The 'Making Weight' Comedy of Errors.
UFC fighter Anthony Johnson is set to fight at UFC 142 tomorrow in Brazil. However, the beleaguered pugilist is already being pummeled into a cowering pulp by the MMA pundit/fan axis for apparently 'missing weight'. By 'ballooning' in weight and weighing in at 197 pounds- 12 pounds above the category threshold- he has been lambasted by the UFC President as 'unprofessional', and subject to the kind of mass mockery normally reserved for priests with a penchant for plump choir boys. Some have called for him to be cut from the UFC. Others have recommended even more serious punishment, like killing his dog.
But let us pause and reflect before we rush to the castle brandishing our pitchforks. If we do, we will realize that this bandwagon of group-think around Johnson's weight is a massive farce for the simple reason that the process of making weight itself, is a massive farce.
Look at the man in the picture above. Look at that eight-pack. Does he look overweight to you? Despite the withering glare of Mr Fetitta, this is not a bloated, chubby couch potato. This is a lean, ripped professional athlete in prime fighting condition. So why the avalanche of scorn? The only reason is that the whole ceremony around 'making weight' at weigh-in ceremonies has become an institutionalized farce, and this time, perhaps due to illness, Johnson did not play along with the whole charade.
The central idea behind weight categories is fairness. Fighters should be pitted against other fighters of roughly equal strength (with weight being a 'good-enough' proxy for strength). This means that what matters is the fighters' weight the moment they step into the Octagon. But does most fighters' weight at the weigh-in ceremony have any relationship to the one they actually fight at? Of course not. Everybody knows this, yet we still pretend as if the weigh-in number is a sacrosanct measure of the athlete's fighting weight.
The human body is composed of about 60% water. This means that by starving the body of fluids for a period, a person can dramatically and temporarily reduce their body weight. Of course, every fighter does this, and does this openly. In the days and hours before the weigh-in ceremony, they stop drinking, take diuretics, sweat in saunas and jog in sweatsuits, all to lose a few pounds of water weight before they step on the scale.
And after the weigh-in? The first thing some fighters do- right after stepping off the scale, and in full sight of Dana White- is take a thirsty swig from a water bottle. This means that they immediately increase in weight, bloating like a government bureaucracy. And because no smart fighter will step into the Octagon dehydrated and weakened, they inevitably fight between 5-20 pounds heavier than they did at weigh-in. So for all we know, Vitor Belfort might actually be heavier than Johnson when the bell rings.
In a different world therefore, with a different (and logical) frame of reference, 'making weight' by deliberately losing body fluids could actually be considered cheating (to fit into a lower weight category). By this logic, we should actually be commending Anthony Johnson for weighing in at his honest, natural weight. He is being judged (harshly) by the standard of what has become normal. But the 'normal' process of cutting weight and weighing-in has become a charade, because nobody fights at their weigh-in weight.
In an ideal world, the weigh-in would happen right before a fighter steps into the Octagon. THAT would tell us what his real fighting weight is. Of course, we know that this would cause an administrative nightmare (many fights would be cancelled at the last minute), and so it won't happen. But before we condemn athletes like Johnson, let us remember that we are comparing him to other athletes who are themselves under-reporting their fighting weight. Ironically, when everybody cheats a little by purging water, then it's not cheating anymore, and the honest man who weighs in at his 'real' weight becomes the cheat. Food for thought, no?
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When the honest man agrees to weigh in at 185, just as his cheating opponent does, the honest man must weigh in successfully. If the honest man was so honest, the honest Johnson would be fighting at 205, his natural weight. Just like other professional, such as Rua do. As a professional, it is your job to choose your weight class and make weight. That’s your only job, your responsibility. You don’t want to cut weight, fight at your natural weight and have done with it. In Johnsons case, it’s 205. You give your opponent your word, you make weight. Johnson should be cut from MMA completely, he’s a TRT cheat. Your post is a complete fail.
Bobby Southworth
by danago on Jan 14, 2012 6:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think you may have missed the point...
The point was, Johnson only missed weight because he didn’t do the water purging, and Belfort did. It does’t mean he is really heavier than Belfort. Belfort weighed in at 186, but I’ll bet my right arm that as we speak right now, Belfort is walking around weighing close to 195, having regained the water weight. So if Belfort weighs 195 on fight night and Johnson weighs 197, what exactly is the problem?
good, well written piece. enkjoy your posts, keep em comin
the problem is the contract was signed for 185 lbs. its as simple as that. no doubt Vitor would make 205..he fought 190 against Franklin…but the contract for the fight says middleweight. there is nothing wrong with it, if Vitor knew all along this was the case…
if you are that sick, that the UFC doc says to not make weight? i dunno i got Belfort…have the doctors ever done that with anyone else?
Thanks for the compliment, G
Everything you say is true. However, my intention is not so much to defend Johnson as to point out that the whole system is a joke, and he is merely a victim of that system.
By holding weigh-ins a day before a fight, the UFC has created an incentive for everybody to cheat by dehydrating themselves before the weigh-in, and then rehydrating afterwards and fighting at a heavier weight.
When you create such a silly game, everybody has to play it. The fighter that chooses not to cut weight will find himself always fighting opponents 10-20 pounds heavier than himself, because they played the dehydrate/rehydrate game, and he didn’t.
So rather than blame Johnson for not making the contracted weight, I’d rather point out that it is the system motivating this kind of behavior, and as long as the charade continues, this will continue to happen. Being able to dehydrate yourself to the point that your health is jeopardized in order to cheat the scale should not be the measure of a ‘professional’ fighter.
I like the idea of same day weigh-ins. Should of read your post before replying to you in just blog guys.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 14, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Have you managed to watch "Public enemy #1"?
Yesterday I watched both the Swedish and American version of “The girl with the dragon tattoo”.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 14, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that movie was really good
Pro Sig record:10-5
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Sig bet with ItalionStallion on Vitor-Fatty. VITOR
STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKERS
which one? both i mentioned are very good.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 14, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
American
havent heard anything about the swedish one.
Pro Sig record:10-5
1 Month sig bet with 10th Degree Whitebelt that DJ does NOT win the FLW tournament
Sig bet with KaleJohnCox on Alves-Kamp. ALVES
Sig bet with ItalionStallion on Vitor-Fatty. VITOR
STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKERS
well its a swedish book made into a swedish file, then the americans cashed in recently. best thing is it's a trilogy.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
No not yet. It’s on my ‘to watch’ list though. I like to do them in batches. I’ve no interest in seeing Girl with the dragon tattoo. I can’t stand thrillers and action movies, and it looks like both.
it's a good mystery. i reccomend the books first and then the movies.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Same day weigh ins, problem
I had to do same day weighs ins my whole life, I wrestled since I was 5 years old. I learned/heard over the years that studies show your brain is significantly more prone to damage, siezures, even death, when u r everly dehydrated. I know, DUH! But thats why they cant do same day weigh ins in UFC. The fighters will do the same practices and put MMA at greater risk of dying in cage. And thats all MMA needs is a death to put an end to the sport. If u guys want a good Doc. to watch, heres 2 I have enjoyed. King of Kong, Exit thru the gift shop,
but if the weigh in was close enough to fight time they wouldn't cut because they wouldn't have time to rehydrate.
Weigh them in when they enter the cage.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i guess that could work
but u would still get idiots who would go in cage dehydrated and put themselves at risk of brain damage or worse. Dumb but u know guys would
yeah they we need to test for that also.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
In highschool we did a test
Where we pee’d in a cup and they measured how hydrated we were. Then we weighed in right after. They then told us how much weight we could cut for the season. They called it certifying your weight. If u got caught wrestling 2 weight classes below where u certified u were dq’d. Now in hs they didnt really keep track that well. But maybe the UFC could make fighters certify their weight at begining of training camp or something along those lines. Guys could still cut, but it would be a proper more healthier cut. Not that any cutting is healthy but u know what I mean. Does this make sense?
Johnson for example
At begining of training camp or a month b4 fight certified at 230. They could say a month ahead of time, look fights off. U r to heavy, the cut is to dangerous. They then could call Vitor and be like hes not on target to make weight, u can take a catch wieght fight or find another opponent. That way Vitor doesnt get screwed having to go thru his own cut, just to have other guy miss weight. Now before any of u rip my ideas, they r just ideas/suggestions on how to maybe make system better.
that sounds easier and cheaper to do then I had pictured.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
That's not true. I have a friend that was South-American Judo vice-champ
And he lost the championship because of a bad weight-cut. Judo competitions (as JJ competitions) do same-day weigh-ins, and a lot of guys, not only him, did cut weight before competing.
I guess everybody was so drained they leveled themselves lol.
It was really tough, we live in a city that has an average of 30º C everyday and he would jog wearing an aluminum foil around his body, or with three gis on to lose water, right before fighting. Crazy.
I'm 20 years in and I still win.
Hendo is a perfect example of how screwed the system is
at 185 he’s half the fighter he is at 205…He said he had to drink a few extra bottles of water before the weigh-ins to make it up to 206 to fight Fedor because he actually is just under 205. Yet for him cutting that 19 lbs to get down to MW (where he could fight other guys who weigh around 205 is too hard on his body and hurts his fighting ability. So instead he fights at 205 where he is at his best, but has to face guys like Rampage, Shogun, & Rashad who are cutting from 215-225 and even guys like Forrest, Tito, & Bones who are cutting from 240 or more. Some guys have a freakish ability to cut weight and exploit the loophole in the system to gain an unfair size advantage over guys who can’t cut as much weight. Then the guys who don’t want to cut like Akiyama & Frankie are at a big disadvantage because when they fight at their optimal weight they are fighting competitors 20+ lbs heavier. Guys like Rumble, Bones, Anderson, & Maynard can cut ridiculous amounts of weight. But lets be truthful here, while weight cutting may be a skill (though a lot of it is also genetics), it is NOT a FIGHTING SKILL. I repeat, WEIGHT CUTTING IS NOT A MARTIAL ART!!!!. We’re not watching "The Biggest Loser" here, we’re watching "The Ultimate FIGHTER" and weight cutting is circumventing the weight class system which was created for the sole purpose of insuring that fighters DON’T have a significant size advantage over their opponents.
To me weight cutting is like cycling steroids…in a number of ways:
1) It’s unhealthy
2) It gives those fighters who do it a big advantage over those who don’t
3) the loopholes in testing that allow it to happen create a culture where fighters are pressured to do it because those who fight natural are disadvantaged.
4) some are better at exploiting the loophole than others. The ones who screw up their timing and low-peak (or cycle off) at the wrong time get caught like Rumble (or Barnett/Marquardt).The ones who master it don’t get caught and are rewarded with an unfair advantage like Bones & Maynard (or Overroids).
The spirit of weight classes is that guys are supposed to be fighting guys their own size. Otherwise it makes no sense to have weight classes at all. But knowing exactly when their weight will be checked and that they will have a full day to recover gives them a loophole by which they can circumvent the purpose of the law. In other words, you agree to fight at 205, but you know nobody’s checking at the time you actually fight, so you weigh in at 205 the day before and then fight at 225. The problem is so systemic that people don’t even question it anymore. "It’s not cheating if you can get away with it." And people say, "But if everybody does it, then it’s still fair, so what’s the problem?" .
The problem is: (actually there are 2 problems):
1) Not everyone is doing it and not everyone can do it and some can do it a lot more than others. And since weight cutting is not a FIGHTING skill, it should not be allowed to be a determining factor in competition, which it often is. We currently have a LHW champ who walks around taller, longer, and HEAVIER than our HW champion. So why does Bones get to beat up 205ers while JDS has to face 265ers??? Answer: Because Bones body type and wrestling background allow him to cut more weight than Junior can and still be healthy enough to fight. But make no mistake, Bones would be a better fighter at his natural weight of 240. He just wouldn’t have the same advantages over his opponents that he currently enjoys (like 20+ lbs and 11 inches of reach). He’d rather fight at 80% of his potential against guys 25 lbs smaller like Shogun than fight at 100% of himself against guys like Cain and JDS (let alone Carwin & Overeem).
2) We seldom get to actually see fighters at their best. Firstly because they are not fighting at their natural weight where they would have their optimal strength and energy. Secondly because they spend so much of their preparation time trying to gain this advantage (or just trying to keep up with their opponent’s weight cut so as not to be DISadvantaged), and that’s time they could be working on their skills & strategy, but instead it’s wasted playing a game that has nothing to do with martial arts, to do something that actually makes them LESS effective fighters, just so they can keep up with the Joneses (literally) and not be left behind as the runt of the litter.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
awesome post Shonuff agree 1 million %
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Fantastic
Very well said. Thanks for fleshing out the argument with actual stats and fighter histories. The system is a joke, and it’s time people stopped accepting that ’that’s just the way it is’ and take a second look at all the downsides.
System is a joke yes
But what is the answer? This has been going on since wrestling started. No one can come up with a answer because there is no right answer to this problem.
good question, best solution I've seen is in...I think its NJ
Some fighters won’t even fight there because in that state they are required to do a second weigh-in on fight day and cannot have gained…I think it’s more than 2% of their weigh-in weight. It’s not perfect, but weighing roughly he same two days in a row means fighters cannot do a purge & binge and come into the fight 20+ lbs heavier the next day, which theoretically means they’d have to fight in a weight class that they can actually sustain while healthy, not dehydrated.
It isn’t perfect, but it’s a helluva lot better than what we’ve got now.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
couldn't agree more, Motmaitre
I get so sick of the “that’s just the way it is” defense for broken systems. It’s like people who just accept corruption in politics or on the police force or whatever because after all “hey, you had the same opportunity to exploit the system that that guy had”. We’ve developed such a culture of “take whatever you can” that basic ideas like fairness and honor are becoming “old fashioned” and even good people are succumbing to the pragmatic pressures of “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em”. We love it in the movies when one honest guy stands up against the system and prevails, but in real life, we all know that 99% of the time that guy gets trampled into the dust and forgotten because nobody else will stand up with him.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
good post shonuff. Hendo and shogun are great examples.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jan 15, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I saw somewhere that vitor was 204 and johnson was 211 come fight time
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
I have to back you up on this one
I like the discussion about the purpose of weight classes and what honestly really means in this situation. However, Johnson missing weight (despite his best efforts) has nothing to do with honestly…picking a suitable weight class would be “honest”.
Weight cutting is a cheaters game and Johnson wasn’t able to cheat as much as he would have liked to. Failing at an attempt to cheat doesn’t make you honest.
by otherdarkmeat on Jan 16, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Most fighters look to have a physical advantage over their opponent
So they fight at a weight class (or two) below their natural weight.
Some see “that” as cheating, but if they make the cut, I don’t see the problem.
How did you get a Rec with no comments? Do you have two accounts?
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Some see "that" as cheating, but if they make the cut, I don’t see the problem.
The ‘problem’ is that they make the cut through dehydration, and then 12 hours later they are 5-10 pounds heavier heading into the Octagon. So the whole ‘making weight’ ceremony is a joke. Johnson is only being excoriated because he couldn’t participate in the joke. It doesn’t mean that he’s really going to be any heavier than Belfort on fight night.
I undertstand your point
Fighters lose water not fat before weigh in.
But, the fact that johnson didn’t make 185 means there’s a good possibility he’d be in better physical condition than Vitor since he didn’t have to go through the vigorous water cut.
If fighters had to lose weight before the fight, they’d have to lose actual fat and muscle, otherwise they wouldn’t be stable to fight
It would also result in fairer matchups. Anthony would be forced to make the move to 205. Although the same would go for Vitor…
And…Rampage to Heavyweight…
Basically… every fighter moving up one weight class…
Fuck it, I’m fine with the water diet.
If fighters want to weighin the day before, add a dehydration test during weighins
If a fighter has 8% percent body fat and decides to drop to 6% and he can still be hydrated at weighins the day before, that’s ok with me.
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
Except that for health reasons one can't lower his fat percentage that much.
Let’s not act like fat doesn’t play a role in a normal human physiology, because it does. Some people will never be able to go down to, say, 2 % body fat and others will. It’s just normal variations from human being to human being.
I'm 20 years in and I still win.
Johnson is going to be heavier than Belfort on fight night for sure.
Also, cutting weight is not an issue. As there are advantages and disadvantages to the system. You want to cut 20 lbs, then guess what, you might feel like shit the next day, and you might gas much quicker than the guy who only cut 10 lbs.
The problem is, people who don’t make the weight like Johnson, aren’t getting the disadvantages of trying to cut so much weight. But I guess him losing 20% of his purse would be considered a disadvantage, but for the purpose of the actual fight, it’s not.
You are right.
But what it means is that if fighter A works his ass off to make weight and fighter B half asses it and doesn’t make weight and they step in the cage together then fighter B has an unfair advantage because he didn’t work as hard for the cut.
Weight limits protect the fighters from danger. And your other point, weighing in before the fight wouldbe incredibly dangerous as fighters would still cut to reap the advantage then step in the cage dehydrated and weakened putting themselves in danger.
There isn’t a simple solution but I appreciate your post and take on the situation.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Jan 15, 2012 4:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am of the persuasion that they should have weigh-ins the day of the fight, because the fight day-weight alone is the weight that truly matters.
If they still wish to do weigh-ins the day before, then it should be for the purpose of determining which fighter is on track for the fight the following day, and nothing more – a measuring stick, if you will.
The problem this presents, though, is that if on the day of the fight a fighter has not made weight, it leaves little time to execute a backup plan.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
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thank you for writing this motmaitre btw i’ve be disgusted over this shit. not because he missed weight again because his doctor told him he couldnt lose more weight how could i be mad at that? its the fact that these no exercising fat fucking nerds on BE all think they know what the fuck someone does to be a fighter.its ridiculous i mean yeah make fun of the situation but to call him a faggot and that he should be cut and that he’s unprofessional when you( i mean lorenzo and dana when i say this since their ALWAYS throwing guys under the bus) let fucking 0-4 dan hardy still fight you look at cyborg like she’s a witch or something and should never be loved again but chael gets a title shot as soon as anderson gets back and dont let me start on nick diaz who everyone thinks is just delightful and i love his fighting so much omg FUCK OFFF!!!! YES I AM REALLY MAD ABOUT THIS lol like come on i understand he missed weight but if there’s a legitimate reason then you cant fault this guy for trying his best and its just 197 just like you said vitor will probably be at 195.
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I can't take anything you said seriously
Tone it down if you want anyone to take anything you say seriously and your point will be much more effective.
Also, if he can’t do it safely, move up in weight. Then he won’t be a danger to himself. Its really pretty simple. He fought at ww and can’t even come close to mm? He had weeks to get in a position to make the cut safely and the responsibility and blame is completely on him and his team to male sure he can get to his CONTRACTUAL weight.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Jan 15, 2012 4:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
im with you
imo the weigh-ins are just part of the build up to the fight.i like the idea of same day weigh ins too.it would probably mean everyone fighting a weight class above but so what thats their natural weight anyway plus theres health implications to cutting weight all the time.Who cares if Tibau fights at 170,if GSP fights at 185,if Bones fights at hw,if Silva fights at 205,at least it will be a level playing field for eveyone.Cutting weight is a skill mastered by fighters,especially wrestlers over the years that they have an unfair advantage to begin with anyway and fighters that haven mastered the cut come into the fight sluggish.Simples
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
And you know what really pisses me off at the end of the day tho
is that most of you wont even watch this cuz your sweet lil jon jones or anyone else whose a media gem isnt on this card. but as soon as AJ doesnt miss weight oh this is the biggest thing about this fight and now your so fired up. whatever i hope anthony STILL wins against vitor even tho i like vitor and jose keeps his belt. im a real mma fan who cares about fighters well beings cant we just stop for one minute being this nerdy unfunny group of fickle fans and uninformed people damn!
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
"most of you wont even watch this cuz your sweet lil jon jones or anyone else whose a media gem isnt on this card"
Doubt it, dude.
This is an MMA-fan site first and foremost, not a Jon Jones-fan site.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
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hey you couldve fooled me sir
still doesnt change my mind how everyone and their mom bandwagoned on shitting on a guy for a weigh in
and i can pull up a WWWWWWWHOOOOLLLLLEEE lot of content on this site thats not mma related soooo
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I'm not saying that the guys don't have their loyalties.
Of course they do.
I’m just saying that I doubt they would choose not to watch an event because their favourite fighter wasn’t on it.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
(¯`i´¯)´·¸.)‹^›
Holy shit your sweeping generalizations
Reflect how much of an uneducated idiot you are. Mother of god. Pathetic.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
im sorry if i was loud and extra black just now lol i just dont like when things in mma like this happen. weight cutting sucks i used to wrestle since middle school and i was always fat until i grew into my body and went from 290 with huge heavyweight brock monsters to my natural 190 -180 weight. my point is even then if i wanted to make 180 which is easy but not easy when your on a schedule and have to make that weight in like 2 weeks and your at 198 or something. it can be done but physically and health wise its not a good idea to lose weight and gain it like this. im glad his doctor told him stop because im sorry i dont wanna see james irvin at 185 again i just dont
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
cutting weight is a skill
i am not against the fighter doing this but you cant deny that it is against the spirit of the law. well there will always be the downside of cutting weight prior weigh in so that you have a slight weight advantage over your opponent. its gonna affect your conditioning. so i say, let it be.
ok..so did he not already move up a weight class to avoid this problem??
yes…and now he still misses weight for a heavier class…that is the issue…and i don’t see why the weigh in should not be the day before the fights..i don’t want to see a bunch of dehydrated fools fighting out there….let them make the weight the day before…hydrate..then fight their asses off…and the stupid ones leave it so last minute (weight cut) that they make themselves sick and some can’t even recover from the process by the next day and shit the bed in the octagon… it is terribly unprofessional to not meet the weight you were scheduled to fight at…and missing by 4 pounds is not so bad..but 12 fucking pounds!! and then they say he was 2 pounds away from the weight he needed to be..but made himself so sick by doing that that they had to hydrate him before the weigh ins…well sir…it’s your own damn fault!!
Look if the mn can make 170
Then he can make 185
YES…this is his downfall, hes not very consistent at cutting wieght, but still its not like he cant make wieght
AJ will win tonight
I’m the biggest fag on mania, I’m more queer than a football bat, I wish i could get all brokeback with Cowboy, I should never pick a country boy to beat a thug. I was out of my mind and will never dis the Diaz brothers again. Actually Nate is the one that’s going to take Frankie’s title. Cruz Jackson is a demigod to all you bitches. and i am his bitch now, I have lost twice to him. Someone please pick a sig bet with him as i can no longer afford to take the beating i have taken.
by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 14, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions
I like to think a fighter’s ability to dangerously dehydrate himself should not be how we judge him. We should judge him based on his ability to fight. A system that requires cutting weight drastically as a standard practice should be reexamined. These guys are fighters, not supermodels.
fine...force all fighters to fight at their walking weight...no weight cuts
but that never happens..
I think his point is
Yes AJ fucked up
But he is a fighter, lets watch him fight
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by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sarah then we couldn’t have weight classes. There will always be those fighters who fall in between .
Weight cuts are normal in combat sports. There is nothing wrong with it.
i think weight cut is fine if you are realistic about it..
don’t try and cut 30lbs in 24 hours..or whatever crazy amount he tried to reach…i just shake my head at the fighters that do not give themselves an amount that is attainable to cut before the fight! i was joking about fighters fighting at walking weight..that ain’t never gonna happen..lol
Touche...
I never looked at it that way, but you’re right. Weigh-ins mean nothing. It’s simply a photo-op for the fans and the media.
News Flash: Fight Night Weight: Belfort 206, Johnson 212
Which conclusively proves my point that the whole weigh-in ceremony, and the weight-cutting that precedes it, is a complete joke.
Belfort weighs in at 186, and fights at 206: 20 pounds heavier. So what exactly is the point of the weigh-in again?
And Johnson, whom everybody was berating as if he raped grandma, turns out to be only 6 pounds (2%) heavier than Belfort on fight night. So what was all the fuss about again?
More seriously, should he lose 20% of his purse for not making weight at a weigh-in ceremony that has zero relationship to the fighters’ actual weights on fight night?
Dana isnt going to dump the UFC weighin events the night before...
it has to come from the commission or someone dies. 20% deducted if does not pass hydration test and make weight… low fat percentage is okay but being dehydrated is not
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A well written article...
But I have to disagree with your dislike of the weight class system. Although, let me make it clear that I am no supporter of excessive weight cutting, and would not, if I was a fighter, cut more than 5 pounds in a day to weigh in. My point is that as a professional fighter, it is only sportsmanlike to fight a roughly similar sized person, and the contracted weight classes are there to make sure that we, as fans, dont have to watch pointless freak fights. In a perfect world, a fighter would be confident enough in his physical abilities to cut no weight, and simply adjust his training and diet to accommodate his most comfortable weight class LONG before he signs to fight his opponent at a specific weight. That, as a professional of the highest level of public exposure in your sport, should be your number one concern. Anthony Johnson showed nothing but disrespect for his employers and for his opponent. Just as he has disrespected every opponent that he has cut 20+ lbs to fight.
Also, if your opponent makes a weight cut that you didnt make then you still have an unfair advantage because no matter what you both weigh the next day, the fighter who cut the weight won’t feel nearly as good fight night than a fighter who didnt bother
by brauheist06 on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

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