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Video: Anthony Johnson vs Vitor Belfort weigh-in hours before UFC 142 fight

Just a short while ago, UFC President Dana White tweeted that Anthony Johnson weighed in at 211-pounds just hours before his fight against Vitor Belfort at UFC 142 tonight (Sat., Jan. 14, 2012) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. "The Phenom" also tipped the scale, coming in at 205-pounds.

Now here's the short but sweet video evidence.

Now we can all concentrate on the fight itself instead of wondering how much of a size advantage "Rumble" has over Belfort, which, at least according to their actual weights, isn't much.

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QED

Which conclusively proves my point that the whole weigh-in ceremony, and the weight-cutting that precedes it, is a complete joke.

Belfort weighs in at 186, and fights at 206- 20 pounds heavier. So what exactly is the point of the weigh-in again?

And Johnson, whom everybody was berating as if he raped grandma, turns out to be only 6 pounds (2%) heavier than Belfort on fight night. So what was all the fuss about again?

More seriously, should he lose 20% of his purse for not making weight at a weigh-in ceremony that has zero relationship to the fighters’ actual weights on fight night?

by Motmaitre on Jan 14, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

WRONG!

First of all…. 6 pounds “isn’t much”??? WTF, thats half a weight class. Secondly, the only reason its only 6 pounds different is because of Belforts stipulation of Rumble weighing in below 205 (which Rumble rode closely) earlier in the day. If not for that, there would have been more than a 6 pound different now. And yeah, QED, everyone already knows that fighters dont fight at the weight class they weigh in at. Its not a damn revelation. However, it has been clear to everyone that Rumble cuts more than almost everyone else, which means he fights at more too.

If he weights 6 pounds more right now, who knows what it would have been if not for the 205 stipulation… Ill be nice and say 10 pounds, though its probably more. Now imagine when he was weighing in at 170… how much more do you think he weighed than the other WW’s when fight time came? 15 pounds would be my guess.

Furthermore, making weight has a lot of relationship to the fighters’ actual weights, because the higher you weigh on weigh in, the more you can weigh come fight time after re-hydration, or you could also say the less you had to cut, hence easier on your body.

That said, I agree with the conclusion that you are getting at. Fighters should be weighed right before the fight as well to avoid weight cutting being part of your strategy. You are just using all the wrong points/assumptions to get there.

by Talon81 on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem is, according to Rosi Sexton-by-way-of-BE

Fighters would just time their cuts a day later, even if it meant dehydrating themselves on fight night.

by Chortles on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

cant say I see the point

Hendo does not weight 185 come fight time. Frankie might weight 155, though, I don’t know. I know he is a small lightweight… but Hendo is not a small Middleweight.

by Talon81 on Jan 14, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that said… I know there are a FEW fighters that do fight at the same as weigh in… but those are what… less than 5% of the fighters in the major orgs?

by Talon81 on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

lol....

sorry, I was spacing. You are right. Nonetheless I know he USED to cut to 205, and I imagine he still does.

by Talon81 on Jan 14, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

When has he cut to 205?

You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.

by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 15, 2012 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

sure he is he has to swell up to make 205 def has a size disadvantage at mw

Baltimore Ravens Superbowl champs 2012!!!!

by ClinchKing on Jan 14, 2012 11:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Hendo is a perfect example of how screwed the system is

at 185 he’s half the fighter he is at 205…He said he had to drink a few extra bottles of water before the weigh-ins to make it up to 206 to fight Fedor because he actually is just under 205. Yet for him cutting that 19 lbs to get down to MW (where he could fight other guys who weigh around 205 is too hard on his body and hurts his fighting ability. So instead he fights at 205 where he is at his best, but has to face guys like Rampage, Shogun, & Rashad who are cutting from 215-225 and even guys like Forrest, Tito, & Bones who are cutting from 240 or more. Some guys have a freakish ability to cut weight and exploit the loophole in the system to gain an unfair size advantage over guys who can’t cut as much weight. Then the guys who don’t want to cut like Akiyama & Frankie are at a big disadvantage because when they fight at their optimal weight they are fighting competitors 20 lbs heavier. Guys like Rumble, Bones, Anderson, & Maynard can cut rediculous amounts of weight. But lets be truthful here, while weight cutting may be a skill (though a lot of it is also genetics), it is NOT a FIGHTING SKILL. I repeat, WEIGHT CUTTING IS NOT A MARTIAL ART!!!!. We’re not watching “The Biggest Loser” here, we’re watching “The Ultimate FIGHTER” and weight cutting is circumventing the weight class system which was created for the sole purpose of insuring that fighters DON’T have a significant size advantage over their opponents.

To me weight cutting is like cycling steroids…in a number of ways:
1) It’s unhealthy
2) It gives those fighters who do it a big advantage over those who don’t
3) the loopholes that allow it to happen create a culture where fighters are pressured to do it because those who fight natural are disadvantaged.
4) some are better at exploiting the loophole than others. The ones who screw up their timing and peak or cycle off at the wrong time get caught (like Rumble).The ones who master it don’t get caught and are rewarded with an unfair advantage like Bones & Maynard.

The spirit of weight classes is that guys are supposed to be fighting guys their own size. Otherwise it makes no sense to have weight classes at all. But checking their weight the day before gives them a loophole by which they can circumvent the law. In other words, you agree to fight at 205, but you know nobody’s checking at the time you actually fight, so you weigh in at 205 the day before and then fight at 225. The problem is so systemic that people don’t even question it anymore. “It’s not cheating if you can get away with it.” And people say, “But if everybody does it, then it’s still fair, so what’s the problem?” .

There are 2 problems:
1) Not everyone is doing it and not everyone can do it and some can do it a lot more than others. And since weight cutting is not a FIGHTING skill, it should not be allowed to be a determining factor in competition, which it often is. We currently have a LHW champ who walks around taller, longer, and HEAVIER than our HW champion. So why does Bones get to beat up 205ers while JDS has to face 265ers??? Answer: Because Bones body type and wrestling background allow him to cut more weight than Junior can and still be healthy enough to fight. But make no mistake, Bones would be a better fighter at his natural weight of 240. He just wouldn’t have the same advantages over his opponents that he currently enjoys (like 20+ lbs and 11 inches of reach). He’d rather fight at 80% of his potential against guys 25 lbs smaller like Shogun than fight at 100% of himself against guys like Cain and JDS (let alone Carwin & Overeem).

2) We seldom get to actually see fighters at their best. Firstly because they are not fighting at their natural weight where they would have their optimal strength and energy. Secondly because they spend so much of their preparation time trying to gain this advantage (or just trying to keep up with their opponent’s weight cut so as not to be DISadvantaged), and that’s time they could be working on their skills & strategy, but instead it’s wasted playing a game that has nothing to do with martial arts, to do something that actually makes them LESS effective fighters, just so they can keep up with the Joneses (literally) and not be left behind as the runt of the litter.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jan 15, 2012 2:32 AM EST reply actions  

tl;dr

but i’m sure your heart is in the right place.

by Armando Baez on Jan 15, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  


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