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Win, lose or draw, Wanderlei Silva is one of the all-time greats

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Watching a barely conscious Wanderlei Silva trying to grapple with Josh Rosenthal, my heart sank.

I had this twisted feeling in my stomach. It was a mixture of anger, disappointment, pity, and sadness.

And to be honest, I've been having that feeling a lot the past five years.

Last night at UFC 132: "Cruz vs. Faber," two knockout artists in Chris Leben and Silva stepped inside the Octagon in a fight that basically promised early fireworks this Fourth of July weekend.

And fireworks there were. A brutal first minute knockout ended the fight nearly as quickly as it began and when the dust settled, it seemed that the sun had set on a mixed martial arts (MMA) legend.

I'm not here to say "The Axe Murderer" should hang up his gloves or convince anyone that he's still got some fight left in him. But if this is the end to a storied career, I just want to take some time to reflect.

Here goes.

Star-divide

The first time I saw Wanderlei Silva, he was getting blasted by a machine gun-like Vitor Belfort. From one side of the cage to the other, "The Axe Murderer" ate shot after shot before the referee stepped in.

Obviously, it wasn't the best first impression.

But in the following years, the madman from Curitiba went on a tear that included only dropping one bout in five years. 

He became one of the legendary fighters from Pride Fighting Championships alongside the likes of Fedor Emelianenko, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and Kazushi Sakuraba.

These men and others -- along with the promotion itself -- seemed larger than life. Fighting in giant arenas filled with tens of thousands of cheering fans, it seemed almost as if the experiences weren't real. Like we were watching some absurdly violent Japanese version of Days of our Lives.

Silva's trilogy with Sakuraba made him a star and his pair of knockouts over Quinton Jackson turned "The Axe Murderer" into a legend.

When a fourth bout with the Japanese grappler for the company's New Year's Eve show in 2004 fell apart, the Brazilian accepted a last-minute fight with super heavyweight Mark Hunt.

It would be his first loss since April 2000.

I remember, sitting in shock, that Silva had lost. Silva... never lost. Every time I saw him step into the ring, his hand was raised by the referee. It was a weird feeling to say the least.

But lately, I've grown more and more accustomed to it.

It started when Silva got knocked out by Mirko Filipovic, a victim of one of "Cro Cop's" patented left high kicks. It continued five months later when the Brazilian again lost consciousness, this time at the hands of Dan Henderson.

The luster was beginning to fade, fight by fight and loss by loss.

Despite this, "The Axe Murderer" engaged in a 15-minute war with longtime rival Chuck Liddell.

From my History in the Making:

In the most anticipated match-up in mixed martial arts short history, Chuck Liddell faced off against Wanderlei Silva at UFC 79. Years of debate, years of hype, years of what if's would all come to an end.

After year heaped upon year heaped on year, how could any fight live up to the hype?

The cynic in every fan feared the worse. A quick, flash knockout or a plodding three-round affair with neither fighter wishing to engage.

What fight fans got instead will forever be etched in their memory.

The fight was... perfect.

And even though "The Axe Murderer" extended his losing streak to three that night, he seemed revitalized. And when he entered the Octagon five months later to face Keith Jardine, fans were treated to a classic Silva performance: brutal and quick, chock full of violence.

But any hope that the personified reign of terror that ran roughshod over Japan for five years was back was extinguished by a "Rampage" hook.

Five fights, four losses, and three awful knockouts.

Combat sports doesn't usually have happy endings. Fighters don't go out when they're on top. They're forced out by the fists, elbows, and knees of another opponent. They don't walk away with full knowledge that they are the best in the world, they leave -- sometimes with the help of others -- with bruises on their bodies and egos.

Despite knowing this, we kidded ourselves with Silva. We were so enamored of him -- his beautifully, violent style and the "favorite uncle" relationship he had with fans -- that we ignored history.

Which brings us to UFC 132. The reality of the situation has muscled its way to the forefront, leaving our hopes behind.

So if this is the end for "The Axe Murderer," I just want to say thank you.

Thank you for Guy Mezger, for Sakuraba, for "Rampage," for Yuki Kondo, for Hidehiko Yoshida.

Thank you for everything.

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It may be time for him to step down.

He was setting up a lame twitter feud thing with Sonnen? Sonnen would have killed him after seeing what Leben so easily did to him.

Wanderlei is indeed a legend, but it’s time man.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Jul 3, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed it is.

It is tough because he is so young and probably doesn’t want to think about retirement at all. However, he is a legend and he has been shut off way too many times. His name and legacy should bring plenty of business to his gym. It is definitely time to step down before he gets to the point of no return brain damage wise.

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by D_Smith on Jul 3, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i say wand vs vitor on ufc brazil vitor is ready

wand is still fully trained n conditiond i think his fight was only like 30 secs

MMA
hw-velasquez,gonzaga,yvel,overeem,buentello
lhw-rua,bones jones,mr.wonderfull davis
mw-belfort,palhares,cung le,big dog almeida
ww-alves,rumble johnson,diaz bros,daley,sanchez
lw-melendez,g-sot,aoki,pettis,huerta,alvarez,guillard,tibau
fw-garcia,aldo,torres,benavidez

K-1
Badr hari
gokan saki
remy bonjaski
tyrone spong
alistair overeem
ernesto hoost
andy hug

by infinite on Jul 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah bruh...they won't rematch without it being a main event fight..or at least a co main event..

…a UFC on Versus headliner would be dope but that’s not happening because Wandy just got flooooored!

by Starr788 on Jul 4, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vitor is done

Without the options that were open to him in his hey day, Vitor isn’t going to achieve much of anything. The last pre-fight videos of Vitor that I saw showed him when he was 19-20 years old, and displaying an obvious case of gyno.

He has skills, no doubt, but without the power and speed he possessed in his youth, he can’t hang with the upper echelon fighters of today.

by The real Philo on Jul 4, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

vitor will demolish any mw not named andy silver

MMA
hw-velasquez,gonzaga,yvel,overeem,buentello
lhw-rua,bones jones,mr.wonderfull davis
mw-belfort,palhares,cung le,big dog almeida
ww-alves,rumble johnson,diaz bros,daley,sanchez
lw-melendez,g-sot,aoki,pettis,huerta,alvarez,guillard,tibau
fw-garcia,aldo,torres,benavidez

K-1
Badr hari
gokan saki
remy bonjaski
tyrone spong
alistair overeem
ernesto hoost
andy hug

by infinite on Jul 4, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

vitor won a bronze medal in adcc submission wrestling championchips

only guy that wrestled vitor around wuz hendo n vitor wuz commin of a knee surgery we saw wut that will do to a fighter(shogun)vitor is a carlson gracie blackbelt he and big nog recieved there blackbelts from the same guy exept big nog use his jits on offence and vitor uses it deffensively kinda like chuck aznd his wrestling note that vitor is one of the only guys to take chuck down in his prime

MMA
hw-velasquez,gonzaga,yvel,overeem,buentello
lhw-rua,bones jones,mr.wonderfull davis
mw-belfort,palhares,cung le,big dog almeida
ww-alves,rumble johnson,diaz bros,daley,sanchez
lw-melendez,g-sot,aoki,pettis,huerta,alvarez,guillard,tibau
fw-garcia,aldo,torres,benavidez

K-1
Badr hari
gokan saki
remy bonjaski
tyrone spong
alistair overeem
ernesto hoost
andy hug

by infinite on Jul 4, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

All those accolades are nothing

If we don’t see him use it in the cage. When did we see Vitor take the fight to the ground and actually submit an opponent.

He has the utmost belief in his hand speed and forgot his other strengths.

Watch his fight with Sakuraba and be disgusted.

Professional sig bet record: 3-2-1

by Phasebook on Jul 5, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vitor is done?

Nahhhhh. Not what he used to be, but not done.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that he would have done the exact same moves as Leben.

Clearly, he has a different style. But Sonnen > Leben. A lot > Leben. Sonnen would have killed Silva.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Jul 3, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killed on the scorecards only.

Me gusta me reggae, me gusta punk rock, pero la cosa que me gusta mas es panochita.

by Wicky Wicky Scratch on Jul 3, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young is all relative to a guy's fight style and when he became a fighter...

Also…on how his fights have ended up. A guy like GSP – who plays it safe, rarely gets damage, and wrestles to victory..can fight for years with his style.

Wand was a professional fighter in his teens…did bare knuckle brawls….was in some wars in which he’s taken a bunch of damage.

WAR WAND! But, its time to hang em up!

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by TABASCOsauce on Jul 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHA

didn’t do it on purpose….even other UFC fighters say old george plays it safe….I’m admittedly a BJ Penn fan. I give GSP his due though. But you gotta admit…..GSP’s ‘safe style’ could have him fight for a long time…

Seattle - Washington - USA - Marcelo Alonso BJJ - Team Carlson Gracie - www.mabjj.com - Ossss!

by TABASCOsauce on Jul 4, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck, I'd be fighting safe too.

I would like to have brain function when I get old.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wanderlei better sew his old face back on

Because the new one ain’t gettin the job done

by day1er on Jul 3, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The Axe Murderer from Pride

May have had some help. I loved the Wanderlei during the Pride days. The guy seemed like a sociopathic animal. Check his physique from those days, and look at the expression on his face just before a fight started. It was pure aggression. He looked like he wanted to end the existence of his opponent.

I haven’t seen any of that from him since he came to the UFC. He looks like a totally diff. person. He may be. I suspect that his hormone level has diminished one way or the other. Either due to age, or perhaps by necessity. The same goes for Vitor Belfort. Compare Vitor’s appearance in the early days of the UFC to what he is now. He doesn’t even resemble the same person.

by The real Philo on Jul 4, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can say it.

He was most likely juicing.

Pride didn’t give a fuck.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

simply put...the man is a LEGEND!

That problem is the same with great competitors in any sport…the belief in themselves is so strong bcuz of past achievments that they won’t quit until they have that belief knocked out of them…and his age is almost neglible in comparisons with other fighter bcuz Wand has been a pro fighter since roughly 15-16 yrs old! He said he had his father driving him to his first couple of fights! What other fighter you know could’ve potentially had a pro fight canceled bcuz he was grounded and sent to his room? Stuff of LEGENDS! http://ironforgesiron.com/2011/06/video-wanderlei-silva-teh-early-years/

"Fuck Ceasar Gracie, and fuck the fuckin' Diaz brothers! Fuck'em all! I bury those cock-a-roaches!"-Rory MacDonald

by Fat Daddy Doobs on Jul 3, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1 daddy-o.

he had his rise, took advantage of the time he spent as the #1 guy, and is having his fall. none of these fighters are invincible. once a guy gets ko’d, goes out, and reboots not knowing that the ref isn’t his opponent, his brain has been traumatized / concussed. next thing you know he starts getting ko’d more often and by strikes that he used to shake off. this kind of trauma is not the same kind of trauma as a bad car accident. this happens little by little and the guy ends up being far worse than the individual who had the car accident. The man in the car accident was traumatized, sent to the hospital, and begins to rehab. But that’s not how it works for Wandy, Chuck, Jens, and all the rest that have gone down that road. They are not aware of what is happening to their brain. the damage is irreversible. the neurons in their brain, which travel around like a train, become slowly further and further apart. the chemicals that are released at the back of a neuron and caught by the front of the neuron behind it suddenly don’t make the leap and are lost, resulting in a loss of consciousness. just like the trailer hitches on a train- if the metal heats up and expands, the hitch fails and the front part of the train keep on going while all of the cars behind that broken hitch come to a stop.

Think not of where you are from as we all are from our father's penis.
-Ghandi

by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 4, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow ABB

Aside from a thriving entrepreneur and porn addict, I didn’t know that you’re a physicist?

Professional sig bet record: 3-2-1

by Phasebook on Jul 4, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.

you guys conned me into using intelligence. i gotta go find someone to troll not. see ya Phase.

Think not of where you are from as we all are from our father's penis.
-Ghandi

by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 4, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

*troll NOW

Think not of where you are from as we all are from our father's penis.
-Ghandi

by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 4, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyway, not to ramble,

but my point is that a true friend, coach, or training partner should try and help the guy out by telling him that he should stop before it gets worse. these guys need to help Wandy and protect him from himself. easy to say but hard as hell to do. he’s obsessed with trying to be what he once was, and that’s what made him who he is. hanging in there and trying to earn another win is a loss. the cost to benefit ratio is not good, and if he does get another win (as jens pulver did), that makes it worse. now he will fight again and have to be ko’d 2 more times before he revisits thinking about his retirement.

Think not of where you are from as we all are from our father's penis.
-Ghandi

by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 4, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

part of me was thinking that wanderlie would implement a game plan that would carch leben pff guard

Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part but no one would have expected silva to put leben on his ass and work some vicous elbows. And maybe even work for a sub especially when i saw werdum in his cornwr i really would have liked to see him have a smaTer plan.

I also hoped the same thing with liddel in his last three bouts but it never happened

I wish the old dogs would try and learn some new tricks

by dia mette on Jul 3, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wandy is a legend but has been on the downhill for years.

 He was badly outclassed standing up by Ricardo Arona over 5 years ago, nuff said.

by GenkiSudosRobot on Jul 4, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions  

And Chuck got demolished by Rampage...

before he even went on his tear as the LHW king. He must have been on the decline way before we thought.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, if you cant see that your favorite fighter is done for before it because obvious.

I have no sympathy for you when your heart is broken. Wandy Silva, both Nogs, Hughes, possibly Rua, maybe Carwin, Penn is getting close, Rampage is on his final stretch, Tito still. They are all either done, or been passed up so much that they don’t have much left to offer. Accept it.

by jestermarcus on Jul 4, 2011 1:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hate Seeing this

Wanderlei does it to himself for all of us fans! He can still fight if he starts thinking. He said I am faster than Leben… Leben said Wand is faster than me but all I need is one… So why not just go stand in front of him swinging instead of stick and move for awhile???? Because that’s what we wanted to see…. War Wand!

Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...

by Jido7 on Jul 4, 2011 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

When have you ever seen Wanderlei stick and move?

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He played a safer fight with Bisping

He won that, then goes to a slugfest and threw caution to the wind, dammit Wand haha.

Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...

by Jido7 on Jul 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had no choice with Bisping.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Jul 4, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either Way

I don’t see him getting cut right now with the UFC Japan in Feb. They’ll give him a win or hang it up fight against a japanese opponent. Possibly Akiyama when he loses to Belfort?

Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...

by Jido7 on Jul 5, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wanderlei should fight The loser of Belfort vs. Akiyama

He has a beef with both of them anyways. Wandy got caught last night. That’s it.

Thiago Silva is a political prisoner!!!

by Jared DeMarino on Jul 4, 2011 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s 2-6 in his last 8. Four of those losses being KO.

Hes done.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Jul 4, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Word.

And both Belfort and Akiyama would put his ass to sleep. Quick.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

heart breaker :/

just got back from vegas…i waited and waited and waited!!! and finally wand vs leben…and allll that waiting for 27 seconds! oh man was the last thing i expected ever! who the fuck is leben? wand is compared to chuck and tito and rampage and randy and top class fighters not leben and crap..broe my heart man it really did! i no wand has something left in him i no he does..at least 1 more fight…this guy was once the most feared man on the planet…fighters didnt want to hear his name or cross his path and look at all these people talking shit…it happens to everyone people! accept it…but i dont think hes done yet….he just got caught up a little early, yea hes not the same hes not young or as hungrey and he surely doesnt look the same, but hes got the same heart guys…he should have never got the surgery, the new tattoos, or dropped to 185…he really changed..

by Wanderlei Silva #1 Fan on Jul 4, 2011 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

No, he's done.

People really need to wake up. He’s just going to get some serious brain damage if he carries on, like Chuck he’s already had a few too many fights for his own good. If anyone makes reasonable contact with his chin he’ll be out.

"Matt Serra has unwittingly changed the face of MMA forever, with his KO of GSP he heralded the "Safe Win" era and all are starting to jump on that bandwagon. Good for them, bad for the majority of us brain-dead fans who don’t appreciate the intricacies of man laying on man action." - Jimrod 3/27/11 (Post Johnson/Hardy "Fight").

by Jimrod on Jul 4, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the main point is.

most fighters do make contact with clean shots and he runs right into them wide-open. not an intelligent style of fighting.

I am who i is.

by RoBerto. on Jul 4, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all...

switch the ellipsis and periods and you’ll be straight.

Second, Wanderlei can’t fight his style anymore, which means he will get KO’d by anyone with power.

"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift

by sgiblin on Jul 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

but many other times his opponent paid for it.

Think not of where you are from as we all are from our father's penis.
-Ghandi

by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 4, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would like to see Wandy go out with a win. He could beat a B level middle weight with no problem. Problem is with a win these guys want to fight again. I said right after the fight with Pat Barry that Cro Cop should retire but instead of seeing him go out with a win, the dude get’s KOed 2 more times.

by NateDogg77 on Jul 5, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

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