UFC and FOX announce multi-year broadcast deal; first live event airs Nov. 12
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
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It's officially "official."
Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) today (Aug. 18, 2011), in a joint press conference with FOX Sports, announced a multi-year broadcast deal with the mainstream television network that will bring live UFC programming to the FOX network as early as Nov. 12 of this year.
A location and fight card for the Fall event were not disclosed.
“We’re excited to be part of the FOX family,” said UFC President Dana White in today's release. “The UFC is finally where it belongs on the number one network in the country and aligned with the most prestigious sports properties in the world. I’ve always said that the UFC will be the biggest sport in the world and with this relationship it will become a reality.”
The announcement ends days of speculation regarding the new home for the Zuffa brand of mixed martial arts, which was previously stationed on Spike TV since early 2005. That deal expires at the end of this year, paving the way for UFC programming across several of the FOX network channels.
Details after the jump.
Broadcast deal is for seven years.
The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) series will undergo a change in format to include weekly live fights.
Four live events on FOX.
32 shows on the FX channel including two seasons of TUF and six "Fight Night" specials.
Pre and post-fight shows for all the pay-per-views on Friday nights.
Additional programming including "Unleashed" and "Prelims" will move to Fuel.
No speedos allowed on FOX .
"UFC’s growth over the past decade is nothing short of phenomenal and it has become one of the marquee sports in this country," said John Landgraf, President and General Manager, FX Networks. "There is a reason for its rising popularity. It features some of the greatest athletes in the world, and we believe it will be a terrific addition to our schedule and look forward to our relationship."
There you have it, Maniacs. The UFC has landed on FOX. What's your first impression? Do we have to worry about over-saturation? Or is it going to help bring fresh faces to the sport?
For updates and highlights from today's historic press conference click here.
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and CBS sits in a corner with ProElite
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."
im pleased for you guys
its not fair that we in the uk have had all these FREE shows! ;)
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I am disappointed in the "no speedos" decision.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
IM GOING TO PRO ELITE AND TAKING MY BANANA HAMOCK WITH ME!!!!!
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great news
Love the idea pre/post fight show be nice to have the weigh ins live on tv. Then just get rid of that silly pro-wrestling cage and hold some ppv’s in the daylight when more of the population is awake instead of these midnight vegas club parties.
by ufcusa on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about cage matches? Or Hell in a Cell? Or The Elimination Chamber? See, I just shot all kinds of holes in your argument.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
the cage
Pro-wrestling is normally in a ring. To my point boxing kickboxing muay thai are exclusively rings. Jits judo wrestling tae kwon do karate fencing on open mats. The cage was only present in pro-wrestling until ufc adopted it and i personally believe we’ve grown past it as well as the open weight tournament. There’s just a stigma that comes with the idea and term of “a cage fight”.
by ufcusa on Aug 18, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s true but I doubt the UFC will get rid of it
by Black Dynamite on Aug 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
With no Cage
Comes no Showtime Kick.
by jestermarcus on Aug 18, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pettis would just springboard crescent kick off of it
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he'd 619 the shit ouf of anyone
and lesnar would do the shooting star press, i want the ring!
pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this
They should bring back the Yamma Pit
Badass in every way.
TFK
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oh agreed entirely
scott1
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Is that the sloped platform they used for the Kumite in Bloodsport?
P-Dub
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
True there's a stigma about cage fighting
But MMA doesn’t transition well into a ring in my opinion. Look how many fights in Pride and Dream had to be delayed so that the ref could reposition fighters into the centre of the ring because they got caught in the ropes whilst grappling. It kills the whole pace of the fight and looks really bad. Yes the cage may not be great to look at but fights flow a lot better in a cage and it’s a safer and more efficient environment for them to compete in.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
ring vs cage
I think a ring and a cage add another dimension to the fight and fighters adapt techniques to the environment. i have no idea what to replace the octagon with dana should hire a think tank and take a fan/fighter camp poll! Having ropes or a fence interfere to some degree with the purety of the fighter interaction. Plenty of sports create boundries without actually caging or roping the athletes in. Even some combat sports in the olypmics taekwondo wrestling judo fencing etc.
by ufcusa on Aug 18, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And the Japanese argue just the opposite about purity.
That a cage gives a fighter an advantage by using it to scoop a takedown.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 18, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
the Japanese are wrong
history speaks for itself. How many times did we have to watch fights stopped in Japan almost every time they went to the ground, so the referee could drag them to the center of the ring and artificially reposition them. It was stupid. The cage is safer (nobody falls out or gets limbs tangled in the ropes), more effective as a boundary (nobody’s head or legs is sliding under the ropes), more realistic (as real life fights often happen within walled spaces) and much harder for fighters to grab onto to prevent takedowns. In Pride we saw over and over again guys instinctively wrapping their arms behind the ropes when someone went for a TD.)
The ring is fine for fights that do not involve any grappling, but ropes are not an effective boundary for a grappling match of any kind.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Resets happen all the time
Every illegal strike or in-action is a reset but you are right ropes can impede that action. But it is just as easy for a fighter to grab the cage to prevent takedowns as it is for them to grab a rope. In fact I’d argue it is easier given the amount of miniature handholds created and the number of warnings issued and points taken away in the UFC for cage-holding.
As for the takedowns that’s 50-50 and I can see either side but you can’t really bring a real fight into it because a real fight could happen in a parking lot (ala Tito Ortiz) just as easily as inside the bar and MMA is not a real fight.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, David!
many things have been tried and the cage has proven to be by far the best venue for truly MIXED martial arts. And the UFC has perfected the art of working the camera through, over, and around the cage to give us an excellent view of the action from a variety of angles. Until they invent invisible energy forceshields, I think the cage is the way to go.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
They're getting rid of the gladiator opening sequence !!!
At long last!!!
Im looking forward to the whole revamp theyre going to be doing
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, thats what struck me first.
So sick of that fucking gladiator. Cant wait to see the new formatting.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Well Guys, It Was Nice Knowin' Ya
No more tightly knit community of hardcore fans. The current casuals will become hardcores and a massive wave of casuals is coming in. Can’t wait to see what kinda shows they put on.
It’ll be fun. Every day posting here will be like a weekend.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
we need to do our best to get them here and not over where the pussies are
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Yeah no,
Let them go where they want, the ones that are worthy will find their way here.
by jestermarcus on Aug 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We should have some sort of test for those wishing to register a username....something like Excaliber or Mjolnir to weed out the unworthy...perhaps a riddle of some sort.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I will choke the fuck out of all of them and the ones who don't cry get to stay.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 18, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
but then who would be here to dry YOUR tears and do your laundry when you piss yourself
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I only cry after sex...
…with your mom!
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 20, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad we heard
fighters thoughts on the deal.
Sure they’re happy about it, but since they provide the entertainment would have been nice to hear their input.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
kind sir, the comment added to your tag is quite superb. Bravo
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Not only gays...
But for the most part, self-centered, egocentric, social outcasts who actually think anybody gives a flying fuck what you cooked for breakfast this morning.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Hey I know everyone cares about what I had for breakfast
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Lemme guess
Bangers’n’mash again? lol
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Don't forget the bacon, toast, beans and black pudding
Can’t make a Full English without them.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
I was with you
til the black puddin’
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
yeah, they can keep that nasty shit.
It’s basically fried blood curdles isn’t it, David? They tried to get me to eat that shit when I was in the Cotswalds. I can’t remember if I tasted it or not, just how nasty it looked.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Cooked blood wrapped in intestines I believe.
I must admit, I have not tried it myself, but I have a feeling its very strong tasting. Imagine liver x 10. I could be way off here, but I’m fine with never knowing for sure.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
If fox news is any indication on how this is gonna go
U can expect bullshit commentating.
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Aug 18, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
Just stfu already
This is not fox news, and if you are so against fox don’t watch, go with the other libtards and watch msnbc all day.
Jesus was a liberal!
:) Doesn’t matter either way, FOX does not equal FoxNews. Two different animals with different goals.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
exactly
all these fox news comments the past couple days are so irrelevant, no ufc programming is going to be on FNC
Maybe FBN though, UFCs making some serious dollars now
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Jesus Was No Politician
The Pharisees tried to sucker Him into playing politics and He had no part of it. Don’t repeat useless garbage you hear.
by G Squat on Aug 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a politician, NO, a liberal yes.
He was big on Women’s rights, anti-war, free health care, tax refunds, prisoner rehabilitation, free school lunches, and every conservative’s worst nightmare-Giving to the poor! He even said, “If any man has two cloaks, let him give to the one who has none.” What is it the right-wing-fear-mongers call that?…oh yeah, “redistribution of weatlh”. LOL Come to think of it, Jesus wasn’t just a liberal, he was a Socialist! Shove that up yer religious right!
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
He also told parables about those who waste their money through in-action by not investing it.
Sounds pretty republican to me.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that parable wasn't about money, Bro
there’s this little thing called “symbolism” that sorta makes a parable a parable.
That story was about using whatever gifts God has given you for the building of His kingdom rather than hiding them or using them for your own benefit. It was about making the most of your talents and gifts and resources for God’s purposes, about being a good Steward of what He has entrusted you with.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Except to Be a Modern Day Liberal...
You really have to be opposed to Christianity. By your standards, if all those things are what make a liberal, then even moreso pro-abortion and gay marriage are necessary traits. We know God’s stance on these things. Listen. I’m not saying Jesus was one or the other. Or even more like one or the other. The only thing he was “like” was God, because he was God in the flesh. I’m a Christian. I give, I’m kind to others, I’m for the rights of others, and I acknowledge my sin. But I play no part in politics. As a Christian, such things are a waste of time. I do not vote, and I do not complain or even opinionate myself with the results. I believe just as much as Jesus said, “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven”, so it is for a modern politician to do the same.
you're defining "liberal" too narrowly
99% of the American Black vote goes Democrat. But all the surveys show that the overwhelming majority of Black Americans 90+% are against gay marriage.
The basic philosophical difference between a liberal and a conservative is that Liberals seek social change (which they call “progress”) while Conservatives are those who favor “conserving” the status quo (or getting back to the status quo of what they percieve as “the good ole days”) While many who claim to follow Jesus are Conservatives because they think American used to be more Christian and needs to get back to those ways, Jesus himself, in the context he was in, was most certainly a Liberal, an advocate for radical social change. All of the prophets were too.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
you are 100% right about Jesus not being political
but you don’t necessarily have to be political to be called liberal or conservative. Those terms can apply to a wide variety of contexts: law, politics, academics, economics, theology
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
just keep it in mind and don't get sucked into the fear-mongering
Conservative radio hosts and sadly even some pastors and Christian “leaders” use the word “liberal” like it’s some kind of mythical creature that wants to eat your children. But using it to describe a very narrow set of particular political agendas is only one meaning, and a recent and misleading usage of the term. Jesus was a liberal and all the founding fathers of this country, by merely opposing the Crown, were liberals. Even Mohammad was a liberal in his time.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I was only kidding about the republican thing.
Have you not figured me out yet?
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 20, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I don't waste time "figuring out" who's who around here.
I don’t keep track of who says what.
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
I'm nobody but me. I'm just saying I was only joking cause that's what I do.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 21, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
nothing I dont think
Im interested to see what they’re going to do with the ESPN deal
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN are doing a terrible job IMO. Setanta did way better back in the day.
I’m not complaining because it’s free but if they want this sport to grow over here they need to find another channel for us.
by danago on Aug 18, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Imagine if Sky Sports coveted MMA like they do Football?
by danago on Aug 18, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yehh definitely
Setanta was a lot better I think too.
I dont really understand why ESPN dont push for it more, MMA has to be the biggest growing sport that isn’t covered over here hardly, they need to get covering Bellator, Shark fights, Strikeforce etc etc
Thats what I want to see in the future anyway
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
lwts go back to Bravo
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Hasnt Bravo completely gone now? aha
BAMMA is on Syfy FFS! which is a sci fi channel i think haha
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
remember bravo ughhh!!!!!!!
5 fights in 3hrs with a break after every round,on a sunday night as well it was terrible
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
hahaha man
I remember it well, shocking I cant stand ad breaks in between films let alone fights on tv!
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha we've had some shocking coverage in the past
ESPN have dropped the ball lately, it’s an absolute joke that they didn’t even bother to air the last VS show and they didn’t show the prelims for 133 either. I’d much prefer to see the UFC on Sky Sports and the sooner they get rid of that fixed pile of shit Ultimate Challenge the better for the British scene.
Unfortunately I don’t think we’re a priority as a foreign market for the UFC anymore, their annual shows over here have been half arsed for a while and they’ve allowed standards to slip on their coverage over here, something which they’d never allow to happen in the US or Canada.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
wouldnt know dude
dont live there :P
But what were saying is ESPN is the only channel we get any MMA on thats the only choice
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
Twitter: www.twitter.com/Adam__langford
by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m happy and sad about this. Great for the UFC to finally get a network deal. Majority of the programming though will be on FX, a channel thats on the package right above the one I have now. However, every month we get a few “free preview” channels and FX seems to be on about every other month. I’m not sure how programming will do on Fuel, does anyone know the numbers for how many people subscribe to the that channel? Yes, i’m too lazy too look it up for myself.
But either way, the top mma org is now going to be on a network channel :)
So the bulk of the 32 (or however many)
of the live fights are going to TUF fights?
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Yeah. There will be 6 big primetime cards, 4 fight night type cards on FX, the rest of the live cards are all TUF.
So technically nothing changes in the amount of broadcasted free shows, it’s just they are not on VS/Spike, instead on Fox.
A Lannister always pays his debts.
True but I expect the Fox live shows to be far bigger cards than the past VS and Spike specials
They’re finally on a proper network now and they’re going to want to put the best possible fights with the biggest names on these shows. Quantity may not have increased (unless you count live TUF now that they’re proper professional fights) but I expect the quality of cards and production to improve dramatically.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Foxsports.com
A little surprising that there is no mention of any of this on their website, there isn’t even a mma tab, you’d figure they’d have their shit together and be instantly promoting it, guess not.
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was referring to the mobile site
Just checked the main site and there is now a UFC tab, sweet!
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Foxsports.com now has a whole page called BEST OF ARIANNY CELESTE!
Way to dive into it, Fox!
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I'm just glad
I dont have to watch Spike anymore, except for that DEA show. Kick ass stuff.
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One step closer to making this sport mainstream
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
nov 12???
pacquaio’s fighting that night, ufc just fucked up
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
+1
And sorry Dana it will never be the biggest sport in the world
by wooly shambler on Aug 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i really dont know why they try to compete with boxing's two biggest stars
they could get away with it with all other guys in boxing, but going up against may and pac, they will lose every time, we have battle at the bayou vs mayweather, and now this nov 12 event vs pacquiao, aug 27th on the other hand, ufc wins, ill record maidana vs guerrero, and watch ufc rio live, i just think its a bad move to kick off against pac man
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
UFC wins, Boxing loses. Its been that way for a while now. Sorry
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
this isnt boxing, its pacquiao
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
No difference
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
?
when has the ufc competed against a big fight and won?
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Each and every PPV boxing doesnt get is a win for the UFC
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
they might lose a fight or two to boxing
but they for sure a winning the battle
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Not when they get crushed in the head to head
The PPVs and free events that have gone head to head with Mayweather and Pacman have done awful numbers. If anything more MMA fans have skipped the UFC show and watched the boxing.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
the only card that can damage something like this for ufc
Is pac vs mayweather thats it
NICK DIAZ.... champ 2011
by 209stk on Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dunno man
Just Pac fighting or just Mayweather fighting has been doing the trick as of late. They the best boxing has right now. They aging though and IMO except for Ward boxings future looks dark…until Toney fights of course
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Lol at Toney
And Ward will never be the draw that Mayweather or Pacman are, he’s not in as popular a weight class, has already cleaned out his division (other than Froch who he’s fighting next) and his fights aren’t that great too watch (too many headbutts for my liking).
Don’t forget though that boxing is far bigger in Europe than MMA or kickboxing, the Klitschkos are massive draws in Germany and Eastern Europe no matter who they fight, Kessler’s big in Scandinavia and the likes of Haye and Khan are household names over here (Haye’s last 2 fights both did over 1 million buys) while Cleverly is a future star and Froch is finally getting the credit he deserves. Boxing’s also huge in Central America and Asia, which are markets that the UFC have barely scratched the surface of (Japan aside and MMA has been in freefall since Pride went bust). Just because the American scene (WW and Andre Ward aside) has been in decline doesn’t mean that the sport of boxing is in trouble.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
most big boxing matches kill ufc(this is from blh)
Date Fight PPV Buys (Approx.)
2007-12-08 Mayweather vs Hatton 850K
2008-12-06 Pacquiao vs de la Hoya 1.25M
2009-05-02 Pacquiao vs Hatton 850K
2009-09-19 Mayweather vs Marquez 1M
2009-11-14 Pacquiao vs Cotto 1.25M
2010-03-13 Pacquiao vs Clottey 700K
2010-05-01 Mayweather vs Mosley 1.4M
2010-11-13 Pacquiao vs Margarito 1.15M
2011-05-07 Pacquiao vs Mosley 1.3M
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
single event to single event, yeah for sure
but overrall, comparing year over year for boxing to UFC, UFC wins and continues to widen the gap.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Now list the numbers for all of boxings other PPV’s
Then we will see where the two sports compare
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
dont't know that stuff
you know what?? im just gonna watch it all and help both out
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
Thats better. Dont spew those numbers without telling the whole story. Good idea just watch both.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There aren't many PPV boxing matches anymore. Most of the high profile matches are on HBO or Showtime which are premium but not Pay-Per-View whereas the UFC has almost all of their cards on PPV.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 18, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way
boxing has kicked ufc ass this year in fights imo, what do you think??
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
Not even close
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
a resounding no lol
Mauro: "Theres a left by Jackson…. or make that Randleman, sorry!"
Rampage: "Thats alright, all black folks look alike."
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by Rampagelangford on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
in fights ? yeah right
What have u been smoking
NICK DIAZ.... champ 2011
by 209stk on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-10
Nobody wants to watch that shit when ufc is goin to have a stackd card for free on a major network ufc ftw son fuk boxing
NICK DIAZ.... champ 2011
by 209stk on Aug 18, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gotta agree on that, if they put fan friendly fighters, Leben, Stann, Shogun, Jones
and the more exposure the mainstream public gets of those types of fights, the more they gonna come over
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
they are all fighting or wont be ready
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
sorry though you meant for nov 12
i agree ive already stated several times that boxing is dying and,not that its been mmas doing,they are in the right place to capitalise.I just feel that taking on pac is big and i cant see a big enough main event he can put together to compete.But Dana is a sneaky barstard!!!!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
the main difference is Free versus PPV
I have showtime and as such can definitely see the Free Live UFC and wait a week to see the Pacman fight
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
damn dog, you got SPM on your tag? Thats the bidness right there
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
that boy LOS use to put it down
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
Lol. You are crazy bud
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
A free night of fights on network tv or shell out 60 bucks for a top heavy card with one interesting fight, even if it is a trilogy fight. I think a lot of casual fans would choose the former not the latter, and fox will be promoting the shite out of this on primetime tv and weekend sporting events like the MLB and NFL, I don’t think the UFC or fox is concerned about manny IMO
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who do you honestly think will get higher numbers???
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
I don't know antone
We’re talking a PPV vs. a FREE event on live network TV with the FOX marketing behind it, it would be hard to compare buys vs. views. Do I think the Pacman PPV will be huge, absolutely, but it’s hard to judge what kind of numbers the UFC will get with the influx of casual fans they will get. I’m not saying it will beat Pacman but I think it’s going to do a shiteload better than what others are saying here.
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
no shit, thankfully Rupert made the beast self sustaining cuz he going down soon
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
I caught that too
Pre and post-fight shows for all the pay-per-views on Friday nights.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Nov 12
is a Saturday……?
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by Dirty_Sanchez on Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yessir, what we alluded to
was the fact they its saying they’re going to have, post-fight shows for all the pay-per-views on Friday nights.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Ahh, I see.
Mr. Holland must have meant Saturday.
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2. Learn to surf
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by Dirty_Sanchez on Aug 18, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Son of a bitch!
My wife’s due date is NOVEMBER 12!!
Gonna have to talk to the doc and see if we can do this early or keep it in a little longer. I’ll find some way to watch this live
Well it is my second kid
and it’s another girl, so maybe I can get a pass since I was there last time. it’s not like i was in the room when it happened, who wants to see that shit?
I can give moral support from home, right?
man i was there for both
but stayed away from the business end! ;)
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
mine had a c-section
I was not about to see my wife’s stomach cut open and a living thing come out of it. I would think of that scene in Alien every time I saw her stomach from then on.
oh wow thats different
i think id be in outpatient giving her support on a walki-talkie
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
my wife had a c-section also, I was in the room during
and she was pissed at me for not wanting to look over the curtain and describe what they were doing. I was trying my best to remain calm while they removed her intestines. Its pretty rowdy
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
c-section ain't no joke
I understand why the old schoolers would chill in the waiting room smoking cigars and shooting the shit. That shit is a major operation
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
first time I read it like this btw, LOL
Well it is my second kid… it’s not like i was in the room when it happened
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
sport annoucers
I hope they don’t use fox sport announcers instead of Rogan and Goldberg ..
These guys know there stuff and their sound and enthusiasm synonymous is to UFC!
Anyone else get the irony
That FoxNews, specifially Bill O’Reilly, have been some of the biggest detractors of the UFC and MMA, and now they are joined at the hip hahaha I fully expect Dana to be back on the O’Reilly factor with Bill’s lips firmly pressed against Dana’s arse lol
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FOX does not equal Fox News, after different targets
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
these idiots just don't get it
they’ve been brain washed to think anything withe word fox in it is fnc. shows just how stupid and gullible they are. Believe whatever they hear instead of researching on their own
funniest part is that THEY probably get their news from Fox News
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
I know th
Still funny to me, all I know is if you go to the main FOX website they have a link to FoxNews, they aren’t as separate as you think.
All I’m saying is that I doubt you hear the same amout of venom towards the sport that you’re accustomed to now that there is an association, however small it is.
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You claim there is a lot of venom on FNC about MMA
Do you watch it or are you just assuming? You do know that democrats have blocked the ufc in New York, right? The republicans in the NY senate passed it, more than once. It’s not as black & white as you make it out to be.
I do sometimes
I don’t watch the channels a lot though, mostly cruise through the websites.
I lean conservative on most issues, I’m not trying to make it a Dem vs Rep debate at all I know MMA has had a lot of speedbumps on both sides, and maybe it was wrong of me to lump all of FoxNews in with Bill O’Reilly, but this interview has always stuck with me and pisses me off. You’re right it was probably wrong of me to make a blanket statement like that.
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKxxRsfpQs
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
what is the fx and the fuel channels? I dont think ive ever herd of them
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FX shows Always Sunny In Philadelphia but Ive neve fucked with Fuel
hopefully Fuels in HD, FX is
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
FX
Channel 248 Directv
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
FX
FX is where Fox put it’s shows that actually have some substance and imagination, instead of the garbage that’s on their main network.
Some part/current shows on the network
Sons of Anarchy
Justified
Louie
Wilfred
The Shield
Nip/Tuck
It’s Sunny in Philadelphia
Rescue Me
Archer
The League
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Love
Wilfred…absolutely strange and hilarious…
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Aug 18, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the Austrailian version
So dark and twisted, the new American version is a little tamer in my opinion.
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I have noticed the disclaimer at the beginning that says it was taken from or based upon (Couldn’t remember which country’s version)
Where can one view the Austrailian one?
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Aug 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go brother
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110726170446AABgFnq
Never say I never did anything for ya!
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by TillaDaDrilla on Aug 18, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
great news but prelims on fuel with no HD
not so great. I hope fuel tv gets an HD signal if not then the live prelims should be on fx, other than that its all good.
by biggant on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh yeah, the UFC is for sure going to be the biggest sport in the world.
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Fedor "The Can Crusher" Emeilianko IS NOT THE BEST HW EVER , in fact he sucks! he has the most padded record in the history of any combat sport, scratch that in the history of any sport. He has not changed as a fighter , he is still just as good as he was then, only difference is he isn’t fighting freaks and nobodies, I , along with many others have been duped into believing he is great, when clearly he is NOT! -I hate you the Dragon...one day
Josh Koscheck will never again have to worry about getting his eye kneed, poked or punched......................well, that is, until his eye grows back....then I guess he will have to worry. But until then!
try here
Says it is as real as it gets…good luck!
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Aug 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure i dont have ether channel
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In tacoma wa no fuel tv :(
Unless I just cant find it, I went to the website and it said its not offered in my area. LAME. Is this common? I would think they would want there prelims to be at least as widely distributed as it was with spike. Its not like Washington is the remote ice regions of Alaska.
http://www.fuel.tv/getfueltv
If your wondering if you have it.
The countdown begins...
Lets see how long it takes for Zuffa and Fox to butt heads.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Fixed
Lets see how long it takes for Zuffa Dana and Fox to butt heads.
In all seriousness I think this partnership will work out…Dana seemed like he got his dream today and looked and sounded stoked…
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Aug 18, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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