UFC responds to ESPN's Outside The Lines video on fighter pay
by Adam Guillen Jr. on Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM EST
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Right back at ya!
Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) President Dana White said he would be ready to attack the "hack jobs" at ESPN and he wasn't kidding.
In response to ESPN's "Outside The Lines" interview with UFC owner Lorenzo Fertitta, in which he was grilled about the always hot topic that is fighter pay and whether or not the UFC is a monopoly, company President Dana White tweeted this video via his official Twitter account of a clip that was not aired during the ESPN version of the interview.
In the clip, Fertitta defends his fighter pay scale and turns the tables on reporter John Barr, questioning him about the low pay some boxers receive to compete on ESPN boxing events.
It will be very interesting to see the UFC's full version of the interview which Dana White said he would air very soon. You didn't think Fertitta and company were going to sit their with their arms crossed and do nothing, did you?
Check out the clip after the jump.
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ESPN is going to be embarrassed,
but fighter’s still need to be paid a little more.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions
The increase is needed more by the bottom end.
They could double the salary’s of the bottom 1/2 and it wouldn’t make a dent in their profit.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree with you
Drew, I just think with disagree a bit by principle. I also think huge television deals will help take care of that (see all major sports)
One thing that is forgotten is the UFC really is in its infancy especially when it comes to being a profitable company. They were losing millions until the last 8-10 years.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Look at it this way.
I have always felt they have done great things in a very short time, but if they’re not sharing the wealth on par with other major sports then they will not be a major sport. Regardless of how fair it is pay wise, the fact is that the are not attracting the “top athletes”. I want the jocks in highschool to want to be mma stars. I want to truly see the best in the world square off. Having such low minimums and no fighter union is hindering the growth of the sport we love.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think it will change eventually
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it will...
compare how other sports stars got paid back in the day and what they get paid now. Not just will inflation… MMA will get there but I agree it should already be higher than it is.
Legit P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top guys making them look bad for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody in front of him making it look easy)
#3: Aldo (tears up people whenever he's not too cautious)
#4: Edgar (should be fighting at 145 but beats everyone at 155)
#5: GSP (long time champ who can't stop guys that others can in the 1st rd or who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating... hence P4P)
by Hank_Mardukas on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
But, again, the mainstream of the sport is in its infancy. And, guys like Jon jones, are top notch athletes. It takes a little time, but compared to 20 years ago. It is night and day with the athletes. They are getting there, and it will continue to grow. There will always be top notch athletes that will not be attracted to fighting. It takes a certain type of person, not just an athlete.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
What dole is saying is right on
This thing is just getting going. They are doing a great job at taking care of their guys. Look at all the guys who put this thing over: Matt Hughes Rich Franklin Chuck GSP BJ the first few season of TUFF. All of those guys have been well taken care of.
Now the fighters have insurance so if they get hurt training they are covered .
It’s not like the UFC has just held up the finger to the fighters. Are new unknown guys still getting paid like shit? Yes but they get paid better then boxers get paid and they choose this profession knowing that if they can’t get a little steam going and win some fight then they will not make big bucks. It’ a choice
And yes, its the fighters that make the UFC but its the fighters who win and create buzz and those guys are taken care of. The guys with action figures and in the video games those guys are very well paid. The new guys who win fights fall right in and get paid too.
No
It’s a silly Van Halen thing, supposed to be the code police use when they are dealing with a crazy.
AND don't forget
come to find out for a couple of years now the Headliners have been reportedly getting a cut of the PPV. Sharing with the fighters that are putting but’s in the seats and they could have chosen to never do that and just increased their pay instead of making it % based.
Gsp is the best, Anderson silva, jbj too
They all make Anderson silva money, which is supposed to be good. The best will come regardless of money. Desire and self motivation creates the best, money doesn’t drive true athletes or you’d see all fat people in the Olympics because the best won’t compete for free. Sure, the newer guys could get paid a little more but I don’t know why everyone cares about it. Look at the other sports where they go on strike so often. Who was that basketball player who said in a press release how it’s hard to live on 6 million a year and wanted a raise? Is that what we want?
Didn't GSP recetnly say he would be loosing 4 or 5 mil for missing the PPV
I’m just going off of memory here but I remember something of the sort
at the same time that would make the ticket prices go up
by KCmmaBadBoy on Jan 15, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're exactly right.....
Our tickets were $1250 with GSP fighting Diaz and are now $750 with him out and Condit taking his place. I would assume it has to do with demand to, being the card is very weak for a Super Bowl weekend.
It certainly isn’t perfect.
Overall saleries
Does anyone know the percentage of saleries in relation to live gate and ppv buys for each event! was going to compile a list but would take a while, just did 3 real quick:( does not include bonuses)
UFC 132 11%
UFC 131 22%
UFC 130 16%
Not even close to accurate because
It does not take into account PPV cuts and whatnot.
Generally speaking, the UFC pays out between 20-40%. But the exact figures won’t ever be known.
base saleries
sorry forgot to say this was based on base saleries! Those events were in the buyrate of 350K, maybe an average buyrate for ufc ppv! I would love to know how much a ppv provider costs the ufc, and i know this is only assumptition but if you take lets say ufc 131, fighter payout 782,000, live gate was 2,800,000, ppv buys 325000!
If you look at the fighters fighting on that card, who would be able to negotiate a ppv% in their contract, which is typically reserved for big stars/proven ppv draws! Main fighters(in my opinion) on that card dos santos, carwin and florian , would that 3 take a huge cut, keep in mind when coutures contract was made public during his beef with the ufc after the sylvia fight, at that time this is what the UFC paid its big-name fighters for PPV buys:
Less than 100,000 buys: No money
100,000-175,000 buys: $1.00/buy
175,000-300,000 buys: $1.50/buy
300,000-330,000 buys: $2.00/buy
Over 330,000 buys: $3.00/buy
Now in reality dos santos, carwin and florian arent exactly gsp, couture liddell ppv draw caliber, i dont think they would get the same %
Woild it be fair to assume that perhaps the ufc comes away with a profit between 60 and 70% per event?
That scale is no longer used
As Overeem’s contract shows. AO gets $2 per buy past about 23,000 buys.
But I would say the UFC pays out 20-40%. Progit is not really accurate, revenue is a better word. They still have to pay taxes (most markets take the live gate anywhere from 2-10%, but 3-7 is typical) and costs of running the event.
Ideally, I think the UFC should be paying out somewhere in neighborhood of 40%. Now it is fair to point out that non-PPV events see them pay a MUCH higher percentage, some of them actually cost them money. Lytle/Hardy had a payroll greater than the actual gate. There is a television fee being paid, but the UFC is still paying to put the event on.
Overeem got $2 a ppv after 500,000 ppv's...
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
yah that's what i thought
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
If he got $2 after 23000 buys,
he made 1.6+ million dollars for his first UFC fight.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
he made more than that i think
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem scored $385,714.28 for the win, including a $121,428.57 win bonus, and also earned $2 for every pay-per-view buy over $500,000 total revenue as well as a $1 million signing bonus paid over his first three fights with the UFC.
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
quick math
i think he got 1.3 million roughly
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
so i was wrong you where close
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
No it's not $2 after $500,000.
It’s $2 after 500,000 ppv buys.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
thats what i thought too
that cut and paste job is from MMA PAYOUT.com
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
also my math
was at $2 for every ppv buy over 500,000
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
No,
Meltzer confirmed it was $500,000. The legal documents showed he was paid after $500,000 of Zuffa’s PPV revenue (after 500k of their share, not 500k of overall PPV coin).
Ya your right.
Here’s the article if anyone else wants to read it. Overeem got a damn fine deal.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-meltzer_ufc_fighter_pay011312
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
i think we all agree
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
We all do now.
I hadn’t read the article yet, but now that I have, I understand.
Overeem is making that paper.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
What I don't get is
Dana said he thought Brock would beat Alistair and that Alistair was overrated. Why would they give him such a lucrative deal if they thought he was gonna lose his first fight ?
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Nah typical Dana
when you’re not in his company, he talks trash about you. When you decide to be his employer he is your best friend. See Slice, Kimbo
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yah he's a cunt
it makes him look stupid too
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yah
He’s like that Dave dude from Wendys that place just aint the same
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
When Dana dies they’ll turn him into a mascot
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Like mr clean
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
UFC vs ESPN
Who can pay fighters less? Neither of these industry titans pays proper and this PR battle doesn’t help those struggling talents who are the main commodity of the events
I cannot wait to see how this plays out.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Nothing really suprising about this
If you know anything about espn you know they are shit. I hope the new nbc sports channel can compete with them, sick of their crappy ass sports coverage.
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
fail
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
little help
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
I'd still hit it
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
most def
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
Of course. That's how you know they're ripe.
"You should study pokemon to get stronger." -Kazushi Sakuraba
It costs me 275k
To cover 75 percent of 15 employees. Some single, some with families. I can imagine that being fighters the premium is out of this world. Insurance costs are going up every single year.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since it's accident insurance
so car wrecks, falling down the stairs, etc are covered to capture training times they set it up this way
Ha no wonder they left this part out.
If you try to make someone look bad and it back fires, at least have the balls to show it.
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That usually how the media is.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I bet the UFC isn't as profitable as everyone here thinks
I know they have a bunch of debt they sold off, some of which Mark Cuban bought
Nobody mentions
When they took the failing company over. The accepted losing millions of dollars in order to turn this company into an extremely profitable company, which in turn, is allowing fighters, to actually be millionaires, instead of fighting for 1000s of dollars in crappy organizations. They took all the risk.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, Dole.
What kind of business do you run, if you don’t mind me asking.
Welcome to Mania, btw.
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by Scottidog on Jan 15, 2012 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks. I have read mania for a long time now. Love the site
I own a vending company. I put jukeboxes, video games, pool tables, etc. in bars, bowling alleys, etc.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
I bet you have a kickass basement…..lol
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by Scottidog on Jan 15, 2012 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice
You remember one called “8 ball deluxe”?
That was my favorite
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by Scottidog on Jan 15, 2012 10:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
do you do the repairs too?
my favorite is the elvira and terminator pinball machine.
by fosforito11 on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
We do repairs. I am in Ohio. The Elvira pinballs were great.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Terminator was a good one :)
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by Scottidog on Jan 15, 2012 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“lock sequence INITIATED” and then….MULTIBALL!
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 15, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
In my basement
I have: whitewater, world cup soccer, cactus canyon, attack from mars, and theatre of magic.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
envy you
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because im a stud?
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no it wasnt... i know
its ok :)
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I actually
Have about 25 classic pinballs in storage and that is one of them.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
How much could someone pick a coup0le of machines up for?!
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Pinballs
Are actually getting more expensive as the years go by, well at least for the good ones. But for 3-4k you could get a good one. For a lower end one 1-2k. Very hard to get ones can go for 6-10k though.
I don’t put any pinball machines out to make money because they don’t make money anymore. I have either sold them all or have them in storage to keep.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ive been looking for a coin-op tornado fooseball table for a coup of weeks.
I bet you come across them all the time huh dole?
by dragonassault on Jan 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
from the las vegas journal when they sold 10% interest to an Abu Dhabi company dated 2010, but still relevant
Zuffa carries $450 million in debt, including a $25 million credit facility due in 2012 and a $425 million loan due in 2015, according to a November report issued by Moody’s Investors Service. Moody’s, however, said Zuffa’s income, which comes largely from events and pay-per-view receipts, should be sufficient to make its debt payments.
Does this make Zuffa dependent on the PPV model????
http://www.lvrj.com/business/ownership-of-ufc-sells-10-percent-stake-81210472.html
by fosforito11 on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Slaves in the fields made $0/hour
Way to go Lorenzo….you pay barely more than a slave-master.
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Mark Twain (1866 )
Another gem of a comment , bro
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol
sad, but true.
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Mark Twain (1866 )
Espn pays there fighter less
Plus a newcomer who has no name and gets insurance to fight now
A 6/6 deal is good
Win, make a name for yourself and you will be rich in the future
Lose,then make a name for yourself somehwere else
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by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN will try and hide behind the "it's the promoters who pay the fighter's, not espn' line
do i wish the the lower end of the fighter’s pay-scale was higher? yep…. when you take out all the costs to the fighter (money paid to his team for example) the net is pretty pitiful… if he’s injured and out for any length of time then it’s not exactly gonna be payin’ the bills at home, which is why most of those lower-tier guys also have outside jobs. I’m all for honest, investigative journalist, but when you have to reach back to Frank Frickin’ Shamrock as one of your ‘credible’ sources, I’m taking a very, very, skeptical view of whether or not you had any intention of looking at both sides of the issue. When a ‘news’ outlet determines the conclusions before ever doing the investigation, ‘truth’ is never the object.
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
Considering Ken was a part of the UFC since day one who no longer has to kiss ass...
I think he is a fairly credible source.
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
Credible maybe.
But he might be on the bitter side so he shouldn’t be trusted as non bias.
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by Cyclonejoker on Jan 15, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately Ken's credibility doesn't seem all that supportable
i would expect that in the years since Ken first started complaining (this isn’t news, in terms Ken, by the way) there’d be a decent amount of people coming to his defense - but there hasn’t been at all. I find that curious. He also was a part of the UFC pre-Fertitas/White and he was on the decline/end of his career when things started to finally take off a bit for the organization. That meant he was on the outside of all that money -- money he wasn’t entitled to and that’s just the breaks. There are legends, hall of famer’s, in every sport who were paid absolute peanuts for their day relative to other wage earners. Super high wages for athletes is a relatively recent occurrence (as in the least 30 years). I’m not giving the UFC a pass but I also believe that their financial success is in it’s infancy - they haven’t even had one decade of profitability yet.
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
eff it.... i give up posting...hopefully someone can read through the inadvertent strike-thru
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
I thought it was like meant to be there as if you were trying to say something different... man i read into that a lot more than i should have
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Ken did make some big money with his Tito fights.
Between the second and third fights, he made 2-4 million.
it's been strongly suggested that those fights with tito - particularly coaching TUF (if you can call it coaching) and
the last fight were a ‘gift’ of sorts… it’s obvious to anyone watching that Ken was way past his sell-by date. He didn’t give a damn about coaching. It seemed to be all about trying to resurrect and promote his name, his brand, so he could make more money off of whatever he was going to try next. The fact is, he was a pioneer in the sport but was just a little to early to make long term, big money off it all. None of this even takes into consideration his failed lawsuit against the UFC which he not only lost but was ordered to pay for the UFC’s fees and costs – money he still owes. To be honest, I find Ken almost a sad and cautionary tale. It’s as if he had nothing else in his life other than fighting. Do I respect what he brought to the sport during the time he was fighting? Absolutely. But he has context within a certain time and place. He’s not owed anything. I just can’t find him credible. Add this to the fact that the ESPN piece left out interviews that would have provided a counterpoint to their apparent predetermined conclusion stains the report’s credibility even if the issue in general (which has been raised by fans long before this report) is of valid concern.
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
Hahahaha
Ken shamrock credible? Get a clue kid. Do some homework. He has a long-standing grudge with the ufc.
by MMA Boss on Jan 16, 2012 5:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly my point
he has a very long standing grudge including filing a lawsuit that failed miserably leaving Mr. Shamrock with even more debt. If he’s the leading ‘source’ for the ESPN piece then I seriously have to question the integrity of ESPN in doing this piece. As I’ve already said, it sounds like they had a conclusion to the story already in mind and whatever didn’t fit, was either left out or massaged.
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
grrr...I meant Ken Shamrock.....
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
I think the pay will improve
The is sport new and if you want to believe or not they do put money back into the sport. We don’t know how much they spend expanding to different countries and lobbying for different states. Once the sport is seen as normal as the nfl or nba the pay will improve. Changing people’s perception takes time and money.
by constant on Jan 15, 2012 9:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think
Everyone should let the free market dictate fighter pay. Individual negotiations, etc.
Look, honestly, I never thought they would have gotten health insurance without a union. The UFC gave it to them… Without any pressure that I heard of.
Maybe a fighters union will startup, that is their choice.
Otherwise all the big money (the fox deal, etc) should, and we should give the UFC the benefit of the doubt, increase the fighter pay.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions
there is no free market , ufc is the only show in town
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Randall
They are the only GOOD show in town. That is not their fault. Come on now.
This is exactly why the UFC is great for these fighters. If there was no UFC. There would be no making any GOOD money. Period. No good sponsorships. No good ppv income. Nothing.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions
I'm confused, if they say the UFC is the only show in town and that they pay the fighters shit then..
If the UFC wasn’t around wouldn’t that mean all fighters would get less than getting paid shit because there’s no big dominant company to employ them? I may have stole Dole’s comment but the thought really came to mind after reading what he said.
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I'm just saying
that with them having so much control of the market they need to be held to a higher standard as far as their pay scale
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions
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"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess what I am saying
The UFC did the work… The put in the years. They struggled for years and years. Why can’t bellator? Or someone else? The companies exist! They have the Money. They have more cash then the UFC will ever have.
If bellator wants to take a lower tier UFC fighter and pay them 50k to show and 50k to win. They can.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Over time the pay will increase
so I do think this whole thing is just a troll job by ESPN to latch onto the UFC’s popularity
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
finally for the love of humanity
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
This must be why
I rarely see fight highlights after big events and great fights/knockouts on ESPN/TSN.
Back in 2006 Samuel Peter was a consensus top 10 heavyweight in the world. The license fee that ESPN paid was barely six figures and Sam did not make six figures. I’m not painting either side (boxing or MMA) as the good guy or bad guy here. But it is true that if you take Pacquiao, Mayweather and the Klitschkos out of the equation, the pay for the top fighters isn’t that far off.
Almost seems...
that ESPN threw this reporter to the wolves without proper knowledge of the industry and payouts.
by @MichaelDRico on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
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