Dana White is excited to 'smash and discredit' the 'hacks' at ESPN
by Jesse Holland on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST
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If you bluff, prepare to have your bluff called.
That's the message from UFC President Dana White, who took to his official Twitter account on Thursday to let the mixed martial arts (MMA) community know he's ready for the "hack job" ESPN and Josh Gross are set to unleash on him and the rest of the ZUFFA brass regarding fighter pay.
In fact, ESPN E:60 has a video interview with UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta, who debates the topic of his promotion as a "monopoly" against current and former fighters like Ken Shamrock.
A preview of that conversation can be found here.
Now that the proverbial cat is out of the bag, White claims he has video footage of his own. Raw, unedited footage that will likely paint a much different picture than the one presented by ESPN.
Here's what he said:
Josh (Gross) is a pessimistic scumbag who pitched the story. The beauty is we filmed the interview too. We will air the entire interview as is no edits after ESPN airs theirs! Looking very forward to this :) an attempt by gross and ESPN to do a hack job on us we were ready this time!! We are gonna blast these hacks!! I'm in Rio but my stuff is ready to roll!!! I'm excited to smash and discredit ESPN and the piece they did!! So pumped! can't stand the lying 2 faced media fucks!! So glad we did this one right cause ESPN can NOT be trusted. can't stand the lying 2 faced media fucks!!
Here's a video preview of the interview in question:
The UFC/ESPN relationship, on shaky ground from the word go, has been further complicated by the promotion's recent long-term broadcast deal with FOX Sports.
Can Dana White and his "monopoly" rebuttal win over the jury in the court of public opinion?
Stay tuned.
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Pay Per View Cut?
What kind of numbers are they getting?
by JimmieGreens on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
We will air the entire interview as is no edits after ESPN airs theirs! Looking very forward to this :) an attempt by gross and ESPN to do a hack job on us we were ready this time!! …can’t stand the lying 2 faced media fucks!!
Two faced and hack jobs with media spin of editing footage to fit their agenda makes them hacks huh? Has Dana watched TUF?
\m/
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Reality tv vs. reporting media?
Not the same in any way shape or form. Everyone knows reality tv is spun to shit.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Jan 13, 2012 2:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Um...
Everbody knows major news networks and sports media is spun to shit…
\m/
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 14, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
There is a full article on ESPN's website
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7452261/ufc-fighters-say-low-pay-most-painful-hit-all
It is pretty interesting. The only problem is, it is hard to tell who is telling the truth when there is no real financial information available to the public. We see the fighters base salaries, and the gate at UFC events, but there are bonuses given that are unknown and overall profits are unknown. So the claims made in some of the interviews can’t be substantiated on fighter revenew. But you all can read it and make up your own minds, honestly I am reserving an opinion due to lack of information.
Wow
Imagine someone like Dana White whose every word is pretty much a lie, having a problem with people “lying” about him. I’m so sick of hearing this hypocrite run his dugan chugger. The guy lies so much he should have been a politician.
I used this gif for Aries, but it applies to you much more.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
EdSoares'Contribution is to negativity what Tyron Woodley is to wrasslefucking.
By nature men are nearly alike; by practice they get to be wide apart. (Confucius )
This reminds me so much of the Michael Jackson Interview by that Indian guy (sorry do not remember names)
The interview where jackson says he gives kids warm milk and then give a creepy YYEESSSS.. When Michael released the full video it revealed the kind of hack job that interviewer did, as much as I though Michael was guilty of a lot of shit, it was still sucky yet funny how michael got stabbed in the back by this guy.
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
If Dana didn't use such foul language people in the Main stream
might take him more seriously, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he was right now ESPN trying to pull something, that’s what the media does. Hack jobs.
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
Why dont you cry about it
The mainstream is just a bunch of bandwagon jumping bitches, look how fast they jump on and off the tebow bandwagon.
#SkipsTebowBandwagon
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Foot got run over by Tebow Wagon, Cursing yelled at general direction.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
Go Chargers (oh yeah I said that)
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
You're an idiot.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
what the hell are you talking about
I hate political correctness personally. I don’t give a fuck about Tebow or any such nonsense man.
But I’m talking about the over all picture man. Don’t confuse me with douchebags like that. That’s why I hate the internet… and typing.. things get lost in translation man.
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
Fighter X is a pussy.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions
UFC is far less of a monopoly....
…than the NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB.
TFK
Check out the MMA Forums at http://www.boxingfanatics.com/forums/f24/
in what way?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Name another professional foot ball league besides the NFL.
Name another professional hockey league besides the NHL.
Name another professional baseball league besides the MLB.
Name another professional basketball league besides the NBA.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
easy
Canadian Football League, Russian Super League, Nippon Professional Baseball, Liga Nacional de Basquetbol (Argentina’s pro league, widely considered one of the best outside of the NBA).
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad your goggle works, but I, can, like many, cannot name a single league other than those,
I can however, name many MMA organizations besides the UFC. Strikeforce, Bellator, KOTC, Dream, ect ect.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I actually named 3 of those 4 off the top of my head
but I’m a pretty big sports geek, you’re right, most people don’t know that. Most people don’t know other MMA leagues either
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
NONE of those leagues you named are in the United States. Lets try stay on point please.
by SprucesWild on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
what's that have to do with the price of tea in china?
Dream doesn’t count because it’s in Japan? Pride didn’t count? One FC doesn’t count? M1 doesn’t count? OK maybe M1 doesn’t count :B
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you couldn't use the UFC as legitimate competition to Pride in 2004 because it was not in Japan?
huh?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
No they don’t count, because they are in different countries. Monopolies can only be accounted as existent if they are based in a single economy. Anti-trust laws are American laws. Therefore Nippon Professional Baseball, does not exempt the MLB from being a monopoly, because it is not subject to American economic rules.
by SprucesWild on Jan 13, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA
pay attention to the argument before trying to act smart.
Name another professional foot ball league besides the NFL. Name another professional hockey league besides the NHL.
Name another professional baseball league besides the MLB.
Name another professional basketball league besides the NBA.
Question posed…question answered. It has already been determined the the Big 4 sports leagues are exempt from anti-trust so your interuption is only that…an interruption
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Ugh the name another league thing only came up based on the question of whether or not UFC was a monopoly. Therefore my point is more than valid. Seems like your the one that should be paying attention to the argument.
try harder
The question was posed to snarkily rebut someone’s question, which that person then snarkily replied to uin the form of an answer.
It has nothing to do with the actual conversation, so you attempting to interject your intelligence into a sarcastic conversation is not warranted.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
and neither is my comment to you.
Cheers.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies so making a snarky comment isn’t some one’s way of trying to defend their side of the argument???
Ed didn't have an argument at that point.
He was just being snarky, as I was to you and you returned the favor. ;)
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
No Ed did have an argument at that point. It was the Bundas Liga dude that didn’t have an argument and tried to attempt to save face with snarkyness as you are doing now.
My "arguement"
was a simple answer to the question brought in front of me. Name other leagues. I did. There’s plenty other to talk about, but that was a simple Q/A
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Cuz we all call in from work to see argentina’s pro league’s championship game.lol
FAIL!
2 week sig bet with Armando Baez
ufc 142
Goldmouth- rumble Baez- Belfort
You could if you want to
The internet exists. Satellite TV exists. You choose not to, but that’s your call,not because you’re completely incapable of it. Also, wtf calls out of work to watch UFC?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Did you scour the internet for Pride vidoes in 2004?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
pride had some of the bestfighters in the world and was arguably the #1 mma org
None of those leagues mentioned are even close. They would never be in the conversation as the #1 org of rheir sport.
2 week sig bet with Armando Baez
ufc 142
Goldmouth- rumble Baez- Belfort
being the #1 org
wasn’t the question.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
yes it is
The ufc is to mma what the nba is to basketball. Yeah there are other orgs,but they are all small time when compared to the nba. Pride is done and right now there is no org on the same level as the ufc.all i’m saying is the ufc is the equivalent of the nba,nfl,etc,etc..maybe i am lost on this argument.
2 week sig bet with Armando Baez
ufc 142
Goldmouth- rumble Baez- Belfort
It is not the size of hte organization, it is the structure and prior legal ruling.
Zuffa owns a controlling interest of the UFC.
To make this an equal comparison…one NFL owner would have to own 17 teams, ie a controlling interest, but to match the 89% that the Fertita’s own, it would mean one owner owns 29 teams.
Since there are 32 owners in the NFL, and the gov’t has implied an anti-trust exemption due to the ability to bid on players, the NFL is not even remotely comparable to the UFC in this type of argument.
Make sense?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
They are also two very different sports you are trying to compare.
One involes nothing buy individuals who are paid individually by the company.
The other involves hundreds and hundreds of pkayers on teams owned by different people, and said players are paid by their team. Not the NFL.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
but other teams can compete for one individual's labor in the NFL.
There is no price competition in the UFC.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
The NFL as a league sets the pay scale, i.e. Salary caps and minimum salary. So there is a comparison to be made. Just because 32 people are fighting over a player doesn’t mean the pay structure is all that different for each of the 32.
In conjuntion with the NFLPA the salary cap is set and the percentage of revenue going ot the players.
Zuffa, alone, sets the wage scale with each fighter individually.
Big Difference. Collective bargaining versus individual bargaining. I know which side I would rather be on, in both cases.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
I fail to see how there is a difference. Both orgs pay there employees with their revenues. And each employee bargains for what they see is a fair price. Just because of minor fluctuations between 32 owners doesn’t make the NFLs pay any different than the UFC’s.
You really don't see a difference?
On one hand you have price competition, on one you don’t.
If Drew Brees doesn’t like the offer New Orleans gives him this offseason, there are probably 15 other tems that would pay him as much, if not more, to play for them.
If GSP doesn’t like the money the UFC is paying him…he goes where? Japan?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
There is no difference. The New Orleans Saints are not a football league. They cannot produce a product solely by themselves. The NFL offers the product. The NFL determines salaries and The NFL brings in the revenues. If the NFL decides it doesn’t want any more football. There is NO football and Drew Brees is no longer playing football. He can’t go to the Dallas Cowboys to get paid because there is no more football, because the NFL is gone.
so much wrong with this comment...
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
why god, why?
The NFL offers the product
“The NFL” is not a stand alone entity. It is the combination of 32 individual businesses that have agrre to form a coalition for greater revenue sharing. The 32 teams employ the commissioner adn all of he employees that comprise “The NFL”/
The NFL determines salaries
Nope. Individual contracts with teams, not the league.
The NFL brings in the revenues
Nope. 32 individual businesses that share certain revenues.
If the NFL decides it doesn’t want any more football. There is NO football
Nope. Each of the 32 owners could form another league, or all the players could form their own league. The 32 owners employ “the NFL” and choose to do so to remain in business.
You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
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by Ulf Murphy on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
aaaaaaaand thats a rec
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
go back to bloody tampon and take the excessive rec bullshit with you
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 14, 2012 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
no it wasn't the question
Name another professional foot ball league besides the NFL.
Name another professional hockey league besides the NHL.
Name another professional baseball league besides the MLB.
Name another professional basketball league besides the NBA.
Perhaps in your mind, it was, but that wasn’t what was put in front of me.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
In the USA
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Arena League Football, Independent Baseball League, Harlem Globetrotters (I don’t actually follow hockey, but I’m sure there’s some small org out there somewhere).
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
The Harlem Globetrotters are not a basketball league.
They are a gimmick, almost like a play that employs what, 20 people?
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
and the teams they play against
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Globetrotter are worked players not meant to be taken as super real.. AKA wrestling
Independent baseball… HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Hey do some research and look up congress and baseball and the law that made them a legalized monopoly.
Arena football not real footballl
Again baseball.. Ha your too funny.
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
You're an idiot.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
he's just grasping for straws
weak arguments coming from a weak mind. you should just ignore him.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 14, 2012 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
also all of those leagues have separate owners
who compete for players. Lawsuits have been filed and won in the past to prevent them from participating in anti-competitive behavior (MLB in the 80s for example)
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
UFC is a brand of MMA
NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB are also brands of their respective sports.
How are they not be looked at as a Monopoly when they run very similar to the UFC. All of which are the pinacle of their sports. All of which have smaller rival organizations… but lets be honest, who watches any of them.
by RockhardMMA on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
All of those leagues have anti-trust exemptions, or implied exemptions due to the player's unions.. The UFC does not.
The major difference being that more than 25 owners exist in the other professional sports. Zuffa is Zuffa.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
They aren't run similar to Zuffa at all
what Ulf said
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
all those leagues also have player's unions. the ufc does not, ufc fighters are at the mercy of their employers.
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by theoregonduck on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
also there are multiple other owners competing with each other
to get a winning team
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. comparing the ufc and nfl, mlb, etc is literally apples and oranges
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by theoregonduck on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Because Player's Unions are a great idea.... NOT
I am not a fan of Unions, as they end up in strikes, and we as fans loose out.
I know they are in place to help benefit the players, but in most cases this causes more issues then it resolves.
Dana has always says he never gets complaints from his fighters, and gives them plenty of extras when they perform.
lololololol
Dana has always says he never gets complaints from his fighters
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
There is a fallicy there. Dodger indepent team to a point however they are all over seen by the MLB. MLB went after the Dodgers and forced McCourt to SELL. MLB is a Legalized Monopoly. You try starting the USA Baseball League and see what happens.
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Dana should really learn how to be professional in a public forum, it would help people take his take more seriously. He very well could be right, although I think ti is clear that MMA fighters in general are grossly under paid.
I agree with both points
I hope that changes in the future but it’s stupid to have boxing wages 20 mil a fight is stupid
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
Agreed
I think Mayweather made something like 25 million dollars in his last fight. That kind of cash in ridiculous. A couple million I could understand, but not making in one day what some MLB players get paid per season.
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why?
He is the one on display and he should be the one making the money.
If (Insert sports figure here) didn’t make the money, be damned sure that someone is making it.
Do not hate the player, hate the game. Cliche, I know, but if people are going to buy it, get pissed at them, not the person making the money because people bought it.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
agreed
he’s at the point where he and his small group (Top Rank iirc) are promoting themselves, rather than a stable of 300+ fighters like the UFC
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
What I would like to see
is profits spread as evenly as possible, but 25mil a fight is a bit much….
I understand where you’re coming from though
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
Profits will never be even(unless manny and mayweather fight).
Were talking about boxing here.
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by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
is profits spread as evenly as possible
Why? People don’t show up to watch Nam Phan (first guy that popped in my head) except for his family and both of his die-hard fans. people show up,and pay, to see GSP, which is why he is making $5mm per fight.
If you reaa the article link above, Monty Cox has it right. It will take either a promotion matching the UFC or a fighter’s union encompassing the 30 best MMA fighters for Zuffa to truly start being concerned about fighter pay and equality.
Either that or Zuffa gets broken up by the government on anti-trust violations.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
I did read the article
and I probably should have explained what was in my head. They have it right that bigger stars should make more money. I should have tried to explain….
each fighter gets a small cut of ppv revenue, increasing depending on your contract and ranking… does that makes more sense?
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
It does, but has never happened that way and never will.
How can you negotiate 1/1,000 of onepercent PPV cut with a guy nobody ever heard of?
The MMA fighter pay scale is out of whack, but there has yet to be a version of an MMA promotion that was able to succeed other than the current model. Elite XC, Affliction, even SF attempted to go the route of boxing and pay a larger percentage of revenue to the fighters and all of them failed, although SF only failed because of the buy-out.
I find it funny that everyone comes on here and bitches that fighters are paid too little, but go back and look at the salary thread for Cung Le after he fought Wnady and all everyone does is bitch about how overpaid he is, lol.
Catch-22.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Yeah
I thought his pay was fair, big name, co main event or main event or “featured bouts” the fighters deserve something extra….
on that note, I would like to see Cung Le back as a welterweight….
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
In order to believe a fighters pay is ‘fair.’ You would have to know the entire organizational accounting. Which I think is safe to say, You don’t.
by SprucesWild on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I took an accounting course
a couple semesters ago… I got a B+, not what I want to do with my life and you raise a point, but I’m not sure what it is or what your were contributing there….
I am presenting something impossible, I am well aware of that. happy Friday man
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
I’m not denying that you do or do not know accounting in general. What I am saying is you don’t know the Revenue and the expenses of said organization. If it costs the org. $50,000 in overhead and they only have a revenue stream of $52,000 for the event. It is impossible for them to pay any fighter more than $2,000.
by SprucesWild on Jan 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not true at all
you need to define “fair” in the market place. Your version of fair may notbe my version of fair and therefore you might get paid more than me.
The organizational accounting has nothing to do with anything here.
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
you guys are taking this whole thing
way too seriously :P
"I am the tomato can that crushed your champion, live with it."
He may be the one fighting
But that doesn’t justify a $20+ million payday. If he’s getting paid that much per fight, he needs to shut the fuck up and sign the fight with Pacman already. Frustration with Mouthweather aside, I personally feel pro athletes shouldn’t get the ridiculous sums they get to play a sport. A couple million a year makes more sense than several million in a night.
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah because he only worked one day and was paid 25 mil
he didn’t put in the half of year ahead of time to do any training or promoting or anything like that. nope, he just worked one day and made 25 mil.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not discounting the months of training.
Every athlete reasons and practices for their respective sport. The difference lies in how often they have their pay days. Mayweather can fight three or four times in a year, each time earning $20+ million, which is ridiculous. Other contracted athletes get their million dollar contracts spread out over the course of their contract, be it months or years. But you’re right, Mayweather isn’t to blame. Wr can thank guys like Don King and Bob Arum.
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
has he ever fought that many times in a year while making that kind of money?
nope. once he started getting the big paychecks his schedule dropped down to 1-2 fights per year max. he wouldn’t be able to make those big paydays as many times a year as you claim. It’s the same way all big money fighters are used, even in the UFC. 1-2 fights per year max so that when they do fight the demand to see them is big and all of their fans will buy the fights. If they were to fight 3-4 times per year the demand would diminish and fans would skip some fights because they’ll figure they can just watch him again in a couple of months.
and who would get the money if mayweather didn’t get paid that much? the profit is made so it has to go somewhere. who gets it? the other fighters that no one paid to see because they don’t know who they are or that they were even on the card? the corporate executives that sat behind the scenes and barely did any work? or the scum promoters that you mentioned? it should go to the person that is the reason the profit was made. if a fighter sells tickets and ppvs then they should be paid accordingly.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Jan 14, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
+1000000000000000
Uptight conservative people don’t care what the foul mouthed bald head guy in jeans and sport coat is saying. They will be too busy thinking how unprofessional he looks and sounds. I don’t mind it but when you’re dealing withpeople of that ilk,you gotta know how to act professional.
2 week sig bet with Armando Baez
ufc 142
Goldmouth- rumble Baez- Belfort
agree on the whole they are under paid
by biggant on Jan 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn.. Shamrock looked messed up
Dude needs to lay off the drugs for sure
Sig bets with umabig:
Condit beats Diaz on Feb. 4, 2 weeks
Akiyama beats Shields on Feb. 26, 2 week
Should be interesting to watch...
But man, Shamrock isn’t aging well. Looks all cracked out.
Minowaman forever
dana,espn
BOTH full of shit. The ufc would be better off with someone besides dana at the helm. This " this is the fight business so I can say fuckitty fuck fuckaroo all I want" is getting old. He wants ufc to grow and be accepted by more people but he still acts like he is 12
"eat shit." billions of flies cant be wrong
by salamagogo on Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dana helped put the ufc where they are today
why the hell would they be better off without him? they have lorenzo to be the professional one, dana is the one that most of the younger fans can relate to, and he is a breath of fresh air compared to the other boring as hell commissioners we have (selig, stern, goodell). I hope Dana doesn’t change a damn thing.
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
by detroit_fan on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
As someone who can't stand espn
I hope Dana kicks their ass in this. i can’t stand the garbage that espn puts out. i really hope the new nbc sports channel can become a serious rival.
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
Yea but the irony is
that espn is the UFC of sports broadcasting
OnJan 14th Chad Mendes will handily defeat Jose aldo, GUARANTEED
Chris Weidman IS a future UFC MW champion
by JonBon Joey on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
yep
hopefully nbc sports can put a dent into that. but it will take some time.
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
by detroit_fan on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
++
Who the eff is ESPN to be talkin about monopolies anyway?
by SprucesWild on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
no shit!
considering they pretty much to even acknowledge spots that they don’t have the right to!
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
by detroit_fan on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
*pretty much refuse to even acknowledge sports*
"If guns cause crime then all of mine are defective."
by detroit_fan on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
WTF are some of you guys bitching about. The best fighters fight under the same umbrella is good for the fans. The UFC is paying people more to fight then any other organization. Do you really want this sport to to turn into what boxing has? Thats what happens when you have no company that oversees the whole sport. You end up 6 different champions for every weight class that may or may not ever fight each other. Think about how bad it sucks that people like fedor never got a chance to fight some of the guys in the UFC while he was still kicking ass. We as fans lose out in those types of situations. I think people need to understand that just because your fight for the UFC dosent mean that you can quite your day job, thats just not the way it works at the moment. I think the average for new fighters in the UFC is 6k to fight and 6k to win. So assuming you fight 3 times a year and win every fight thats 36k before taxes. Thats not bad money but i assume your still going to have to work another job, and there isnt anything wrong with that, if you keep winning your next contract you will make more. Its not the UFCs responsibility to make every fighter rich, if you are good that will happen on its own.
+1000 for monopoly
MMA has benefited more with the UFC. Yes there is some fuckery every once in a while but in the grand scheme of things, it’s for the greater good to have a monopoly.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not saying that every fighter under UFC contract had to be rich
But at least pay them a little more. The fighter’s insurance was a great step for the organization, since it alleviates medical concerns, but if you’re in the UFC, I would assume you’ve already proven yourself enough to not suffer small show pay in thr biggest organization in the sport.
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What small shows pay people 12k to fight and win in your first fight in the organization? If your new to the UFC you still havent proven yourself you have shown that you a decent fighter and now its time to see if you can hang with the big boys. If you can you get paid. In sports you are paid by what you bring to the table. If you are a no name fighter fighting on the undercard of UFC you bring almost nothing to the table, and you sure as hell bring almost no money into the UFC. They just like every other company in the world pay you based on what you can do for them. This isn’t is hard to comprehend its simple math.
The argument is that if you've made out to the UFC, you've presumably proved yourself to Dana enough to move past the small show pay scale.
For instance, what does BAMMA or Shark fights pay their starting fighters? I’d imagine it’s something pretty similar to UFC starting pay. I know I’m dealing in hypotheticals, but if that is the case, shouldn’t the UFC make it a point to pay their new prospects more?
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don’t think you understand how fair compensation goes. Im all for every fighter making great money but I fully understand why they don’t. As I said before people are paid by what they bring to the table a unknown new UFC fighter bring almost nothing to the table. I looked for BAMMA pay scale numbers and couldn’t find anything but I can assure you its less then the 6k/6k the ufc offers. Even strikeforce fighters make less then that in the challenger series and Strikeforce is alot bigger the BAMMA. Ive seen people as low as $1000.
Point taken.
I’ll shut up now.
by KashAcous on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dana you are the embodiment of hack
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Relax Big Dog You Kno My Stance On This
by bezeau24 on Jan 13, 2012 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love the UFC. I love ESPN. But honestly, I have felt like ESPN’s coverage of the UFC has been a lot more slanted since they decided to go with FOX. It just smacks of “scorned lover” syndrome.
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If Dana ran the UFC like a real sport then espn would take mma much more serious .
That simple
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The UFC isn't a sport.
It’s a business. A very unique business.
Ron Paul 2012. Roll Tide Roll. Nick Diaz UFC Champ 2012.
by EdSoares'Contribution on Jan 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions
Bingo
209stk is the smartest poster on mania i will never doubt him or anyone from stockton ever again them boys out there are BEASTS
….nick and nate diaz will b champs this year and all the haters can elat a bloody vag…ultimatehuggingchamp is the biggest dumbfuck around and licks the sweat of my balls….STOCKTON 209…..y u mad 4 suckas!
by wooly shambler on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some of these comments are
very intelligent and well informed.
some of them are very ignorant and stupid.
and the end of the day
no one has a gun to the fighters head saying sign the contract so meh… too many negative nancys
Dont act like your shit dont stink
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