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ESPN E:60 debates potential UFC 'monopoly'

How much money do fighters need to make before the critics no longer consider the UFC a monopoly?

Is the UFC a monopoly?

Here's what UFC hall-of-famer and "World's Most Dangerous Man" Ken Shamrock had to say when asked about the ZUFFA pay scale on ESPN E:60.

"The UFC has gone out and strategically bought out every company or they cut the knees out from underneath them when they tried to get started by putting on shows when their shows were on. Which is fine, there's nothing wrong with that kind of business. But when you get into that kind of position, then don't use that kind of position to hold the fighters hostage."

Naturally, UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta calls any talk of a UFC monopoly "ridiculous."

"We have a better product, we put up our money and we were smarter than everyone else. We're giving these guys tremendous opportunity to be able to make more money, get bigger exposure, get bigger sponsors. And when you throw out the term monopoly, that's the most ridiculous thing anyone could ever say."

Video after the jump.

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Hear more from him and Shammy when the ESPN E:60 episode airs in the very near future.

Stay tuned.

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"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I want the UFC to remain a monopoly. Think of it like the NFL and NBA. Granted, there are other leagues in other countries, but there’s a consensus that the NBA has the best players in the world.

Not the same with MMA. There will always be morons who think Gomi is the best LW in the world.

by War Forrest on Jan 11, 2012 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’d rather the UFC be a monopoly then what boxing is right now

This, plus boxing can’t even force Manny and Floyd to fight. UFC doesn’t have these problems unless someone gets injured. I want to see all the top fighters in the UFC. I don’t get people who don’t.

Credible P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top fighters making them look like they don't belong and has done it for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody including top guys)
#3: GSP (long time champ but can't stop people that others can who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating compared to #1 and #2... hence P4P)

by Hank_Mardukas on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Even at the time Gomi was coming to the UFC, this was being argued

I knew Gomi would get handled by the wrestling-heavy LW division in the UFC. A lot of morons were saying Gomi’s wrestling was better than Clay Guida’s.

I don’t know what they’re basing this on… Asian fighters generally are horrible at wrestling. Yushin Okami is an anamoly, but for the most part, they’re not that strong.

by War Forrest on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

"Even at the time Gomi was coming to the UFC, this was being argued"?

That whole Gomi argument took a big hit when Nick beat him stoned. Before he was in the UFC. Thats fine if you were arguing about it,,, but lets be honest the Gomi train had derailed before the UFC.

by letstalkmma on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

monopoly occurs when a market service product or good is for all intents and purposes exclusive

UFC is at least an oligopoly which is when there are few sellers influencing cost wages and other factors, zuffa should just let strikeforce go avoid the drama free market requires at least the illusion of competition right or wrong

by talkfight on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

what a shit storm???

Eventually their gonna have to start paying the fighters more. (Especially the lower tier fighters, 6 gs wont cut it)

But what makes the UFC so good is the balance among the top fighters pay in general. Money can always ruin a great combat sport. Its in the UFC’s hand to fix a problem before it becomes to big to fix

by letstalkmma on Jan 11, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Good.

One fighter alone shouldn’t be bigger than the sport itself.

Credible P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top fighters making them look like they don't belong and has done it for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody including top guys)
#3: GSP (long time champ but can't stop people that others can who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating compared to #1 and #2... hence P4P)

by Hank_Mardukas on Jan 11, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

espn is such shit anyways

i really wish someone would compete with them for sports coverage, they suck so bad at it.

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by detroit_fan on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

preach on

these guys have zero journalistic integrity. they are the kings of muckraking, race baiting, hyperbole, and negative spin. look no further than having ken shamrock serve as the protagonist of this story.

by factory of sadness on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. They pick and choose what stories they want to run based on sensationalism,.

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by OJR on Jan 11, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Call it what you want...

but the UFC puts on the fights the fans want to see. And that’s all that matters.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

no? explain.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Jan 11, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably means that there is much more to it then that and there is. Not saying I agree or disagree, just my opinion as to what he meant.

A fighter making 3g’s a fight is pathetic! Yea there is that side of it that says, well, he can just get better or how about the sponsors. Or the fact that why should the fans even care! As far as one organization having all of the fighters I love! Why would you want more than one organization? That means that some fighters can’t fight each other. As far as the fighters on the lower tier getting paid more and for all to get medical, I think they should! I would also hate for them to get paid to much and be like the prima donna’s of baseball!
And the sponsor money should have NOTHING to do with anything!!! You don’t hear it mentioned in other sports. Imagine a baseball player making $60,000 a year and him being told, “well, what about your sponsor money?” It has nothing to do with anything and Dana always mentions it! It’s their way to pay them less money! I think (just my opinion) that the top guys are getting enough, but the lower guys are not! And yea maybe some can/will get better to earn more, but there will always be guys on the bottom. they make so little that they need jobs on the side. Hell, 3g’s can’t even pay for a camp. How the hell are you supposed to support a family? It makes it where the guys with money have an advantage bc they can focus 100% on trainig and not worrying about making money to pay the bills.

Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! But now Tito is closing in! lol Maybe not, but I'm so fn happy that he beat Bader! The excuses were really getting to me, but when he wins, we don't hear about them.

by MBOW on Jan 11, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

GTFO

you have no claim to that dumbstatement you just said

Unless your joking

I’m the biggest fag on mania, I’m more queer than a football bat, I wish i could get all brokeback with Cowboy, I should never pick a country boy to beat a thug. I was out of my mind and will never dis the Diaz brothers again. Actually Nate is the one that’s going to take Frankie’s title. Cruz Jackson is a demigod to all you bitches. and i am his bitch now, I have lost twice to him. Someone please pick a sig bet with him as i can no longer afford to take the beating i have taken.

by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

no im being serious, when ever is a monopoly good?

by steady2wheels on Jan 11, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok i apologize

I thought you were saying they Dont put on the matchus that fans want to see. Because they do.
Manny vs Floyd havent fought

Imagine Cain and JDS fighting everyone else beside each other

Now as for the Monopolyin this case. Would you really want half of the top fighters in SF and never fighting the other top fighters in the UFC?

Now I know there are other probelmms but things will get better over time, they wont be perfect, but they will get better

I’m the biggest fag on mania, I’m more queer than a football bat, I wish i could get all brokeback with Cowboy, I should never pick a country boy to beat a thug. I was out of my mind and will never dis the Diaz brothers again. Actually Nate is the one that’s going to take Frankie’s title. Cruz Jackson is a demigod to all you bitches. and i am his bitch now, I have lost twice to him. Someone please pick a sig bet with him as i can no longer afford to take the beating i have taken.

by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh?

Try looking at water and electricity. Or just look at sports NBA NFL etc.

by pbdb on Jan 11, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Cue the Zuffa zombies hurling insults at Shamrock

UFC is indeed a monopoly.

The FTC will explain why when the investigation is finished.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

AHHHHHH, dec3ptiKon brain......

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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions

by dandeman on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and what's wrong with that dec3ptiKon_?

I want to see UFC grab all the best fighters so they can fight each other. I agree that Zuffa should just admit it. The term Zuffa zombie is just funny to me. You like MMA right? Obviously the UFC is the top company which make you a fan of theirs no doubt so wouldn’t you be a zombie too?

Credible P4P Rankings.
#1: Silva (destroys top fighters making them look like they don't belong and has done it for years)
#2: Jones (destroys everybody including top guys)
#3: GSP (long time champ but can't stop people that others can who aren't blown up LWs which isn't so dominating compared to #1 and #2... hence P4P)

by Hank_Mardukas on Jan 11, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I do enjoy watching UFC no doubt.

Which is precisely why I think the fighters should be paid more.

I watch UFC for the fighters, not Dana fucking White.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the money will come

Hopefully sooner than later. I watch other mma fights and enjoy them but nothing beats a good ufc ppv. All the best fighters should be there

by ElStIkO on Jan 11, 2012 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I enjoy the UFC

but also enjoy Bellator, SF, and some of the lesser known venues. Why? Because some of those venues have some of the most exciting action filled fights (not saying all of them) and it is also a place for up and comers. The UFC lately has become a washing machine that seems to be on cycle with all of the rematches, especially at certain weight classes.

Plus Danass is a dick.

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by hairybumcrack on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont want a monopoly? ok, stop buying or watching UFC events and start putting money into the competitors pockets.

you really want to see 5 or 6 equally powerful mma companies with their own roster of fighters who wont be able to fight eachother???

thats not fun.

"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz

by Two_Words on Jan 11, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind one company if it didn't abuse it's power and paid it's fighters fairly

Do you take issue to that?

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you there dec

Don’t mind it being a Monopoly. To me its just like the NBA MLB and NFL. It is the main orginazation for that sport.

But they need to be regulated like the other orginazations are. They are too private of a company right now and I don’t think that is good. There needs to be a commissioner and I hate to say it, a Union. I am not pro-union in anyway. But in this case, it will take a union to get the lower level guys paid fairly.

by thegr8stkybrdwarrior on Jan 11, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like it would take a union for the UFC to give them health insurance?

by prokstar on Jan 11, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

health insurance

Wasn’t this covered recently that the ufc now covers fighters injuries even during training? I believe on fight nights they cover each fighter up to 100k.

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by theTRON on Jan 11, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And all without a union, which was my point.

by prokstar on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a union guy either

But in certain situations, it’s a requirement.

Slaves in the fields, would have benefited from a union, and so would UFC fighters.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

unions & paydays

I am not a big union person either, it’s debateable whether it would really help in the long run (I believe unions are about 50/50 in the long run on earning more versus backing down with strikes, negotiations, etc). I’m not opposed and do think it’s generally the direction sports leagues lead to.

It always makes me smile when I see this cyclical debate rise up again and again. Remember when everyone was crying for the top fighters just a few years ago regarding what they get paid?

I believe if we all were to chart earnings we’d see a marked increasing trend with the main card fighters. This follows suit with the UFC continuing to be a more and more successful company. A lot of times we’re quick to compare with other organizations pay scales like the NFL or NBA but forget that those are long-standing very mature companies, with huge annual revenues.

As for the undercard…I look at it as basically a trial period for new talent. It’s just like any company you get promoted once you prove you’re worth it. I have no problem with that and think it would be foolish to throw moneybags at each new prospect. Let them win a fight or two, get through their contract and renegotiate, see Jon Jones salary since he came into the UFC. I know at my work they didn’t start me at my current salary, I had to work to get there.

There’s currently no organized feeder leagues like other established sports (MLB, NBA, NFL), no collegiate level MMA or minor leagues, so paying each new pro UFC fighter a larger amount on their debut, 2nd, or 3rd fights seems pretty risky to me. I think getting the opportunity to prove yourself and earn a larger contract is enough, you just need to perform when the time comes (just like all of us in the workplace).

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by theTRON on Jan 11, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't need a feeder league or collegiate level MMA.

That’s what the smaller shows are for. The UFC isn’t generally open to guys without at least some professional experience since it is pretty widely regarded as the premier promotion in the sport. The smaller promotions should be looked at as the farm leagues while the UFC should be looked at as the majors. If you’ve earned your spot in the UFC, your pay per fight should reflect as much.

by KashAcous on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Except that not only does Bellator have a national deal, but is owned by a massive media company.

by Lynchman on Jan 11, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what truly is ridiculous Lorenzo?

Paying some of your fighters on a main UFC card $4000.00 for risking life long injuries, while pocketing millions in profit.

And if anyone is ignorant enough to think that these guys are getting “locker room payoffs”, you need to give your head a shake. Fighter wages are tax deductable, so if you think Zuffa throws tax deductions away in order to help fighters out with secret bags of money you are beyond braindead.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Any locker room bonuses would certainly not be paid in cash and would be reported to the IRS, but they wouldn’t need to be reported to the SAC, which is where we get our salary info from. We may never know if they’re really getting locker room bonuses or not, but if they are, it’s certainly tracked and claimed by the UFC.

by prokstar on Jan 11, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And what exactly does Zuffa gain from this again?

Nothing. Do you really think that when people are accusing them of unfair pay that they would continue to give their fighters money behind the scenes?

lol

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It gives guys an extra incentive to be exciting, and exciting fights build hype which leads to a bigger fan base which leads to more income for the UFC. If they’re willing to pay a guy 24k for a fight, why give him the whole thing just for showing up? Why not set it up as 6k to show, 6k to win, 12k for a finish? Seems pretty logical to me.

I think you’re vastly overestimating the amount that the UFC cares about the tiny percentage of fans who know how little some guys get paid and the even smaller percentage who actually give a shit about how little it is. They are not losing any more than a little pocket change over this issue.

And again, I’m not saying this is happening for sure, but for you to dismiss the possibility entirely based on the idea that they’re not claiming it as an expense is ridiculous.

by prokstar on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're a low level fighter in the UFC...

Starting pay should be a $20,000 fight purse. That’s about a jay’s wages at just over minimum wage. Between that and the sponsorships and compact health care, that would allow up and comers to take more time to develop and grow, instead of being forced to jump in the cage four or five times a year.

by KashAcous on Jan 11, 2012 7:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

$20,000 MINIMUM would be an improvement for undercard fighters.

If you are on the main card of a PPV, I think double that would be a good start.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

contracts

This is a sport ruled by contracts like many of the other sports we follow. Main card fighters’ contracts are up to each fighter (who signs on the dotted line), thier agent, and what the company values them at.

$20,000 minimum for an undercard fighter sounds pretty high to me. You need to remember there is no organized minor league or collegiate MMA to serve as a feeder into the UFC. The UFC’s model to me seems to be set up to favor those who perform (ie knockout bonuses, fight of the night bonuses, submission of the night bonuses) – any fighter on the entire card is eligible to win these, which are typically 60-75k. Most of these undercard fighters getting $6,000 are unproven talent in the deep talent pool of the UFC.

I think the model currently is fine, until there some sort of organized feeder like collegiate level MMA or a minor league is created. I feel the UFC should work to make this happen. It would be great for them to start to organize a natural talent pool to funnel into the big leagues.

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by theTRON on Jan 11, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe $20k is a little high for a starting fighter.

But if the guy has worked his way up from the smaller shows, getting paid $6k for a fight still seems like chump change. Maybe $10 -12k for a new UFC fighter who has worked his way up to the promotion.

by KashAcous on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The problem with this is that details of Overeem’s compensation recently came out and he made roughly five times what was listed.

SACs require disclosure of to fight and to win pay only. No signing bonuses, performance bonuses or anything need be announced. The reality is that what is listed is a portion of pay.

by Lynchman on Jan 11, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Its the risk you take when your coming up

Jon jones made nothing on his first few UFC cards and had he been seriously injured after his first fight, he wouldve been screwed

No adays the UFC has insurance for the fighters.

The top fighters get paid the most, the ones thatno one comes to specifically get paid the least

I’m the biggest fag on mania, I’m more queer than a football bat, I wish i could get all brokeback with Cowboy, I should never pick a country boy to beat a thug. I was out of my mind and will never dis the Diaz brothers again. Actually Nate is the one that’s going to take Frankie’s title. Cruz Jackson is a demigod to all you bitches. and i am his bitch now, I have lost twice to him. Someone please pick a sig bet with him as i can no longer afford to take the beating i have taken.

by ItalianStallion54 on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Off Topic:

The rumour are GSP split with Greg Jackson’s camp, but it isn’t true:

https://twitter.com/#!/JoshGrossESPN/status/157195555519463424

by unambig on Jan 11, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

nobody cares!

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by OilCheck on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yes it is - here you go

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It’s become a symbiotic train of thought that when you think about UFC champion Georges St-Pierre, you associate the welterweight great with that of Greg Jackson and Co.

Such is not the case anymore as it appears that the Canadian has since severed ties with the Albuquerque crew and will now be doing all of his training exclusively with the Tristar gym in Montreal.

TheFlyingKneeMMA.com reaffirmed the rumor today which stems from a post on the Underground, which states that St-Pierre decided to end his affiliation with the Jackson camp based upon preconceived notions from the general public that the New Mexico team is solely responsible for the success that St-Pierre has cultivated as of late.

To pay homage to his head trainer in Firas Zahabi, who heads the Tristar academy, St-Pierre will now be devoting all his time to his original stomping grounds for the foreseeable future.

However, contractual obligations will still enable Greg Jackson to corner the UFC champ in subsequent bouts in the future.

If the rumors are true, this will prove beneficial for both parties involved, as St-Pierre was recently housed under the same roof as top contender Carlos Condit, who “Rush” could soon be facing upon his return.

St-Pierre is currently sidelined due to a knee injury suffered in the preparation leading into a title tilt against the aforementioned Condit. The two were originally set to headline UFC 137 last October before a torn ACL squelched those plans.

Since then, the 170-pound kingpin has gone under the knife, engaging in invasive surgery that will keep him on the mend for the better part of a year.

Now, Carlos Condit and Strikeforce transplant Nick Diaz will battle this February for the interim title, which will later be unified with St-Pierre’s welterweight belt.

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by hairybumcrack on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch a lot of mma from around the world and its plain and simple that the ufc holds the biggest fights. So monopoly or not the ufc is the most successful mma organization now

by zesotheclown on Jan 11, 2012 7:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Some of the payouts seem pretty pathetic

It would be interesting to compare payouts to revenue in.

by unambig on Jan 11, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

one day there will be a union

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by randallhumpfreeze on Jan 11, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

fuck unions

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by hairybumcrack on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

thats right!

fuck onions

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by OilCheck on Jan 11, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

could u imagine a fighters strike

Sheeeet that would be horrible. Scab fights

by ElStIkO on Jan 11, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Scabs VS Union Fighters !

I think you may be on to a new reality show El.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah its no monopoly it's simply free market capitalism

It’s no different from the NBA,NFL and NHL, those organizations dominate their fields the same way. Survival of the fittest.

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by rooseveltdunn on Jan 11, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

+1

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

why lie lorenzo?

of course the UFC is a monopoly! – A monopoly exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity.
I cannot think of any other company that dominates its industry like the UFC does.
This has been great for the fans but not so cool for the fighters who have no choice but to accept whatever terms the UFC offers them. They simply have no alternative. The only solution I can see is if the fighters get together or the fighters agents do a better job of negotiating better salaries for the fighters. I hope the UFC does increase fighter’s pay packets (I think the top 5 fighters should all be on at least $1m to defend their belts) and don’t abuse their position too much so thay can keep everyone happy and continue delivering the best fights, fighters and production for a long time to come.

by Dirtyboxing on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'll just post this response I picked from the Bloodyelbow version of this story regarding the UFC as a monopoly.

I think MMA’s Junkie’s legal expert David Nelmark hit the nail on the head with this monopply issue with these comments.

A definition of a "monopoly" is an enterprise that has enough power in the relevant market to control prices. The key question here is how the relevant market is determined.

If the market is "entertainment," Zuffa definitely is not a monopoly due to other entertainment options such as video games and movies. If it’s narrowed to "sports entertainment," Zuffa still competes with other big-time professional sports such the NFL.

Even if it’s narrowed to "combat-sports entertainment," there are lots of other MMA options out there, especially boxing. Zuffa still can point to the hundreds of regional MMA promotions around the country. Restricting the market even further to "televised MMA" still would include Bellator Fighting Championships, MFC and others.

by doomrider7 on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you

Have to define the market as ‘televised mma’, I don’t think its fair to lump in other combat sports or other forms of entertainment. MMA is a genuine market/industry now despite it being relatively new, with a huge worldwide following, coming into the mainstream and targeted by the biggest sponsors in the world.
This being the case, the UFC is a monopoly. Bellator, MFC and other MMA content providers probably have less than 1% total market share.

by Dirtyboxing on Jan 12, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

shamrock dont know shit, hes a useless man.

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by JordanEdwards on Jan 11, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Fighters may need to unionize.

With the recent labor issues in the NBA and NFL I learned that the only way pro sports can act as a monopoly is if the labor agrees. If there is no nflpa for instance, the NFL would be an illegal monopoly. That’s why they disbanded the union as a bargaining tool.

Also, I’ve seen a few friends struggle to make ends meet while fighting in the UFC. But do you notice what happens when a promotion starts paying the fighters “good” money?? They quickly go bankrupt.

by just1n34 on Jan 12, 2012 2:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Monopoly?

As far as I can see, some of the smaller promotions bought up by the UFC were on their last legs, when they were bought out.
How many stories have we heard about dedicated fighters not getting paid for bouts in the B leagues?
The UFC offers health benefits. No small thing in combat sports. Many of their stars are now multi-millionaires and the fighter purses are going up, not down.
We hardcore fans have been clamoring for mainstream acceptance and more MMA for…..well, forever.
Did anyone think this thing would blow up like it has? And what would the MMA landscape look like today without Zuffa? Fringe and sketchy.
Ken Shamrock, I’m sure, would have been thrilled to get some of the benefits and exposure that the Zuffa roster enjoys today.
Any fighter who doesn’t want to work for a big corporation is welcome to do regional shows in a amall market. I don’t expect many of them to purposely follow that path.

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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by Scottidog on Jan 12, 2012 7:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i dont see how the ufc being a monopoly is a bad thing. yes there wont be any competition from any other companies, but fighters will still be able to develop whilst fighting for smaller companies. and who cares if there is a monopoly with the ufc’s management in charge, whove clearly displayed their priorities lie in putting on the best fights possible

by ferg1234 on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

ESPN E60

When with this interview air?

by stny221 on Jan 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  


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