Scott Coker: Recent Strikeforce cuts were done 'in fairness to the athletes'
Because there are only so many spots on a televised fight card to go around -- and they have to be saved for people who win.
That's according to Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker, who recently told The Fight Show with Mauro Ranallo that Valentijn Overeem and Marloes Coenen were released from the Strikeforce promotion to allow them to "create another future somewhere else."
You don't have to go back to Amsterdam, but you gotta get the heck up outta here.
It's probably just coincidence that both Coenen and Overeem are from the Golden Glory fight camp. As was former Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion Alistair Overeem, who was stripped of his title and told to pack his bags after stubbing his toe.
After all, if the Showtime television schedule is already mapped out for the next six to eight months, it really doesn't make much sense to hang on to Jon Olav Eienemo, especially when he fights for the UFC.
Oh, wait.
"Well, you know, Mauro, that whole thing about Alistair (Overeem), I think it's been documented," Coker said. "I think it's been regurgitated over and over so I don't know if we have to get into that. But with Valentijn (Overeem) and Marloes (Coenen), you know, right now, there's only so many TV spots, as you know, until the middle of next year. And, uh, they're, um, you know, in this business, you've gotta keep winning. So, to me, it was a situation where Valentijn had that loss, I believe in June, so that was already in the works anyway. It just seems sudden to everybody because it just all happened this week. But that was already on its way for Valentijn. The slots are going to be for the fighters that are victorious right now. We have a lot of athletes under contract and we have to get everybody fights and there's only so many slots. There's only so many TV dates, we only have two more TV dates on the big show before the end of the year. September is already full, December is getting full and then January is hopefully are finals and that's going to have a full card already. So in fairness to the athletes, why just let them hang around? It's a much fairer situation to let them go fight elsewhere and create another future somewhere else."
UFC President Dana White shocked the MMA world back on March 12 when he revealed that Zuffa, parent company of Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), was the proud new owner of what was widely considered the world's number two fight promotion.
While both Strikeforce and UFC continue to operate as separate entities, most of the MMA community expects Zuffa to eventually merge the brands much like it did with UFC and World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) earlier this year.
Until then, it's "business as usual."
So don't expect fighters from Golden Glory who lose to be "hanging around."
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Why is Dana so pissed at the Golden Glory camp? Why does Paul Daley still fight for Zuffa?
I’m hoping to hear Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler are free to “go fight elsewhere and create another future somewhere else.”
in the end, it was a short, sneaky H-Bomb from underneath that shook me loose as I clung, helplessly from Fedor’s shrinking nutsack. To think that Fedor could finish the great Dan Henderson, who’s never been Ko’d in his entire career, is the true definition of blind nuthuggery. The only fighter left on the planet that Fedor can beat is Patrick Cote.
i think the fact that reem has been rather difficult to work with has given zuffa a bad vibe from golden glory.
and dont be surprised to hear that smith, lawler, and daley got their walking papers in the next week or so. I wouldnt be.
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This^^^.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
i thought SF contracts wern't exclusive.. couldn't these fighters just fight somewhere else until SF could book em? thats what alistar was doing anyways..
December is getting full and then January is hopefully are finals and that’s going to have a full card already. So in fairness to the athletes, why just let them hang around? It’s a much fairer situation to let them go fight elsewhere and create another future somewhere else."
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Homey was playing bullshit games, Stinky. I understand Remm getting dumped but the other cuts seem vindictive.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
mousasi was allowed to take fights elsewhere.. same with other fighters..
see how well SF and other minor leagues did with allowing cross promo.. they really stuck up for their fighters.
LOL
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Reem had the belt hostage for 3 years. If he really cared about it he would have defended it a little bit more often. SF is to blame for being so lax but Reem is not without fault. Then again, I am sure he does not care. He can have fun in K1.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
i think reem wanted out of his contract the second of the zuffa purchase.
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cokers reasoning for the other cuts(aside from val) reeks like bullshit..
no one will ever have success with cross promo and non exclusive contract..
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
SF really didn't have anybody for him to fight for those three years
He was excited to be in the GP and quadrupled his appearance ratio because of it.
Dana was being a vindictive ass from what I’ve seen and read on this situation. Reem was hurt as far as his doctors say and he didn’t want to take a chance with his career by accepting a fight with only a 5 week camp.
As far as I know, I agree with Reem on this one so far.
in the end, it was a short, sneaky H-Bomb from underneath that shook me loose as I clung, helplessly from Fedor’s shrinking nutsack. To think that Fedor could finish the great Dan Henderson, who’s never been Ko’d in his entire career, is the true definition of blind nuthuggery. The only fighter left on the planet that Fedor can beat is Patrick Cote.
i'm thinking that alistair tried to make SF work around him, versus him adhering to their schedules.
once a mgmt team f*ks up deals with the promotion, it f*ks up the relationship of all the other fighters they represent also.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
Jay, it's the deconstruction of Strikeforce
I expect Scott Smith to join that line along with Paul Daley.
To be honest it may be best for Daley to ship on back to merry ole’ England and fight for BAMMA. He gets to fight a lil less stiff competition and still get his TDD goo enough to use his boxing. Then again his boxing was beat by Nick Diaz.
Smith, it is all over and your days of regional mma and HDnet exclusive show headlining has begun. Nothing wrong with that Smith but maybe string a few and get one last handsome sum from a promotion.
Strikeforce, is done with the Grand Prix is done and it is for the best..theres just not enough depth to create any divisions. Plus T.Woodley is good enough for the UFC, Big Foot is ready, Gilbert is and so many others.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i'm ready to see G Mel in the UFC LW scenario.
there’s already a clusterfuck going on there, but he could probably help sort it out.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
It's a shame in hindsight
Strikeforce kinda beat all the odds and grew huge in the last two years fromw hat many thought of it. It took practically all of EliteXC’s guys sans Kimbo and made a legit place for fighters to depart to.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
G Mel?
That is just awful.
I hope to never read that again!
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by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What exactly do you have against Mel Gibson??
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
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by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Gmail-Mdez-only cool gracie fighter-Gillem
say it however you like…
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
How about Gil Melendez?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
i'm more of a 'el niño melendez'
specially since i can pronounce the ñ
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How do you make the tilde appear above the n?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
my keyboard includes an ñ
being a latin keyboard and all.
you can also type ñ and it will be replaced. Same for á, é, í, ó, ú: á, é, í ó, ú.
they’re called escape sequences, you can find the complete reference here or via google
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á, é, í, ó, ú: á, é, í, ó, ú.
much better
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á ñ
testing
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
like this
el niño melendez’
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You pretty smart for a 209 dude. Typing on a keyboard in Spanish and stuff. I am impressed by your performance.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
haha
copy & paste
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by stinky~fingers on Aug 4, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Gil needs 2 change his name 2 " el hombre "
No escaping pain
You belong to me
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by d*locc on Aug 4, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He ain't a kid no more he's almost 35 years old.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
by d*locc on Aug 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
'el niño' is the new 'the california kid'
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Lawler vs Cote is a fight I'd be interested in watching!
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I heard GG wanted co-promotion and was thinking of doin their own thing
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe they asked the UFC to co promote.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that was initially reported by loretta hunt
or something to that extent. The jury is still way, way out there giving the source
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No shit? They couldn't have actually expected the UFC to co promote
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
totally, that would have been pretty stupid from zuffa
they hold the upper hand there. Golden glory has great kickboxers but not that many mmaists, so there’s no reason to believe they could have any leverage
pride never die
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Alistair got his brother and Marloes fired too.
I like Alistair but you have to wonder if his ego got in the way of business. Usually you would’ve heard from Dana if that was the case, but he is biting his tongue on the situation. Dana biting his tongue?? hmm, that sounds funny.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
i wouldn't put all the blame in alistair
chances are his managment got it in the way too
pride never die
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Reem had one title defense in 3 years, and that was against a guy who could only beat his wife.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This ^^^
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
2 be fair tho SF didn't really have any1 for him to fight in that time span.
He did the k-1 tourney & he was doing the SF tourney ( 1 of the deepest tourneys ever) they cudnt give him another month? He just fought werdum no that long ago he was going 2 fight.
No escaping pain
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by d*locc on Aug 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just said this higher up
SF had nobody to fight for Reem.
in the end, it was a short, sneaky H-Bomb from underneath that shook me loose as I clung, helplessly from Fedor’s shrinking nutsack. To think that Fedor could finish the great Dan Henderson, who’s never been Ko’d in his entire career, is the true definition of blind nuthuggery. The only fighter left on the planet that Fedor can beat is Patrick Cote.
There are other fighters in under zuffa
who have butted heads with dana white in the past, like rampage, tito, penn, etc and he he gave them a second chance, lets hope he does the same for alistair.
When I read what Coker said
I couldn’t help myself but to imagine Dana White holding a gun to his head.
Ha. Nice. I was thinking something similar. But haven’t all his comments sounded that way since the “acquisition?” It’s like every time he’s interviewed, he seems just a little bit more deflated and uninspired. Poor Coker.
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by Kevin Haggerty on Aug 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he doesn't wanna be there at all
so much for business as usual
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Lol.
I was thinking along the lines of the movie Red dragon. Were danas standing behind the camera making sure Coker reads everything written down on the note or else.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
by d*locc on Aug 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The whole thing is bullshit...it's pretty lame
Fedor "The Can Crusher" Emeilianko IS NOT THE BEST HW EVER , in fact he sucks! he has the most padded record in the history of any combat sport, scratch that in the history of any sport. He has not changed as a fighter , he is still just as good as he was then, only difference is he isn’t fighting freaks and nobodies, I , along with many others have been duped into believing he is great, when clearly he is NOT!
by Starr788 on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Typical non-answer bullshit from Coker.. I fully understand cutting Valentijn, because he looked like crap in his loss. But for Coenen? No, that doesn’t make sense. There has to be a lot more to this story than what Coker is telling us here.
It makes perfect sense.
It’s the deconstruction of not just Strikeforce, but of women’s MMA in the mainstream.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i have to admit, i like the idea of women's mma...but not so much the product.
maybe i’m a bit misogynistic, but i like seeing them in bikinis carrying a card or posing in the ring all sweaty with a pair of gloves. i dont find the brusies and blood too appealing.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
Ill admit im hypocritical in this sense,
I don’t feel completely comfortable watching two women beat the crap out of each other. Just doesn’t feel right.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Same.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Agreed. WNBA is inferior, and I have even less interest in those wretched women’s football leagues. Now women’s beach volleyball is a different story.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
Yes, that’s one plausible theory. My point is, that’s not what Coker said. He just gave a nonsensical vague answer that didn’t answer any questions.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You think he would publicly admit that the company he built was being destroyed and he was going along with it?
Or that every woman fighter he has should secretly be searching for new employment? There is no way he would admit that to a reporter.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not saying he should, I was just expressing my frustration that his interview didn’t provide any new information whatsoever that’s relevant to this story.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya.
But we probably will never know the true cause for sure. It’s just going to be he said she said. So we just have to do our best to find the logical reasons.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Time will tell! I’ve heard some rumors that Golden Glory have been difficult to work with, and that they were perhaps overvaluing their fighters and their importance to Strikeforce. So Zuffa made a power move and decided to cut the whole bunch to put an end to the troubles. That and possibly something about a few key people in the team / management that were in some way shady or undesirable to work with. I don’t know, obviously some insider stuff there.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Also I now saw that I misread your first post, I only read the “deconstruction of WMMA” part. Of course, no, I wouldn’t expect him to say his company is being destroyed. But if they really are not going to continue promoting womens fights, that’s something he could have possibly hinted at, since it would become apparent pretty soon anyway.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He could have.
But that could cause unnecessary tension between him and the women fighters he has left. I’m sure they want to put that tension off for as long as possible. I do believe that message will come soon though.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, true. Maybe, we’ll see. If they do keep Strikeforce around as a promotion, I think it’s possible they keep around a few of them, or at least have the possibility open for someone like Gina every now and then. But if they want to merge and put an end to Strikeforce? Hell no, there will be no women in the UFC obviously.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, cutting her just devalues the titles imo. you lose it and get cut in one match just so it’s ‘fairer’ that you can fight again somewhere else for a different belt in a different organisation ? whatever.
the sooner SF is closed the better now
I do feel this was the UFC's move
Dana doesn’t want too many women fighters around when the merge comes. Makes it easier when the time comes if you have only a few left.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
CONSPIRACY THEORY
Now Dana will get to sign Alistair into UFC. Dana hasn’t say a bad word about AO since he is out of the grand prix, isn’t that surprise you ?
As soon as an interviewer asks him about Overeem after his next fight, be it K-1 or MMA
Then the verbal bashing will begin.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
"who has he really fought at HW?"
“did you not see the Werdum fight? if you even wanna call it that??”
“Let’s see what Alistair can do against the true top guys. Then you’ll see I’m right.”
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
to an extent, yes. because Dana rarely applies a filter to his comments.
On the other hand, i think he recognizes the star potential Reem has and doesn’t wanna fuck up any good relationship he has before he has a chance to cash in on it.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
Not to mention I heard that he told them his toe was injured and that September was too soon for him to take a fight
Then he turns around and accepts a fight with a no name organization “United Glory World Series” for October this year…. Not the smartest business move on his part. No opponent named yet, but he has agreed to fight at the event.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
united glory is owned by his gym
fighting there is the least he can do. Kharitonov & saki do it all the time, regardless of having other fights lined up. It’s called loyalty, something dana seems to lack
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Dana lacks loyalty? How do you mean? the guy has been with ufc and fertittas forever.
he gave Chuck a cushy office job after retirement. Rich Franklin is still around. Bonner is still touted as legit. Hughes is still getting gigs. Etc, etc.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
Overeem
will be in the UFC 140 card i think. I have afeeling a december date would suit Alistair much better then september. Plus his huge money maker is Canada and if he can find guys selling there not named GSP then more the merrier.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
he lacks loyalty
he didn’t like captain paycheck leaving to fight elsewhere so he handed out a lawsuit for instance. Hendo didn’t want to re-sign so dana went on a bashing, same for werdum, tito, etc
dana doesn’t know loyalty (nor respect) from his ass
pride never die
We've got a Smurfs movie and a Yogi the Goddamned Bear movie, but still no Arrested Development movie? Shit Hollywood. Just ... shit. - Chris Bucholz
Remember when that fighter had a seizure before his fight and couldn't compete and Dana still paid him his win bonus?
That was cool. Also how he helped Rampage out after he acted like an ass? Also I was real impressed when he kicked Jesse Tayloy off TUF for being a dickhead.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 4, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
he helped rampage because he makes money off him
that’s loyalty to money, not to rampage.
the other bits, how much of it is dana’s and how much is it the rest of zuffa’s? we don’t know for sure. For every great thing dana does for the ufc, he drops the ball in some other areas
pride never die
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To me it seems more like his loyalty is to the sport, or his brand of the sport
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
none of us are perfect, and what his true motivations are can only be known by him, but Dana does some very noteworthy things for people, charities, community, etc
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
The ufc is a buisness, bottom line. Making money is his loyalty.
by MMA Boss on Aug 4, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. I am sure if Chuck was just a mid tier LHW instead of a HOF'er then he would not be "best friends" with him, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
i respect that opinion, but don't fully agree.
I think Dana has a problem with people who think or act like their names are bigger than the UFC brand. He likes to be the boss, but if you can be a “team player/company man” then he will look after you.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
Man runs a business
My employees that play ball get more leway than the ones who don’t simple as that/
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yep. and as a business owner you have to set a standard.
once you let one person push the boundaries, everyone else will do the same.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
he just likes his ass being licked/kissed
and he will put up with any shit as long as you make money, ie: anderson silva, captain paycheck
pride never die
We've got a Smurfs movie and a Yogi the Goddamned Bear movie, but still no Arrested Development movie? Shit Hollywood. Just ... shit. - Chris Bucholz
K that's garbage
He turns down a huge HW grand prix to go fight a can and he has to lie about it? “Uh, I’m hurt sorry guys, can’t fight big foot.” “I’m not hurt enough to woop this guys ass over here though…”
Face it, that’s a douchebag move.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i think Alistair is trying to see what kinda clout he really has. looking for that big contract ala Nick diaz aka overrated and about to be overpaid but ass whipped.
"There are no pacts between lions and men."
dates boys, dates
Is it the same night as SF grand prix? Nope. If we’re being fair, let’s look when his fight is. He wasn’t ready for SF prix. If fight is even a month later like he said he’d take for SF then we got no argument here.
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by daniel worby on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the fight is in octuber
that’s one more month to heal and less time spent training. According to kickboxer, training takes less time than the needed for mma
i hate the fact that he left the tournament but i won’t complain about him fighting elsewhere
pride never die
We've got a Smurfs movie and a Yogi the Goddamned Bear movie, but still no Arrested Development movie? Shit Hollywood. Just ... shit. - Chris Bucholz
Have to disagree
You don’t pull out of a huge fight like that because of a toe injury. Even if it’s legitimate one month isn’t going to make that big of a diff. He got caught lying, plain and simple.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
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by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
he also has a broken rib
which according to anderson silva, prevent you from stoping a takedown.
in kickboxing he just needs to be careful with the body shots
pride never die
We've got a Smurfs movie and a Yogi the Goddamned Bear movie, but still no Arrested Development movie? Shit Hollywood. Just ... shit. - Chris Bucholz
Agreed with OD.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
So according to Coker Zuffa has a new policy?
So I guess the three strikes rule is now one strike and you’re out? Looks like only GSP and Anderson received the memo if you loose as a champion you get thrown in to the shark tank…
This is such a bull answer by Cocker. Don’t make up things as you go because it comes out like total nonsense, just say “no comment” or “Dana told me to do it, I’m his bitch you know”.
The bottomline here is that it isnt just because of fairness to the athletes. Coenen was just the champion, you dont cut number one contenders. Especially since Tate’s title has no immediate challenger.
Also, the “Fairness” thing goes out the window when the UFC also releases Einemo. So both promotions release their GG fighters. Einemo despite a debut loss is in a shallow division and had a pretty good showing.
There is much more to the story
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
exactly.
I have an idea ANS and would love to hear your thoughts.
I believe after last winter’s K-1 finale Overeem signed a 3 fight deal (3 tournament or non tournament fights)
I think the UFC wanted to re-negotiate his deal due to him advancing to the Semis and the Grand Prix closing up soon. You don’t want the SF grand prix winner leaving with that momentum (all the favor in his cards)
I Think Alistair played hard ball knowing the UFC/SF really wanted his rights but in they cut him knowing their the only real big player out there and decided to end his bargaining rights aka a grand prix win alongside his SF HW belt
Thoughts?
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
i have to agree wih ans and the brockness monsters striking coach!
this crap is exactly whats wrong with the UFC. Its like Roger Godell having a problem with an nfl player from penn state University, so he decides to kick out all Penn state University football players from the nfl.
ANYONE IS A DAMN FOOL if they think rUMINA DESERVED TO GET CUT!
i understant valentjn getting cut
No fuckin way Einemo should have ever been cut
as for Alistar, they should have just showed him the money, and locked him into a long term, zuffa binding contract!
Look Alistair and Zuffa didn't see eye to eye..i get his cut
he and v.overeem cut made sense based on those terms.
The UFC can’t just say ‘Strikeforce is leaving and were cleaning the cupboards’. SF is dead and you will see the numbers dwindle the remained of the year because only realy fans would watch showtime.
If SF really has np plans to continue women’s mma which i’ll be suprised if we see Tate defend the belt at all, they should’ve advised Tate firstly.
The real cut that surpised me was J.Olav Einemo because i thought the UFC would’ve recognized that people loved his fight at UFC 131 and that he was atleast worth using one more time especially at UFC 138 in Europe on a weak card.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a neat trick. Coker moves his mouth and Dana's voice comes out.
Thanks for the lies. Scott we all know you’d have given Valentijn a valentine and a title shot with a loss back under the old SF.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Sounds to me...
that after the January show SF is going to be folded into the UFC… These guys are not going to be pulled over so they cut them and let them start looking for other orgs. that will have them… Isn’t the Showtime deal ending in Feb, makes perfect sense to me to let them go now…
So This would make it StrikeFarce?
So SF was already a joke after the first round of the Grand Prix, Coker saying Fedor could possibly return as a substitute. Hey, who needs alternate matches anyway?!?!
For the 2nd round of the GP not giving anyone the opportunity for a good training camp. Reading Alistair’s comments it seems to me the dates for the 2nd round and finals weren’t set yet and SF was forcing the dates on to the fighters.
Not saying it should all revolve around 1 fighter.
Than stripping Alistair of the title. Why??? He won his fights, if they claim injury: What a joke.
Marloes, she lost against Cyborg, no shame. She won the title the fight after in her current weight class, made a title defense and now lost a fight.
Now they’re cutting her? Somebody explain this, cause that’s again a big freaking joke.
I remember years ago people commenting how MMA was so much different than boxing politics wise, Guess for SF that time has come.
I can only hope Coker made these decisions on his own, otherwise it’s not looking too god for the sport
tv spots for guys who win??
how has fedor managed to main event two events following loses? kind of a poor excuse for the cuts , just say they suck , we don’t want them , val has a jason guida like record and womens MMA is not somthing zuffa is gonna spend money promoting
new policy:effective now...don't ask questions
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to see here, move along.
Forget……
Forget…….
Forget……….
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
we mistook what dana white said: business as usual – the ufc style :D
I didnt expect to see anything less.
Now if they were going to just own two different brands then maybe. But when it became clear a merging was inevitable they would over time make the two look more and more similar.
by jestermarcus on Aug 4, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What utter bullshit, reem didn’t duck time dates or hold the title hostage, he called out fighters and the only one who accepted was rodgers. At the end of the fight against werdum coker said out of his mouth that the next event was in october on the 15, it even said so on wikipedia, then out of nowhere its september and dude is out of the tourney? what a load of bullshit, zuffa sucks and coker is gonna get fired soon while they merge the company and abolish the female fighters.
you know you can't source wikipedia...(trolling)
I still think Showtime fucked over SF or that Zuffa wanted to ensure they had Overeem’s exclusives rights and Reem was too much dolla dolla bills yo
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Aug 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutting Valentijn and Olav makes sense
but cutting the former champ? that one doesnt make sense, strikeforce kinda just shot themselves in the foot by cutting Coenen cuz after Tate and Kaufmen fight who else is there? keeping Coenen around would either make for a rematch or if someone beat her it would make them a legit contender
what about marloes coenen
So Coenen was champ she loses her title in a title match and she gets dumped right away after 1 loss as the champ that’s freaking retarded.
I can understand Valentijn.
But to cut coenen after 1 loss (title match) seems just retarded, their trying to dismantle the female mma divisions.
I mean just be honest to your damn intentions and don’t sugarcoat it like a backstabbing pos.

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