UFC on FOX: Junior dos Santos can survive 10 takedowns, but can Cain Velasquez survive 10 punches?
by Jesse Holland on Sep 13, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
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UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez will put his title on the line for the first time ever when he takes on number one contender Junior dos Santos at the upcoming UFC on FOX event, which is scheduled to kick off the promotion's network television debut on Nov. 12, 2011.
What is the "x-factor" heading into this fight?
Takedowns.
Velasquez, who let his fists fly in first round obliterations of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Brock Lesnar, is also a NCAA Division I All American wrestler, making him a dangerous mat technician for any opponent -- and we have yet to see much from his Brazilian opponent in terms of takedown defense.
That's probably because "Cigano" has been too busy cracking skulls (literally) and taking names since his Octagon debut back in 2008. He's rattled off seven consecutive wins since that time, finishing five of those fine folks before the final bell.
Offense for offense, Dos Santos knows the takedown is coming, but he also knows he can survive it. But if he survives 10 takedowns, can Velasquez survive 10 of his punches in return?
The challenger weighs in (via Heavy.com):
"It's easy to get pigeonholed into one style, but the truth is I train a lot of jiu-jitsu and wrestling. I've taken to wrestling the same way I took to boxing; it feels natural to me and I am learning fast. Maybe on Fox November 12 you guys will get to see some more of my ground skills ... I see a tough fight ahead for both of us. I am sure we will each be each others biggest challenge to date. He'll be looking to take me down and pound me, and I'll be looking to knock him out ... I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Cain takes me down 10 times, I will get up 10 times. But if I land 10 punches, I'm not sure I see Cain getting back up."
Velasquez has not competed since clobbering Brock Lesnar at UFC 121 in Oct. 2010 to usurp the throne. He's been on the mend ever since, recovering from a serious shoulder injury, which required even more serious surgery to repair.
Could the layoff, coupled with the reconstruction of his shoulder, make the difference come fight night? Or will Cain retain in Anaheim? Who's your pick in this heavyweight title fight?
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Can he survive takedowns?
Yes. But Cain will do damage after each take down. I’m sure Cain can take more than 10 punches when JDS is throwing them from his back.
by p rock on Sep 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
also cain seems to be very accurate in his delivering of gnp. Love this fight
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yep not only accurate but consistent high volume.
All with power…none of that clay guida fidgety fake dry hump.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it's not the takedowns
Cain can handle strikes when your throwing them from your back but can you handle his. Another thing is Cain has speed and power and I seen Big Country get close on a couple big strikes with a little more speed from Cain those could very well be landed by Cain. Cain has the takedown threat that will make his strikes more effective than many think. The only thing I would bet on though in this fight is someone is getting KTFO or at least the fight stopped do to strikes. These guys I think are hands down the two best HW’s in the world and this fight could easily be fight of the year.
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That would be...
…“due” to strikes
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JDS is assuming that Cain can't trade strikes as well.
I wonder what his partner Minotauro thinks about that.
So much of your chin is not your physical chin but about how you react to punches and head movement.
I think when Cain fought Kongo he showed he had heart and a good physical chin and now I think he has shown good head movement as well. JDS could KO Cain but for the most part I think Cain has learned enough boxing to know how to survive and he can kick as well. Cain will be able to keep his own against JDS in the stand up, set up his shots and I doubt JDS will be able to hang at all with Cain on the ground.
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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. Cain showed in his fight against Kongo that his chin isn’t exactly Chris Leben’s but it isn’t Chuck’s either. He reacts well. Since then his striking has gotten so much cleaner.
by SnoopSteele on Sep 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
10 takedowns 10 punches?
What makes jds think cain wont ko him standing up or ground n pound after getting a takedown? Jds is the legit #1 contender but cain matches up well with everyone. Elite wrestling ko power in hands/knees huge gas tank iron chin speed strength etc he is the baddest man on the planet
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thats a pretty good post bro
As good as Cains stand up is though you probably still have to give the advantage on the feet to JDS. Going to be a war, zero doubt! I’m a JDS fan but I’m not going to be naive enough to say hes going to cruise this one.
I legit think either one can win and either one can win in a number of different ways
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after watching Cain fold like a deck of cards to Kongo's strikes
i gotta believe a few good smacks from JDS and he is done
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You mean when he took his ass down anytime he was rocked
It more showed that if you rock him your on yor back IMO
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
disagree
Kongo couldnt finish.
JDS is a finisher. If he rocks Cain he will finish him
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did your sister date Kongo or something and you get an inside scoop?
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exactly
how did he not finish Carwin?? Shane looked like absolute shit in that fight, the fact that JDS couldn’t finish him tells me he’s in for an ugly fight with The Champ.
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So why didn't jds finish carwin
Your logic is flawed here
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a dumb post.
Didn’t you see Kongo’s last fight where he finished?
by Armando Baez on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense
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So you assume Cain has learned nothing since his fight vs. Kongo? Or do you think JDS has that much of a dominant advantage standing up?
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i think JDS has that much of a dominant advantage on the feet
i really do.
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He doesn't
…the threat of the takedown alone is going to cause JDS to be tentative….don’t except his usual aggression for this fight
unless he is super confident that when he is down, he is going to get back up
Cain doesnt want this on the feet. he is going to try and wear JDS down. I think JDS catches him before he does that.
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I can see Cain standing with JDS
…mixing up the punches and kicks….it’s a 5 round fight, don’t expect Cain to try and wrassle the whole time…that’s exhausting
Its up in the air right now for me. JDS looked great vs. Carwin and Roy due to the fact that they are both brawlers w/o technique. Cain will change it up so I don't see JDS being able to keep it standing for long.
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the one thing not mentioned by anyone here that I saw or in the article is cardio!!!!
And Cain will have the advantage there. If JDS cant finish him he will not be able to go 5 rounds at Cain’s pace.
by armchairfan on Sep 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. Cain will have an advantage but there’s one thing we can say. Both fighters have never fought 5 rounds in the UFC.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct, but who do you see running out of gas first? I Don't think it will be Cain.
by armchairfan on Sep 13, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS has look pretty good in 3rd rounds against Carwin and Country
didnt he?
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he gassed hardd vs Big Country
casnt remember how he was against carwin though
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by Rampagelangford on Sep 13, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He was gassed against Country but looked fine for 3 rounds against Carwin.
In his defense, Roy Nelson is 260lbs.+ so if he’s on you against the cage, you feel probably tire out a little bit.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
newfie dont be silly
When cain got rocked by kongo he showed his godgiven chin in full hd glory for the world to see. He was like the terminator slow it down and you see his brain shutdown and reboot instantly. Its actually not fair and scary. Even brock cracked a few good times with shots i’m not sure too many of the other hw can take. Cain he just keeps coming.
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hell Yes......
nice post dude…..love the terminator reference. Cain is not human.
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Agreed. I really like JDS but I think people will be shocked
At how easily Cain takes this. Assuming that the layoff or injury didn’t mess him up too bad.
by mthom on Sep 13, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea jds def could beat cain i cant deny that. I like them both alot i just think cains a little better. Never seen jds chin or takedown defense but who knows
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s hard to set up takedowns when some one is beating you to the jab.
It’s very, very difficult to set up anything when a big man is sticking the jab in your face. See any fighter that faced a Klitschko brother.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Any fighter that has faced a Klitschko brother?
We’re talking wrassling, setting up takedowns, not strikes…your strikes don’t have to land to successfully set up the shoot
Really, we’re talking wrassling? I wasn’t aware of that. Maybe the "MMA"Mania thing confused me.
Please note. THere’s a comparison being made. JDS and the Klitschkos are big men who effectively use their jabs to control their opponents.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
…you do remember we’re talking about setting up the takedown right? I understand the Klitschko/JDS comparison but it doesn’t really apply here considering the Klitschkos never have to worry about the takedown
OK, I’ll paint a picture.
- Carwin couldn’t take JDS down beacuse there was a jab in his face. And when he was close enough, JDS saw it coming.
- Many fighters would succeed against either Klitschko brother if they were able to fight up close, in the brothers guard. But the jab prevents this.
- Koscheck was unable to set up anything against GSP, because he was usually going for one punch. AND, there was GSP’s reach advantage and the use of the simple, and basic jab.
- Jake Shields didn’t attempt to take GSP down because he had to worry about a variety of strikes from GSP to keep him at bay. Leg kicks high and low and yes, the jab.
Maybe I’m belaboring a point that doesn’t make sense, but . . . I’m trying. The Klistchkos are not worrying about takedowns. Yes, you are correct that’s very obvious.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're trying to say...but in reference to your examples
Carwin couldn’t take JDS down because his strikes aren’t dynamic enough to keep JDS guessing…his striking is very one dimensional…it had nothing to do with the jab…the jab isn’t the anti-takedown…if it was you’d see it used way more often.
Koscheck hardly shot for a takedown against GSP. HARDLY.
Shields gave up on the takedown attempts because his attempts were very unsuccessful…kicks don’t prevent people from shooting, they actually cause people to shoot…that’s why not many people kick against wrasslers
Good points.
Personally I think jabs, particularly being punched in the face often changes the way a fighter thinks throughout a match. Javier Mendez said Koscheck simply didn’t listen to us and did his own thing.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Starr - quality posts, man. You can also apply the one dimensional striking example to Kos as to why he fared poorly in trying to set up more TD's vs. GSP.
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I always thought Kos striking was one-dimensional. When it actually worked for him against some guys that couldn’t hang, he was dubbed a solid striker. Damn you, Rogan.
Uhmm, I probably asked you this question before, but what King book is that quote from?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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Sure we’ve seen jds defend a takedown but not cain’s … no one defends cains
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately Cole Konrad fights in Bellator.
So it is very easy for fans, Dana White, the MMA media to sing praises about Cain Velasquez’s wrestling ability and claim that no one can stop his takedowns.
Let’s get real and think beyond the hype.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha pure troll
Give it up
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you familiar with Konrad vs Velasquez in collegiate wrestling?
Or am I just making this stuff up because I’m a troll?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Konrad is a stud
But that doesn’t take way from Cain. Ad college and mma wrestling is very different. Cain has transitioned perfectly. I was referig to the trolling about we like Cain ad think he’s good Cus of Dana
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough. I’m a troll.
BTW, College wrestling and MMA wrestling are very different. Yeah, I know this. Konrad has been quite successful in his transition from the university into MMA.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Man he's beat beuntello and grove
Do I really need to compare Cain to him or can you think of how dumb this argument is. One day he may be the man but Cain is the man now
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dumb argument just because Cain is considered the man right now?
- At one point Brock Lesnar was considered the man because he face guys that many considered to be top guys that fought in the UFC.
- Ben Henderson was’nt considered a top lightweight fighter because he didn’t face top fighters that fight in the UFC compared to Maynard, Edgar, Miller, etc.
One day, he may be.
There are more examples when certain fighters are slept on just because they’re not facing top competition in the UFC.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Konrad has alot of work to do before he is even mentioned in the same sentence as Cain. No that Cain is a GOAT but Konrad needs to develop his striking alot more before he can be mentioned with the elite HW's.
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Yes, but that time might be a matter of months. I’ve seen serious improvements between his last two fights.
And I do recall people saying Jones needs a lot of work before he can compete against Shogun. Some times in the fight game, you never know.
And of course people didn’t feel Lesnar was ready to compete against Randy Couture.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you ojr
Exactly
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lesnar had fought way better comp when e was considered the man
And Henderson was fightig wec studs like cerrone and pettis. Not washed up fighters like grove and the headhunter. Come on man this is getting redicilous
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ridiculous?
I’m done at this point.
My argument is not focused on the names. People can argue about the quality of opposition, compare records for days. I’m talking about the assumptions being made just because Fighter A or B has not fought these fighters with high accolades.
Prior to knocking Antonio Silva out, Daniel Cromier basically fought who? Monsoon? And who else before that? Who knows what would have happened if Chad Griggs was given the opportunity. If it was him, then what?
Like I said there are more examples
Come on, Yes, Henderson was fighting studs in the WEC . . . but many people continued to harp on the fact that these guys were simply not ready for the the UFC so they just didn’t compare. That’s real, not ridiculous.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No one thought for certain that the WEC guys would come in and doiminate like they have
hell, even some of their training partners said they thought the water was too deep.
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Exactly, and the argument was basically.
Who did they fight?
Who did they beat?
And the implication is clearly there, did they fight in the UFC?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...I don't know
10 takedowns is pretty much domination….the fight will be over after that many takedowns…even if JDS gets up fast, to get taken down 10 times is a lot
I’m just stretching the point. People are hyping Velasquez wrestling like he’s unstoppable.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, we don't know much about his ground game
…he’s been tearing dudes up on the feet…but I’d assume that he’s competent on the ground, and he’s a pretty big, strong guy even though he only weighs in around 230lbs
Ok. I like how people continue to say we don’t know much about his ground game?
Right now his game is perfectly good for the UFC. I don’t care if we didn’t see him on his back or win via submission.
He has 7 fights in the UFC against wrestlers, grapplers, jiu-jitsu world champions and strikers. Incidentally his only loss is via armbar submission.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think what we’ve seen is good enough.
And how often have we’ve heard assumption statements like well Fighter A (Anderson Silva) has not faced someone with as good a wrestling game as (Dan Henderson, Chael Sonnen)? I think it is good enough.
I do recall hearing, we haven’t seen Jon Jones face a wrestler like (Hamill, Bader) or a striker like . . . Shogun.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are you replying to me
…you didn’t see the part where I said “he’s been tearing dudes up on the feet…but I’d assume that he’s competent on the ground”…?
my bad, reply fail.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS showed in his Carwin fight that his striking is one-dimensional. Yeah he’s got power, but what if that doesn’t work? Cain’s striking is much more dynamic…he actually uses leg strikes.
by SnoopSteele on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
1-dimensional?
- You didn’t see leg kicks?
- You didn’t see footwork?
- You didn’t see a poise and patience?
- You didn’t see a controlled attacked?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
not so much against Carwin
but RD2 and RD3 against BC, jDS was extremely one dimensional. Hook, hook, hook.
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In his defense, he did not need a multi faceted attack. Roy was winging haymakers from a mile away. No need to throw your entire arsenal - especially if your one counter punch was landing all night long.
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JDS showed in his Carwin fight that his striking is one-dimensional. Yeah he’s got power, but what if that doesn’t work? Cain’s striking is much more dynamic…he actually uses leg strikes.
There are many factors Snoop but I think the biggest was speed, JDS’s feet kept him away from Carwins dangerous strikes and JDS jabbed and countered Carwin to defeat. This is why JDS stated Brock would of been a tougher challenge for him as Carwins style is stand up and this is were JDS feels(and I agree) he can beat anybody were Brocks game is to take it to the ground and is much quicker and better at taking down a fighter than Carwin. Cain would be his toughest challenge standing and could even win the standing battle but thats because of the threat of his takedown’s that are better than Carwin and his speed.
I can’t wait for this fight!!!
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I see cain defending his belt several times and jds eventually returning for a rematch. They will both remain at the top of the hw division
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
cain is a beast of a man
i think cain hits harder than jds. jds is a great striker but cain is much more well rounded.
this has got to be the best heavyweight fight , skillwise, ever. i cant f'in wait
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Well Nelson took 100 of his punches
And carwin about two hundred. So in gunna go out on a limb and say Cain will be just fine. Cain by 2nd round tko
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree. But you really have to admit, Roy Nelson has proven without a doubt, that he can truly stand and deliver. That guy is beyond tough as nails.
Carwin survived but the judges decision was unnecessary.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
But Roy got ko clean by arlovski
You forget that?
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. I also remember the referee save Arlovski on the ground. Roy took that L. But he’s looking better now.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he looked absolutly terrible against mir
And I was jds punching bag. My point is nelsons chin is much more suspect then cains. And jds has to do something other then box throw a fing kick
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And carwin was his punching bag
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
He looked real bad
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by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think jds has this
standup goes to jds
wrestling goes to cain but jds has good tdd
bjj goes to jds
i know its not black in white but i think jds has the advantage in this fight
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black and white
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he trains with the nog's
cain trains with the akas
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you figure it out
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No...faaack that ish
I’m not figuring out ish…cause that makes noooo faaaacking sense…so because JDS trains with Nog he’s automatically better than Cain at bjj? That’s some lame ish right there…and I don’t mean to get upset but for some reason the “you figure it out” comment got me vex…
Cains BJJ is very elite in MMA. He has excellent top control and from the Brock fight we saw slick bottom game as well.
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by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that wasn't a BJJ escape agaonst Brock
that was a freestyle hip escape. I learned it in 4th grade.
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Butterfly guard isnt BJJ?
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by Rampagelangford on Sep 13, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Butterfly guard buddy
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by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
gif me
I am talking about the duck under and stand.
Do I not remember how he scrambled out?
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Your best quote yet.
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lol
long week
"A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I only forgot part of it.
the most important part…
"A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
First of two techniques.
Butterfly guard to create the space and standing up in base to get up. (Camarillo is big with that. Core item he says that even a lot of high level guys dont do – properly standing up in base.) So you only forgot one part of it lol. Though standing up in base without the space first wouldnt be a good idea.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The difference between Cain and JDS
….(other than the wrassling pedigree) is that Cain gets hit during exchanges…he’ll have to clean that up….if Cain can’t get JDS down consistently enough to keep JDS worried he’ll be in trouble….if JDS is that confident in his ability to get off his back then he needs to just go out there and let ’em fly but he also needs to mix it up because I think Cain is going to throw a lot of kicks
cain v kongo
Chin tested, passed with flying colours!
by Insain on Sep 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
except when he got dropped like 4 times
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i dont think cain passed the test
kongo just coulnd’t finish
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
who lost?
kongo won but he couldn’t win?
using your rational lesnar won but he felt to the floor after several of cain punches… and nogueira also won but couldn’t avoid getting hit hard in the face by cain…
again, failed arguments that want to “be” but can’t!
… if you only had a brain…
Way off base.
Cain beat Kongo. So he won but failed the striking test.
Brock and Nog lost so they failed entirely.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Newfie3, Please don’t use facts. It tends to get in the way of fanaticism.
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
dropped twice
so therefore not a fact :)
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by Rampagelangford on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
ha ha either way....
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kongo dropped him?
Or you mean punched him hard … i dont remember cain being dropped ever … when i get home ima bust out 99
by talkfight on Sep 13, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dropped him in each round
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No he didn't u guys R talking out yur ass.
How bout u put up the gifs? It’s just 1 time & he didn’t even go down all the way. The 1st time he got cracked on te chin twice he buckled but didn’t go down. He also followed up by dumping Kongo on his head. 2nd round was the only time he got dropped & he just took a knee he didn’t go down all the way.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
going down all the way? lol
Cain was rocked, dropped, buckled, whatever you want to call it.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting buckled & getting dropped is NOT the same thing?
I didnt hear U saying Diego dropped kamp twice when he got buckled.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
Difference is this.
When Kongo buckled Cain, Cain didnt drop like most would because his wrestling nature sent him for a TD. He was attemtping TD’s from his knees.
He was dropped twice, rocked three times.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this one falls somewhere between. He was rocked, and his knee also hit the ground, so technically, he was dropped too.
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Like I said, his insticts took over. He was dropped and buckled and shot in.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting dropped means getting put on yur ass & has never meant other wise.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
^this
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see his knee hitting the ground, the view obscures it.
If this was a strictly barbershop talk, I wouldn’t say that he dropped Velasquez. I would say that he rocked him and Cain buckled.
But in professional sports, I believe as soon as an opponent’s knee touches the floor from a strike . . . that’s ruled as a knockdown.
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
NOthing like a gif to clear things up.
So . . . the question begs to be ask?
- Did Rashad Evans rock, stun, or drop Rampage?
- Did Chael Sonnen rock, stun or drop Anderson Silva?
Another question, how do hit a guy
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
get your facts straight!
cain never went down. he actually showed endurance and and a good chin against one of the harder punchers outhere.
you are trying to win and argument that you actually lost before it even started.
by alexnexus on Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually he was dropped at least twice. Dropped. As in went down
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i saw the fight. did you?
stumbling is not going down. it’s stumbling.
going down is landing on your hands/knees or flat on your back.
this never happen. check your video-memory dude!
by alexnexus on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was knocked down twice
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And He immediately went back up.
Therefore proving he has a granit chin.
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You are dumb
This fight PROVED cain as a granit sht. Shut up already.
And I’m a JDS fan.
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Why is JDS only throwing 10 punches in this fight?
Blackhouse can surely come up with a better game plan than that???
Resist Much, Obey Little.
I lol'd at this
Fav fighters - machida, faber, hominick, pettis, hardy and killer Cain
by Kalejohncox on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good one.
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 13, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all in the title of the article
He won’t need the eleventh punch, Cain will be sleeping by then. Perfect fight strategy.
Cain's striking is great too...
…He’s just not as good of a boxer as Junior. I think people are taking it as a foregone conclusion that JDS is going to have better striking than Cain. I don’t necessarily think that this is the case. Junior’s boxing is way better, but Cain attacks from all angles and combos punches with kicks, elbows, knees. I’m rooting for Junior, but Cain is definitely VERY dangerous in the stand up department as well.
Cain Velasquez has won via KO/TKO!
The title of this article is a poor one.
I understand you want to make one a “fighter” a the other a “wrestler”, but is a failed argument.
Velasquez has won his last three fights via TKO (Rothwell), KO (Nogueira), TKO (Lesnar).
do Santos has won his last two via decision (Nelson, Carwin).
Who has the most efficient punching skills? The cleaner boxer or the “wrestler” that knocks people out?
Do Santos is not going to be able to throw several uneventful punches against Velasquez. And every time he gets closer to Cain, the power is there.
So the title of this article should’ve being:
UFC on FOX: Who hits harder: do Santos or Velasquez? Who can really win by KO/TKO?
… don’t mention it…
Well Cain has won while standing over someone. JDS has won while standing.
Big difference in KO/TKO
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
in my eyes, TKO or KO doesn't matter...just the W.
if a fight is finished, it doesn’t really matter how.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
I agree with that
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ha!
ask the fighters, the coaches, the doctors… you don’t fight, do you?
you sound like someone that never has stepped into a ring and slugged it out.
Ask them what?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
?
What are we asking coaches, fighters and doctors?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
if it matters how fighters win? lol
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by Rampagelangford on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Then I will go ahead and answer as two of those three people. No, it does not. Win is a win.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
wrong again!
nogueira and lesnar where standing when TKOd and KOd
nelson and carwing where standing also and went the distance.
what do you mean?
Brock was on his side. Sorry my friend.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ha again!
yes: lesnar landed on his side… after getting kneed and not doing anything afterwards.
so technically the TKO happen because of the knee. the rest is just “a day at the office”!
ha to you
the TKO is called when the referee stops it, which were to the punches.
so technically and in reality it was from punches
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by Rampagelangford on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No, Cain beat Brock up from on top of him.
JDS has much more KO’s then Cain does. Cain has plenty of TKO’s but his only true KO was vs Nog
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
HHmmm
how come now a day’s the most time we talk about mma is al takedown this takewon that .
Thats how you can see in the ufc you dont have to fight to win a fight just take him down and hold him there and youre set.
But in this fight good thing cain bring more than takedown takedown takedown
Cain has the best mma tools
But cigano has great defense tools cigano Is a big dude and fighting carwin added more confidence in his sprawling
Cain will be coming in this fight with a specific gameplan for sure, just like he did with Brock and he follows his corners instructions perfectly
by elmojo on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well I'm pretty sure you fired off more than 10 punches in your last two decisions
Cain by 4th round tko in savage bloody dominant fashion.
by wooly shambler on Sep 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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