Why Rampage will beat Jon Jones at UFC 135
UFC 135 Jon Jones vs Rampage Jackson
With this event now just around the corner, theres going to more more talk of the fight between Jon jones and Rampage Jackson. Theres going to be alot of shit talking going around mania during this week. Theres going to be Page fans screaming " Page is gunna Knock Jon Jones's head off!!!" And then theres going to be those "elitist"..you know, those annoying ass posters that seem to think likeing the "better " fighter at the time, or the betting favorite, seems to make them far superior, talking shit on Jones's behalf. Then theres your JJ fans....wait...nevermind. But anyways, alot of people seem to think page has no way of winning this fight other than catching jones. Which is why I'm here to tell you...thats not true.
First things First..... Page is not a one dimensional fighter that hasn't evolved. Its that last part that really tics me off. Not evolving is when your losing your fights using the same style that you have always used ala Fedor, Wand. When you win. When your 7-2 in the UFC beating foes such as Machida, Henderson, and Liddell before he hit a wall, the game hasn't pasted you. And as for being one dimensional, If Page is one dimensional, than so is JDS. One dimensional is some one who can only strike and gets takendown at will. If you have the ability to stop takedowns and keep the fight standing, then your not one dimensional. Aside from fighting rashad with an injured knee, I dont recall Page ever being outwrestled. As for JDS, well, that guy just knocks MoFo's out.
How Page gets it done:
Of course theres the obvious threat of a Knockout when your facing rampage. At any moment of this fight against jones he could rock him, or even put him to sleep. But I feel thats what too many Page fans are saying on this forum. And too many others believe this is his only way out too. But im here to tell you all...its not!!
Any of you remember UFC 123 or 75?? In both of these fight page squared off against fighters that many people on this forum think could beat jones. Yet, when talking about rampage and sayings hes too one dimensional and hasn't evolved, some of you seem to forget he beat both Henderson and Machida. Both were pretty close fights, Machidas being the closer, but still the fact is, rampage edged them both. Page was able to use his wrestling ablility to counter hendersons and then use dirty boxing and some nice combos to beat him on the feet. This is a very good fight to watch if you doubt pages ability, and even if you don;t, its just a good fight to watch.
As for the Machida fight, both fighters were very cautious of one anothers skills, there fore leading to limited action. But because of Pages agressiviness, he was able to win rounds one and two. he landed the more significant shots and even took machida down in the second. Even in the third, when Machida had his flurry, Rampage then countered back right after. Eventually he was taken down, but he was able to find a way back up, almost slammed machida and then land some shots at the end.
What i'm saying is, If page doesn't score the KO/TKO he could easily win a couple close rounds ala Hendo/Machida because of his wrestling ability and striking and come out on top Something gives me the feeling that if this fight is close and goes the difference, Page will get the decision.
Heres to hoping the fight goes somewhat like this ;)
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Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
NNR who you got? Im assuming Jones
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Yep, Jones all day.
He’ll have made more leapfrogs like we’ve seen in between every single one of his fights. That and solid gameplan from some great MMA minds and you’ve got rampage gettin finished under 3 rds.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I saw he wears him down (Jones and Page respectively) in the first and then finishes him off in the second. The only possible way Page wins this fight is if he gets a counter and clips Jones. But thats saying he gets inside and then hits him.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
I think page can win a couple close rounds if he keeps the fight standing for the most part
Professional Sig Bet Record: 2-0
Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
only way i see rampage winning is by KO.. thats his only chance imo.
sadly i doubt it will happen.. i agree with NNR 99% on this one. im thinking Ramoage lasts till the 4th round, and thats when he gets tko’d..
Bones likes to take his time with fights.. i think he could have finished Shogun in the 1st round if he had more killer instinct..
If I was twice as smart I still wouldn’t pick fights any better. They can’t measure my MMA knowledge because there isn’t a scale that goes that low. The best bet for me from here on out is to just realize that Nick Diaz no matter how good he looks against average fighters will be demolished rather easily by "The Prodigy" B.J. Penn
by stinky~fingers on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Bones is a surprisingly fast starter. No ando style guaging. I do think he has killer instincts but,,
As far as the shogun fight i think it had to do with shutting down his safe zones?? (ANS) as they call them over at jacksons. Place that fighters go when threatened with offense. GSP talks about it too when gameplanning. Page only has 1 safe zone, sit on his punches and that high guard counter once you enter his range. IMO He’s not particularly accurate when he’s moving forward and getting inside on guys so not too effective. But when you come at him and miss when in his range, he’s way quicker to the draw and generates his patented power much like wand and chucky fights or the knockdown on sardine.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
safes zones...sounds lame, smart, but lame
I really dont think gsp or jones really needs to deal with these, both are plenty talented to do without them.
*Knockdowns!!! emphasis on the S of Jardine
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
not my words, those are jacksons.
Sardine and forrest bum are both known for very compromised glass chins yet all that power that page supposedly brings didnt put them out or seriously hurt them. jus sayin
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
whats the one percent you disagree with??
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
3 punch flurry???
Page still fired back…the most meaningful part of the gif is the takedown
and if i recall correctly page won that fight ;)
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is mad hittable and i think his power might be exaggerated too.
Check this bad boy out right here

Mind you this is from the same guy throwin bombs right here

Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
lol at jardine missing every single punch in that second gif..
If I was twice as smart I still wouldn’t pick fights any better. They can’t measure my MMA knowledge because there isn’t a scale that goes that low. The best bet for me from here on out is to just realize that Nick Diaz no matter how good he looks against average fighters will be demolished rather easily by "The Prodigy" B.J. Penn
by stinky~fingers on Sep 21, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL both fights of the gifs youve shown page won
and that was one flurry, happens to everyone. Page dropped jardine plenty of times in that fight.
Lets have a real conversation about this fight
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I just wanted an excuse to post the jardine gif of him missing everyshot.
Everytime i see that i think – “ok, umm, just wow, here how about you let me try it”
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brandon Vera
was thinking, what the hell is this guy doing? trying to punch me?
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Page looked horrible vs JArdine even though he won
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Up until the final knockdown at the end of round 3 it could very well have gone to Jardine.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thats bs
and the judge that said that to Sardine needs shooting!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
It is what it is
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.
Thanks for posting the only part of the fight Lyoto won. If they made gifs that were 10 minutes long you’ll clearly see Rampage took it.
by Leben the Red on Sep 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but then those would go against my point.
Am sorry but i can allow for that lol
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bones always have a mental advantage in every fight hes had.
His opponents come in already mentally beat and worry about what hes gonna do and not what their gonna do. That was definitely the case with Bader, that was just sad.
He will not have this advantage over Rampage. Page is in a very head strong state right now. It may not mean he is gonna win, but it sure as shit will make this fight a lot more competitive. I expect to see Page faster than we have ever seen and in the best shape of his life.
Would Vitor vs Shogun not be a sick ass fight???
The problems in your post starts in the beginning. Rampage is one dimensional. He has dangerous hands and relies on them way too much. He doesnt kick box, he doesnt add muay thai, he doesnt even use his offensive wrestling.
So what he has to offer his striking in his hands. That is what one dimensional means.
Second, Page has been outwrestled… alot. Back to the days where the now welterweight Sakuraba took him down. Hendo also out wrestled him. Point is he looked good against a sloppy and lazy takedown artist in Matt Hammill. Jon Jones is neither lazy or sloppy in wrestling.
Then of course, everyone mentions this one shot KO power Rampage has. Where was it against Machida and Jardine? He has stopping power sure but it isnt the sure thing I touch you and you go down power.
The reason why so many people pick Jones is because he has so many more ways to win. Dont buy all the hype of the countdown shows, Rampage may look to be in good shape but his heart and mentality is easily broken. And the first time a power shot doesnt hurt Jones or the first time he is effortlessly tossed on his back… he will crack. And he will lose.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
Do you think he will lose in what round ANS?
3rd? 4th? Come on, give us an inside information! lol
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Rampage will lose inside of 15 minutes
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I've got second round but flirted with 3rd. Ans post (if he's serious) makes me feel a bit better about it
Considering I have faith in Page to TRY to make it a great fight and he’s tough.
The one thing ANS is Jackson has the tools to use other phases of his game and not be so one diminsional
The question is will we ever see PAge go for a takedown again or will we see Page take the fight to the side of the cage were he has the tools to cause damage???
For Page to win he has to change his tactics and not be the same fighter Greg Jackson is preparing Jones for,
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Those skills he may still possess are negated by the fact that Jones is better in those categories. And not a little better but alot better
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that ans
Besides Bader there is no real great wrestling base fighter Jones has faced, there is Hammil too but really Jackson is the strongest grappler Bones has faced.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
What's with all the trolling?
Go train or something, have a fight or something like that.
by danago on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He does kickbox, he does clinch and he wrestles.
Anything else you want to completely lie about?
by Leben the Red on Sep 21, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendo did not out wrestle page, page did just fine in that department against dan
and he also won.
Sp what de didnt KO jardine or machida….not everyone KOs people in every fight
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He was outwrestled in the fight with Hendo.
And each time someone mentions that he has one shot KO power they forget the last time he put someone out with a KO was Wanderlei.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He did not get wrestled against hendo
We must have two different definitions of outwrestled. Rashad…yes…Hendo..NO. Page was able to get back up and also take hendo down too
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He was taken down 3 times, passed 3 times and attemped like 5 or 6 submissions. Thats being out wrestled in MMA
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah if page does nothing back
I don know the numbers for page but he definatly held his own, got takedowns and fought HIS fights so he didnt get outwrestled
and he WON
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
After the countdown show i got page via ko. hopfully =D
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Sorry to burst your bubble but it's kinda sad when
the only real footage of him was the one where he was warming up. The rest were stock footage with a bunch of his old trainers.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They actually showed clips of him beating Machida down.
by danago on Sep 21, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember Rampage
Taking down machida and picking his nose while Machida tried to submit him. Then Machida got scared when the big mofugga actually got up, he almost wet himself.
by Leben the Red on Sep 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to post anything devoid of nonense and utter failure.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
The same excercies too. Three whole excercies.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hes doing more than 3 exercises, what about jones shadow boxing in the same gym 10 times??
you have some kind of affliation with greg jacksons??? do you watch jones train?
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not. But they showed on loop the same calf workouts
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well yea i agree
but do we really think thats all page did? and did all jones do is shawdow box and hopover a ring? no lol
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's not exactly the point i was making.
It’s just that it’s rampage that historically has questionable work ethic and watching the countdown to determine how hard he trained is probably not the best indicator.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
no
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that the only significant action of the entire fight favored Machida by far? The rest of the fight was alot of hugging and dancing around by both fighters. Machida would def be able to win a rematch.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
He would certainly be favored.
Rampage won rounds 1 and 2 purely with “positional control”. I imagine both fighters would come into a rematch with different strategies, but Machida clearly got the better of the striking exchanges.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I doubt Page would come in with a game plan, period. Which is why I think JBJ will beat him.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I don't think it makes a difference whether or not he has a gameplan against Jones.
I think the gap in talent is too vast and Rampage loses regardless.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Hey buddy you do realize that rampage won the fight?
and that the “only signifucant action” was about 3 seconds long. Im sorry but that and running around in circles for 12 minutes does not win fights. A rematch would be close but you guys need to get over it…Machida lost, Page won.
Professional Sig Bet Record: 2-0
Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 21, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage won via points w/o damaging his opponent. The question was whether Machida could win a rematch. And you keep insisting that the answer is NO - based on the fact that Page won the first match.
Nice logic, man.
So I guess you had Serra winning his rematch vs. GSP?
You had Machida winning his rematch vs. Rua?
You had Randy winning his rematch vs. Chuck?
After all, they won the first match, right?
Right?
O_o
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
lol I actually did think machida would win the rematch against rua
But of course machida has a chance in a rematch against page, im just saying it would be close again
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Rampage WILL defeat Jon Jones on Sep. 24....Mark my words!!!
by ItalianStallion54 on Sep 22, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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