Report: UFC officially cuts Anthony Johnson
by Jesse Holland on Jan 16, 2012 12:48 PM EST
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Probably wasn't hard to see this one coming.
Following his submission loss to Vitor Belfort last Saturday night (Jan. 14, 2012) at the HSBC Arena in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) has officially released Anthony Johnson from his ZUFFA contract.
That's according to a report from ESPN correspondent Franklin McNeil.
Johnson failed to make weight for his UFC 142: "Aldo vs. Mendes" co-main event against "The Phenom," tipping the scale at a whopping 197-pounds, a full 11 pounds over the 186-pound contractual limit.
It was the third time "Rumble" missed weight in his UFC career. The first came against Rich Clementi at UFC 76 and then again opposite Yoshiyuki Yoshida at UFC 104.
And as Dana White told FUEL TV, three strikes and you're out.
"Three strikes and you're out. This is his third time that he hasn't made weight. He's the co-main event in a huge fight down here in Brazil and this one was a bad one. Rumble Johnson did the damage to himself. To be that unprofessional and not come in on weight, and to be that far off when you used to fight at 170, now you went to 185 pounds so you wouldn't have trouble making weight, and this is your worst weight cut ever? That's at a detriment to himself."
Johnson claims he was on target for his middleweight debut, until his body betrayed him just hours before hitting the scale. On the advice of attending physicians, he rehydrated to preserve his health at the expense of making weight.
Belfort agreed to proceed as planned and gave Johnson a stipulation of making 205-pounds by fight night, for which he did. It kept the co-main event intact and allowed the Brazilian to get his revenge the good, old-fashioned way.
By winning.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions
“Three strikes and you’re out.”
Unless you are Alves or Hardy. You can lose or fuck up as much as you want and still be employed. Or Fitch. 2nd loss in the UFC and back to the pit of irrelevancy.
Signed,
I Pick and Choose Who I Punish
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
I'm pretty sure the
“f* all yall” statement Johnson basically made after the weigh in didn’t help his case..
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
^This
Johnson is a fool. If he wasnt trying to cut so much water weight, he would have been fine. He needs to learn to manage his body mass better
I can’t believe Rumble used to be a wrestler. Shouldn’t he have learned this weight cutting thing already?
by Snake_Pliskan on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You can't really compare weight cutting in MMA and Wrestling
In wrestling you weigh in the day of the match. For duals, you are usually weighing in a few hours prior to the match. You don’t have 24+ hours to rehydrate, so rarely are you pulling 20- 30 lbs. The cuts in wrestling aren’t as extreme as what a lot of fighters seem to be doing.
But I do get what your saying
With his wrestling and mma background, he should at least know what to expect in a weight cut.
Cutting weight for wrestling is much harder than for MMA. Just cause it’s a same day weigh in doesn’t mean that guys aren’t cutting massive weight.
I am just speaking from experience
But I agree to an extent. When there are two duals in a week, and a tournament on Saturday, it is extremely difficult to maintain the weight for an entire week. Plus, my definition of weight cut is likely different than a fighters. For instance, Off season, my walk aroung weight was approx 175. During the season (practicing and training 5 days a week) weight would be around 160ish. Cut was to 145, so my definition of cut would be 15 lbs from trainig weight to weihg in weight. I don’t know if a fighter considers cut from a walk around weight or training weight. I could say I cut 30 lbs from 175 to 145, but after 3 weeks in, my walk around weight would never go above 162 throughout the season.
That’s insane. Wrestlers generally always have problems due to their weight cutting days.
Look at how many wrestlers get damaged from their weight cuts, now look at who gets damaged for MMA. Hardly anyone. Except for the idiots thinking it’s ok to cut 15-20% of your body weight. That shit is insane.
You shouldn’t have to cut more than 10-15 lbs. If you do, stop being a pussy and fight people your own size, or stop being lazy and eat properly.
20-30 lb cuts are just not needed it.
I agree
I have had wicked acid reflux my whole life and blame weight cutting. Not sure if that’s the cause, but that’s what I blame. The problem is everybody does it. So if I didn’t, I would be wrestling 185 lb guys, in a 167 lb weight division. My whole thought process was, I am in a lower middle class family, my folks don’t have money for college, this is my ticket to an education etc. I ended up getting a very small scholarship to basically be a practice dummy that I only took advantage of for a semester. In hind sight, wasn’t worth it.
If you have the drive to succeed at wrestling like you said
you have the drive to graduate with a 4.0, which will be well worht the $40,000 you will need to borrow to go to a solid state univeristy.
Or move tto Florida for a year, establish residency, and go for basically free.
College graduates make roughly $1million dollars more over a working career compared to non-degreed high school graduates.
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That’s the biggest problem with weight cutting. Everyone is doing it, and you get the thought of being left behind, and it doesn’t leave you.
I think there’s a science to a proper weight cut and not hurting yourself.
I think when you see guys like Clay Guida , Jim Miller you are seeing proper weight cuts.
But then again, look at Ben Henderson, who just barely makes the cut, and look his he keeps up cardio wise. He’s not really getting any disadvantage.
So you can’t be perfect. But I rather be Jim and Clay and get outsized once in a while, and not have to worry about my health in the long run.
Guida doesnt cut weight
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
I think cutting for an entire season is far tougher on the body, I would play football at above 160 and then have to get to 145 in the season, and stay there. So your body is constantly depleted and you are always worried about getting hurt. Practice and then conditioning/weight training were just draining. In mma you are cutting to make weight for a matter of minutes, then you can rehydrate and get back to weight.
When you have weekend meets as well as league dual matches in week – going up and down – Johnson should know how to do this.
There are guys who cut 30-40 lbs like Tito, and he doesn’t miss, because he is a professional.
I now what you mean
Get weight up for football, drop down for wrestling. I eventually just quit playing football. I got to be too small to be competitive. The hardest part about cutting weight for me was going to class and having a decent attitude. I am typically a decent dude, but everybody is a little grumpy when their hungry….. or absolutely starving.
Also
I guess you and P123, along with info from my self, proved my initial point wrong. Cutting weight for wrestling is way tougher now that i think about it.
Especially
as young as some wrestlers start doing it. I maintained a certain weight up until high school. Then starting cutting at that point (around 15 yrs old). Some start cutting weight much earlier than that.
most I ever cut in HS was about 5 lbs.
I definitely faced some dudes a good bit bigger, but I always practiced guys that were in higher weight classes too and so i didn’t really care. I wasn’t gonna walk around hungry all the time. It didn’t hurt me too much.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
And that’s not to say that weight cutting for MMA is not terrible. When your cutting 20 + pounds, your an insane freak of nature who doesn’t care about his life and is too pussy to fight someone your own size or too lazy to be at the proper weight through reasonable methods.
But yea, a regular MMA cut , should be nothing compared to a wrestling cut.
Yup...Alves has tested positive for a banned substance and missed weight in the UFC twice...
But he still has his job…
And Anthony Johnson moved up to take a really big fight….he took a risk, failed but still did something good for the UFC…sorta
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Here's the issue that I have with it
They gave him an extra 15 lbs… he got to keep an extra 15 lbs on and he still misses weight by 11-12 lbs??? Alves got caught with a diuretic and yes he’s another guy that’s had problems missing weight but he’s never missed by a ridiculous amount like that and he’s never issued a statement after the fact to the effect of “Get fucked, I did what had to be done.”
I live in America! Land of the coward, home of the slave. Watch that TV, go to that football game, that circus, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and other mainstream media are not owned by large corporations, they are always honest and fair and they never lie to you. Whatever you do don't read history books, don't study the constitution, do everything you can possibly do to be happy in life. Just don't ever get involved in your government, big brother will take care of you. Your elected officials always do what's in your best interest, there is no corruption in our government, good little sheep, just make yourself happy, just entertain yourself, the government is only here to entertain you and take care of you and feed you and make you happy, don't you worry your little head over world affairs.
by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
If the weigh ins were earlier in the day he would have missed weight by 1.5lbs
And he said “fuck the fans” because he knew the reason as to why he weighed 198lbs but everyone else criticized him harshly before they knew anything
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
IMO there's no excuse
The criticism is warranted, how do you put yourself in a life threatening position when you get an extra 15 lbs more than you normally do?? As a professional that does this for a living, I don’t see where anyone could make a good case for him.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah right….“he knew the reason”…….he B.S.’d some mysterious sickness that caused him to lose sensation in his legs and played that sympathy card. That sickness turned out to be just another farked up weight cut by the master of farked up weight cuts.
by Snake_Pliskan on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to being a professional.
Most the time fans aren’t gonna know the real reason, that’s why you should be quiet and go about your business
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well Hardy is entertaining. Considering this is sport entertainment, Hardy is not necessarily in the wrong for losing exciting fights.
Johnson’s weight issue are real risky, he could potentially hurt a show badly.
Entertaining for who?
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Well for one, the owner. Who’s probably the most important person to please with your fighting style.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I thought the weekend was over...
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
I guarantee Lorenzo got a seriously wicked knob job from Hardy at some point
For him to still have his job.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Has little to do with kissing ass. Lorenzo can have anyone kiss his ass or suck his cock, some weird guy with a mohawk ain’t really moving the needle here.
Hardy, has several things going for him. He’s pretty good at running his mouth, selling his fights, HE IS BRITISH, which we all know is a major factor in the UFC , don’t believe me? Just look at Michael Bisping’s salary.
And Hardy comes to put on stand up wars.
Hardy could suck Lorenzo’s cock all he wants, but if he was a boring American, he absolutely would not have a job right now.
They'd be a lot better off replacing him with Paul Daley, it's about time to forgive him anyway
I honestly don’t see why Dan’s not in SF yet fighting Joe Riggs and Evangilista. He got dominated by Rumble, KO’d by Condit and subbed by Lytle. I’ll overlook the GSP fight cause it’s GSP but Hardy’s recent losing streak is pretty bad. The only fight he was even competitive in was the Lytle fight and Chris hung up the gloves after that one.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Daley has missed weight 5 out of his 11 , and caused an unprecedented stain on the UFC’s name, as well as his overall behaviour being less than amiable, and Paul is never coming back.
Chris hanging up his gloves after the fight has nothing to do with him not being able to compete, so that was not really relevant.
Chris was pretty busted up
And he even said himself he was feeling his age. What did he have right before that fight? O yea, another surgery. If it helps you sleep at night to think Hardy lost to the best Chris Lytle you’ve ever seen step into the octagon, be my guest.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well Chris has been in multiple wars. It’s quite possible that was just as good as Chris Lytle has ever been, or perhaps better than ever.
Chris main reason for retiring was to spend more time with his family. Not that he couldn’t compete anymore. You trying to potray somehting that’s not there.
Chris was having his best run of his career, except for that fight with fuck his name alludes me, the Australian last minute replacement who turned out to be pretty damn good. Chris came back from an ACL injury too soon and it showed in that fight.
Your just being ridiculous right now. Chris Lytle has looked really good over the last couple of years, just because you don’t like Dan Hardy doesn’t change that.
He had just lost to Ebersole
Chris Lytle started fighting in 1999 as a professional, he was 36 yrs old, 4 days away from 37 years old when he beat Dan Hardy last year. That was his 54th fight. If you honestly think that his age and the dmg he’d taken over a period of 12 years in a combat sport were a non issue, then you’re the one that’s being ridiculous.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
And Daley's an exciting KO artist
When that guy touches someone on the chin they go to sleep and they go to sleep violently. I’ve seen way more Daley fights that I’ve enjoyed a lot more than any Hardy fight I’ve ever watched.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Even you had to like the Condit KO
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Haha! OD gets it.
"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3)
Sans Rumble's fight with Hardy, I find Rumble to be a much more exciting fighter
Hardy can’t bust a grape while Rumble can KO an elephant.
A pinner ain't never hurt nobody!
Both Dana and Lorenzo have said they love the way that Hardy fights, so his losing 4 in a row and not being cut can be explained.
Alves, I have no idea what you are talking about, he never lost 3 in a row.
Johnson’s not making weight 3 times, and missing each time BADLY, coupled with his attitude (as O damn mentions), was the real reason he got cut. Plain and simple.
Set him up with Marquardt
You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
12/22/11
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions
This. Winner gets back in.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Hell
bring them both back under the UFC banner in a loser gets cut match lol. I like the idea of those two scrapping though.
\m/
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Marquardt is at 170 now
Rumble at 185.
Who’d a thunk that?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
I would bet Nate still does TRT
otherwise he would n’t be fighting at all.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Nate got released from his BAMMA contract for some reason
he was 0-0-0 with them lol
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
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LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Nate's decision to leave
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
think it was a mutual agreement
bit of a weird decision though without even fighting
What did you think id look like...
be honest aha - Me
I pictured you as a mid size fair skinned englishman
Not this furry majestic stack of pancakes - Scottidog
LMAO
by Rampagelangford on Jan 16, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
they couldn't provide the roids for him
and he couldn’t be great for them, thus the break up
pride never die.
they kept pushing back his fight.supposed to fight last nov or dec then got pushed to feb then april
they agreed to release him from his contract b/c he couldn’t get a fight right now
by Johnny Ballgame on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing to do with Nate the Great, but your sig
“do everything you can possibly do to be happy in life.”
My reaction: “Well, that’s kinda what I showed up for in the first place…”
Agreed with the UFC. Too much is too much. JOhnson-Lombard please.
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Lombard would grease his ass
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He'd be the first guy to beat AJ Via strikes or finish him in the latter rounds by submission.
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow didn’t even think of that match up set that shit up
by Cerrone's sombrero on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way does Bellator pick Johnson up. Johnson is going to have to make weight three times in a row before he gets another contract.
Rumble is a name
Bellator lacks names.
They will look to sign him.
A pinner ain't never hurt nobody!
I’d sig bet that. No way does Bellator pick him up immediately. And for what? To be a legit threat to their long standing popular champion? No way man.
So now you are saying that they won't sign him because he is a "legit threat to their long standing popular champion" rather than saying that the reason for not signing is weight issues.
A pinner ain't never hurt nobody!
I used that to add on, not to replace my original idea. This is how it was intended to be viewed.
Johnson weight issues make him unattractive to Bellator, who have shown to not just subject themselves to be UFC garbage pickers all the time. ALSO, for what purpose is Johnson wanted? A fight in which he has a real good chance to beat their champion Lombard, who is a mainstay, and the company is happy with his consistently good performance?
I just don’t see how signing Johnson right now, is a smart move for Bellator as a company.
If Johnson can get him weight down, perhaps just make weight 2 fights in a row, then maybe they pick him up.
Only time will tell, so my thoughts are irrelevant, if Johnson gets singed by Bellator tmrw, I’ll be in the thread and bring it up that I was wrong.
I just don’t think Rumble is as attractive as people make him out to be, he really doesn’t got much going for him other than being huge, due to massive weight cutting, which kills his cardio, and causes him to have weight making issues. He’s athletic as fuck, strong, fast etc, but his skill set is not otherworldly, he has potential to be a champion if he got his issues down, but it’s not like A Silva is hitting the open market here.
he has really good wrestling and can KO people instantly. Not to mention name recognition.
that’s normally considered pretty attractive qualtities for a pro fighter.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
He should just come out and say
“I thought the cut would be easy compared to 170, I didn’t do shit to prepare for it at all and almost killed myself trying to cut all that weight at the last minute.”
I live in America! Land of the coward, home of the slave. Watch that TV, go to that football game, that circus, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and other mainstream media are not owned by large corporations, they are always honest and fair and they never lie to you. Whatever you do don't read history books, don't study the constitution, do everything you can possibly do to be happy in life. Just don't ever get involved in your government, big brother will take care of you. Your elected officials always do what's in your best interest, there is no corruption in our government, good little sheep, just make yourself happy, just entertain yourself, the government is only here to entertain you and take care of you and feed you and make you happy, don't you worry your little head over world affairs.
by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions
yup
thats about the size of it Should also agree to fight at 205 from now on because the dude is the same size as Tito and its just damn ridiculous that he’s trashing his kidneys to weigh a lot less for 24 hours
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about 205, I think he's big enough for it but he doesn't have to fight at 205
185 on the other hand, that should be easy for a guy that should be used to cutting to 170.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think his body doesn't dehydrate properly anymore
For health reasons alone he should fight at 205 and diet.
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well Johnson’s going to pay for all this mass weight cutting with health problems later on his life. I guess he’s so scared to fight someone around his own size, he rather risk his life, and surely knock years off of his life just so he doesn’t wet himself.
Johnson is as pussy as you can get for being a fighter.
It's incredible and just shocking that a dude that big chooses to fight at 170
I don’t get it, especially as MW (until the last 18 months) was always a much weaker div than 170
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He could've been a top guy at MW
Really blew it this time.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
You think SF will sign him or is he a Zuffa outcast?
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
No way does SF pick him up. Johnson has to make weight like 3 times in a row for any major org to pick him up IMO. He’s gotta go bottom of the barrel. And he might get exposed down there as well.
AJ doesn't have a lot of money, he's gonna really struggle
I wonder if his sponsors stand by him…
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
He'll lose some
But he’ll be main event material in any org outside of the UFC and SF. I don’t see him going to SF only because Zuffa owns them now. I expect to see him in Shark Fights or something like Ring of Fire. I can’t see him going over seas and don’t see him going to Bellator although that’s a possibility.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, Shark Fights or another place like that for a little while, then maybe Bellator tries to pick him up.
Johnson really needs to work on his skills, and not worry about cutting so much weight. If Johnson put in the next couple of years to do skill work, stayed on a diet, and got disciplined, he could be a force in any freaking division WW and above. Including HW.
If he goes to Bellator he'll never go back to Zuffa again
Defo gonna end up on the Phil Baroni circuit
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
That’s something Johnson needs to consider. He’s very well liked by the UFC, we all know this, he just needs to get his act together and he will be back.
3 fights at Shark Fights, he needs dominant KO’s and he needs to be fighting at LHW.
Enough of this massive weight cutting shit. Man up. Work on your skills.
agree
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson has to make weight like 3 times in a row for any major org to pick him up
HUH??? What other orgs do you even consider to be “major” other than the UFC? I’d only suggest DREAM but they have been on the way out the past couple years.
A pinner ain't never hurt nobody!
Strikeforce , Bellator , UFC, is what I consider major orgs.
Dream is done. I don’t think country bumpkin Johnson is going overseas personally.
Yeah, I don't think he would go over there either.
Since Zuffa owns both UFC and Strikeforce, while the two exist, UFC will always be the major leagues and Stirkeforce will be the minor leagues. They have already established that by bringing over all of their top fighters minus Gilbert.
And regarding Bellator, I do not consider them to be a major org. Maybe that can take off this year with the Spike deal, but I’d need to see it before calling them a major org.
Major orgs in the fight game have Pay Per Views. Bellator can’t sell a PPV.
A pinner ain't never hurt nobody!
Ok, I’m cool with that. I guess my position sees them as that, as I have all three on my radar, as in I will actually watch fights from all three.
I think Bellator and SF are on par with each other somewhat, but for them to be perfect equals, probably need that Spike deal to go through so your right on that.
But I’m more speaking as a fan who spends his time posting on the internet about this sport. What we consider major / minor, seems to be different than others.
Point being, Bellator is well known, people on this site will actually watch at least some of their good fights etc.
Anyway, point taken.
Some reports stated that AJ was at 215 two weeks out from the fight...that's 30lbs to drop in two weeks...
regardless, everybody who’s wanting to give him a break because the docs made him stop cutting are missing the point — you don’t start the weight cut on the day of the weigh-ins. You start months out. AJ has problems with self-discipline. He got a taste of success, it went to his head and he got classic case of too-big-for-his-britches. He needs to grow the eff up and get his head in order before it’s too late. You can’t fight forever and it’s even more uncommon to hit the rarefied air of the UFC. He’s gonna completely blow it if he doesn’t get his crap together.
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Daaaaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnnnn
Johnson messed up bigtime.
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions
He'll be back if he gets his act together
It’s not like he can’t win fights, he just has to get this weight thing under control.
BUT...
can he win fights where he doesn’t have a huge size advantage?
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Think he means the height/reach advantage he got in every fight he took at 170
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's horrible
I can understand him missing weight by a couple lbs on his first cut to 185 but 11-12 lbs is ridiculous. There’s just no excuse for that.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
lol
It would make more sense to me if a fighter’s moving down a weight class, but coming up? I just can’t get my mind around that one.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He cut too late from what I figure
and then F’d himself going to hard, hence the Dr. stepping in. It was all downhill from there.
also tried to put on too much muscle in his move to mw. Should've just stayed the same size he was and it wouldn't have been so hard
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where's his coach, why is there no order at the blackzillian camp.
Its kinda unprofessional not to help each other out.
"So we finish 18 and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, 'Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.' And he says, 'Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.' So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Bye Bye giggling cheater!
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How is he cheating
I see it more as a lack of professionalism
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
True
but “bye bye giggling unprofessional” doesn’t have the same ring to it :(
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The moral of this story is don't be black and mess up in the UFC at the same time
I mean, first Marquardt and now Anthony Johnson…
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Guillard's still in the UFC, and he was a much bigger headcase than AJ is now.
Maybe the message is that Dana White is just as irrational as he is a promoter
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Guillard just messed up one time though
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But you said the moral was don't be black and mess up?
You’re screwing with me Star
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
No I think what he meant to do was quote "The Other Guys".
“Try your hardest not to be black or mexican.” I think that’s where he was going with that.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Marquart is black?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
One of the blackest I've ever seen
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Damn...
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I think his girl is white too
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Yup she is
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
This kinda shit...
is what our grandparents warned us about:
Cross breeding.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
wonder if they would have cut johnson if he wouldn't have lost to the referee oops I mean belfort
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by letter19 on Jan 16, 2012 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Miragliotta definitely didn't want AJ on top lol.
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
hhahaha right
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by letter19 on Jan 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
pic not coming thru..what is it
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by letter19 on Jan 16, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A gif of AJ's intial attack on the ground in Vitor's guard, right after it
where Miragliotta stands Aj up in about 20 seconds
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
cant imagine what fitch would do in that situation
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by letter19 on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They were both getting tired...
AJ could have kept Vitor on his back the entire round…and then they would have both lost in the 2nd…
It sucks though, because that could have been an exciting fight if the ref wasn’t so damn active!!!
That’s not a good win for Vitor…
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
Yeah? There is? Lol
So you have more energy when you’re tired than when you’re gassed?
I hereby declare that Edson Barboza is the true owner of the Showtime Kick
yeah like fighting at 3am in your home town is being tired...
trying to dehydrate and rehydrate yourself over and over to make your body weigh lower than it should and then balloon up – Thats fatigue… very different indeed!
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by Tommy Shenanigans on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions
Are you calling him a pussy?
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no sir
you gotta learn to talk jive yo!
by Tommy Shenanigans on Jan 16, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1rjCZxtxo
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Doubtful. If AJ didn’t get the wake up call fighting on the biggest promotion, he probably will be even lazier and fuck his career up even more. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
I just think he’s too talented not to be in the UFC. Hopefully he’ll turn things around
by Tommy Shenanigans on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1rjCZxtxo
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by Tommy Shenanigans on Jan 16, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
2 months... and he'll be back to the UFC
too much fights to be made… they can’t lose a fighter like Johnson.
I think they'll let him go 2-3 fights outside the UFC before they bring him back.
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by O damn he got caught on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Efrain Escudero treatment
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so. He really burned a bridge here IMO. He missed weight 3 friggin times and set a new record for missing weight after moving UP a weight class, lol. Then after all that, he lashed out, like he was being victimized. Dana doesn’t respond well to that type of stuff. Ask Marquardt , Daley and Duffee. You piss Dana off, he is like the Honey Badger, he don’t give a shit.
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by *Californication* on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck cutting w8!
He shud add on 20lbs. & weigh in @ 265!
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If he was any kind of man he would. If you are a man, and your 6’2, and have an athletic build, you fight at HW.
Johnson at worst should fight at LHW, he is just a pussy who gets over on being a bully.
And he probably could be even more succesful at HW than any other division, no one really has cardio, and he obviously doesn’t have it, his speed will be even more dramaticized with proper explosive training.
AJ is a fucking idiot.
Johnson to 205
My guess is that AJ will take a fight or two at 205 on the regionals
then maybe one at 185
waste half or all of 2012 doing that
then be back into the UFC at 205 or 185
for both classes need challengers badly right now
I think 205 makes sense for AJ. That’s a good fit. He still has to watch his weight even there though. Johnson at a cool 220 – 225 cutting to 205 sounds pretty good.
That would be a perfect fit for him, and his skills and athleticism will all take a boost. He’s fast enough to compete with WW and Vitor Belfort, he’s going to be fast for a LHW, and strong, and still big.
It’s a good fit. And the most glamourized division in the sport, who is thin in talent. It’s a good pick.
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Caome in Fedor,
your next opponent just became available!
Unless you want Duffee first
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by steady2wheels on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Check my profile bitch. I’ve been here for a while, I probably got a good amount of posts. What was the issue with my statement? That Rumble’s skill set is not elite? I’ve been bringing that up before Rumble vs Belfort, and that was the entire reason why I knew Belfort would win.
Johnson’s Jits is pathetic, he gasses quickly, and his hands, really aren’t good. He was legit pulling out rookie movies against Belfort when it came down to straight hands, putting his head down, throwing arm punches, etc, and has had Kevin Burns and Josh Koscheck strike at least on par with him , if not get the better of him.
Rumble just has massive advantages of power , speed, size, which have nothing to do with his skill set, more so, have to do with him being able to implement his limited skill set effectively.
look above… i wasn’t talking to you… i was talking to ‘killgore’… you need yo relax buddy jeez
by steady2wheels on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t fight at 205? He’d still be a force and wouldn’t have the weight problems. He has far too much muscle mass to try and cut smaller.
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Should have cut him and not let him fight
It would have been a better statement.
Oh wait, I forgot… Dana only selectively cuts guys for missing weight – so, he had to have a 2nd excuse to cut him…. Thus, the quick standups.
Well we can’t ruin the card because a little ol issue like people being on weight now can we? Lol.
Rumble should have just showed up at 220 and said fuck it. Lol. That would have been awesome.
Amusing note: that's what Mike Dolce predicted that he would enter the cage at
All we know is that according to official UFC statements, Rumble made 204.2 at noon local time, then 211.6 three hours before the fight.
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