Saturday Night's Mania Event: The UFC needs Alistair Overeem
Inevitably, there are some of you that just read that headline and thought, "Captain Obvious is back with another article." The rest of you likely shook your head and dismissed such an outrageous claim.
This is the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) we're talking about, after all. Why would they need a heavyweight whose toughest competition of the past four years was Fabricio Werdum, a guy that couldn't cut it with the big boys in Las Vegas?
Let me answer your question with one of my own: Have you taken the time to actually sit down and flesh out the UFC heavyweight division? It's actually pretty bleak. And by "pretty" I mean "extremely."
Cain Velasquez vs. Junior dos Santos, which will be the lead fight for the promotion on its debut on network TV on Nov. 12 in Anaheim, is a heavyweight title fight even casual fans can get behind. There's a lot to like about two big men that aren't comically over-sized but are big enough to mean business while maintaining a certain level of fighting skill and a gas tank that won't run dry inside the first four minutes.
By the time all is said and done, FOX will most likely be happier than a tornado in a trailer park, UFC will have put on an exciting heavyweight championship fight and will have built a veritable pay-per-view star in the process. The idea is that whoever wins will become a bonafide superstar thanks to a bigger audience than has ever been exposed to the product before.
Fans will want to tune in to witness the winner's next title defense, or if it's dos Santos, the first. They'll pay money to see this on pay-per-view or at least that's the idea. There's just one problem with that ... who the hell are they going to have to challenge for the title.
Even a cursory glance at the rankings in the UFC heavyweight division reveals a serious lack of credible title contenders. We're not talking 2006 when Tim Sylvia ruled the roost but if Randy Couture came out of retirement to fight at heavyweight today, he might be one win away from a title shot.
Seriously.
Let's look at this disaster of a division and why Alistair Overeem can be its saving grace.
Thankfully, SB Nation has partnered up with USA Today to provide a tried-and-true method of compiling rankings for each of the seven major weight classes. So we'll use that to run down the list of heavyweights currently on the UFC roster. This should illustrate exactly how bleak the future is after Velasquez vs. Dos Santos.
4. Brock Lesnar
Hasn't competed since Oct. 2010 when he was smashed to pieces and turned into a cartwheeling circus act by Cain Velasquez, who opened up a hole in his face the size of a crater. Has had not one but two well publicized battles with the deadly intestinal disease diverticulitis and hasn't even gotten back into the gym to begin training yet.
7. Frank Mir
Has fought just twice over the past year and while they were both victories, neither came without its problems. He defeated Mirko Filipovic at UFC 119 in a snoozefest, so much so that despite it being the lone knockout on the card, it wasn't awarded "Knockout of the Night" honors. His victory over Roy Nelson this past May was almost as equally uninspiring.
8. Shane Carwin
Is on a two-fight losing streak, having dropped a title shot against Lesnar and a number one contender bout against dos Santos, and is currently riding the pine with multiple injuries.
10. Brendan Schaub
Had his four-fight win streak snapped via embarrassing face plant style knockout at the hands of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, who was returning from a layoff of well over a year and hadn't won a fight in two years.
11. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
See above. Won his last bout by knockout but turned 35-years-old in June and is self-admittedly not back to 100-percent healthy. There's also the hurdle that if dos Santos wins the title, he won't fight his teammate.
14. Roy Nelson
Has lost consecutive fights to dos Santos and Frank Mir, the latter of which consisted of such a poor performance UFC President Dana White verbally berated him in the media regarding his excessive weight. Will battle Mirko Filipovic at UFC 137 on Oct. 29.
15. Cheick Kongo
2-0-1 in his last three bouts but owns losses to both Cain Velasquez and Frank Mir before his recent run. Squares off against Matt Mitirione at UFC 137 on Oct. 29 but even with a win, it would be an impossible task to pass him off as a legitimate title challenger.
16. Travis Browne
Undefeated prospect who most recently knocked out Stefan Struve at UFC 130 but is booked for a bout against Rob Broughton at UFC 135 on Sept. 24. He's rapidly approaching "in the mix" status but he's still on the outside looking in and will be for the foreseeable future.
17. Matt Mitrione
Has never lost in his career and has gradually progressed throughout each of his five career fights but he's been put on the slow track. His most significant victory was at the expense of Kimbo Slice. That tells you all you need to know. He's set up to square off against Cheick Kongo at UFC 137 on Oct. 29 to continue his rise through the ranks.
18. Mike Russow
Aaaaand cut the mic.
That's the future, my friends. Not a single one of them, as we speak, is truly worthy of taking on the winner of Velasquez vs. Dos Santos. Not one.
Enter the man ranked number three in the world, Alistair Overeem.
The UFC is reportedly in negotiations to bring him on board and are apparently close to a deal that will see him sign with the promotion within the next few weeks. This is widely regarded as a foregone conclusion but things being as they were at various points in history with his management team, Golden Glory, anything can happen.
That being said, the powers that be need to realize just how valuable the "Demolition Man" can be. In fact, not only is he the best option right now, he's the only option.
It's been widely speculated that when he signs with the promotion, his first fight is likely to be against either Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir. If the UFC does indeed follow through with either plan, it will be an egregious mistake. As it stands now, there are no clear cut number one contenders to the heavyweight throne that are currently under contract with UFC.
Until "The Reem" signs on the dotted line.
Allow me to play fantasy booker for just a second here. The most foolproof way of taking advantage of Overeem's current standing in the mixed martial arts world is to sign him to a deal but keep it quiet for the next couple months. Or they could simply wait until the last minute to actually get him under contract, either way works fine.
Then they have him come to the UFC on FOX 1 show on Nov. 12 in Anaheim and announce his signing with the promotion on national television in front of what should be the largest audience in the history of MMA. You pump him up as the Strikeforce heavyweight champion, the K-1 kickboxing champion, the deadly Dutchman; all that good stuff. They have already shown little aversion to promoting a "Champion vs. Champion" fight even if it's not exactly the case, so why not do the same here?
After they announce that Overeem has signed with the promotion and have sufficiently pumped him up as the next coming of Christ, complete with video packages of his various highlights (and there are plenty to choose from), Velasquez and Dos Santos have their battle inside the Octagon. The winner, hopefully after a back-and-forth war of attrition, gives his post-fight speech and talks about how honored he is to have won and/or defended the heavyweight title on network TV.
They bring in Overeem at this point, who is then announced as the next challenger to that same heavyweight championship and the two square off in the center of the cage. Boom, the fight is set for a later date on pay-per-view and you've guaranteed a successful buyrate and if the performance of the winner was spectacular enough, you've got a veritable mega-event on your hands.
Don't waste Overeem on Mir and don't waste him on Lesnar. He's far too valuable right here and now to risk any of that, especially considering the fact that he's not a proven draw just yet. He won't need to be if he's promoted right on FOX, and the ensuing "Champion vs. Champion" match-up will be a winner, no matter what.
If one of the major purposes of the UFC making a deal with FOX is to create stars on pay-per-view, this is the only way I see them being able to adequately do so in its debut effort.
If you've got a better idea, feel free to offer it up. I don't think you do, though.
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I like Overeem but dont think he
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#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
..."Son...you gotta panty on your head"...
have much affect in the UFC
I like bacon...
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
..."Son...you gotta panty on your head"...
WTF am I doing
I like bacon...
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
..."Son...you gotta panty on your head"...
haha
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Sep 3, 2011 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Big D said it himself.
No one needs overeem. After his last performance, it appears that he’s simply a 30 lbs of muscle heavier version of the same ol overeem. I see him beating up the Mirs and Roys of the world but getting ran over by the brockness monster or shane carwin.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 3, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mir with a good game plan gives him trouble.
As long as he sticks to it.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 3, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir vs Werdum or Mir vs Overeem might be a good fight...
But after the Cheik Kongo fight…if he wins…
I would put money on Meathead Mitrione over Overeem.
Overeem has ZERO defense…and was outstruck by Werdum.
The best striker that Overeem has faced in MMA within the past 4or 5 years has been Brett Rogers…
Wait what?
If who wins the Kongo fight? Matt Meathead Mitrione is fighting Kongo.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm so sick of hearing this "Overeem's stand up sucks. Werdum out struck him"
That only happened because Overeem was thinging tdd not stand and bang. If there was no threat of a td werdum would have got ktfo like he almost did. Sure werdum flopped on his back a lot but Overeem dropped him a few times.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 6:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So you think his standup would fare better against Cain?
or even Brock Lesnar? If the fear of takedowns from someone like Werdum is making his standup suck how’s he going to last a minute against a real wrestler?
+1
If Reem is that trigger-shy against Werdum, the wrestling gorillas that dominate the UFC will make him shit his drawers!
"I'm tall, dark, and handsome...and you third world ugly!"
possibly. Cain has better stand up than werdum so I think he would be more likely to stand with Overeem knowing he can take him down at any point.
Your point is valid. All I’m saying is his stand up is high level not his over all mma game. And Werdum’s stand up is not better than overeems.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I see him beating up the Mirs and Roys of the world
Uhh, that’s a task that most guys in the HW division are not able to do. Tell me again why no one needs Overeem?
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
well that was just a response to Geno's question as to whether the UFC absolutely needs him.
Of course good HWs in general are always a rare thing, he still has flaws that make him pretty damn easy target for anyone in the top 5 so his impact on the division is really not that big.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 3, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC would be perfectly fine if they lost Aldo, Edgar, GHP, Anderson, Jones, and Velasquez all at the same time.
They would not miss a beat.
Overeem has been a Less than Stellar HW Champ for SF…
it's not about the fact that strike force is the minor leagues of MMA.
it’s a sales pitch that can be started after he signs a contract. or it could be started before the contract if the UFC/FOX need to use prime time events on one of the largest platforms as a tool to get reem to do what they want him to do. that would be considered gentle psychological manipulation. and it will work on a guy like reem.
if he wants that HW belt as bad as he says he does then he knows he needs to fight in the ufc.
the way i see it is that right now the door is open for reem. the hesitation and volume of negotiations is beginning to look like M1 and fedor. if reem(and managers) fuck this up they may not ever get the chance to fight in the ufc. reem is swimming upstream right now. he’s also beginning to make himself look like an employee that zuffa can’t get ahold of. the ufc ain’t having that. reem better close the deal soon. giving fighters that kind of power inevitably leads to them operating on their own terms.
and letting an employee operate as he feels will have a drastic effect on the financial bottom line (profit). look at strike force pre ufc owning it. reem held the belt hostage and defended the title as he saw fit: every 2 years and scheduled to take place when he wanted. that’s what happens when you let these guys and managers fight in other promotions. no loyalty to any one promotion.
Show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
Show me your ipod and i will tell you about your character assets and liabilities.
by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
while i agree with pretty much everything u said ABB
i think the only thing holding up the negotiations would be Reems desire to fight in K1, and we all know how much Zuffa hates employees fighting under different banners
Every night i would pray to God for a new bike, then i realized God does not work that way, so i stole one and asked him to forgive me
this is correct.
that’s what hasn’t been resolved. but they started with a whole list of shit that included a massive paycheck
Show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
Show me your ipod and i will tell you about your character assets and liabilities.
by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Its like nick diaz fighting gsp without fighting any top opponents in the ufc
Business wise its a good idea and I’m sure fans would love to see it.
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 3, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's official..
I’m drunk..
by dragonassault on Sep 3, 2011 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to pretend that Diaz is even close to the same level as Frankie Edgar is a Joke...
but…a lot of the fans dont know any better…
Champ vs Champ…
GHP finishes Diaz in the first round…Win / Win for Dana/UFC/Fans/GHP.
Really? Do you smoke crack?
I’m pretty sure Diaz has never been stopped and definitely sure he has never been stopped in the 1st round. GSP has been the decision master recently. No way GSP finishes Diaz at all much less 1st round.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 6:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's been stopped twice actually.
But I agree with you, gsp won’t finish him. He’ll probaly win by lnp.
UFC Fight Night 25 Predictions:
Jake Shields def Jake Ellenberger by dec
Court McGee def Dongi Yang by dec
Johnathan Brookins def Eric Koch by 2nd Rd Sub
Alan Belcher def Jason McDonald by 2nd rd sub
by MMA Boss on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
cool. thanks for settin me straight on that one.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd rather have Sergei and Bigfoot
Overeem isn’t nearly what we thought he was.
Instead of writing dumbass poems and sucking off JMMA fighters, i should instead recognized the greatness that is Anderson Silva. The Pride is by far the most knowledgeable commentator on this site and you should all bow before him
by Johnny WF on Sep 3, 2011 11:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
what did you think overeem was?
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 3, 2011 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he meant to say fedor
by wooly shambler on Sep 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wooly you dissed letter19 the other day along with a group of tainted souls..didn't expect that from you
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 3, 2011 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tainted souls haha yes
It’s all in fun .
But you’re one of a dozen that I actually enjoy reading from all the way through whether we come close to agreeing or not
by wooly shambler on Sep 3, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cool..
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 3, 2011 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the UFC....Bigfoot fits in the best out of all of the SF HWs...
Overeem is kinda like Kongo…
I would imagine that Kongo and Overeem would be interchangeable.
wooly,
did you diss diese nueve? and with others? sounds like he got jumped by a gang. that’s not necessary. this will not happen again. do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth (along with the semen)?
Everyone take note that diese nueve has my protection. i have a mania pager. if my mods and spies witness this happen again they will page me and i will be in the thread within 10 minutes to fuck shit up.
Show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
Show me your ipod and i will tell you about your character assets and liabilities.
by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
What I got out of that was
Semen ..
by wooly shambler on Sep 4, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let alone diese neuve
im up for a bit of soixante neuf.U fancy it ABB?
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Good enough not to gas from doing nothing and get outstruck by Werdum
Instead of writing dumbass poems and sucking off JMMA fighters, i should instead recognized the greatness that is Anderson Silva. The Pride is by far the most knowledgeable commentator on this site and you should all bow before him
by Johnny WF on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
overreem
is another over hyped guy who fights less than stellar comp
yeah he won k1 but that’s not mma and that’s some big gloves to protect your chin with
MMA wise he’s a big joke , much like fedor , all the haters are always looking for that guy outside the UFC that’s supposed to be the “badass” that tears up the UFC Fedor, Reem, diaz , mousasi , ect. ect halfrate guys fighting in a halfrate show , they’re there for a reason , and it’s becasue they are NOT TOP level guys , that doesn’t mean that everyone in the ufc is top level , they are not but you look at the top 5 guys in each weightclass and most of if not all are fighting where ??? UFC Overreem couldn’t beat mir , and imo strugggles against Roy nelson , and has a legitimate chance of being knocked out so to say UFC NEEDS reem , to me that’s crazy he’s unproven in MMA
Geno, "Needs"
I’m not sure that word means what you think it means.
The Reem would be a fantastic addition to the UFC roster, but not necessary. The UFC rose to dominance without him, they can continue to rise without him.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 3, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Technically, the UFC division could consist of only 2 fighters.
Whether you like Reem or not, he will generate revenue, which is the primary objective of any business.
Was his last performance impressive? No. Is he capable of putting on spectacular performances? Absolutely.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
I don't disagree.
If/when he signs, he will bring in fresh, experienced blood. BUT, he is relatively unproven, and the UFC would certainly survive and prosper with out him. I simply have issue with this whole “needed” verbiage.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 3, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir
2 fight win streak, isn’t much, but the UFC has done worse before. Or the winner of the Strikeforce tournament. I’m not saying Overeem isn’t wanted or helpful. Just that he isn’t needed for the survival of the organization.
And go ahead and explain how wins over Todd Duffee and Werdum grant you fights with JDS or Cain.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 1:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well how about losses against Cain (lesnar), Dos santos (carwin), Nelson (mir),
and so on. Thats why Remm and mir should fight. Its perfect #1 contender. Atleast both of them are on a winning streak.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Well
Werdum was ranked number three when Overeem beat him so … uh … yeah.
Anyway, it’s not even necessarily about whether he’s worthy or not. It’s about how they can sell him to be worthy and build on Cain and JDS on the FOX show. If you have that show and the winner has no one to fight that they can really sell as an actual worthy pay-per-view level main event, then it’s a waste.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Increased recognition, popularity, and esteem is not a waste
Watching Reem crumple in a corner of the octogon would be a waste
Oh well of course they can build off him.
And I don’t care what he was ranked. He beat Fedor, who obviously at the time was ranked top 3 or so. Since then, that win doesn’t seem like much does it?
And no, the fight following this wouldn’t be a waste. Because the typical PPV buyer would know better regardless, and the new, uniformed fan, wouldn’t have a clue and won’t be sold on who the next opponent is, but by how entertaining this free fight is. They could care less who is next, the UFC marketing will win them over.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see them becoming a bonafide superstar after this, A nonenglish speaking Barzilian or a guy with a brown pride tat across his chest.
I know alot of you will cry racist about my comment, which is typical now a days, but come on lets be real.
Nope you spelled Brazilian wrong and the word alot is actually
A lot . Racist
by wooly shambler on Sep 3, 2011 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about Frankie Edgar??
A white guy from the Jersey Shore…
3 Douche Bags from the Jersey Shore are the most popular Reality TV stars in the world right now…while they are all juiced up and CANNOT fight…
Frankie is a better fighter than BJ Penn EVER was and he is not THAT popular…WHY? Because of Frankies race?NO!
Personality…
That is why your Brazilian…JDS Left Chester the Molester…because Ed Soarass does not let any of his fighters steal the spotlight from his monotonous post/prefight Pressers.
JDS has a fun personality…hes a good guy…
Cain is NOT a good guy…but not a bad guy either…Cain officially has NO personality.
I agree
Neither guy has that star appeal..at all
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 3, 2011 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good or bad, whatever, its the truth, I'm not saying if it was two big white guys for the title in this TV spot that it would be as big as they think its gonna be. It could be two big black American guys and that would be the bonafide superstar your
talking about. Am I rambling or am I making any sense
You probably would make sense to other rambling racists
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 4, 2011 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahahaaha
All jokes aside that’s madd racist..
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Sep 4, 2011 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't realize we were talking about jones/page
love to watch wand, florian, lauzon, gsp, cain, machida, dos anjos
bones jones will be the champ for a VERY long time
damn that was fun watching tito choke out bader
fedor man its time to hang up the gloves
by Burlzilla129 on Sep 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I made a similar comment in a previous thread and got the same shit
It’s not racist to say why other people are afraid to say. It not like I agree. I love me some Cain and JDS. The fact of the matter is subconsciencely on consciencely, people think that way and there is nothing we can do to change them of they haven’t already. Think about older generations that can’t even get into mma, what makes you think the hw title fight between 2 “brown people” is going to change their mind?
And for the the record I too am “brown” but I live in the south and I’ve seen the racism that floats around these parts.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 6:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care if they're green
As for “the older generation”, I’m pretty sure that Ali Frazier managed to sell a ticket or two, back in the day…….and I don’t recall Oscar De LaHoya or Chavez getting ignored.
A good fight is a good fight. If some redneck out there actually refuses to watch a fight, because both fighters are “brown”, then I say let’s not spend 1 second catering to him.
Have you watched any NFL on FOX? There may be 1 or 2 guys playing, that aren’t blonde haired and blue eyed and I’m sure the ratings are pretty good :)
I think you're pretty tough....don't I?
Daffy Duck
by Scottidog on Sep 4, 2011 7:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with those statments.
However, when you mention Ali, Frazer, De LaHoya, and the NFL your talking about established sports that at the inception where predominately “white” sports. Fast forward 100 years to today and of course color won’t matter. But overall your right. Anyone that cares about color or race we don’t need as fans of the sport.
by emperorj on Sep 4, 2011 7:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One problem with that statement.....
Junior speaks pretty good English. He’s still learning obviously, but considering the UFC didn’t have to put up subtitles when he was on a whole season of TUF, I’d say his English is decent.
"Right leg hospital, left leg cemetary"-Mirko "Cro Cop" Filopovic
A nonenglish speaking Barzilian
Wait a second….who are you calling nonenglish speaking again?
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
haha
just breakin balls.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Your statement is true though
Most Americans are ignorant rednecks who would never be able to identify with a fighter unless he watched Nascar in a mustard stained wifebeater.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
lol….Oh am I ever!
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Overeem can become a very popular fighter
Simply because he looks like a fighter, 6-4 monster who kickboxes.As long as he can keep taking steroi..urr horsemeat he can compete in the ufc
"Light from the sun continues to shine in my world,all darkness has passed.Even when the sunsets there's a constant spotlight on me"-letter19
by letter19 on Sep 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was told he kicks boxes
The only person who could beat Melvin Manhoef in a street fight is Fro-be bryant
by theoregonduck on Sep 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
its crazy when you lay it out like that
but toss barnett, overeem, bigfoot, cormier…all the strikeforce guys in there and you got some good fights at HW
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I say
Do a Strikeforce HW vs UFC HW card.
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Then they have him come to the UFC on FOX 1 show on Nov. 12 in Anaheim and announce his signing with the promotion on national television in front of what should be the largest audience in the history of MMA. You pump him up as the Strikeforce heavyweight champion, the K-1 kickboxing champion, the deadly Dutchman; all that good stuff
grease him up with his shirt off, have him flex like crazy. like when they were beefing up the coming of Lex Luger in WWE…
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Reem is already pumped up.
and very marketable in my opinion.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
he is
so market him on first Fox show
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I’d watch.
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Make sure to show his best quality in all of that High Def glory.
Of course I’m talking about that sweet facial scar.
But really tone down on the whole eating horses thing. We Americans love them horses.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 3, 2011 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he should come out on a horse
then tackle it and eat it…
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Hahaha
Well if he does that, its automatically Brock vs Reem.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know about “needs” Overeem but I’d like to see him in the UFC
Overeem vs. Brock
Overeem vs. Carwin
Overeem vs. Nogueira
all fights I’d like to see
by 49erEmpire on Sep 3, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
overeem v overeem ufc 143 "unbrotherly love"
i’m totally with you on that
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Sep 4, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any downsides to adding Reem to the roster.
Jesus Christ Kimbo generated one of the most watched fights on national television. Put your personal issues aside and explain to me how exactly adding Overeem would lose money.
???
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Most people cant put there personal issues aside
Overeem belongs in the ufc whether he does well or not remains to be seen but it would be a great addition to HW division
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by letter19 on Sep 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think he'd be amazing in there. maybe he'll get a shot, maybe he'll hold the belt for a fight or two...maybe
but i see him as a much needed extra “mir type”, floating around, a solid test for up and commers and on their way downers. either way he adds new blood and excitment to the division, looking forward to big foot and barnett getting thrown into the ufc…cormier too, cormier v the brownes, mitriones and schaubs would be fun for me
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by sir.tickleberry on Sep 4, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think anybody thinks that.
At least, I hope not. I can’t think of any negatives for signing him.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad Idea, Too Fast
Let the Dos Santos/Velasquez winner go on a one year baddest man on the planet tour, sitting at all the events cageside, sometimes seen with his belt. Lots of appearances on latenight tv and red carpets. That’s how you build a champ/star. The HW division doesn’t need 3 title fights a year, really only need one. Reem couldn’t plug the hole in my toilet. Stupid write-up. Reason you’re a blogger and not a promoter.
Thats why you are commenting on his blog.
And not running a fight business.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So taking a giant toilet plugging shit at your house decides how good a fighter is?
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it would be way to tough for dana to explain giving overeem the title shot after call calling out people for rating him in the top 10 just one fight ago.
…or was that before he beat duffee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrTB-iiecqk&ob=av2e
even if he doesnt fight for the title first
Signing overeem is necessary for some excitement in the hw division
by Antdogg1110 on Sep 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this guy knows his buisness.
And his dank strains
by KO Shrimp on Sep 4, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tell me, guys, who is the number one contender after the Cain vs. JDS fight?
No one is answering that question.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Mir
his last bout against Nelson wasnt as uninspiring as you make it sound, he battered big boy roy.
Reem vs Mir, winner contends to title.
As much as you all hate it, Frank Mir is still relevant
people keep forgetting also
that Reem hasnt been tested!!
Im a big fan but the only high level fighter he has fought besides werdum was kharitonov and kharitonov put his ass to sleep
I agree completely
Everybody discounts Mir. And I was thoroughly impressed with his destruction of Nelson. He tossed him around. When was the last time you saw Mir toss around anybody?
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen to that
I wanna see these guys back in action!
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Thats why everyone was giving Scahub shit for calling out a title shot
if he beat Nog he would basically be the only one on a long winning streak.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
as much as i dislike him,
Brock. if i were fox i would have reem fight brock as the co main event for JDS/Cain and a #1 contender fight. brock also brought and will continue to bring the highest number of fans. putting him on fox is the best marketing plan they can enact. people know brock and this would be an oppertunity to introduce reem.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock wouldnt be ready in time.
And the UFC wants to ensure he doesn’t have 3 “bad” performances in a row.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point...
well written piece…you’re right when you break it down there is not a clear cut challenger at #1 right now.
if I had to say who is #1 I’d say Mir.
I like your promotion idea of alistar on fox. would be neat to see it done that way. I would imagine that fight could possibly happen around super bowl card…perfect time to have a broadcast partner like fox promote a heavyweight fight!
hopefully by february the strikeforce tourney is over and we can add bigfoot, cornier, barnett, sergi, griggs, and even werdum. then they can promote the big guys and tourney winner even more! assuming strikeforce folds after showtime deal is done?
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Sep 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
overheem is 2 or 3 in the world without question and in reality he should be hailed as the #1 contender. he did what he was supposed to against werdum. he avoided the takedown and beat him up on his feet. werdum did everything he could to avoid fighting and ignorant fans blamed overheem, but really that just shows their ignorance. they should have brock fight overheem. it would show how brock is overrated and how good overheem is. brock wouldn’t be able to take him down and would look absolutely ridiculous on his feet. it is funny to look at the stupid comments by the fair weather fans. overheem has been tested, but does still need to prove himself against the top three in the ufc. brock is overrated and so is shaub. overheem has done what no one else could do and prove he is the #1 fighter in any combat sport. no one else could do that because the ufc won’t allow it’s fighters to do k1 or fight in other organizations (because of liddell losing when he went to pride and lost to q j.) if fans want to see the best fights, fighters need to fight more not less like the ufc does. it allows fighters to get in a grove and it gives them reassurance that a loss here or there doesn’t ruin their career. overheem has lost fights, but how someone reacts to a loss shows character. he improved and has become one of the best strikers in combat sports. whoever loses in the fox card has to worry that if they take another loss they are cut. that is stupid. you go from the #1 contender to pink slip. every major sport has teams that lose, but the best stories are always the comeback stories. fighting is the metaphor for all of those sports. so let them fight. people will always watch overheem, fedor, henderson, silva, v silva, belfort, aldo, ludwig, and the list is huge of fighters that have made names in other organizations. you look at brock, what has he done? he beat up couture, which really only proved they need a heavyweight and superheavyweight division. he beat carwin a steroid cheater who proved what happens to roids users and mir who had lost mentally before he even went into the cage, but his highlight moment is him pussying out of the dos santos fight. he has more to prove than overheem does.
I doubt many of the Overeem haters love Brock.
In reality, neither have done much to deserve being ranked in the top 3 right. Now.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
great post
I agree with every single point you’ve made here…….good shit.
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Yo Decepti
I think this is the longest you and I have been around each other without arguing.
Cheers man! Haha
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hold that thought dude.
I was responding to “One Bad” lmao!
Cheers all the same.
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I dont know why everyone is hating on reem so much after one bad performance. I for one think am really excited to see him in the ufc and think this is a great idea. All the haters are just another big knockout away from being back on his nuts anyway!
word.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
it was one bad performance against a guy who didn't want to engage with him, not reems fault...it'd be easy to blame werdum for this
but i blame the banning of soccer kicks for that fiasco.
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Sep 4, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Offer an Alternative if You Disagree
At this point I think it would make sense to do what Geno brought up. After that they could build up the Strikeforce HW Tourney, which will more than likely have Big Foot against Barnett (which is a pretty goo matchup) and have the winner of that be the next challenger. All the while building up momentum for the other top HWs in the division by putting them up against each other and continuing to develop up-and-comers so that there will be others waiting in the wings.
If not Overeem, how about the Grand Prix champ? If not either, who should be the next to fight for the belt after Nov 12th?
jon bones jones
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by arm.bar.bandit on Sep 4, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir if he wins his next match.
Just saying.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Sep 4, 2011 2:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The ufc hw division doesnt need reem, Barnett, or silva to dominate the ratings or ppvs. But they sure would make the hw division a whole lot better and more interesting for us fans!
by C O R on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
seriously.
When guys like Jason “i win half the time” McDonald are floating around in the UFC, it’s pretty to come up with a case for Overeem not being good enough for the thin HW divsion.
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Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, Shane Carwin
These men are nothing?
Who should Reem fight? I think Nog. Seems entirely logical at this point with Nog’s big win in Rio and both vying for UFC street cred. The HW picture will look a lot brighter when SF concludeds and guys like Cormier and BigFoot move over.
How awesome would it be to see Kharitonov fight Kongo? Seriously, we’d all enjoy that. BigFoot vs Brock is another interesting pairing. And on and on. Joey Beltran vs Chad Griggs is a hellofaway to open a show.
HW and MW have always struggled with population. The Reem is a solid #3 as it stands right now… i’d take him over anyone not named JDS or Cain. The winner of JDS/Cain should not fight Mir, that kind of a fight will only further the talent gap between #1/#2 and everyone else. The winner of the SF tournament should get the unification fight… So if my calculations are correct…. Barnett vs Cain/JDS.
Becase it’s like that, and thats the way it is.

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George likes it....

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He looks so happy.
It’s been a while since we’ve seen him ecstatic like that.
Also, good piece Geno. Opinions are good things to share and I see you put a lot of thinking behind these Saturday Specials. That created a lot of interesting responses. Keep it up.
Not only is GSP gonna finish Diaz, he's gonna do it much faster than the 7 minutes it took Silva to finish Okami. You can quote me now or quote me later, doesn't matter.
So many possibilities...
#1: Geno’s idea – winner of Cain/JDS vs. Overeem
#2: If Bones destroys Rampage have him fight the winner, especially since he’s probably going to be bigger than Cain.
#3: If Cain wins, have Anderson try to prove that he is the P4P King and come fight him since there wouldn’t be that big of a size difference.
#4: If JDS wins, have him fight Brock just because it would sell.
#5: If Cain wins, have him fight Carwin even though that fight makes much less sense than it used to.
#6: Winner fights Mir if Zuffa and Overeem don’t come to an agreement.
#7: Winner fights winner of Mitrione/Kongo – not the best fight for die hards, but casual fans won’t know any better after it’s hyped.
So even though I agree with Geno that his fight makes a lot of sense trying to balance the casual fan with the truly die hards, I think the UFC has proven this year that they no longer care about selling as many PPVs as possible when you compare this year’s numbers to last year’s. But hopefully they’re tired of going down hill this year, and will take the necessary steps to try and continue to grow and sell more PPVs than last year. Then again, I don’t necesarrily want the winner to fight Brock just because that would sell the most PPVs.
Keyboard Warriors... with your nimble digits, you strike fear in your enemies... knowing humiliation is mere seconds away with your 60+ words per minute... it is not enough to knockout or submit your opponent... you are hoping for a five round destruction with no doctor stoppages... you are hoping to GSP your enemy.
Anderson vs cain? Are you crazy?
UFC Fight Night 25 Predictions:
Jake Shields def Jake Ellenberger by dec
Court McGee def Dongi Yang by dec
Johnathan Brookins def Eric Koch by 2nd Rd Sub
Alan Belcher def Jason McDonald by 2nd rd sub
by MMA Boss on Sep 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely...
but I would love to see that fight if Cain were to beat JDS (and after he’s already beaten big Nog). I realize it’s not realistic, but I think it would be an interesting fight. Kongo rocked Cain a couple of times.
Keyboard Warriors... with your nimble digits, you strike fear in your enemies... knowing humiliation is mere seconds away with your 60+ words per minute... it is not enough to knockout or submit your opponent... you are hoping for a five round destruction with no doctor stoppages... you are hoping to GSP your enemy.
I'd like to see reem in the ufc to
see how good he really is. Their will be no more can crushing for reem and his skills will be tested to the max.
I agree with geno on this one: throw him in the fire right away, give him the cain/jds winner. The ufc can heavily promote reem leading up to the fight, especially since alot of people don’t know him in north america. This also allows time so that other ufc hw’s like carwin, brock, and mir to be built back up to #1 contender status. Also, by that time strikeforce should be gone and the ufc will be stacked with quality hw’s overnight, such as bigfoot, cormier, barnett, werdum, kharitonov, etc..
UFC Fight Night 25 Predictions:
Jake Shields def Jake Ellenberger by dec
Court McGee def Dongi Yang by dec
Johnathan Brookins def Eric Koch by 2nd Rd Sub
Alan Belcher def Jason McDonald by 2nd rd sub
by MMA Boss on Sep 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The only problem about bigfoot is that he, JDS and Minotauro are all friends.
Unless the other SF HWs come over it won’t be that effective to add him.
Regarding Reem, I agree, he should be fed to the wolves right away, to give time to the rest of the division. HW is even shallower than MW I guess. When AS retires MW is going to be a lot more competitive.
"No church in the wild"
When AS retires MW is going to be a lot more competitive.
the chicago bulls were no fun to watch after jordan left
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