ESPN Outside the Lines video on UFC monopoly and fighter pay issues
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST
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Here's the extended video of the controversial E:60 piece from ESPN's Outside the Lines report on the UFC potentially becoming a monopoly and the fighter pay issues that come with that.
It's a heavily debated topic amongst those in the industry, namely the fact that those at the top of the card are making all the money while the little guys on the preliminary card are fighting for crumbs. Is it fair that Georges St. Pierre makes $4 to $5 million per fight while a UFC newcomer makes just $8,000?
That's for you to decide, Maniacs.
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Is it fair Albert pujols signs a 300 million dollar contract and Gaby Sanchez makes 400,000? Or compare dewayne wades contract to Kyle lowry’s…..
by ToeLock6 on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If he was playing 3 games a year for 8 thousand a game = 24,000 then that would be fucked
But that’s why there is a union in baseball, so nothing like that could ever happen
They need more money.
I have a hard time paying my bills now. Imagine if i had trainers to pay gym memberships a diet to follow, ect. The time you spend training cost you money and then if you are LUCKY you may get to fight 3 times a year. Plus any little injury can end up costing a lot in doctors bills.
I call bullshit........
The fighters make nowhere close to the ballpark of 50% of UFC’s revenues.
Top 5 most boring fighters to watch p4p:
1. Jake "Mr. Snuggie" Shields
2. G "what's the Rush?" SP
3. Jon Fitch
4. Tyron "wanna cuddle?" Woodley
5. any wrestler w/ the same fight strategy as #1-4
is that the whole segment ?
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You are absolutely rigth!
It is plain bullshit.. How on earth can you make a fair statement for that Mitrione got paid 10.000 dollars when he was the co main event against kongo.. sounds delusional for me..!
by EhsanFaizzad on Jan 15, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
How much would you pay for a PPV with Mitrione as the main event?
Nothing? That’s what I thought.
What if it's against the Champion?
What if the undercard is good? The only reason I saw the event yesterday was for the co-main event to be honest.
by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
He is still a small draw, but
you have to be realistic as well. If he fights 2-3 a year, and he was supposed to be this rising star at the time. a top 10-15 heavyweight. You deserve more than that.. !
by EhsanFaizzad on Jan 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The % and the union are my 2 beefs.
I don’t believe Lorenzo either when he said “neighborhood of 50%” and I would be thrilled if the fighters had a union.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions
No, this is interesting.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve heard quite a bit of this but haven’t seem the episode dose anyone who when it airs or re-airs
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by malito3og3 on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
LOL poor Jon Fitch's face after Dana said he was giving bonuses for knockouts
He knew he wasn’t getting any of that.
by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He knew he wasn't getting ANY bonus lol.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
+1
It’s too bad there’s no Decision of the Night bonus. Fitch would be making Anderson Silva money.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 15, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
thats the "control" aspect. Bonus those whose fights are exciting and fought the way you prefer.
I can’t stand Fitch fights, but he gets the short end of the stick.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Actually he gets a win bonus most times he fights.
That’s his reward for being safe.
P4P TOP 5 1. Nick Diaz 2. Nate Diaz 3. Fedor 4. Overeem 5. Junie Browning … Also Nate AND Nick will both be champions of thier respective brackets. Dont Fuck With Mean Mug he will make you slob all over your most hated fighters knob 209 BITCHES!!!!!!
by Cyclonejoker on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would even prefer it if it was for fastest sub and fastest KO.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
I believe Lorenzo.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
ufc needs to make earnings public knowlegde
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
"I could care less. There's no retribution." - Lorenzo Fertitta
that’s bullshit.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
yeah that was bad lol.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
and it's.....
I couldn’t care less
Looking forward to seeing Bisping get smashed.
by MayheMMonkey420 on Jan 15, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
the fighters know...
Their not mkaing big bucks starting out, if they want to make the big $$$ choose another line of work, its that simple.
by nick999 on Jan 15, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I see no problem with the big names getting paid a lot more than the guys starting out.
That’s how it works, you make money for a company and you make money for yourself.
P4P TOP 5 1. Nick Diaz 2. Nate Diaz 3. Fedor 4. Overeem 5. Junie Browning … Also Nate AND Nick will both be champions of thier respective brackets. Dont Fuck With Mean Mug he will make you slob all over your most hated fighters knob 209 BITCHES!!!!!!
they should make more,
but not millions compared to 6k.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's capitalism.
Fighters are getting paid what they are worth, that’s capitalism.
Everybody thinks they should get paid more.
If the fighters would get more the UFC wouldn’t be expanding as much.
Other companies paid more and are now gone.
Some actors are stars and get paid millions and some make hundreds.
I guess people like to complain.
by Baxter086 on Jan 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's about TIME attention was being paid to this subject...I've spent years on this site bitching bout fighter pay and everyone on here would be like "fighters aren't bitching so stfu"
Well apparently they are bitching, apparently it’s so bad that ESPN decided to get involved and do an investigation on how these guys are getting raped
I've been w/ you on this one Hella.
And as the years pass and fighters retire we will see a lot more then Ken Shamrock speaking out.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ken speaks a lot of sense i enjoy his interviews
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
10 years from now you'll have a hundred guys speaking out.
But yes Ken is sane here lol.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ken looks broken down
but he speaks with clarity
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
wonder if his sons have what it takes?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
dun dunt dun
ONLY TIME WILL TELL
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
and how can they compare the to a team sport?
If 25 players share 50% of th revenue , how would that be anywhere close to 250-275 fighters sharing the same revenue???
by nick999 on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ummm if the nba has 30 teams with 12 players on each then its pretty even with the UFC roster.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
UFC needs to make earnings public?
On what grounds? This is America! I watched this segment and was sick to my stomach. This is a private company founded by a couple of guys who invested their own money in to a company that was losing money. This is true capitalism that paid off for them. If someone wants to form a union, form a union. They have a right. Just like these guys have a right to negotiate whatever contracts they can with the fighters in order to make their company profitable. What a bunch of sissies. Damn.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions
Look
If the UFC is only paying out 10 % of what they make that is fucked , thats why they don’t make earnings public . Legislation will get passed to make them .
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
First of all
That ten percent number is a totally fictional one that nobody has any idea about. And, if you enjoy our government making legislation to tell private business how to run business.. Well then I don’t know what to tell you, but that is fucked up.
What’s screwed up is none of these fighters invested any of their money, didnt lose any of their money for the first ten or so years in business. But, now it is okay to cry when business is good that you don’t get paid enoug. I have a problem with that mentality.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
They have to disclose their earnings
and then we can stop speculating
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
There is no need to disclose their earnings.
They are a private business. They are not google, Microsoft, or any other public company. It isn’t that hard to understand.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
?
What’s screwed up is none of these fighters invested any of their money, didnt lose any of their money for the first ten or so years in business
This business was built on the backs of fighters. Slugging it out for way less then what we see today and paving the road that those billions have been made off of. The fighters invested their time and lives to grow this sport.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
^^this^^ no fighters,no ufc
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
There should be a law saying that the have to pay out
a certain % of the profit to the fighters
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
or a union to negotiate that percentage.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ya
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yay for communism!
People seem to forget about operating cost and staff.
Who cares if it’s 10%, they are not sitting on the money. They are constantly expanding to give more opportunities to more fighters.
Legislation stops growth and could even bankrupt the company.
by Baxter086 on Jan 15, 2012 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scott think about that
Same for ALL business’… Doesn’t mean the bosses are not going to make more!
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I realize that
The point is, they could all still be fighting for small organizations for $1000 a fight and probably would still do it because they love to do it. They built a company, a profitable one, while losing millions in the meantime. They paid all the fighters while they were losing money year after year.
All companies obviously make money off of the backs of their employees. It does not mean the higher ups don’t make the most money. That would be foolish.
Now that their company they have paid out 40 millionaires and that number will just increase. They didn’t even start making money until 2005! I think that is pretty good.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
On the fighters backs,
And the Fertitta’s Wallet! When the UFC comes calling with a contract, fighters can turn it down or renegotiate! With undercard fighters, the fighter is more in need of the UFC than the UFC needs them. If you build up a fan base or name recognition (Overeem) then you will get paid top dollar! You have to earn your stripes!
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by 420mike on Jan 15, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's hilarious
Is these babies want laws written, how about negotiating? If Someone wants more money at a job they negotiate not ask the damn government to look into the books of a private company and ask for a percentage of their profits.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
there's nowhere else to negotiate
that’s why they need to disclose earnings
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Did you watch the entire clip? “Fighters are unable to negotiate for fear of losing their jobs”
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
Mr decoitkon
I am sorry for you… You believe everything you hear. I cannot help you. I am sorry these fighters are so fearful. I saw machida get cut when he asked for more money to step in……. Oh wait he was able to ask for more money without anything happening to him.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's odd, because I feel that 9-11 was an inside job
What’s your take on it? Do you believe what the media told you?
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
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+1
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
The war on terror is a myth
used to control the masses
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Although I don't believe 9/11
Was an “inside job”. We certainly were not attacked because we are free and prosperous.
I am a pro Ron Paul supporter, and believe me I don’t drink any kool aid from the media.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
+1 to all your comments
Agree with all your points.
by Johnny Ballgame on Jan 15, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think the government took advantage
of the publics fear after 9/11 i dont think we where behind it
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
The 9/11 govt conspiracy was created by the govt to instill fear into every American
To be like “see what we did to the towers? Fuck with us and see what we’ll do to you”
Is that you Dana or is that Lorenzo?
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
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that’s like saying your gonna have 1 team pay the whole leauge Duhhhhh, theirs only 1 UFC not 30 of them, and they just got a good deal with fox, they don’t have deals with abc espn and tbs, like basetball and these baseball teams, and baseball is gonna go bankrupt with the outrageous salaries they pay these guys.
by nick999 on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i have no sympathy...
For these fighters , no tells u to fight for a living, they choose too, and if a fight last 30 seconds and u get paid 10 grand that’s not a bad payday afteralll! Other sports u are required to play 48mins, 60 mins or 9innings their is no comparison to mainstream sports, that’s jus stupid.
by nick999 on Jan 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Take a sec and think... That fight that lasted 30 sec's, Took 3 months to train for
While having to pay a gym, training partners etc.. Not to mention daily living expenses and bills
Also those other sports, players can take a break, sit on the bench, even leave the game. Can mma fighters do that?
What about the times a guy gets hurt and has to sit out for a year? How does that 10 grand help him there?
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by Red Eye Jedi on Jan 15, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Espn hit the nail on the head
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Espn totally missed the nail!
Actually they hit thier own hand trying to hold the nail like the in experienced and unqualified Carpenter (MMA Journalist) Josh Gross is a Journalistic Hit Man!!
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by 420mike on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I think ESPN should have to pay their anchors a 50 percent of their profits… What a joke.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
if their anchors were the product that example might make some sense. try again.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
In a sense they are the product. If it was spoken word reading the sports nobody would watch. Fact. You cannot respond to my rebuttal above because I am right.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
An anchorman IS the product?
You need to sober up from last night. Are you honestly trying to argue that someone who reports the news actually creates that news?
ROFL
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
Well in all fairness.
Some places do make up news.
P4P TOP 5 1. Nick Diaz 2. Nate Diaz 3. Fedor 4. Overeem 5. Junie Browning … Also Nate AND Nick will both be champions of thier respective brackets. Dont Fuck With Mean Mug he will make you slob all over your most hated fighters knob 209 BITCHES!!!!!!
by Cyclonejoker on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
like bloody elbow
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
lol agreed 100%
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
The UFC is the only show in town
That’s why it’s different
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Except...
For the mma company owned by Viacom. Right?
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
bellator doesn't count
They don’t have the amount of top level talent
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
They don't count?!
They can get top talent! You can’t say they don’t count. They have more money than anyone else.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
see below
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
thats like saying minor league baseball is the same as MLB
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
you must really hate UFC fighters
to argue this.
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
is arena football a viable alternative to the NFL ?
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I love UFC fighters
I am just pro capitalism
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
You can be pro capitalism and still agree with other Major Sport payouts
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
And I am sorry
Sinking a couple million into a failing business that you believe in and then turning it into an extremely profitable company is very admirable, and is something this country is lacking, IMO.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
they should have to share in the profit
When they reach a certain point
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...
Deciptkon this is not pro capitalism.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
flagged
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the oddest part.
you must really hate UFC fighters
People get so angry in these threads because some fans want the fighters that get paid like ass to have a better career while the millionaires and billionaires stay millionaires and billionaires. We love this sport and these fighters, whats so bad about wanting them to be treated as fairly as athletes are in other sports?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta go guys.
It was fun. We can agree to disagree.
by Dolemitejenkins on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
+1
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
seems pretty cut and dry to me
Others…..not so much
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
it's fine
unlimited growth has been proven in a handful of economic arenas to not work. it can allow for only “no skin in the game” investing, which can be construed as selective corporatism, not capitalism. let them be they have a model that works.
by stoppagesalwaysplease on Jan 15, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Like watching a room full of retards trying to hump a doorknob
Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin
by jakescissorhands on Jan 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions
It all makes sense to me
I am a Union worker in NYC and we all do the same jobs and get paid the same amount of money for our particular skills, even if the guy your working with sucks and doesn’t know whit about work ethic. I will make more money than that guys in a year because I hustle and get more work from the bosses I work for, having said that, the same thing goes for the fighters you have something to prove in your ability. And working for a corporation you start at the bottom and try to get to the top of the mountain, and not everyone will be successful, but who says you should make 30,000 a fight when you haven’t even performed for the company yet. This is a fresh sport and needs time to grow to compete with the MLB NBA NFL NHL because they didn’t just fall into millions of dollars the previous generations had to do it the hard way for the paydays we see today
I don't want no idiot to comments, its only an opinion
1- What make US the best country is some times used to make it a shitty venue. If not to UFC, Pride based on japan could have still be the leading company in MMA and so much cash flow would still be far away from the US.
2- UFC effort is a huge in making MMA a profitable venue, Takewondo, Judo and Karate, is not even comparable to MMA, even in the disucssion, new comers in MMA make way more than boxing which started decases before the UFC.
3- Dana White is a huge part of the problem, his approach of “I don’t give a FUCK” in public venues, trying to show off as a tuff guys will make Zuffa pay for his bullshit, if he is REALLY valueable, he should either chill or keep a lower profile.
4- Cutting off good names for stupid reason, and ruining their carrer could be a fuel to other leagues which create a good business model just like strikeforce used to, and the fact that they acquired strikeforce was an eyeopenner for this whole shit..
thats it for now…
I can see it from both sides of the fence. MMA is only just starting to come into the mainstream now and it has a bright future. With the partnership involving FOX i can only see it getting bigger. Along with this will be the larger pay brackets.
When the NFL/NHL first started out the guys there were not on mulit-million $ contracts. That came along when the exposure/sponsors were beating down their door
It sucks that lower level fighters only get a few $k per fight (especially once trainers costs are subtracted). That cannot be disputed.
But i think the UFC – with the introduction of fighter insurance etc is taking the correct steps forward.
For long enough we have heard horror stories about thieving boxing promoters and boxing has been around a lot longer than MMA. The list is endless regarding stories of Don King swindling his fighters out of their purse.
So whilst the UFC is far from perfect, they have shown some evidence that they are looking ahead in the best interests of their fighters.
some of this^
when baseball or football started out how much were thoseguys making I’m not saying when the mlb or the NFL started out 2 totally diff things mma Is only 20+/- years old to complain about fighter pay so early and compare to mainstream sports is pointless mma has such a long way to go.
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pretty much illustrates what I have been saying for years now
Lorenzo, you sir are a bald faced liar.
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
+1
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Fertitta's dont owe you shit!
If your a MMA fan you owe them the benefit of the doubt that they are doing whats right for the sport they love (I Love and probably You love) and helped get to this level!
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by 420mike on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you love the sport (the actual fighters)
Or do you have a giant fucking mancrush on one of the owners?
No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866 )
he's jizzing for lorenzo
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
his mom is knitting him a life sized Lorenzo pillow as we speak
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it's "Joe the plumber syndrome".
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
clarify that statemant
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
statement ^
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
middle class americans are brainwashed into voteing for laws that protect people they will never be instead of themselves and the majority of the country.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK
I googled it
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not dumb
I know I’ll never be part of the 1%!
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by 420mike on Jan 15, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it fair that Georges St. Pierre makes $4 to $5 million per fight while a UFC newcomer makes just $8,000?
Excuse me? Which fight was this?
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Every fight for the last few years. Get a clue kid.
You think it’s cool to bash the ufc, lol. The fighters have to earn their pay by rising up the ladder. The ufc gives them huge amounts of exposure. You guys whine like little bitches, stfu already.
by MMA Boss on Jan 15, 2012 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sorry that the opinion of millions bothers you
Now prove to me that these guys are paid fairly, as opposed to name calling.
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The Fighters get payed by sponsers.
In the other sports you get deals where they pay you to sell there shit but you have to be a All Star most of the time. Almost every fighter i see has a banner full of companys paying them to advertise. Most fighters have their trunks plastered like a Nascar. So between the fight pay, bounuses, and sponsers they make a little more then they are letting on.
And the ufc gets a cut off those sponsors
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
The ufc has their own sponsors. They don't get a cut from the fighters sponsors.
Lol. You think burger king pays the ufc because they pay anderson?
by MMA Boss on Jan 15, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they get a cut from incage sponsors
While few sponsors or agents wanted to discuss actual figures on the record, most put the cost of the tax at about $50,000 per year for the majority of apparel and supplement companies in the UFC, though the fee has been known to vary according to the sponsor and the situation, sources said.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I'm pretty sure Burger King does pay the UFC.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that UFC recently increased sponsorship fees for companies that advertise with fighters.
Think there was a lot of coverage about it.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 15, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ya but ,
I don’t think outside sponsors pay the UFC , like if Anderson Silva has a sponsorship that just pertains to him as an athlete . Not an in the cage sponsor, or GSP and under armor is another example .
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think its funny that I'm reading "they should make laws so promotions pay a certain % to fighters"
Look at how wildly successful all the promotions in the world are and all the profits they are hoarding…………The UFC is a private company that got to where it is because of their business practices. We love that they have fights all around the world almost every weekend. The sport is growing because of it. But to bitch about how legislation should passed so the lower fighters get paid more is insane. So now we know how to run a successful promotion? Not only that but the government does and should now tell them too?
by Scribonius Curio on Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions
But there's no viable alternative
so they should be held to a different standard
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
IMO the feds have/will get involved because of the anti competitive effects of the SF purchase to the CONSUMER not the fighters. Consumer is now forced to pony up to Diaz, AO, Werdum etc..
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
what do you mean by pony up ?
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
What are the feds going to do. Tell them what to do with the fighters they own.
MMA is new and governed by Athletic commissions. There isn’t a lot of precedent for saying you cant buy another promotion. Now as far as the details of fighter transfers I do not know the specifics. There may have been some shady dealings, but I really don’t see a case holding up against them. Then again, MMA news shocks me on a regular basis.
by Scribonius Curio on Jan 15, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ridiculous.
Now that the UFC is getting big you want to bring in the government to tell them to change things. What you are suggesting is incredible. Government intervention on a private business where the fighters are making more money than ever, because all of a sudden we know what percentages should be paid out. Because becoming a successful promotion had nothing to do with how much money they spent. Also Viacom own Bellator. Another viable alternative.
by Scribonius Curio on Jan 15, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions
they control the market
So they need to be fair I was thinking more of a union than Government
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we certainly don't need Obama sticking his nose into this
to further fuck things up.
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fuck obama
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
prepare for a knock at your door now
but I agree 100% with you there.
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He lied about everything
He says one thing and does another , and people give him a pass cuz he’s supposed to be “cool” and he’s fucking our asses
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
dudes
the president doesn’t have all the power. He has to get his shit passed, and the republicans have the numbers and hand cuff him. Yes I want more of what he campaigned on, and if you want those things too you’ve got a better chance getting from him and not Romney.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I watch alot of Alex Jones , I’m voting for Ron Paul .
"Every time I hear of this guy , I wonder how he was possible." - Joe DiMaggio
by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
this made alot of sense to me when I heard it
The right wing and the left wing are two sides of the same sick bird .
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Listen if Paul is up for the vote then more power to you, but he won't be. You'll be forced to pick between Romney or Obama.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
i think he'll go independent
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
that would just help romney, he'll never get the most as an independent,
more dems will go his way then republican and Romney will win 48/47/5. We need 4 of that 5 to win 51/49. You are that 5.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
If a Union happens then it happens
But the UFC is not the NBA or NHL. Its funny in the piece where they say boxing undercard fighters get a few hundred dollars, but in the NBA, NHL, blah blah. Let this sport grow and grow. There are promotions all around the world, and the talent takes time to develop. I’m just not on this fuck the UFC for not paying their fighters. The UFC is where it is for a reason. MMA is blowing up because of the UFC becoming what it has. Give it some time. I just dont see a Union happening anytime soon.
by Scribonius Curio on Jan 15, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 4:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
REALLY!!!!!
How can ESPN compare the UFC $$$ to the other major sports? The UFC has been around for a little over 11 years. Boxing over 100 years, NFL almost 100 years, MLB over 100 years! Whats BS!!! Do the fighters get under payed? YES!! But the UFC has to continue to grow and improve as it grows. Comparing them to other major sports is a joke!
eventually though
they will need to be held to the same standards
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
they can still compare PERCENTAGES regardless of size.
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its still retarded
considering how much longer they have had to adjust and grow, I’m sure if u go look at the other major sports starting out the players didn’t make tons of $$$.
In closing
Fuck Dana, Fuck Lorenzo and his ugly brother and fuck you if you defend these greedy cunts.
Good day sirs, I’m off to the market now
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don't forget the foil for your hat
lol no offense had to…
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 4:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
laughable that you are trying to call this a conspiracy
UFC pays it’s fighters much less than other major sports franchises, based on profits.
How is this a conspiracy again? Or are you simply grasping for straws here?
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Just a joke bro laugh it off.
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
some fighters are under paid.. but GSP was one of them
Ok I don’t know but the fighters got pay more that what they said… because all the lables they have on theirs trunks and tshirts is a xtra money.. some ones can get pay up to 10k for each advertisement… I don’t know…
by kenshing on Jan 15, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lorenzo Fertitta:
“You have to perform in order to be compensated.”
end of discussion.
by Adam Guillen Jr. on Jan 15, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions
Exactly. Thank you.
Everyone needs to stfu. Fighters get paid more as they work their way up the ladder. The UFC gives them huge amounts of exposure to get lucrative sponsors. Fighters earn what they get, they negotiate their own contracts.
by MMA Boss on Jan 15, 2012 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please defend these actions of the UFC MMA Boss:
a) “Automatic renewal” contract provisions such as the “champion’s clause,” which extends the contract of an athlete who becomes a champion. Such clauses effectively prevent some athletes who sign contracts with Zuffa from becoming free agents and negotiating for higher pay.
b) Exclusive negotiation and “right to match” clauses that lock athletes into negotiating with Zuffa for a period after their contracts have expired. These clauses diminish the ability and incentive of smaller promotions to bid for top mixed martial arts athletes.
c) Merchandise and ancillary rights agreements that require athletes to forfeit their image and likeness rights “in perpetuity,” or forever. These far-reaching agreements deprive athletes of the freedom to make money from their own success and further bind them to Zuffa indefinitely.
These contractual restraints can have the effect of forcing some athletes under contract with the UFC to negotiate with one buyer, depriving them of any real barganing power and depressing pay below competitive levels. The Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association estimates that professional mixed martial arts athletes received just 5.7 percent of total gate and pay-per-view revenues at five UFC events in 2009 while athletes who compete in other pro sports organiations receive 50 percent or more of revenues.
More on the claimed anticompetitive behavior:
Professional sports leagues have sought to justify restraints on athlete mobility by arguing that such restraints are necessary to maintain a competitive balance among teams, and thereby maintain spectator interest. In some cases, courts have agreed. In American Needle v. the National Football League, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that competitive balance is “unquestionably an interest that may well justify a variety of collective decisions made by the teams.”
However, Zuffa does not operate as a professional league, and thus cannot justify its restrictive behavior as being necessary to preserve a competitive balance in mixed martial arts. Zuffa is a private limited liability partnership that promotes and produces professional mixed martial arts events for the benefit of its owners. The anticompetitive restrictions it imposes on athlete mobility serve no legitimate business justification beyond stifling competition and increasing Zuffa’s already dominant position in the market.
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BOOOOOOyah
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Aaaaand this thread becomes a ghost town
These zombies have now moved on to easier prey.
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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 15, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
The one I have the biggest problem with is the merchandising agreement. I’d like to know more about it actually, like the specific details of using your image on t-shirts and the like. Does the UFC automatically get a percentage if say, 10 years after someone has stopped fighting they create a t-shirt brand including their image? It really bothers me that a business you might only work for for 5 years has perpetual rights over your image.
What makes me wonder about it is that I’ve seen Stephan Bonner’s t-shirt line and I wonder how that fits in with that agreement.
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that's funny
because benchwarmers on the NBA still make way more than lower guys in the UFC. UFC is supposed to be “the big show”…..until it comes time cut the checks for it’s fighters.
ROFL@ $2000.00 for a main card PPV fighter !!!!!!!!!!
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Look first of all where can a football player, or a hockey player or a golfer other than the pga tour go to make money? What about espn how many other sports news stations can you name?
by Michael Robinson on Jan 15, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions
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