used in a headline. Bravo.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Thank you, for a mere 3 Washington's ill sign my exclusivity rights over and you can front page it
I’ve always like Westerns, a breeding ground for gumption.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
says the guy who posted a picture of himself wearing a hat and sunglasses...
you and stinky…The Queens of Gumption.
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Says the guy who posted a picture of himself
do dark and obscure you couldn’t tell if he was actually Eastwood or not.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
You can be my queen if you know what I mean...
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I never saw yours
I am going to continue to think of you as a Latino guy.
Fighters fight. Snitches Snitch.
lmao
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Rogan expressed his opinion, not that bad.
Putting the ref up to an interview may have been a little wild but hey, Joe Rogan doesn’t care. I was waiting on this fanpost lol
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well that front pager took the steam, but it's okay
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
well that front pager took the steam, but it’s okay
I would have used this, but I had no idea it was about Rogan based on the headline. I didn’t even open it until after lunch just to cheer your “gumption.”
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by Jesse Holland on Jan 16, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well that does me feel warm and fuzzy.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Questionable calls need to be clarified
It isn’t church…..you should be able to question what just happened, without impartiality beung questioned.
I’ve heard Dana call out refs. I don’t WANT Zuffa controlling refs. I also don’t want NBA style, where you take a fine for calling down the ref.
If Joe Rogan should be in trouble, what abvout King Mo last week, calling the ref a joke?
Mario was asked a reasonable question. He answered.
No big deal.
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by Scottidog on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They shoudl get clarified by the governing body of the ref, like in every real sport on this planet.
not by some two-bit announcer in the cage looking for shock value.
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It's not as if Joe could overturn it
Or Mario is above reproach.
He just asked him to clarify the salient points. I don’t see why it’s wrong to question a ref
Is it better when Dana calls the guy a hack at a post fight presser?
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by Scottidog on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
some of us don't excuse dana either
dude is a clown
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
im not trying to pester you. does that mean you sent it or have made some arrangement?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok thanks.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Massagatti != Yamasaki
hard to take the rest of the entry seriously after that
pride never die.
what's that now?
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Mario is usually solid, and a referee of choice (as if there is one unless you are Brock Lesnar—may he RIP) for fighters.
pride never die.
What's the problem?
Mario is a solid choice for fighters AS IF THERE IS ONE UNLESS YOUR BROCK LESNAR (ie when he barred Massagatti, ie eliminating a potential ref).
I was not inserting Mario as the ref in the Brock fight.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Rogan is a fucking idiot and shows total disregard for other people
not only did he put UFC’s own Regulations dept in the spotlight, he also hurt Mario’s financees twice.
Mario will now be black balled by the UFC (just ask Big John) but also Mario will lose potential students in his BJJ academies.
Rogan is an idiot and i really hope he gets fired over this. He’s turning this shit into the WWE with his stupid calls on transitions & submissions that aren’t there and his overhyping of shit in order to sell a few more ppvs.
pride never die.
relax
Rogan’s the voice of the UFC and they will never part with him. The guy is the best colour commentator in the sport without a doubt. And you know what I love most about him, he’s not afraid to call people out.
You think he over-hypes shit? He promotes the interesting factors in all events, even the shitty ones. That’s not overhyping. Overhyping is what you get when you listen to Frank Shamrock, Gus Johnson, and Mauro Ranaullo doing a Strikeforce PPV.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
I used to be a Rogan fan but I am really sick of his schtick. OOOOH MAANNNN and WOOOOOW are really wearing thin. Every submission is deep and close to being finished, no matter what. He seems to actually be getting worse at calling what he sees in the cage.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Rogan is the man. That callout was awesome.
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Hey, a supporter
there we go!
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
all refs/officials/judges should me made available for questioning after any and all sporting events.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But they should be
hence my support (;
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
ROGAN IS THE MAN
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions
can you use any gif in a fanpost as long as you give credit??
also, what about photos? Can you only use AP or Getty images??
any photo/video/gif can be used
as far as giving credit, it’s nice, but in this case I was simply to lazy to delete the links that were automatically there from copy/paste.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
mma-core has a ton
type in whatever you’re looking for and add “gif” to it, you’ll surely find something, shirly.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good job Cali.
I’ve changed my mind 10 times already on this subject. It’s like one of those 3-D drawings, sometimes I see illegal strikes in the replay images, sometimes I don’t. I wouldn’t want to be a referee in any sport, least of all mma.
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Thanks Yanster
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
This article, while a good exercise in freedom of speech, is ridiculous.
The fact that you try so hard to defend Rogan only shows that he has done something wrong. It’s fine to say the stoppage was controversial, it’s fine to say it was questionable. But to put Mario on the spot like that is unprofessional, and if you don’t think so, well then, you’re only looking at it from Joe Rogan’s perspctive.
Joe Rogan is a mediocre commentator at best. I wonder how he would feel if Pat Miletich cut him off mid-sentence and basically called him out for doing his job all wrong, I wonder how humble and receptive Joe would be to that. He wouldn’t because Rogan isfalling more into the delusion that he is actually important (the same delusion Dana White suffers from).
Mario has a legitimately tough job, and he’s been doing it well enough that he deserves at least one “pass”. Why doesn’t Joe, if he’s such a “man” and so brazenly disregarding of authority, ask Dana White why he cut Nate Marquardt for HGH, but not Chael Sonnen?
If he cares sooo much about the young careers of Erik Silva, why doesn’t he go ask Lorenzo Fertitta in front of a crowd why he is getting $5 to fight? Because those are his homeboys, and because Joe is not “the man”, or impartial as you say, but because he is a self-aggrandizing douchebag who kisses his friends asses, picks on people when it’s convenient and claims to be defending the interests of the fighters.
I used to dig this site because it used to be frequented by reasonable people who liked sharing their points of view, but lately it’s hard coming on here to have to hear people say “don’t be sheople, think for yourself”, only to follow with how Dana White, Joe Rogan and company are the most ground-breaking awesome people ever. It’s sad and ironic.
I am looking at it from a myriad of views that have been discussed.
Doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.
Defending Joe proves he was in the wrong? What kind of theorizing is that; I hope you’re never in need of a defense attorney running around with that idea conjured up in your head.
Joe is a much better commentator than Pat; he is the best in the game, currently. But that is all irregardless of the situation and post in general. There is no bias on my end simply because it’s Joe Rogan, I would defend anyone who made the same call.
Forgiving Mario and giving him “a pass” is not the subject, either. Joe asking him why he made the call that he did (ie not brow beating him) is of no harm.
I won’t even address your last paragraph.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
so, of course, you must now grow a pair
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
From what Unambig told us it's expensive here in the states
i’d recommend hitting up vhw for cheaper solutions south of the border.
(yes that was my way of bashing three people who are on opposing sides of my own)
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by *Californication* on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
If you have Rogan's phone number
Just call him and ask if I can borrow whichever animal genitalia he’ll have contestants eating on next week’s Fear factor
All I got from that post is
I dont like Joe Rogan, I dont like Joe Rogan, I dont like Joe rogan and I dont like Dana white. We get it, now give us the arguments. You are just shitting on Joes character and not what essentially was wrong with his actions. I happen to think Joe is awesome and he’s the first person to admit to his faults. If you dispute that you haven’t heard him personally point out those faults multiple times on his podcast.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
First of all, there is no such word as "irregardless"
It’s just “regardless”. Secondly, spinning my point does not make it wrong. Defending him does not prove he is wrong, and that is not my point. It is the manner in which people find it necessary to defend. So if I disagree, I need to “grow a pair”?
So instead of being professional and considerate, we should all just grow a pair and be assholes who hold our own opinions above others? That’s not how I roll.
And I would welcome you to address my last paragraph. I always welcome other peoples points of view. And I will do it without telling you to grow some balls if you happen to disagree.
It's informal but still acceptable usage the majority of the time when adding emphasis.
irregardless, i’ll continue.
Im spinning your words? Who said this?
The fact that you try so hard to defend Rogan only shows that he has done something wrong.
and then this
Defending him does not prove he is wrong,
What is your point.
You don’t need to “grow a pair” for disagreeing, you need to “grow a pair” for nitpicking “grow a pair” in the context it was used in relation to the post as a whole.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
As I outlined before
it’s about the verocity of the defence, like Joe is a victim for getting backlash. He started shit, so let him deal with the consequences for it. Plain and simple.
You missed the entire principle of my post I feel
Joe was right for opening his and calling a spade a spade. Society in general needs to, more. Watch a Primetime: What would you do (as I referenced in the post). It drives me insane how noone says or questions anything in day to day life. Symbolism.
I appreciate your post(s), though. If you’re not visiting Mania as much where are you now adays?
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by *Californication* on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
As I said Cali, I respect everyone's opinion, including yours
And I am all for critical thinking. But I have an issue with critical thinking being used as a term for what Rogan did. I think Joe Rogan speaks his mind, however, not everything that comes out of his mouth is worth even giving the time of day.
I have a lot of respect for Joe in that he called out Carlos Mencia for stealing peoples’ jokes. As a comedian (though not one whose material I like at all), Joe had the right to call out Carlos for stealing his friends’ bits. That was one person blatantly and maliciously stealing other peoples hard work.
Mario’s case is different. Mario gets it right 95% of the time. He’s a good ref. He’s a ref who loves the sport and even said he would love to help build a commission in Brasil or other parts of the world. He made a mistake. Joe could have commented on it, but even then, Joe has never done the job, so he should have just kept his mouth shut.
That’s how I feel. I still love this site and I apologize if I came across a bit strong initially. However, I’m not on Mania as often because I’m usually checking out Black Fly and The Kimbo Chronicles.
However, I’m not on Mania as often because I’m usually checking out Black Fly and The Kimbo Chronicles.
Now you’re just fucking with me.
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by *Californication* on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Judo, I am far from a Rogan fan. I think he tends to hyperbolize a lot of things in the octagon and tends to lean on the same cliches. That being said, I had no problem with him asking Mario about what he saw.
He was not blatantly badgering Mario or insulting him. And, unless someone can whip up a copy of Rogan’s contract (which would outline his responsibilities) and prove otherwise – he was in the right to call out Mario.
You know what Mario should have done? Refused to interview.
I can’t blame any blame on Rogan for this one.
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by ShivanTiger on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome Californication...
that’s what Im talking about ‘strikezone’…. I was asking for a head and chalk outline all saturday night….ty for bringing that over Cali.
If that’s the official strikezone, then those were legal shots, personally I’d like to see the strikezone changed to not go above the ear. Until that time, yamasaki is wrong
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I gave u a record there Cali
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
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I mean... recommend...
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
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thanks bud
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by *Californication* on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
Joe's the fucking man.
This post is the fucking shit.
I just fucking rec’d it to the top.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Awesome!
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by *Californication* on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
i have one problem with this article
U implied that Yamasaki is good at his job… he is god awful. i called it before one of the fights that he wud fuck up and surprise surprise he did. lol Rogan is the man, good write up Cali
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don’t forget that Mario didn’t have to answer any questions posed to him. He chose to answer.
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i just said that up top man...you are right...joe can ask whatever he wants....mazzi is the one who shouldnt have been close to a mic, and should have not answered
or at least said “i made my call, my call is my call”
People people
Just do what you did when Jones was DQ’d…
Say it was intentional and that he deserved to get disqualified
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i think he has learned from his many mistakes and doing his job well now, meaning you dont even notice him anymore.
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