Boxing promoter sides with Dana White against 'greedy' Bob Arum
Dana White thinks Bob Arum is a greedy, fat pig that takes and takes from boxing and gives nothing back. "He's a complete douche bag," according to the UFC President.
The feeling is mutual. Arum, although not as intense and aggressive in his delivery, has long professed his disdain for White and the business practices he runs with his mixed martial arts organization.
Big surprise from both guys, right?
What does come as somewhat of a surprise, though, is boxing promoter Lou DiBella coming out in support of White in a recent interview with ESPN.com.
It's simple, really. Boxing is not what it used to be and according to DiBella, White is correct in his assertion that Arum is to blame for the sad state of the "sweet science."
"I agree with a lot of what [Dana White] said. There's no question that when Don [King] and Bob [Arum] dominated this business for literally generations, that not a lot was invested back in the business. Frankly, Bob Arum admitted as much at his Hall of Fame induction. And the sport is in worse condition today than it's ever been."
White, having come up through the world of combat sports in boxing, knows a thing or two about it, so his flinging around insults carries at least a little weight.
The fact that he's built an empire with the UFC once he moved over to promoting mixed martial arts means he's a savvy business man that should be regarded as such and respected for.
Even if Bob Arum doesn't thinks so.
As DiBella believes, you can't argue with facts. The UFC is growing and boxing is dying. One of the biggest reasons for that is the way White treats his company and the employees within it.
In short, fight or go home.
"If a guy fights in retreat, Dana's not putting him on again. He has an advantage because [UFC] is a monopoly. But that aside, you have to know what people find entertaining. If you move backward, and I don't care if a writer says he's a good fighter, the public doesn't want to see him. Boxing has lost sight of the fact that it's a subset of the entertainment business. And Dana has not forgotten that."
Manny Pacquiao is an outstanding boxer, probably the best on the planet at his chosen craft. But his fight with Shane Mosley recently was rather anticlimactic due to the fact that Mosley was reluctant to engage.
And that right there is an issue plaguing the sport. It's also the one thing White does so much better than promoters like Arum ... he figures out a way to get his fighters to put on exciting fights, which is what you, the viewer, ultimately want.
Thanks to the UFC striking a deal with FOX, we could very well be inching closer and closer to a world in which combat coverage is dedicated mostly to MMA with boxing getting just a passing mention.
If that happens, White and DiBella know who they think everyone should point the finger at.
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Lou DiBella, the promoter that refused to work with Jermaine Taylor after getting KO'd by Abraham (and others in a row)
Probably was his biggest “cash cow” if that’s what you can call him. The man doesn’t really understand MMA (or at least he didn’t seem to years ago) but he obviously knows business and is not afraid to speak some truth.
jermain taylor
used to be one of my favorites…hes just past his prime now
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Jermain is like Big Nog to me.
He’ll never be past his prime – i dont care.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats just unrealistic lol
dude, hes 1-4 in his last 5…granted, 3 of those losses were to pavlik and froch, but hes just not relevant anymore…he cant hang with the andre ward’s of the world anymore
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
let me tell you about andre.....
he needs to stop hanging out with huggy bear guida and the paycheck….and instead of hugging actually box up thse guys that are clearly not as good as him.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 24, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he does fight safe, i agree
but as far as pure skill is concerned, i say hes top 5 in boxing today…i think more highly of him than most lol, but i think its safe to say hes top 10-15
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Yep, he was impressive during the Hopkins fight as anybody who beats Hopkins (since BHops title reign at least) is incredible in my eyes.
But around that time and the first Pavlik fight he was explosive. Since then and maybe at the higher weights and the wear and tear I just feel like many fighters that the fire isn’t there anymore. Whatever that reason or reasons really is.
The problem is that even as MMA grows, the vast majority of people are ig'nant
I never tweet about MMA anymore because I’m tired of people saying, “it’s human cockfighting” or “it’s barbaric” or “it’s two men having sex with their clothes on”.
Well, the last criticism is sometimes valid.
There No Point In Arguing With the Retarded
The “MMA retards” that is.
by G Squat on Aug 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
^ this
wrestlefuckers are exactly the same as mosley in the 12th round, they just refuse to engage and people eventually get bored of that shit.
with so many wrestlers coming and so much money being made, expect more boring decisions in the future unless there’s a substantial change in the unified rules
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
or
we could see everybody get better at TDD and scrambling.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
orrr
We could allow stomping and knees on grounded opponents!
Knees!
To be fair Mosley shit the bed on that fight but he’s really in the twilight of his career and made a career out of being a warrior willing to go into the trenches and fight skill men bigger than himself. Bad example imo.
Plus it was Manny.
orrrrrr
I didn’t have anything else. I just liked the way that was going
by Johnny Ballgame on Aug 24, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
or we could see wrestlers get better at striking and checking leg kicks
i’m not asking for a complete strip down of wrestling in mma, i’m only asking for more consistent judging. A late takedown FTW™ just can’t be worth more than sub attempts, that’s just ridiculous!
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
they check leg kicks just fine, mostly, it’s called a single leg TD. The problem with MMA isn’t wrassling, it’s the 10-point must. Judge the fight in it’s entirety and that whole last minute TD thing becomes much less of a problem. But, it doesn’t always work out brother——-see Hardy v. Lytle for a perfect example of how to make them pay.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
i dont see any problem with the scoring system either
10 point must is fine, i just think judges themselves need to be trained better
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Deuce02
I like your style brotha!! True shit and said very well. I agree 100 percent.
by King Combo on Aug 24, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you and welcome to mania.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
You know you logged out and made an account with the screen name "King Combo"
lol j/k
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that would have been impressive
but, alas, I am a lazy mfer.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
Sub attempts can't count for anything.
I’m no pro fighter, but if you put me on my back I can do sub “attempts” all day long and do no damage. Does that mean I won the fight? At least TD’s hurt and gives you control! reversals should get more points IMHO
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It means you put your opponent on the defensive and force him to defend
That makes you the attacker.
plus by attempting the sub
you are opening yourself up to get punched in the face.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
+1
And no u can’t just sit on ur back and throw up sub attempts… even an attempt takes skill.. let alone staying busy on the bottom the whole round
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Aug 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's fine but if they are only "attempts" why should that count for anything?
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like saying I'm gonna "attempt" to KO you.
I throw bombs that don’t land the whole fight. should I win?
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
if the other guy does nothing but backpedal
and throw weak straight punches for 15 minutes, yeah you should
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Attempting to sub mean you get close (legs up for triangle, limb control, controlling posture)
Attempting to KO if it means something similar must mean landing some strikes … so yes you should get points?
@grapplefan
I’m a fan of BJJ. I just don’t think sub attempts should count for anything, because they are just attempts. Now if you use an attempt to create a reversal of actually finish the sub and that’s when it should count. I see a bunch of guys holding on to a kimura from the bottom knowing they will not finish it, that is the same thing as laying and praying IMO
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can get with that but if there is action (reversals are a good example too I definitely agree) then it should
Think we are on the same page but subs and bottom game don’t seem to be counted as highly as top game so I suppose this is where my attitude comes from.
exactly.
that’s why I agree with the judges counting TD’s and not sub attempts. Wreslers are not attempting to get a TD, the are taking their opponents down and keeping them there. Sub attempts that don’t go anywhere should not get point. That is why Pettis lost his last fight.
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see the fight
But if the control and action was more equal (from what I hear) then it should be an evenly judged fight. From what I hear Pettis threatened with maybe 3 or so close subs.
TDs to steal the round are a joke though.
I agree that you can't use a TD to steal a round.
if one guy lands 10 jabs and the other get a TD in the last minute and keeps it there? who will the judges give it to?
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta go with Grapple on this one
If you put more incentive into submission attempts then the position on the ground is more likely to change more often. Submission attempts create opportunities for sweeps, scrambles, GnP and would pick up the pace of the action.
The kimura lock that some guy just holds onto shouldn’t get any points, but I think it’s easy to tell when someone’s really going for it and when someone’s just laying there. That part would have to be up to the judges.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if you finish the sub there's no need for points
if you’re throwing every sub known to men from the bottom you should get points since it takes a lot of effort to try anything while trying not to get your face smashed in.
the same logic applies to a takedown, it should count for points unless it leads to noticeable damage
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
Believe me, it pissed me off seeing Diego lose that dec to Fitch. but at the end of the day, Diego didn;t reverse him and didn’t finish that triangle. So Fitch wins.
by jewjiffshoes on Aug 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
nah that's the logic ppl have when they stick a needle into their ass.
it shouldn’t come down to a strongman competition and whoever can hold the other one down wins. it should be all about technique and the fighter that is coming up with the best offense to finish/win the fight, and in that particular fight Diego was the fighter that came up with the most significant offense. He had a locked in guillotine, locked in triangle, he controlled the action when he was on the bottom.
RobDeezy88 , ps3! Tito Ortiz = God !
plenty of exciting wrestlers.... most need time to develop and apply other skills as all fighter do
HvyWeight: Cain Velasquez (ChampWrestler) Carwin (Wrestler) Lesnar (Wrestler)
205lbs: Bones Jones (ChampWrestler) Rampage (Wrestler) Evans (Wrestler intially boring)
185lbs: Sonnen (Wrestler) Leban (Wrestler)
and of course the list goes on.
I think a near successful subattempt should be worth more than a takedown.. however a powerful lift n takedown should be given more credit. It’s not the takedown itself that should be given a lot of credit but what the fighters do afterwards.on the ground that makes points. I think the time on the ground should should have them stood up sooner if no note worthy action takes place from both fighters.
"Some have wrestled without great skill - none have wrestled without pride."
oh'' I almost forgot
Arum sucks…
"Some have wrestled without great skill - none have wrestled without pride."
Agree with this
Takedown followed by passes or gnp is worthwhile work and imposing your will. Sub attempts, even if unsuccessful at ending the fight are a sign of imposing your will from the bottom and being the attacker (opponent being the defender).
Very rare to do damage from the bottom so the fighter attempting submissions for the most part is controlling the fight at that time.
lol, exactly
as much as some wrestlers are boring to watch, at this point people need to know how to defend a goddamn takedown
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
I don't have a problem with watching wrassling, seriously
I get annoyed by guys like Paul Daley who bitch and moan the entire time they are on their back. It reminds me of fighting with your brother when you were a kid. Crying and moaning did nothing to get him to let me up, maybe spend some time on the mats instead of whining like a little bitch.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
some wrestlers are boring
ben askren is boring to watch…but guys like sonnen, lesnar, maynard, etc. who get after it when theyre on the ground i dont mind either
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Ben is aight
He has a really funky style, which I don’t mind.
I will blind you with my Albino Mormon Rainbow Powers of Sunshiny Joy™. - Dak
well, when you try to strike and all the other person is thinking is takedown it's pretty hard.
you don’t have to be a genius to see that. why many wrestlers are boring is b&c they lack experience in taking punches and kicks and fighting for real, the takedown is their way out and way to defend themselves.
RobDeezy88 , ps3! Tito Ortiz = God !
The LNP guys already get punished. As soon as they slip, they are cut. Sure you can go for the win, but when you eventually lose, your done. You must be entertaining, it is after all the entertainment business…
by p123 on Aug 25, 2011 2:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ultimately boxing is still making the bigger bucks at the end of the day
Until MMA fighters can make millions of dollars, promoters, PPVs and etc. can generate the same amount of money as boxing does, boxing isn’t quite dead.
"Greedy douche bag #1 come in...this is greedy douchebag #2 do you copy?"
What do you do when you’re a greedy douche bag? Just find a greedier douchier bag of fuck to make you look better in comparison.
Yes Dana….I see what you did here.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

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