Jim Rome: Floyd Mayweather is either ducking Manny Pacquiao or thinks he's on steroids
Amidst all the controversy stemming from last Saturday night's boxing pay-per-view, one that saw Floyd Mayweather's cheap shot overcome Victor Ortiz's headbutt, one glaring fact still remains:
Mayweather is not fighting Manny Pacquiao.
Why not? It certainly isn't the "money," as a Mayweather vs. Pacquiao pay-per-view (PPV) headliner would likely be the richest in the history of the "sweet science," so what's the hold-up?
Well, according to sports radio talk show host Jim Rome (via Fight Opinion), it can only be one of two things: Either Mayweather's ducking Pacquiao, or he thinks he's on steroids.
Here's why:
"Wait, what? You're not fighting (Pacquiao), why? Because he has to chip cats off and you don't? Look, I have no idea what that means or how that relates to anything but I know this - either you're just ducking him or you won't fight him because you think that he roids. But his promoter, Bob Arum, says that Pacquiao is now willing to submit to Olympic-style random blood & urine drug testing so that should address your concerns. And, by the way, you do need him. If you care as much about your legacy as you say you do and you do want to be considered one of the greatest of all time, then you need him. Maybe not in your eyes but most of the rest of the world will consider your career incomplete if you don't fight Pacquiao. Skip this guy and there will always be a ‘yeah, but' to your career. Get used to those questions because you'll hear them almost every single day for the rest of your life."
Mayweather knocked out Ortiz on Sept. 17 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, in a hugely controversial finish to the "Star Power" PPV boxing event. Ortiz illegally headbutted Mayweather and after being deducted a point, chose to try to hug "Money" and apologize for his regrettable actions.
As he was backing away, Mayweather landed a vicious left-right combination that flattened Ortiz and won him the fight. It was all legal and well within the rules, but the fans in attendance and millions watching at home felt it to be terribly unsportsmanlike and a disappointing ending to a multimillion dollar match-up.
Mayweather, who got closer to fighting analyst Larry Merchant than he ever will "Pac-Man," did little to advance his standing in the boxing community, which at this point may only be accomplished through a Pacquiao superfight.
Will it ever come to fruition?
Let's hear your answer in the comments section below.
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At this point.....
you jsut never know. The fact of the matter is, this is the only fight left for Mayweathar. If he keeps fighting up and comers like ortiz or remtaching people hes already beaten, he will always have that “yeah, but” as Rome sates. It seems the Manny has bent over backwards and tried to do everything possible to fulfill Floyds requirements for the fight, but yet, after he does…..theres another requirment that Floyd comes up with. Paquiao is a bad matchup for Floyd becasu i think he is the faster and more accurate counter puncher of the two….Floyd is fast no doubt, but Manny has this grace in the ring and moves so smooth and Floyd does not….If he stands toe to toe with Manny he will lose, and Floyd knows this deep down inside. Floyd does not want that 1 on his record, therfore we will enver ever get to see this fight.
Bring back the Chute Boxe of old!!!
by manalito on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
….and i like what Merchant said afterwards. he said that the real reason Mayweather decided to blow up because he knew the Manny Paqiou question was coming up next and was looking for a wat to avoid it.
Bring back the Chute Boxe of old!!!
Option 3: Assweather is a coward
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
manny vs floyd
there is no way manny is faster than mayweather, they’re both fast about the same but different styles of speed, mayweather is a way better counterstriker and his defense is up there, its mannys offense that has made him the beast he is today, that is why this is a great fight because its the best defense against the best offense, and that fight would literally be the biggest fight ever in life, theres no way dana would throw a ufc event on top of some shit like that. thats like choosing a a nutjob over a fullout blowjob
by Peter Saddon on Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is a bad match up for Floyd.
As he has proven 42 times.
Roger Mayweather is the best corner man in combat sports! "Keep backing that bitch up. When we get down the stretch we'll really tap that ass!" Haha words of inspiration right there...
You call it a sucker punch. I call it catching the young buck slipping. But he was very gracious in defeat. What Floyd did was definitely not good for the game, I'll be the first to admit that. That fight had the potential to be great. Ortiz was definitely game, even though he was getting lit up. To say Floyd is ducking anyone is silly. When they fight, and they will (brilliant fight hype going on for the last couple years) I will video bet anyone that truly stands behind their words.
by Starr788 on Sep 20, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
pac is juicing
mayweather wants a fair fight, nothing wrong with that. in the end mayweather has nothing to be scared of he has the reach, and the height. he’ll most likely wil this fight guys, he’s a great fighter, an undefeated american, and yall want to see steroid pac win?
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Mayweather is on the juice as well
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
More accurate?????
Floyd has the best plus minus rating of any boxer since compubox started, so for you to say that Manny is a more accurate counter puncher is pretty inaccurate lol. Floyd is poetry in motion inside the ring, he’s smooth as they come. Manny does have the speed and power to compete thats no question, but he loses this fight because Floyd has better ring generalship, better counter puncher, better at making adjustments during the course of the fight and is just the better boxer. When Bob Arum stops playing games the fight will happen, its not on Manny nor Floyd at this point Bob Arum has his selfish greedy reasons for this fight not happening, he’s a business man, expect it to happen soon, he knows the demand is higher than ever now.
by Geoff Harris on Sep 20, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxin will b over
If mayweather fights Manny, it will not b the fight that saved boxing. It will be the fight that ended boxing. Once they fight no one will ever care about boxing again. its the only thing left for boxing. So to let it just dangle out there just makes people pay attention to what each fighter is doing. I do believe they will fight. IN about 5-8 years when they r both past their primes, looking for a payday.
Lets see, hmmm I say no. Mayweather is ducking The pac-man.
During the past negotiations Mayweather kept moving the goal posts. He has no intentions of Pacquiao, and he will come up with a 1001 excuses why he shouldn’t. Now we see the continueous dark aura that still covers the sport of boxing.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
X Box Gamertag: OneRabidDingo
Sounds about right Rome.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Who knew? lol
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Except if you listened to the live show I am sure Romey said this same thing, 8 different ways, 10 different times. He really loves to hammer home the point.
Also, that “KO” was pretty damn weak. I don’t think I have ever seen a more incompetent ref in boxing. Nice win Floyd.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
I am glad I didnt buy it. And I lost all respect I had for Floyd that night as well. First for sucker punching second for acting a fool with Merchant. The dirtier fighter won for sure.
But Rome is right, I mean there is no excuse at this point.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
all I keep hearing about is "it was legal", "It was a legal punch", "protect yourself at all times"
yeah, yeah, yeah, it is “legal”, obviously, he was given the win. But man, that was some bullshit. I didn’t catch the hole fight as I didn’t buy it either. From what I hear Floyd was dominating though.
I just don’t buy boxing PPV’s anymore. Last one I purchased was De La Hoya Floyd and I was soooo very excited to see them actually try to finish each other……in the last 10 seconds of the 12th round.
The only PPV in boxing I would buy now would be to watch Pac-man put Floyd away. But, this will likely never happen.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
In my opinion Ortiz won the first, I had a friend say he won the third. And I can honestly make the argument Ortiz had 1 and 4 before the fourth ended and penalty deduction. The head butt was ridiculous and deserved the point deduction. Not a DQ because it didnt ever land clean.
But yeah, I mean sure it is considered “legal” but it was a sucker punch. A dirty sucker punch. In MMA they move each fighter to the neutral corners. That should have been done and even though Ortiz didnt need to hug Floyd, Floyd knew he could sneak in a sucker punch. One of the dirtiest moves I ever seen.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
on par with marquardt sucker punching rousimar
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
Completely different. And you know it so I dont have to explain why.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, ANS.
you got my sig and pic for two weeks buddy.
do your worst.
Official Record: 4-3
by stinky~fingers on Sep 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my first time, feeling fresh and virginly. Give me a few moments Stinky.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If I was twice as smart I still wouldn’t pick fights any better. They can’t measure my MMA knowledge because there isn’t a scale that goes that low. The best bet for me from here on out is to just realize that Nick Diaz no matter how good he looks against average fighters will be demolished rather easily by "The Prodigy" B.J. Penn
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ouch!
this is the first time ive HAD to change my sig, and hopefully the last.
congrats on the tie breaker, ANS.. i asked for it!
If I was twice as smart I still wouldn’t pick fights any better. They can’t measure my MMA knowledge because there isn’t a scale that goes that low. The best bet for me from here on out is to just realize that Nick Diaz no matter how good he looks against average fighters will be demolished rather easily by "The Prodigy" B.J. Penn
by stinky~fingers on Sep 20, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, you sure did. Rematch whenever you would like.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
really? that was a sucker punch how?
Statistics show suicidal people are a hundred percent more likely to kill themselves.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and he is celebrating this “win”. This is the kind of shit that will only work to continue to alienate what is left of boxing fans. I don’t know that many anymore.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
That may be the worst of it all.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ortiz took it to the street
and that is where Floyd finished it
end of story
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Yeah yeah yeah… we have heard that phrase before. Still means zero in terms of respect in combat sports.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone seen the Victor Ortiz cheap shop?
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2Q4HBXJ58BK72Gzk
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Did you see him being penalized for it?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Point deductions for illegal blows happen all the time.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ortiz is just as dirty
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
That is how 12-year old kid argues. It has absolutely nothing to do with how we perceive Floyd. He won on a fucking sucker punch. Regardless of what you think about the guy he fought.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
100%
Was Ortiz shot dirty? of course it was. Was Floyds even more dirty? Damn right it was.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
floyd has been ducking pacman for years now..
i made the prediction 3 years ago that this fight would NEVER happen..
Official Record: 4-3
by stinky~fingers on Sep 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on how can you say he isn’t ducking Pac Man anymore ? If he doesn’t man up and fight him he will be known as the coward that just ran, which I think he is. You will IMO never ever see that fight.
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
He isnt a coward, he has fought his fair share of tough opponents. Fighting a hungry lion like Ortiz was very risky.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, he's definitely a coward.. did u see how he had to finish ortiz?
either way he’s a coward for ducking pac for a long time.. floyd could have signed to fight pacman 5 fights ago.
Official Record: 4-3
by stinky~fingers on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
mayweather
was winning that fight easily?
he doesn’t have to duck ANYONE
he would beat small ass pac, but after he does yall will just say pac is too small, how about cheering for an american?
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How about cheering for a champion? Thats the lineal title king, Pac
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw this coming.....
Everyone knows that Floyd will continue to duck any real threat to his record. At his age and stage in his career he’s nothing more than the “Fedor” of late…..pick the fights you think you can win.
As a boxing fan…..that’s one thing MMA does right. If you want to be the best….then kick their ass to get it.
the fedor of late has lost 3 straight against pretty good competition!
MMA Mania Pool Season 4 - UFC 134 Event Winner.....hey its better than most of you did...
and before that he was only facing and beating cans and washed up has beens
and he’s going right back to those types of fighters now that he has been exposed.
Statistics show suicidal people are a hundred percent more likely to kill themselves.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on Sep 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Monson?
Monson is a good fighter, and just may beat him too
MMA Mania Pool Season 4 - UFC 134 Event Winner.....hey its better than most of you did...
Monson isnt a good fighter anymore, way past those days.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet he still took dc the distance
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
Wasnt because Monson was good more like Cormier wanted to get standing time on his resume. Monson did zero in that fight.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he is ducking Pacquio, and he thinks he is on steroids.
that is the only fight in boxing that even makes sense right now, so why isnt it happening? Its the only boxing fight that has made sense for years actually.
MMA Mania Pool Season 4 - UFC 134 Event Winner.....hey its better than most of you did...
you really buy what pac says about drawing a tiny bit of blood
being a problem for him in a fight?
GET REAL, mayweather draws that same blood, and wants to keep this sport legal. mosley even told mayweather that he shouldn’t fight pac unless he takes the test, he’s a cheating guys common.
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yea..
no..
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Sep 20, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ANS until he fights Pac Man he will always be a coward. He sits there saying he will beat Pac Man down and fight him then when asked about it he says no I didn’t. Floyd knows what would come his way if they were to ever fight, a one sided beatdown at the hands of Pac Man. Personally I think Ortiz would whoop his ass in a rematch. He had Floyd wondering what to do twice in that fight. I am glad Floyd won because I won a bunch of money but I was scared twice in that fight. Can you picture what Pac Man would do to him with that speed ? Watch out.
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Well thats fine call him a coward for not fighting Pac, but not in general. Floyd has fought alot of tough guys in his career. He may be ducking now but he used to be an animal when he was in his prime.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Moseley and DeLaHoya were shot.
Hatton and JMM were much smaller.
Gatti was never elite, just known because of the epic first two fights with Ward.
He never fought Cotto or Pac when he had the chance.
The only guys he fought in their prime that was impressive to me were Corrales and Castillo. Baldomir and Judah were deecnt wins, but expected.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
All four of those fights you mention are very quality victories.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There were better opponents at WW than any of them
They were paydays, nothing more. Hell all but ODLH never were truly welterweights.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
yh floyd could have fought hatton at 140 way before that
and stillmade the same money.hatton was always a big draw but saw wht collazo did to him and took the fight.very clever is floyd
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I can see that but Floyd was moving up as well. I mean for all the talk he spews about Pac starting so small, Floyd was at 112 when he started.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
corrales was super drained though
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
he was, but that was his fault, not Mayweathers.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Agreed, I never give the benefit of any doub to someone who had a bad cut. I mean I can try to reason the scenario but no sympathy.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
i though the judah win was up there,zab was winning till he suddenly stopped fighting so was an old dlh till he forgot about his jab
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I honestly don't remember the fight
but Judah was a good win at the time.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Judah very well could have won that fight.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hatton and JMM were much smaller
than why the hell should he fight pac lol. you all act like pac hasn’t lost or had draws, he’s not who you think he is, bob arum made this monster
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Ducking no other explanations PAC man agreed to mayweathers terms after the Mosley fight and he chose to fight Ortiz instead mayweathers scared
Jackie chan hates MMA. Well FUCK Jackie chan I hate shitty movies!!!
by malito3og3 on Sep 20, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's ducking him
Mayweather always talks about how he is unbeaten and he wants to stay that way. He doesn’t want to risk losing to Manny.
FUCK THE WORLD!! AND FUCK YOU TOO!
by Mr.Randy Watson on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
Dont like Mayweather
I dont like mayweather and I do like Paquiao but I do believe and have believed that Pac was on something. Either HGH or Steriods. Pac turned down the because of blood testing. WHat man is so afraid of a needle thay he would let 30 million go. That is why I think it is HGH that Pacman was on.Now he is off or he has found away around the testing. Pac went from a pretty good fighter to great after he was in his prime. Now like I said, I dont like Mayweather but I think he is clean.
It wasnt that, The reason Paquio did not agree to Floyds terms at first was that , and i may be wrong, but what i understand is the Floyd wanted Pacman to take so many blood test that Pac Man felt he woudl be drained. He wanted Pacman to take a blood sample in the morning and like another one an hour before the fight! Pacman said the hell with that becasue he would be drained from taking out so much blood so close to the fight. At thieir weight sicne they are so small, i beleive that would have an effect on him….Floyd is a coward,
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I believe there were 3 test. I may be wrong. One during training and one a week befor fight and one one after fight. Pac said he believed the one a week before the fight bothered him. He says he was scared it would drain him. Come on. How is two small viles of blood gonna drain anyone.
okay so 48hrs prior to the fight which is right around when he’s cutting weight and drained and weak from lack of food and water. you really think taking blood from someone in that state will not be a problem?
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by I.AM.miSTAKen on Sep 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What signs of HGH are there? He has always been a great fighter and he found his weight class where he fought the best. Nothing more then that.
He accepted olympic testing already.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He refused olympic style testing when the fight was on the table. Why? hgh can be detected in blood test but not urine. Now he is off it and he will submit to the test. Why was he so against it then but will do it now. I guess he was just wanting to prove a point by giving up 30 to 40 million dollars.
so because he didn’t before, but will now…he missed the boat? Can’t do it now? Floyd has moved onto what exactly? It certainly isn’t bigger and better things.
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That is not my argument. I think the fight should get done. I just think that Pac was on something and is at fault for not getting it done in the first place. It is easy for me to put the blame on Floyd because I dont like him but the facts are he agreed to the fight as long as there was a level playing field. Pac turned it down. Now Pac wants to change his mind. Well lets see if Mayweather will fight him
Pac did agree to it. Every time Bitchweather made testing demands, Pac would accept and Bitchweather would create make up even more demands. He has no intention of fighting Pac because he knows Pac will knock the shit out of him and expose him as just a good fighter with an artificially inflated record and not THE BEST EVA.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
Ok, so what more demands did Floyd made exactly?
Im pretty sure Pacquiao said he didnt want to take the test.
Now he will, so the ball is in Floyds court.
We will see how it shake’s out.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
No, Pac said LONG ago he would submit to olympic testing. Then Floyd said well wait let me add that you also have to do a blood test one hour before you walk out.
Then afterwards he said he wouldnt fight unless he was paid 100 million dollars.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"I never asked for $100 million dollars. That's false. I said with my guarantee on the backside, it's possible that I can male $75 to $100 million in one night."
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Floyd can say whatever he wants to cover his tracks.
"Went through negotiations with Mayweather, nobody knew about it. Some group came in and they wanted to put it on in a particular country and Mayweather asked for a number that was so high, it indicated that he didn’t want to fight. Take a guess at the number that he asked for, for himself? One hundred. That’s right, $100 million. F–k, I mean, who’s going to pay him $100 million? I mean, unless Manny Pacquiao fights for nothing, how can you do the fight? He [talking about Mayweather] can’t say no, he doesn’t want the fight, so you price yourself out."
Either way he threw out 100 million dollars. No way does Floyd get that much, deserve that much or can even get that much.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless is comes from Floyds mouth i dont believe it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Doesnt matter what you believe to be quite honest.
The fight didnt happen. And it wasnt because of Pac who agreed to all of Floyds requests.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
mayweather said he made 70 mil for his last fight alone?
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And you bought it?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
omg
qhy do you all buy EVERYING pac says, it doesn’t add up, pac is, or was on something, and you’re all blinded by hatred for an AMERICAN
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Mayweather was also on something
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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That is not my argument. I think the fight should get done. I just think that Pac was on something and is at fault for not getting it done in the first place. It is easy for me to put the blame on Floyd because I dont like him but the facts are he agreed to the fight as long as there was a level playing field. Pac turned it down. Now Pac wants to change his mind. Well lets see if Mayweather will fight him.
No offense to Pacquiao, but Mayweather did state that he would fight him
if he got randomly tested for hgh which must be done via blood. Pacquiao’s manager then stated that there’s no way that Pacquiao would agree to this because “he is terrified of needles.” He can’t be that scared of needles or he wouldn’t have tats. I don’t think Floyd’s request is unreasonable
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how in the world can all these idiots believe pacquiao/company is telling the truth here?
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Pac agreed to it. So this whole argument is negated.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
thats the last i heard too
But as you can see from above nobody can specify on what is exactly Floyd is demanding besides an equal playing field
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
100 million dollars. Which is like a 140 to -40 split. Basically.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"I never asked for $100 million dollars. That's false. I said with my guarantee on the backside, it's possible that I can male $75 to $100 million in one night."
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Mayweather is NOT bigger than boxing - he does not make the rules
Pacquiao has NEVER failed a drug test, there is no reason to suspect him – but Mayweather does anyways.
One of the reasons he didnt take the Mayweather tests is because – why should he? He takes the mandatory boxing drug test that is standard. Pacquaio also did not want to take the test 10 days prior because it fears it would sap him of performance
But guess what? He says he’ll do it just to shut him up.
Mayweather is a little b*tch and is scared sh*tless of Pacquiao – his record means nothing. He’s been ducking Manny for years.
by Jerrold Simbulan on Sep 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
mosley also told him that he should have him get tested after he fough pac
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You believe everything Mosley and the Mosley camp say?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying someone never failed a DT doesnt mean they arent using PEDs
Mayweather said he’d take the test too.
He isnt asking anything he wouldnt do himself
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
It actually does mean that for the sake of the argument. If you havent tested dirty then you are clean. Period.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does he need an exception for Pac and not for anyone else?
He didn’t ask for this against ODLH or Shane (4 years too late).
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
He of course wanted to play mind games with Pac thinking he can bluff out of the fight.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can cycle on and off
Its actually really easy.
“I never asked for $100 million dollars. That’s false. I said with my guarantee on the backside, it’s possible that I can male $75 to $100 million in one night.”
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
So if its that easy then Floyd must also be doing it while he isnt submitting to year round olympic style randoms.
Floyd is juicing.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure
but at least its not around fight time
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious" - Albert Einstein
Neither is Pac then. Sounds fair playing field. They both juice before camps and cycle off EASILY when Olympic randoms come to play.
Easy fix, conclusion… Floyd is still ducking the fight.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
my first post
ok i get the sucker punch thing however i do think floyd is the greatest boxer ever and is not ducking pac man he is doing what is best for boxing saying he will not fight anyone without Olympic-style random blood & urine drug testing imo he is the only boxer who gives a shit about the sport staying viable thanks for letting me vent
by Brad Moffitt 937 on Sep 20, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Glad to have you here.
However, he only demands this from Pac because of his allegations he made of Pac. Not because he thinks it betters boxing. Dont let him fool you. Also, you should do some boxing history research as Floyd is not the best ever.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing what's best for boxing????????
Why didn’t he make Ortiz take said test? Dude is a coward and only cares about taking fights he knows he can win.
Ortiz did take the test
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by Brad Moffitt 937 on Sep 20, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Olympic Style Drug Testing?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The hardest fight Mayweather has is
making his canned opponents look like they have a legit shot in the ring. He will never fight PacMan, unless PacMan falls and breaks both wrists.
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ducking now a days you ducking gouse anderson ducking cheal and cung-le
Jones ducking rashad and and so on……do you see somthing al these guy’s got in common?
Look when Pac Man accepted all this retarded drug testing then Floyd came out said he wants some ridiclous amount of money to fight him ( 100 million I believe ) ? Come on now whoever says Floyd isn’t ducking this fight is a fool. Whos Floyd going to fight now ? If it isn’t Pac Man we know hes just dodging the fight. The fact remains he has dodge the 2 best fighters that everyone wants to see and knows would beat Floyd. Floyd is looking more and more like a joke everyday he doesn’t accept this fight. If Pac Man wins his next one and still agrees to all this strict testing and floyd turns it down.. What else can you say ?
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Sep 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Pac NEVER fully agreed to the testing. Floyd has kept the same stance he never changed it.
Floyd just asked for Olympic style testing, no cut off date, and random. Pac first rejected the test. Then he accepted it with a 30 day cut off. His final offer was 14 day cut off and he needed to know when the test was coming. That’s not random if you have predtermined dates. How can you have pre planned “random” testing. Pac himself has ridiculous demands. Floyd agreed to all of them immediately. Pac NEVER agreed to all of test stipulations. Bob “the second coming of Don King” Arum, put his spin on it knowing that that Pac fans will take his side. Pac could rape his own mother and they will say it’s Floyds fault. Bottom line he NEVER agreed to random with no cut off gate. To normal people it sounds like Pac doesn’t want to be caught off guard. To Foyd hating Pac lovers….you know.
by djkrazykill on Sep 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He fully agreed to Olympic Style Testing.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 20, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time Manny has supposedly agreed to olympic style drug testing, one of his handlers come out and say otherwise or introduce a new caveat. That’s the game that the Top Rank team is playing. They will say one thing, but will never put it on paper in the clear cut way that they put things out in the media.
This is what Roach said while they were training for Mosley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5sLJjGtjIM
by novawolverine on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yea, and I love how you try and act like a know-it-all while you accuse Mayweather of juicing. Why don’t you provide some facts of this. It’s one thing to want to deregulate PED’s, but it’s another thing to throw out these accusations. You sound so rational on other issues, I don’t know why the hell you’re resorting to baseless accusations on this one.
by novawolverine on Sep 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd does the same to Pac. Where is his facts for it? if he doesnt need any I dont.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
mayweather will never fight a guy like manny with his workrate. floyd knows he cant fight 12 rounds of picking his shots and shucking and jiving the way he normally does. manny’s ring generalship, overall boxing iq and workrate make him a real problem to figure out.
the only way PBF fights manny is if he does the Sugar Ray leonard and think thats Hagler (pacman) has lost a step/is slowing down….and then PBF will be all over the fight with an announcement about how its great for boxing and the rest. this is EXACTLY like sugar ray ducking hagler then baiting him with the fight, then “retiring”…..then taking it only if and when he thinks he has the edge.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 20, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Floyd is slowing down as well. Besides, it’s not like he has no point at all. Pacquiao’s rise is almost unprecedented and he has some shady people doing his business. I agree that Pacquiao’s work rate is difficult to deal with. I think it’s more of a Calzaghe vs. Hopkins situation, though. It can be overcome if you’re the longer fighter and you have an active jab and can somehow wear down the opponent like Sugar Ray Robinson did against Jake Lamotta. You have to outbox him. It would be tough, for sure.
by novawolverine on Sep 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
floyd also fights in the city where lydocaine (sp?) is legal. mosley’s coach talked about it on 24/7 and ellerbee/floyd’s mgment guy went crazy at even insinuating that floyd needs a numbing agent for his hands……ellerbee’s reaction made it pretty clear, and if you’ve watched how floyd’s style has changed, it’s to protect his hands.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 20, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
Lidocaine is used during training. It’s legal for use during training in Nevada, and is illegal in other places. But, even in Nevada, it can only be used up to a week before the fight. After that, it’s illegal.
by novawolverine on Sep 20, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd and Manny
Manny has agreed to Olympic Style drug testing, which is far stricter than USADA testing, but Floyd insists on USADA testing, probably because he wants Manny to train exclusively in the USA. Manny should agree, subject to Floyd training exclusively in the Philippines!
Floyd avoided Margarito, Cotto and Moseley at their peak and is now trying to tap dance around the Pacman, but he can’t fool all the people all the time!
MP
Was Margarito actually avoided or is this what you want to believe? Margarito beat the brakes off of Cotto, which messed him up as a boxer. Shane beat the brakes offs of Margarito and Floyd punished Shane. Cotto isn’t a smart enough boxer to beat Floyd. Why did Arum keep Cotto from Floyd when he asked to fight Cotto when they were both Top Rank Fighters? What years did he duck Mosley exactly? They weren’t even in the same weight class until 2007…what are you talking about? You’re repeating what someone said to you.

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