UFC 142 results: Questionable refereeing in Brazil showed need for consistency, clarification
by Jason Probst on Jan 15, 2012 9:30 AM EST
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Being a referee is one of the toughest jobs in mixed martial arts (MMA). When it's done correctly, hardly anyone notices, and over a long enough timeline, even the best officials will make mistakes. It's inevitable.
What defined UFC 142: "Aldo vs. Mendes," however, was inconsistent refereeing, and as an event, it was marred by actions that wouldn't have been a surprise in a podunk location with inexperienced referees. We're used to seeing it whenever a big-time show happens in one of those out-of-the way locales, and you almost come to expect incompetency and murky application of standards and rules we otherwise expect with shows in Nevada and California.
However, because Saturday's calls involved two experienced refs in Mario Yamasaki and Dan Miragliotta, it makes you wonder how they happened in the first place.
The biggest gaffe of the night was Yamasaki's for failing to take charge during Erick Silva's finishing assault of Carlo Prater. In what initially seemed a ground-and-pound quick knockout for Silva, Yamasaki ultimately disqualified Silva for what he said were illegal blows to the back of the head during the barrage, as Prater was turtled up and in a purely defensive mode.
The replay showed an illegal blow or, perhaps, along with several legal ones, but breakdown in officiating occurred when Yamasaki didn't stop the action before Prater eventually went out for good, instead disqualifying Silva for blows that may or may not have been the finishing ones (we'll never know).
A referee faces a tough call in this situation, but it's also within his power to stop the fight, and give a warning. There's also the flip side of intervening during a potential finishing sequence and catching heat there for interrupting the action, but if Silva can lose by disqualification for something like this, Prater shouldn't also be given a win simply because he seemed unable to continue.
Ultimately, it's an official's job to control the fight, especially when rule infractions occur, particularly blatant ones. During Matt Hughes' second bout with Frank Trigg, Trigg won the welterweight title after a brutal knee to the groin rendered Hughes breathless and helpless, tottering like a newborn foal. Trigg was issued a verbal warning, but ignored it -- precisely because he wasn't told to stop -- and proceeded to unload bombs on a helpless Hughes, whose survival and ensuing comeback to win by rear naked chokes in the round constituted one of the great title-fight comebacks in the history of the sport.
Yamasaki was the ref there, too, and it makes you wonder if someone might hip him to the fact that it's okay to stop the action if a foul has occured. Hughes' title didn't change hands that night, but Yamasaki's inability to control that action was overshadowed by the bout's ending. If Hughes had lost, Yamasaki wouldn't have gotten a pass for dropping the ball entirely.
In the main event, Yamasaki refereed the featherweight title bout between Jose Aldo and Chad Mendes. When Aldo was obviously about to be slammed to the mat, he blatantly grabbed the fence, once again getting a verbal warning from Yamasaki. The problem with fence grabbing is that almost everyone gets a freebie, with a verbal, prior to points being deducted.
The rules should be changed to allow the other fighter to start on the mat in mount, that way fighters are incentivized to not grab the fence. The fault here lies with the rules, not Yamasaki, who in my opinion would have been within his rights to deduct a point. It was academic in the end, with a still-upright Aldo delivering a fight-ending knee to knock out Mendes moments later.
The second issue with the refereeing was Dan Miragliotta's quick trigger in the Anthony Johnson vs. Vitor Belfort fight. Issuing quick stand ups twice when Johnson was on top in each instance, as well a super-quick separation while the two were apparently not working enough on the fence.
It makes you wonder what the criterion for "active" is in Miragliotta's book.
Johnson isn't going to get lot of sympathy from people for these, but he deserves the same protection and application of standards as every other fighter. What constitutes the need for a stand up is a virtual ink blot to be interpreted by every different referee.
These stand ups, simply put, were too hasty. And in front of a Brazilian crowd cheering for Belfort, they were a reminder of the old adage that the appearance of a conflict of interest is the same thing as an actual one. It looks bad for the sport when Johnson loses top position because the ref isn't happy, when 95 percent of every other takedown that lasts as long on the ground isn't stood up at that point.
MMA refereeing is an ever-evolving craft, and its practitioners continue to improve. Miragliotta and Yamasaki are among the elite and have had good showings. Saturday wasn't one of them for either man.
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I know im in the minority that was glad mario fucked it up, i had my money on the other guy and was like f*ck yeah lady luck is on my side today, i will say that that silva is one to watch out for in the WW division, that was nasty!
Dont act like your shit dont stink
illegal blows should be discouraged
Back of the head punches have become too common or what Joe rogan and vitor call “side of the head” behind the ear is the back and all of silvas punches were directly in the back. I’m glad to see someone finally enforcing legal targeting opposed to illegal flurry shots. The kid still would have won with a few measured and targeted legal shots
The side of the head is not the back of the head, weirdo
There’s a reason why punched to the back of the head is illegal. You have a very delicate spot right in back of the head where your visual cortex is located. Back of the ear… Not so much.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
rly?
Tell that to Cain Velasquez.
Yamasaki made the RIGHT CALL.
by PtWhiteBelt on Jan 15, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
that's equilibrium bro
where Cain got hit fucked up his equilibrium not a shot to the back of the head side of the head is not back of the head that’s why its called get this …. the side not the back
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Most of those punches were hitting to the wrong side of the ear
Which means they could all be classified back of the head. One was the back of the head for certain.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
You can get hurt when punched on the chin too
The thing with the visual cortex is that it’s very delicate, as I stated above. Which makes blows to the back of the head very dangerous to the fighters health. Getting hit behind the ear just shocks your equilibrium and put’s you of balance and dazed. Get your facts straight.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
Care to give a proper response or are you here just to insult people?
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
I figured that out. It's confusing sometimes ^^
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
*You're an idiot
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
i've fought for years every ref tells me avoid areas behind the ear
I agree with Mario’s call and you can feel free to disagree, either way it is officially recorded as illegal and thats not weird its a fact
by talkfight on Jan 15, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's obviously legal to elbow multiple times to the back of the ear
Since fighters have been stopped trying to go for a takedown and gotten blasted with those elbows. Legal as fuck, fact. Back of the head is back of the head, not the side of the head.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
relax pal it was declared illegal and thats a fact
You should get a job at a commision or ref yourself cause bitching the samantics online won’t help anybody weirdo
by talkfight on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know it was declared illegal. The issue is that Mario fucked up
Bitching about semantics is clearing things up in my book. You said specifically that shots to the side of the head was the same thing as the back of the head and I felt the need to explain to you why that’s not the case. I could see two illegal blows to the back of the head by Silva and I don’t think that’s enough to disqualify him.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
Mario didn't fuck up
The rules are simple. If a fighter strikes someone illegally and they are unable to continue the victim gets a DQ win. Just like Matt Hamill. Just like Yushin Okami.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
The rules also state
that a fighter can’t intentionally turn his head against the shots and to me, it was clear that Silva was trying to hit the side of the head while Carlo turtled and scrambled. It was only to blows what I could tell and you could agr
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
argue that Carlo turned in to those two
Either way this was quite an innocent case of illegal blows.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
It looked like back of the head to me
Personally, I’d prefer they allow strikes to the back of the head. If you don’t like it, don’t compete. It would fix a lot that’s wrong with this sport.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Strikes behind the ear are illegal? This cheating son of a bitch...
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
That would have been deemed accidental if it was determined it was a fight-ending blow but illegal
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
So then why was this cheating motherfucker allowed to leave with the championship?
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
None of those were to the back of the head
Ear yes.. but back of head no
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by enzo-enormous on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
one back of the head shot i seen . that has never caused a fighter to lose the fight before.
talkfight no more side of the face or head shots? omg good luck landing anything clean. Is this at the end of the day not a fight??????????????
Yes it has
When an illegal blow renders the opponent unable to continue it’s a DQ
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
I totally agree
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
yeah silva got fucked. they really need an instan replay for things like this
love to watch wand, florian, lauzon, gsp, cain, machida, dos anjos
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
fedor man its time to hang up the gloves
On his record only.
Silva got his win bonus, the UFC is not opposed to Silva appealing (should be turned into a no contest) and Dana is “moving him up” which essentially means he’s going to get a higher caliber fighter w/ more main card implications.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
win money, UFC comfortable and supportive of an appeal and Dana treating this fight like a win and booking accordingly leads me to believe it ain’t that bad for Silva
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
It's winning all around
Only the whiners care
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Rogan is awesome for calling him out on the spot. Great show alltogether.
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no its not awesome could have started a riot
the refs decision even if wrong is final.Sort that shit out after the fight.You cant start undermining referees on the spot like that its wrong imo.
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"i dont get it"
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maybe the refs should be able to watch the relay before taking away a victory
love to watch wand, florian, lauzon, gsp, cain, machida, dos anjos
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
fedor man its time to hang up the gloves
by Burlzilla129 on Jan 15, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Replay vindicates Yamasaki
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
What constitutes the back of the head is currently under the referee's discretion...
15. Fouls
A.The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties, at the discretion of the referee, if committed:
xi.Striking to the spine or the back of the head
I’d like to see a bald head with a chalk mark around it to define back of the head and boundries using points like center of head, neckline, earline, temple when in any kind of tie up or grappling position.
This not clearly defined… I feel it should be different than strikes that land while throwing freely.
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concentrate, you can make napalm?"
what area do you define as the front of your head?
the face in total, infront of the ears? to me its clear cut where the back of the head is. I suppose its up to each persons interpretation. with different head shape I think its hard to have a definitive back of the head. maby its just where the spine meets the dome. we will never know
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
tne problem is it isnt clearly defined if its the referee discretion
What they need is specific boundries not discretion based rules, how many hits are allowed in back of head? 1,2,5?
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by THORAZINE on Jan 15, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Refereeing a fight is difficult enough as you are responsible for the safety of both guys and have to make instant decisions with no aid from video or assistants. Asking a ref to interpret the rules on what constitutes a foul based on his own opinion because there’s no clear rule set is ridiculous and that’s why we are going to continue seeing inconsistency in issues like punches to the back of the head as well as stand-ups. The commissions need to sort out these issues instead of covering them up and pretending that the ref is always right.
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by David W-S on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am fucking disgusted that "Commentators" can call out referee's on television
Right or wrong that isn’t fair to any of the refs. And like it or not actions like that will only further the hype that MMA is “unorganized and out of control”.
Boxing has its moments
MMA has its own
But embarrassing a ref who may possible be working later matches on the card is absolutely amatuer.
Not suprised Freenow and I are on polar opposite sides of the debate.
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im with you Zino
this aint Soccer where refs are treated and talked to like shit.I come from a rugby background and ref is king right or wrong and is always addressed as sir
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Agreed
This situation is only made worse by the referee being right!
by Wonderjudas on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Mario fucked up and Rogan wanted him to explain himself.
I get you want structures, codes and rules to dictate your every existence, but I like people who tackles problems right ahead and calls shit out as it is. This is gonna start a debate about refereeing and that’s only positive.
"It's just an abounded mineshaft! You just go climb aound in it!
Yamasaki was all class
He should have said my word is final, go away
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
-1
I don’t want another protected ref scheme like in the NBA where they can make suspect calls and no one is allowed to question it.
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by Mastertofue on Jan 15, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I agree Zino
I don’t think Rogan was right for calling out the ref. How many times does Rogan fuck up in a broadcast? Plus some of the blows that Rogan was calling legal weren’t in my opinion.
by Shadyone33 on Jan 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rogans broadcasting mistakes dont cost people thousands of dollars you idiots.
The amount of people who are against justice being served on this website is astounding. Fucking Republitards. ROGAN for UFC PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JRE on Jan 15, 2012 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've never seen a sport where some chucklehead comedian is allowed to interview the ref
Can you imagine John Madden running onto the field to interview a ref after a call?
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
I thought that was so bush league
The ref explaining himself in the post fight interview. That’s what separates mma from a main market sport. An nfl or nba ref would have walked away with out a word and stuck by their decisions. So amateur. Genos article on too much mma is right instead of pumped out cards work on the quality and legitimacy of the sport.
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by Kalejohncox on Jan 15, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
awesome?
It was pure bush league. Completely unprofessional, even if he was in the right, which he was not.
by PtWhiteBelt on Jan 15, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
calling out bullshit calls is bush league? I want to keep this sport clean and not support questionable calls.
How do you know the ref didn’t take a payoff?
by JRE on Jan 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no one said shit when vitor knocked out Rich Franklin with repetitve shots to the back of the head
by JRE on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The ref could have
That’s why refs have discretion
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Rogan was right
but he got ballsy and did that because they were in Brazil.
He’d be too scared to call out anyone with a state athletic commission behind them .
Naw, it was a douche move, typical of a man who continually oversteps his authority
Someone should criticize Rogan every time that moron says “it’s over” and it isn’t.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Dont act like your shit dont stink
i can smell it from here and that continents away fooob
Dont act like your shit dont stink
Lol
Loser like you are a dime a dozen
Come on here post some nonsense and never be seen again.
Prob a good thing since your borderline illiterate or maybe just imbred ?
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by Kalejohncox on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol imbred
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Learn the reply button, douchechassis
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
^^^Umm who the fuck is Megareem talking to?
Anyway, Mario’s mistake was understandable, big Dan’s multiple “mistakes” were not.
Dan may be the most corrupt ref in the business.
I know he is one of the worst.
I’ll never forget when he allowed Carwin to literally beat Frank Mir almost to death.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 15, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions
good work Dan!
im not gonna hold that against him,imo he stopped that way too early lol
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
he tried, just bitch ass silva wouldn't stop hitting, even after being pulled off his opponent
The replay showed an illegal blow or, perhaps, along with several legal ones, but breakdown in officiating occurred when Yamasaki didn’t stop the action before Prater eventually went out for good, instead disqualifying Silva for blows that may or may not have been the finishing ones (we’ll never know).
i’m happy he got the dq, that’s what he gets for being a bitchass ho
pride never die.
+1
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Make a case for instant replay
that way outcomes like this have more consitent results. That is the answer. It’s not like there isn’t enough time in a PPV to take 60 seconds and talk about it before an official decision is made.
Why is that so complicated?
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Because instant replay confirmed it was the right call
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
frank trigg won the welterweight title with a groin strike?
no he didnt
by Jordy Ace Allen on Jan 15, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions
i know. the article makes no sense
I re-read that paragraph like 3x trying to make that make sense. It claims Trigg won the welterweight title by groin strike, then immediately says Hughes won the same fight with a miraculous comeback.
So, overall its a happy ending cause they both one that fight and shared the belt.
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by daniel worby on Jan 15, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he left out the word almost
During Matt Hughes’ second bout with Frank Trigg, Trigg almost won the welterweight title after a brutal knee to the groin rendered Hughes breathless and helpless, tottering like a newborn foal.
you guys are acting like you don’t know the result of that fight or what the author meant to write.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
lol
It was a terrible article all-round ans extremely biased. Having several factual errors to boot is the icing on the cake.
by PtWhiteBelt on Jan 15, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
can’t read eh?
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by ClinchKing on Jan 15, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
terrible job by refs mario and dan
I thought back to the koshcheck vs daley fight and thought about how Dan M. Allowed koshcheck to lay on daley for 15 minutes..SMH its just pityful
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
everyone makes mistakes – i just wish there was a group “learning” program for MMA referring Best Practices. Instead, Big John, Herb Dean and all the others concentrate and running schools for guys like me to learn how to ref like them.
WHO is sharpening their skills?
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by Bigger Zino on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
yea good call/ he was so ready to stand them up or break the clinch last night it was almost blatant!
by letstalkmma on Jan 15, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
haha yeah it was blatant
It seemed like as soon as johnson got the takedowns the ref had his hand on his back telling them to stand-up…well he changed his tune when belfort started getting the better exchange on the ground
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
forgot to put kos fight on the good call! Regardless AJ was jobbed on a couple. And i bet on Vitor. Even know i think Vitor wins regardless,, u cant not say those were bad breaks!
by letstalkmma on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
yea dans never been good. From day one he has fucked up!
by letstalkmma on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Dan is a great ref. the only early standup was the last one. the first one AJ had his head on Vitors chest sucking wind while Vitor had an arm trapped and was preventing any posturing and ability for AJ to pass.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget him breaking up the clinch when johnson had belfort on the fence
Regardless fact is everyone knew johnson strategy coming in the fight and that was to wear on belfort on the ground and against the fence and the referee made sure that didn’t happen
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
good for Dan fuck AJ!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
yea thats the spirit
coming in overweight for the umpteenth time then laughing about it and being unapologetic,yeah thats the spirtit.Fuck him,hes Bamma material anyway
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
+1
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
When people have ill feelings about fighters it makes it difficult to have a rational discussion about what took place
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
see your Brock comments!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I have no feelings whatsoever for brock or any other fighter
You’ll never see a comment from me calling them foul names and saying some of the type of things you’re saying about johnson on this thread
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what names? i just said fuck him
i think thats the general consensus anyway
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Big difference
In giving a critical opinion on a subject and saying you wished the ref would have let a fighter continue to get choked after he tapped.
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
nope
AJ had to change his strategy after the first 30 seconds which we all knew would happen. Based on the weight issues, the cut and the maintaining of the weight, his endurance was to be minimum at best. AJ’s only hope was to take him down gulp breathes and then try to GnP or advance position. The problem was, by the time he had recovered Vitor had him locked up w/ no room to advance.
i don’t get how i defend Jon Fitchs’ activity and now have to defend a ref for recognising that AJ wasn’t/couldn’t do anything and took the initiative rather than sit and wait for the inevitable.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
so pretty much ur saying dan had a pre conceived notion before the fight? thats not good for a ref to do..
He should call the fights as they progress.
by letstalkmma on Jan 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
which is what he did. knowledge of the fighters condition before the fight is absolutely something a ref should be aware of. Dan saw AJ suckin’ wind on Vitor’s chest and waited long enough to know AJ isn’t going to advance. that foresight, to me, is imperative to maintaining the flow of a fight from the ref w/out dictating the outcome.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
sure he compromised the outcome
Broke up the clinch when johnson had belfort against the fence and pulled johnson off belfort twice all within a matter of seconds..
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
go back and rewatch the fight if only to count the seconds. i believe you will see that they a little longer than you are thinking.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 15, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
the clinch breakup was perfect, pure stalling.
they stood there long enough and nothing was about to happen.
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name any sport, any game, anything where a ref is put on the spot in front of everyone and asked to defend their decision
never. and shouldnt have happened here
BTW i had Silva first rd TKO in the pool and finished in 3rd so that TKO really could have helped – but you dont put a ref on blast like that
last year, baseball...kid is one out from perfect game, Ump blows a call
nobody put him on blast seconds afterwards, he wasnt called out on the spot, he wasnt asked to justify his call then and there….refs get more respect than that
Yeah and there also isn’t a announcer that goes down to the diamond after the game to do interviews..
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ha ha
are you fucking kidding me? Never saw a ball player get interviewed at field level? there are reporters that follow the teams to the rooms man. if they even tried to interview the Ump he wouldnt have spoke to them and walked away
yes ok the ump gets the ultimate respect
Is that why I see managers coming on the field screaming,yelling with spit flying out of there mouths at the ump calling them all type of god forsaking names? Fact is its a different sport in a different forum so expect different behavior from each sport
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by letter19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That Ump should have been called out for that garbage.
And there are differences. The umps and refs in the big sports leagues are employees of the league and get their training from the league so ultimately the league is responsible. The UFC has no control over how well or poorly the referees are trained as they are employees of athletic commissions.
thats the thing
Umps dont get interview. they issue statements afterwards when they look back at their call.
And you think
that him never getting confronted about his fucking idiocy is ok?
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by Mastertofue on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Referees like players and coaches need to be held accountable for their decisions
But at the same time they need to be shown respect as they are the ones in charge. I like to see referees questioned about bad calls after the game but not during the event itself. There would have been nothing wrong with interviewing Mario on the post show but making him do so in the cage in front of a hostile crowd was beyond ridiculous. It was disrespectful and actually put him at risk and you’d never see something like that in any other sport and for good reason, even boxing announcers have more tact than that.
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by David W-S on Jan 15, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that 1 punch to the back of the head was enough to get a DQ..
Than Vitor Belfort’s first win should of been last night.
Every fight he is in he hits the back of the head numerous times.
Haha I am not sure if Belfort hit fatty Johnson in the back of the head...
but I did hear the ref tell him to be careful with those.
by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why the ref has the discretion to jump in at that point
Yamasaki was warning Silva, but dude was in dumb fucking psycho mode. When Prater crumpled, Mario was, dude, you should’ve listened to me, dumbass.
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Joe Rogan was way out of line
total bush league bullshit. I can only hope that the board has a little talk with this commentator who thinks he is more than he is!
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Joe Rogan does NOT speak for us
He does not speak for any othe MMA organization, and his power in the UFC is next to nothing. If we don’t shrink this mans head a bit right now this sort of thing will continue, and at some even the supporters at this point will see a spot that they think Joe is 100% wrong in, but because people support him here, he’ll think that he has the right to speak for the community.
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+1
I also don’t see anyone going up to Rogan and criticizing the way he handles his job as an announcer. As annoying as Goldie is, I believe he’s the better of the two announcers.
by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bullshit stoppage! Refs need 2 be more consistent w/ this shit.
They all been fucking up lately. Look how Hendog hit fedor behind the head 4-5 times w/herb dean looking rite @ him. Dan w/ his super quick stand ups. I’m no aj fan but those had 2 be sum of the fastest stand ups I’ve seen. Yamasaki letting Aldo hold on 2 the fence. Mended was guna dump him on his head. All the fighters I picked won besides silva but the refs looked like shit!
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by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's already got major issues
I will never pick another british fighter to beat Barboza. I’m a complete idiot for picking Etim. I lost due to one of the most vicious wheel kick ko’s i’ve ever seen. When i’m at home alone when my wife is not there, i occasionally finger my own asshole, whilst not even jerking it. I just love the feeling of it in my butt. I’m a homo. I suck dick for bus fair then walk home. I will never bet Cruz Jackson again, he is too amazing. I love him and am so gay for him and his stolen bike. I would like to form a formal request of fellatio for him because thats how much i’m on his dick.
Joe was out of line.....
Personally I think it’s time for Joe to step up his game or move on. He asks the same questions over and over again, how about putting a little thought into them? He plays favorites all the time and it hurts the way he calls fights.
I understand he loves fights just like the rest of us but he needs to be more professional IMO. I’ve always enjoyed Joe but he is clearly getting stale and doesn’t seem to be elevating his work.
i agree he can be very biased
when he actually believed Guida beat Sanchez i was fucking creasing!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Worst call in history
He might as well be on the take.
Trigg didn't beat Matt Hughes and he wasn't warned about anything.
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