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By the numbers: The career statistics of Fedor Emelianenko

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Fedor Emelianenko may be "The Last Emperor," but he's first in a lot of mixed martial arts (MMA) statistical categories throughout his historic career at heavyweight.

Despite recent losses to Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva and Fabricio "Vai Cavalo" Werdum, he is still widely regarded as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Rightfully so.

The former PRIDE heavyweight champion looks to further cement his legacy this Saturday night (July 30) under the Strikeforce banner by taking on fellow combat sports legend Dan Henderson, the only man to simultaneously hold two titles in a major MMA promotion.

Let's take a look at Fedor's legendary career by the numbers.

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1. Fedor has held five MMA championships

2. Fedor holds the best win streak in all MMA at 26

3. Fedor has never been knocked down by any type of strike

4. Fedor has a finishing percentage of 79%

5. Only one fighter has ever stopped Fedor in a fight. The other two were stoppages by doctors

6. Fedor has defeated five different heavyweight champions, seven times

7. Fedor has 70 total takedowns

8. Fedor has secured 22 victories in the first round

9. Fedor has 12 wins under two minutes

10. And four wins under one minute

11. Fedor has only lost to guys that are top 10 and had a total of 70-pounds (combined) over him.

12. 18 of Fedor’s opponents were ranked in the top 10 or higher.

13. Fedor is the only heavyweight to beat a true number one and then defend that position against the true number two. Cain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos will become the second pair of heavyweights to ever accomplish such feat.

14. Has longest time going undefeated out of anyone active in mixed martial arts at 10 years.

15. Ranked number one in his division and pound-for-pound longest time out of anyone in MMA at seven years. He is the most elusive, least-hit fighter of all time over the length of his career. Only young Lyoto Machida comes close. He is also one of the most skilled judokas in the world in addition to the most decorated combat sambo fighter in history.

Well Maniacs, what's your take on these ungodly numbers? Do you think Fedor Emelianenko is one of the greatest fighters of all time?

Why or why not?

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16. anyone who doesnt recognise this is a retard!

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by scott1 on Jul 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

17. what scott said

Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day.
Circa Regna Tonat

by sir.tickleberry on Jul 28, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

18. what tickle said

Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
His 20$ against my 2 weeks sig on Fedor to finish Hendo against kg12.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
20$ on Fedor to win against Henderson against Burlzilla129 (to be paid by end of the Monday following fight night)
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by freenow82 on Jul 29, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 different champions , 7 different times how many of those champions were champions at the time of the fight and not years before hand? and another thing please tell me this “wamma” belt isn’t included in the 5 championships , which brings up another question werdum beat fedor , then overeem beat werdum , can we now call the reem the WAMMA champion????

by TheDragon on Jul 29, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and another thing

rankings come out and everyone cries BS that they aren’t right and bla bla bla then it’s turned around and used in the defense of fedor?? 18 top ten guys …..i don’t think so …. when i asked for a list of 15 top guys MMAmanias own GENO said that’s ridiculous to ask for that many top guys off anyones record so if he has fought 18 top ten or higher ranked HW’s why is asking for 15 names so ridiculous???

by TheDragon on Jul 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gave you 12 names.

and you still scoffed and couldn’t name another fighter that even came close when you were prompted.

While it is fantstic that you think Fedor is only average. Please use actual facts and data to prove there is another heavyweight whose achievements even come close to Fedor’s. Hell you can only use Spider and GSP to compare to Fedor as the greatest fighter of all-time.

Otherwise, shut the hell up with you fact-less hate.

"Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers." – Ron Paul

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 29, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

you gave 10 names

cuz nog was on there 3 times and one of those was a NC
and as far as HW accomplishments and fighting in bigger fights Randy couture has done more as a HW , yeah he don’t have 31 wins 28 of them coming against complete freaks and or has beens and by come close what exactly do you want? someone who has beat 4 or 5 legit HWs and fought nobodies the rest of their career? please tell me here is facts for you fedor has fought more freakshows, nobodies , MW/LHWs, and has beens than he has fought actually legitimate HW fighters don’t believe me look at his record , i’m sure google will give you a complete list of the CANS he’s fought

by TheDragon on Jul 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope for your sake you are trolling kid, really do.

by danago on Jul 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please name Randy Couture's legit wins at HW...

then rethink your position.

"Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers." – Ron Paul

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woah there buddy

I think Fedor is probably the best HW there’s been so far, but there’s no need to talk down Randy.

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

uhhh

we are comparing Fedor and Couture. If “rethink your position” is talking down about Randy, you have not been around here long enough to know:

a) you won’t last long here if you think that is talking down
b) Fedor vs. Randy is not an argument worth having unless you are on the Fedor end, ie winning end.
c) I am the second biggest Captain Paycheck hater on this board. I recognize that he has some good wins, but even blind squirrels find nuts in a nut factory.

"Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers." – Ron Paul

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not trying to compete for NNR's

“#1 hater crown”, huh? Probably a smart move, his fervor is tough to beat.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't talk about Paychek in my sleep

I got a long way to go. Second place is the first winner in this case…;)

"Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers." – Ron Paul

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim, Gabriel

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahha

Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
His 20$ against my 2 weeks sig on Fedor to finish Hendo against kg12.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
20$ on Fedor to win against Henderson against Burlzilla129 (to be paid by end of the Monday following fight night)
20$ (next pool buyin) for last 3 events total of the pool against kg12

by freenow82 on Jul 29, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy's Legit Wins at HW

Vitor Belfort (standing UFC HW Tournament Champion at the time)
Maurice Smith (standing UFC HW Champion at the time)
Kevin Randleman (standing UFC HW Champion at the time)
Pedro Rizzo (twice)(consensus No1 contender both times)
Tim Sylvia (standing UFC HW Champion at the time)
Gabe Gonzaga (8-1 & fresh off a brutal destruction of the No1 contender at the time.)
 
If you don’t call those legit wins, I don’t know what would be? Its laughable how haters discredit guys for fighting the best of their own time, as if they should be expected to foresee the future and beat up Cain and Bones before they even hit puberty.

I think Fedor had some better competition in his prime than Randy did, but Fedor also had more mismatches, which is why he has a much better W/L record than Randy. No doubt in my mind Fedor would have beaten Randy at any stage of their respective careers, but you can’t discredit Randy’s fights. Of Randy’s 24 UFC fights, 16 were against other UFC Champs, 15 were either the standing champ, next champ, or consensus No 2 at the time. And from 97-07, he only fought one guy in the UFC who wasn’t ranked TOP 3.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Randy could have beaten up Bone's parents before THEY hit puberty
as if they should be expected to foresee the future and beat up Cain and Bones before they even hit puberty

Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?

by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pay attention to the argument next time

Randy’s legit wins versus Fedor’s legit wins.

Please compare and contrast those while believing the your boy has a legit claim to being the best HW of all time (which was the original argument).

Thanks for the diatribe though. I am not sure everyone knew how smart you are.

"Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers." – Ron Paul

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pay attention to whom you're arguing with next time.

The Dragon is an ignorant troll who usually talks out of his ass. He’s not worth your time.

Fedor is the greatest HW of all time, hands down. Nobody else even comes close. But I hate it when people imply that Randy is overrated. Sometimes I’m not so much responding to a particular post as to a pervading atmosphere. And one of my pet peaves is all the noobs who say that because guys like Fedor & Randy didn’t fight Cain, Brock, or JDS, they can’t be called GOATs, and disparage their records if Cainand JDS have accomplished more.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 1, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best All Time HW no doubt

 The P4P though are not official and really have no meaning regardless. Fedor was the champion of Pride who the majority of MMA fans including myself believed the majority of the best HW’s were in Pride. The one fight I still want to see to this day is Barnett vs Fedor!!

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This:

However, having lost his last two fights to Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva (16-2-0) and Fabricio "Vai Cavalo" Werdum (14-4-1).

Followed immediately by this:

Fedor looks to further cement his legacy this Saturday

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by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

and since I have been following Drew over to BE recently

I would like to also point out that the first sentence, isn’t really a sentence.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to also point out that the first sentence, isn’t really a sentence.

Then I would like to point out that your sentence includes a superfluous comma.

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by Pootwich on Jul 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

touche

it was more of a joke than anything though, bud.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kid, I kid.

"I've been blessed with a big old ghetto booty." -- Shane Carwin

Fan of: Cole Miller, Amir Sadollah, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir

by Pootwich on Jul 28, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a Fedor fan

but, I cannot help but to notice that many of his top 10 opponents, were bumped into the top 10, right before they fought Fedor.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

This is true Fedors biggest knock since Pride has been he has handpicked his opponents or should I say M1

 Like really AA a top five? Look what Mir did to a better Big Country and look at the problems BC gave AA, if AA was really a top five that would make Mir as a top 3?

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

How can you call yourself a Fedor fan and bring that up?

I’m pretty sure Tim Silvia and Arlovsky are still considered top 10.

by kmdubya on Jul 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can be a fan and look through the lens of reality. Rogers ranking certainly went up.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puck as usual makes no sense.

AA finished BC Mir did not(Mir also looked like shit gassing after the first round). AA had the best win streak in the HW division at the time he fought Fedor and if not for Fedor being Fedor and AA not being in the UFC he easily would have been ranked #1. Rogers was top 10 for beating a top 5 fighter in AA. So no he did not magically go up he deserved his spot more then Carwin did.

As always take DAnas cock out your mouth.

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by Khaos_Warrior on Jul 28, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You love talking about Dana’s cock. It is seemingly all you do, bud.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khaos AA left the UFC not even a top 3 in the thin UFC division

 Couture, Sylvia, Mir and NOG were all ranked better before he left. you need to grow up and take down your Fedor poster beside your bed before you can start debating like a man. AA was never a top five …never ever. At his pinnacle he was debated as the best in the UFC for a short period but at that time Barnett, Fedor, NOG, CC were all ranked as the best….how AA fell to a top five was BS some believe just by winning five fights against maybe one top 10 fighter?? No look at Rogers who as zero ground game as a prime example of a overrated fighter as well. I told you guys his fight here in cananda vs a top 60 fighter was patheticand against any grappler he was toast and with AA who is also one diminsional even Rogers is better

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers ranking went up because he blasted AA. When the Fedor fight was announced he moved up 1 spot due to someone else losing.

C’mon Deuce, I thought I’d sufficiently debunked the mythical “Fedor bump”.

When relationships become a ledger, you're alone.

by Diceman on Jul 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because he got beat by three of the best and most rounded HW fighters today?

Great analysis Puck….

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he has NO ground game period!! Any MMA fighter in the top that is not out weighed by more than 50 pounds will have little problem taking him down and beating him choro

 The proof is in the pudding Barnett and Overeem had one of their easiest fights in a long time…..Rogers makes Yvel`s ground game look awsome….like I said Kimbo slice is a better MMA fighter than Rogers

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that makes you an idiot.

When relationships become a ledger, you're alone.

by Diceman on Jul 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you truly believe a dude working as a tire repair guy at Walmart was really the best they could give the #1 guy in the world? Really?

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

sams man, sams

and it was the best strikeforce could provide at the time. Werdum and big foot were already booked against eachother and barnett was busy shooting shit on his ass

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem was their champion

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was busy shooting shit in ass over at japan

and demolishing fools in a ring via knees

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the best you have?

He should have been fighting Overeem end of story.

And hey, Rogers lost to Fedor and then fought Overeem. Why not Fedor?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

why isn't jones fighting rashad?

it’s not like he got shit done to his hand?

sometimes it’s not up to the fighters, it’s up to what the promoter decides

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce didnt want Fedor and Overeem to fight and instead wanted Rogers to fight their champion coming off a loss?

Come on man, there was no injury preventing this. Fedor should have already fought Reem pre-GP and he didnt. Instead tried taking out Werdum and lost.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah whats up with that

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

FACT VHW

Rogers coming off a loss fought Overeem in May of 2010.

Just four weeks later Fedor fought Werdum in June of 2010.

You are telling me that there wasnt a way to make Fedor/Overeem work?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's ask coker

he didn’t force the fight for whatever reason, maybe m-1 was asking for too much or overeem didn’t really want the fight or maybe it was fedor but it’s not up to the fighters to build the car, the promoter is the one holding the contracts and pulling that shit together

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was all they could do to get Reem to defend the belt every other year.

You know Fedor came to SF to get that belt and M-1 wanted that belt so they could double their asking price AGAIN! They weren’t gonna turn down that fight. Reem was the one ducking legit comp. Funny how everyone disses Fedor for fighting sub-par but those same people seldom mention that Brett Rogers was the first TOP 20 HW Reem had fought in his whole career (except for his NC with Cro-Cop). Reem got his ass kicked every time he fought a TOP 20 LIGHTheavyweight. (Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog, Liddell), then coming off a loss he got a title shot against unranked Buentello, won the SF belt and didn’t defend it once in 4 years against Rogers coming off a loss. In other words, Overeem’s only title defense was against the very same “overhyped can” that Fedor haters constantly discredit. And now, Reem is bowing out of the tourney because he broke a nail. Fedor never ducked anybody. He’s always fought the best he could find outside of Zuffa.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem has been calling for the fight for a long time now.

And Fedor could have pushed the issue. His management as well. However, Fedor fighting a prime elite talent is unheard of for M1. Then they did accept one and well… Bigfoot put an end to that.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

M1 demanded additional drug test as well as the standard after the fight tests

 And reem of coarse wouldn`t agree to those terms

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Source on that? Sounds like some Floyd Mayweather ducking on Pac stuff.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And know we all know why...

I am disappointed in the Reem.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and how's that fedor's fault?

and in case you forget, fedor DID broke his hand against rogers and did have surgery, unlike some other champ who’s doing what he’s being told by his promoter

it’s not up for debate that overeem vs fedor would be a better fight than with rogers, but alas coker was trying to protect his investment and that sucks but that’s the way it is

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is in charge of his fights. We all know that. And Fedor apparently has broken his hand well over 10 times because after every fight its broken.

They could have swapped fights. Overeem fought in K1 in October and MMA in December.

So he could have been pushed a month back and fought Fedor right?

Point is, there were other options then Rogers and even Werdum to fight Fedor.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

or jones not fighting rashad?

‘cause i’m just saying fighters have no control over who they fight but ans seems to think otherwise

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different scenario, sorry. I know you have been bringing it up over and over. But nice try.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hows that different?

was jones ducking shad? ‘cause that’s the best fight the ufc could offer but they didn’t. Now was it because jones didn’t want the fight? rashad didn’t want the fight? or maybe the ufc saw more dollars in getting rampage in there and nixed the fight?

same thing with strikeforce/showtime. Showcase fedor, then capitalize on it

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I do, I dont rank Reem highly because of it. But his Strikeforce run has been similar to Fedor’s so same for me.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair response.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem shouldnt have fought Rogers. It should had been Werdum or Fedor. End of it.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It`s pathetic, but this is how retarded fedor fans are when debating about Fedor

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor's weakest opposition:

HMC
Rogers

I know Tim Sylvia is disliked and is considered a fat goon but when Fedor fought him he was a legit threat at HW.

Same with AA – look at how AA was controlling the stand up until Fedor capitalized on a mistake.

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by OJR on Jul 28, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are just talking most recent right?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Personally, Fedor declined around the Rogers fight. What do you think?

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by OJR on Jul 28, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it had been longer. Arlovski found a home outside of Fedor and his lack of defense showed. He had the heart of a champion and won. He looked even more so vs Rogers. And steadily more and more now.

But it happens, Age beats us all, some slower then most. Some more rapid. Fedor has hung on a LONG time.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zuluzinho? Gary Goodridge?

Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.

by David W-S on Jul 29, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Goodridge was highly ranked when he fought Fedor. His weakest opponents were Zulu, Nagata, Ogawa, Kohsaka, Hong Man Choi, and after that probably Fujita. I posted the numbers below :P

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

People forget that at the time, Goodridge was one of the most feared

HW fighters around. It’s easy to get caught up in the joke he’s become.

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by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he wasnt

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says a guy who started watching MMA in 2008

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 damn? Thats when I started? Holy cow

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I may have exaggerated a bit . . .

But he was still 7-1-1 in his previous 9 fights prior to fighting Fedor, with the one loss coming to Rodrigo. Goodridge isn’t a great win on his resume by any means, but at the time it was certainly solid.

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by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

ANS is a noob.

Do you know what a kimura is, rookie?

Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?

by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

allow me troll a bit

silva’s opponents have been moved into the top 10 a lot too

maia – he got a title shot by defeating a very game dan miller and suddenly was top 5 again after losing to 1 punch in the hands or a roided up marquadt
leites – i mean, really?
cote – top 10 in the weakest division of all mma? i really don’t think so, he was top 15 if at all
irvin – not even top 15 in his division, regardless of his 1 win

and you could go on and on. Hindsight is 20/20

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Allow me to troll as well

Anderson has over 10+ wins defending his title.

Fedor’s official record is 3-2

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

18 of Fedor’s opponents were ranked in the top 10 or higher.

Reading the post helps a shit-ton. Also not listening to self-promoted and glorified trolls might help to.

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by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers was top 8 for sure.

He was undefeated and had a victory over top 5 Arlovski at the time. That is much more than what Carwin did to originally get into the top 10, which was KOing Gonzaga who was beating on him until the flash KO.

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by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can he have beaten that many guys if his record is 3-2

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin has a ground game and brutal KO power

 Add a solid chin only the elite have a chance vs him. Against Rogers all you need to do is bring it the ground for a easy safe victory.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest i'm a bit disappointed in carwin's ground game

i mean, i still like the shit out of that big man but his ground game wasn’t enough to get jds down, nor it wasn’t enough to hold position in the couple seconds the fight hit the ground and as far as td defense, i’ve only seen him stop lesnar (a couple times, upon review)

but the man has one hell of a heart, i’ll always respect that and will look forward to his fights

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

JDS`s speed killed Carwin...as well Carwin did look rusty

 But it wasn`t tell he was beaten for three rounds that JDS took a shot, Carwin is very tough to bring down. Against Brock he blew his load in the first round and it wasn`t tell late in third when JDS was able to get him down…. Rogers would have zero chance vs Brock or JDS.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

any power puncher has a chance against brock

even kongo… specially kongo!

jds would fucking facerapeanalprobedicksmashtesticlecrush him (rogers) though, that’s pretty crystal clear

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true vhm both Carwin and Cain hit brock early in the fight

 But they still had to try and hold Brock off were Rogers and Kongo would have no chance.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

cain capitalized, carwin not so much sadly

but for reals, any heavy hitter poses a problem for brock. Hopefully, if he comes back, he’ll take the time to work on his reaction to getting hit

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both fights had more action in one round than most HW fights have in 3 rounds

 Brock is raw in areas and even guys like Reem, Cain and Carwin early in their career wouldn’t have the success Brock has had vs veteran fighters. Guys just want to hate on Brock but the closet similarity we will see is Cormier vs Bigfoot in experience and even cormier has been allowed to grow like all the other guys I mentioned facing weaker competition…….

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was (and still am) a Carwin fan.

But he looked turrrrrible against JDS. I think the hype is wearing off for me on Carwin. I think he is 1-2 fights away from hanging them up or getting dropped. His age and inability to do anything outside of the 1st round is sad.

I’d take Fedor over Carwin if they fought today.

by kmdubya on Jul 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin was also coming off a layoff and surgery...facing JDS off the hop was a mistake.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. But even taking all that into consideration

I thought Carwin was tuuuuuuuuuuurible.
Striking – slow
Takedown offense – For a wrestler, awful
Standing cage grapple – Lousy

JDS was not even at the top of his game (in my opinion) for that fight. Although I cannot judge it too much as I watched the fight in Vegas on a stag, so I’m lucky I remember they actually fought.

by kmdubya on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed 100% Puck...that wasn't Carwin we saw against JDS

That surgery took a major toll on him. He looked 30 lbs smaller, 10 years older, and moved like he’d already fought 10 rounds before he stepped in the cage. He didn’t look remotely like the same guy we saw fight Brock, Mir, and Gonzo. If he can bring THAT guy back, the guy who took Brock down with ease and decapitated 10 guys in the first round…That guy would DESTROY Overreem

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see that fight!

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by Puck Head on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that has more to do with Silva destroying the division.

More guys moved into the top ten to fight AS because the other top 10 guys got their asses handed to them.

by kmdubya on Jul 28, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the mw is still a very thin division, that's why most of silva's opponents suck so much

lw & lhw are where there fucking violent shark lie and more recently the ww is getting stacked through the motherfucking roof

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

MW is no more shallow then HW

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the two worst divisions in MMA

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by Ulf Murphy on Jul 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
His 20$ against my 2 weeks sig on Fedor to finish Hendo against kg12.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
20$ on Fedor to win against Henderson against Burlzilla129 (to be paid by end of the Monday following fight night)
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by freenow82 on Jul 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your agruement is about guys getting MOVED into the top ten

That’s not the case with MW. Thin division or not, they were fighters in the top ten. And AS cleaned it out.

by kmdubya on Jul 28, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, good observation

my bad. I would have done better typing that it doesn’t require much talent to reach top 10 at mw

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Dat!

The proof is that they keep having to bring their top contenders in from outside. Guys like Hendo and Vitor come in and instantly outrank all the humdrum “contenders” in the division…cause they’re the only guys who could even challenge the FORMER champion (Rich) let alone the current one.

MW sucks way worse than HW. If you combine the UFC and PRIDE/AFFLICTION, there have always been at least 5-10 exceptional Heavyweights out there. But you can’t say that about MW. MW has usually struggled to come up with 3 good names at any given time. That’s why Anderson stays there in spite of being bigger than half of the LHW division…why swim in the shark tank when you can rule the Kiddie Pool!

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah LHW is sooo strong that Anderson Silva moved up there and demolished two of their top fighters.

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

LHW is sooo strong that an inexperienced Jones has destroyed everyone in his path with ease.

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

LHW gets so much undeserved respect. It is NO better than any other division (WEC merger classes excluded, since they have not had the time to develop).

By the way, if HW is soooo weak, why aren’t the supermen at LHW moving up to HW? It should be a cakewalk for them shouldn’t it?

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

James Irvin was a "top fighter" at LHW?

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by TheGreg on Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullshit.

Fabricio Werdum on November 19th, 2009 was ranked number 10 in the consensus rankings. This was less than two weeks after his victory over “Bigfoot” and before his match with Fedor had been announced. And so where was Werdum when the fight went down? By June 24th he had skyrocket all the way to… number 9. What is even more outrageous is that in his rise he had leapfrogged an inactive and unlicensed Josh Barnett and Brett Rogers, who was coming off two losses.

Ok, so maybe Werdum isn’t the best example. But surely no one can forget the bump that Brett Rogers got after he was announced as Fedor’s opponent, entering their November 7th, 2009 fight at number 8 in the rankings. And what was Brett’s ranking in July of that year, several weeks before Strikeforce announced his fight with Fedor, and even before fans knew that Fedor would be even signed to the promotion? Number 8.

Well, then what of Josh Barnett who was ranked number 2 before their scheduled match at Affliction 3? Well, he was number 3 in January of that year, going into his “Affliction: Day of Reckoning” fight, and then jumped to number 2 immediately following it on the strength of his victory and, perhaps more importantly, then number 2 Andrei Arlovski’s loss.

Andre Arlovski’s himself was number 6 after leaving the UFC and before his fight with number 10 Ben Rothwell. After his impressive showing he jumped to number 4, over future “bump” beneficiaries Josh Barnett and Fabricio Werdum, eventually making it to number 2 in time for his fight with the Last Emperor. Now could we take Arlovski’s rise as evidence that the “bump” exists. Perhaps, but the more likely answer might be that while Andrei was beating number 17 Roy Nelson on CBS, both Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera, the two fighters that had been ranked above him, lost.

The fighter that best provides any evidence of a “bump” is Tim Sylvia, who was number 7 following his exit from the UFC and came in at number 5 by the time Affliction: Banned was held. But even still he was completely domintaing Minotauro until he got guillotine. At the time a solid number 5.

So are there any heavyweights that receive a bump? Well, there is one obvious example, a fighter who was unranked in March of 2008, following his victory over an unranked, 1-0 UFC novice, came in at number 15 after he was announced to fight for the interim title, and number 10 by the time the fight took place in December of 2009. And during that whole time, as he was rising in the ranks, he didn’t have a single fight that could explain his rise.

This fighter’s name is Frank Mir, and unfortunately for “bump” theorists his opponent was Big Nog and not Fedor. Another is Carwin who, unexplainably got to #10 by KOing a non-top 10 opponent in Gonzaga and then climbed the rankings to number 6-8 spot although he did not fight for an entire year after the KO win over Gabe.

And don’t even get me started on Lesnar.

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by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not debating wheter he is past his prime or not.

That was me debunking the bump theory that states that Fedor’s opponent are moved up after he is scheduled to fight them. And as you can see, it is proved to be completely false.

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by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah there BS rankings have proved to be false I agree

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, if your stats are true. At the time (and I still feel this way), Rogers had no business being in the cage with Fedor. Rogers ranking was seriously inflated, based off him running straight at AA, AA running straight backwards, and getting blasted.

by Deuce02 on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

I was worried about that fight. Rogers is a HUGE HW, coming in at 285 lbs fight night and has huge KO power. Knowing Fedor would fight to his opponents strength was what made that fight so nerve-racking for hater and fans alike.

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by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor does give up a lot to the 260+ fighters for sure

 And in his case because of the size advantage it makes it tougher to bring Rogers down than it should be but at the same time Fedor never really tried though. But anyone close to Rogers size with any kind of grappling would have little issues.

 And I tip my hat to Fedor for stepping in the ring with these big boys for sure and believe it or not I’m a fan of Fedors, I’m also a fan of Wandy’s and can accept the fact though that times have changed and I don’t think we will see a fighter less than 240 be the top dog anymore as the average weight of a skilled fighter back in Pride is probably ten to twenty pounds less than it is now for the 30 fighters making it very tough for Fedor to succeed as the talent level all around is much deeper and bigger than his Pride days.

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by Puck Head on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Solid post Puck.

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers has huge KO power?

haha

What?

Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?

by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you obsessed with Carwin? The guy has 1 punch, that’s it. The UFC did a great job promoting the guy but he ain’t all that. Fedor would school him all up and down the octagon.

Fedor lost to a guy who weights 275, doesn’t mean he’s finished. Carwin lost to a guy his own size, is he finished?

by danago on Jul 28, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Carwin would be a tougher challenge than Rogers, AA or Sylvia.

 As well he is a beast to KO with Fedors style Fedor would run the risk of eating one of CArwins strikes and Carwin I don`t think would have a issue eating a Fedor strike.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA a couple of years back is a bigger challenge than Carwin. Fedor would rings around Carwin with his speed and accuracy, look what JDS did to him.

And Gonzaga rocked Carwin LOL, Fedor would drop him on his ass. I’m not even hating but Fedor would have no problem beating Carwin up.

by danago on Jul 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree Dan. Arlovski in 2008 is better then Carwin

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don`t know about that AA didn`t like fighting bigger fighter..Rogers and Sylvia

 He was a great striker no doubt but all round Sylvia and Carwin are better at any time.

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Arlovski was a legit talent at the time. Maybe not a justifiable #2 HW but his skill set was very dangerous

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

His striking was no doubt, and he showed the potential to a well balanced fighter

 But he got away from training MMA and just relied on his hands. BC had AA on his back with a minor struggle, were you look how Mir made BC look bad in the grapple and how Carwin and brock made Mir look….imagine AA vs CArwin now?

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can name one HW with a record better than Fedors I’ll hold my hand up. You can’.

And if you are going to big Hendersons record up like he’s the greatest then you must big Fedor up. Some of you kids think Henderson has the most impressive record? Really kids? Fedor was the champ when the HW division was stacked, you can’t deny that.

by danago on Jul 28, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

This man did ad one point, now hold your hands up

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry it`s below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Vovchanchyn

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by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

when the HW division was stacked

I don’t know if I’d say that.

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

That’s BS. Lots of guys quickly catapult into the top 10 at HW…a testament as to how fuckin thin the division is. I’d love to see someone back this argument up with actual evidence (IE rankings from X date then Y date).

Fuck it, I’ll do it:

Let’s throw out some examples. Fightmatrix uses a formula for rankings, none of the subjective “this guy might be good so he’s ranked higher” stuff that you get at other sites.

Fedor fought Tim Sylvia on 7/19/2008
Rankings for 7/6/2008 shows Sylvia at #9 (and besides Barnett and Arlovski, the highest ranked HW not in UFC)
http://www.fightmatrix.com/historical-mma-rankings/ranking-snapshots/?Issue=36&Division=1

On 1/24/2009 he fought Andrei Arlovski, who was coming off of 5 straight wins including Werdum, Roy Nelson and Ben Rothwell. As of 1/04/2009 Arlovski was ranked #5 and the highest ranked HW not in UFC
http://www.fightmatrix.com/historical-mma-rankings/ranking-snapshots/?Issue=63&Division=1

On 11/7/2009 he fought Brett Rogers. Probably one of the most questionable opponents, Rogers had rocketed into the top 10 by KOing Arlovski, who was highly ranked. Beat a guy in the top 10, suddenly you’re top 10. That’s how it works, look at Brock Lesnar. Rogers was ranked #7 when he fought Fedor, which he took from Arlovski who was ranked #7 when Rogers knocked him out:
http://www.fightmatrix.com/historical-mma-rankings/ranking-snapshots/?Issue=108&Division=1

At the time of the Werdum fight on 6/26/2010, Werdum was ranked #10 in the world. Admittedly, Barnett was a better fight, but his stench of ruining Affliction hadn’t fallen off so nobody wanted to touch him yet:
http://www.fightmatrix.com/historical-mma-rankings/ranking-snapshots/?Issue=140&Division=1

I’ll give Fedor shit all day for fighting guys like Zulu, Hong Man Choi, or Matt Lindland, but let’s not get revisionist and pretend the top 10 guys he’s fought weren’t top 10 at the time of the fight.

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm way too bored

A little more fun using the Generated Historical Rankings from FightMatrix. That’s where they plug in their entire fight library and generate rankings based only on the fights up to X date.

Date – Fighter – Ranking
12/31/2006 – Mark Hunt – #7 HW
10/21/2006 – Mark Coleman – #4 HW (I think a lot of this was due to the fluke Shogun win)
I won’t even bother looking up that bullshit Zulu fight
8/28/2005 – Mirko Filipovic – #4 HW
TK was obviously a gift fight for Fedor
12/31/2004 – Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – #1 HW (despite having had lost to Fedor, he had more accomplishments overall I guess)
Ogawa was a bullshit freakshow, but that’s more PRIDE’s fault than Fedor’s, this was before he started being picky
6/20/2004 – Kevin Randleman – Odd because he was unranked for inactivity on the list before the fight, but then knocked out the #5 ranked CroCop immediately prior to the Fedor fight
4/25/2004 – Mark Coleman – #10 HW
Nagata was another bullshit freakshow fight
8/10/2003 – Gary Goodridge – #11 HW
6/8/2003 – Kazayuki Fujita – #35 HW <- funny enough Fujita came damned close to knocking Fedor out
Some bullshit Rings Lithuania fight?
3/16/2003 – Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – #1 HW
11/24/2002 – Heath Herring – #11 HW
6/23/2002 – Semmy Schilt – #4 HW

Everything before that was in RINGS, and I can’t be bothered to look those guys up.

My point with all of this is, it’s easy to get revisionist and look back at these guys seeing them now and say they suck, but it’s important to recognize accomplishments in the context of when they happened. Yeah, beating CroCop doesn’t mean shit in 2011, but in 2008 it meant a lot more.

The problem Fedor has is when he started being “hurt” before the CroCop fight and became something of a primadonna, there was a long drop off in his opponents. But it was also a bit of the “well they’re fighting Fedor, of course they’re going to lose, why is this guy even in the ring with him” syndrome, too.

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're fighting the good fight, man

thank you for the stats, definitely gonna save’em and everytime someone comes up with this crap argument i’m just gonna repost your comment (full credit and everything)

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, thanks

Also for giggles, when Fedor fought Lindland, Lindland was #4 at MW. lol

On that note, why doesn’t Machida ever catch shit for beating up on poor little BJ Penn?

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

cause B.J. deserved it!

How you gonna ever fault anyone for kicking that little punk’s ass. If Brock kicked his ass, I would say, “Well, it is BJ, I’m sure he deserved it!” Besides, it’s not like Machida went looking for a LW to pick on. Penn gained 40 lbs and volunteered his fat ass for that beating.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

BJ deserves every beating he gets.

Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?

by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, what was it you wanted me to notice Jimbobb?

that it wasn’t really a beating? Granted. I gave Penn the first round and thought Lyoto only narrowly won the other two and possibly that only because Penn looked so gassed. I hate Penn, but based on the career stats I’ve seen on Lyoto, it looks like Penn was the one that landed nearly all the pre-Shogun licks that Lyoto took. It’s a shame to see talent like Penn’s wasted on a lazy entitled little mamma’s boy.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this case it is not suprising BJ got tired in the later rounds

Did you not expect him to gas fighting a guy who weighed in at Heavyweight in that fight?

But yes I wanted you to notice that it was not a beat down like you stated above.

by Jimbobb on Aug 3, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Lyoto's size had anything to do with it

they weren’t really wrestling or clinching. BJ gassed because of BJ’s size in that fight. He had all his “baby” fat and was having to haul his own lard ass around the ring. BJ has cardio issues when he’s carrying 160 lbs, so you know he’s gonna struggle with…whatever he weighed in that fight. Still, pretty impressive performance against a guy like Machida.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 4, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

great research, Jason!

One of my big pet peaves around here is the way people discredit a fighter’s wins based on what their opponents became later. Often what a fighter becomes in the future has to do with the loss dealt to them at that turning point. Take Chuck for example. Pre-Rampage 2 he was 19-3, with one of those losses being Rampage 1 and the other two being avenged. After Rampage 2 he was 1-5…total shit. So, you gonna discredit Rampage’s win and say he didn’t fight the “real” Chuck? Hell no! Rampage KILLED the real Chuck. Rampage wrecked Chuck’s chin once and for all and made him the fighter he is today. Look at Vitor. Before Randy, Vitor was unstoppable. After Randy stole his soul, Vitor was never the same again. Cro-Cop killed Wandy’s chin. Gonzaga shattered Cro-Cop’s confidence. Fedor wrecked Sylvia and AA’s chins. These were all turning-point fights that changed fighters from elite wrecking machines to old wreckage, but like you said, you can’t cast that vision backward to before they were wrecked and discredit the very people who wrecked them. I’ve heard fighters talk about how getting hit by Fedor changes you. They say he doesn’t knock you out, he just hits you so hard that you feel deeply and psychologically damaged, like the punch penetrates to your soul and makes you doubt everything you ever thought was true about yourself and the world. They say the guys who get KOd may be the lucky ones.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

he was 24-4 before Fedor

and his losses were all to highly respected champions, and he avenged the AA loss twice. People laughed at him cause he looked goofy, but they weren’t exactly lining up to fight him. He was a feared champion in his time. Granted, the talent pool was not as good back then, but Big Tim was still a dangerous man before Fedor.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 2, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as dangerous as Couture or Mir....ask Timmy

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Aug 2, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is why they beat him. My point is Tim earned his place in history and you can’t project today’s Tim back to those days and say he was a can or that beating him back then didn’t mean anything.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 2, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was a can

 But they were not proof Fedor was still the top dog then, these fights were much better fighters though than 70% of Fedors resume though shonuff I agree.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Aug 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

but look at who the UFC had at the time.

He fought Tim and AA in ‘08/’09. Tim was coming straight off losing to Nog, whom Fedor had already beaten twice. Fedor tried to fight Randy and no one but Randy had any doubt Fedor would win. Nog was the interim champ and No1 contender in the UFC. Mir & Brock were next in line. Nobody else in the UFC was even worth mentioning at the time. Affliction had 6 of the world’s TOP 10 HWs, and Fedor was clearly No 1 as late as ‘09. Then suddenly, new stars started rising, Carwin, Rogers, JDS, Cain, and mysteriously Overeem. Finally there were some guys who looked like they’d have a chance to beat Fedor, but none of them could claim anywhere near his accomplishments. They still can’t. Fedor has still beaten more Top 10 HWs than anybody else has.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure shonuff

 Really the first documented era of MMA as we know it today is Pride and the early UFC. Fedor was the king of the HW’s no doubt and is the greatest HW All time. The sport has evolved a lot though and the fighters are more evolved than the Pride era and when Fedor came out Affliction may of had some of the all time greats were NOG and CC could of done well for themselves to we wanted to see Fedor vs the new generation of fighters instead of X-UFC champs that would not be top five in the UFC.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Aug 4, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

elite fighter in his day

Big Tim was 16-0 before Mir broke his arm (and he still didn’t tap)
When he fought Randy, Tim had 23 wins and only 1 unavenged loss. People dismiss Randy’s victory because of what Tim is now, but at the time, it was considered perhaps the greatest accomplishment in UFC history. Tim was never popular, but he was a winner with a 91% career win rate and 17 KOs/Subs, In case you’re counting, that’s better than GSP’s current record. He was a very legit champion and beating him meant something.

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Aug 2, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most impressive record at HW bar none, maybe of all the weight classes

by danago on Jul 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Second most impressive.

42 – 0 is nothing to be shy about.

(in a baby talking voice)
“Who’s the 42 – 0? Yes you are. Yes you are. A booga booga booga!”

by kmdubya on Jul 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovely touch with the "a booga booga booga"

"90 percent of the game is half mental" – Tim Sylvia

by redfox54 on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rickson Gracie could have fought at HW and gone 250-0…. easy!!! He could have racked up 250 wins in a week if he wanted. In fact, he could have fought all 250 people at once and still won.

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

he holds his ice creams funny

Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day.
Circa Regna Tonat

by sir.tickleberry on Jul 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I took quality of oppsoition into consideration.

And, no, that was not an oxymoron.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No actually NNR is right. You dont have that right to say Fedor has the longest streak regardless of who you say is better in terms of competition. Igor owns it. Not Fedor.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a fact Choro

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be a hater Choro but you should revise that one, and say has one of MMA’s most impressive streaks.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see where you all are coming from

but during that streak the best guy he fought was a guy with a 14-9 record. Then Goodridge who was 8-7 at the time with a KO win over Taktarov……

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many are saying the same about Fedor.........

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt matter facts are facts. The way you have it you are being incorrect and people are seeing wrong information. Regardless of how you see it.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not wrong....just adjusted.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesnt have the longest, he has one of the longest

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically neither Igor's nor Fedor's streaks are "winning streaks".

Both are “unbeaten streaks”. Fedor’s streak contained a No Contest and Igor’s contained both a No Contest and a draw.

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by TheGreg on Jul 28, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Igor was the shiiiiit ima go watch some old videos

My favorite KO was from Igor if i remember right where he KOs the dude and keeps punching him as he falls straight down like a log.

If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!

by Khaos_Warrior on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easily one of the to KO's of all time.

I believe he caught him 4 times as he was falling face-first to the mat.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

to = top

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good insight

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, some mean alot some mean a little.

Fedor is a legend no doubt.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

some mean a little

Such as?

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

1, 2, 5 and 7-10

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 MMA championships is preety damn impressive.

And also actually being stopped ONCE in 37 is also a feat in of itself.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Lytle has never been stopped in 53 fights.

Fedor has been doctor stoppaged, and cut stoppaged.

So has Lytle.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I know a guy who has had three times that many MMA championships. The only one Fedor has held that holds big time relevence is Pride’s

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Difference is Lytle was never champ of anything relevant. Fedor was...for 7 years straight.
The only one Fedor has held that holds big time relevence is Pride’s

Are you kidding? He also won the RINGS HW and Absolute World Class tournaments. The most prestigious titles a HW could win in the 90s beside the Open-weight Grand Prix in Pride. Something the great Randy couldnt even get to the semi-finals of. And something the great Minotauro Noguiera also won.

Fun fact: if Randy hadnt tapped out to Lesser Overeem we would have seen Randy vs Minotauro 10 years earlier than we did.

The WAMMA title was a bit of an oddity but I like the way that was going. Not the title in itself but the idea of a “union” for fighters if you may.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wamma isnt a belt with any sort of respect behind it sorry to inform you.

And in terms of MMA, Rings didnt even have the same rule set.

The only relevent title people will care to speak of for Fedor is Pride’s. No matter how you spin it.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because of the different rules you will invalidate his wins?

So, using your logic, we should discount Royces wins because the rules were different? Minotauro Noguiera’s RINGS title is now invalid as well? How about Aronas?

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No no no… not in the least. But in terms of MMA relevence that title holds little weight.

I dont hear anybody saying damn man Fedor was the RINGS HW Champ! I do here Pride. I am talking in terms of relevence not respect and all that. It was a legit promotion in its time.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and Pride’s champion Gomi hasnt been stopped in over 40+ fights.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...yes he has.

He was finished by BJ, Aurelio, and Kitaoka in his Pride days. Clay and Florian just choked him out recently as well….

Are you drunk?

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

in gomi's defense

clay did some fucking voodoo dancing shit on him before shoulder humping him and transitioning to a choke.

also i think florian won a ud rather than a choke but i can’t recall and i’m too lazy to go check it out

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 28, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florian choked him, but I thought we were talking stopped as in stopped with strikes. Since Fedor had been docter stopped twice and submitted

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are talking submissions?

Fedor went 34 without being stopped other then subs and doctor stoppage.

Gomi had never been stopped at all other then submission

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad I should have specified.

I meant getting stopped by the actual fighter.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor was stopped by Werdum then, or are you talking the streak prior to the werdum fight?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I menat stopped in general, Fedor has been stopped once by the actual fighters themselves.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the ref has to rip the other guy off you or the corner decides you've taken too much of a beating to continue

That is the other fighter stopping you.

Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?

by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is a legend. No doubt but he is slowly being past through the ringer that is evolution in MMA. He is facing better guys now and it shows. No shame in losing to talented more evolved and well rounded guys.

Stats:
Look at level of comp by the way

Last five fights 3-2 (Bigfoot, Werdum, Rogers, AA, Tim)
Outstruck by his opponents 61-52 in significant strikes.
Taken down 2-4 times.

Prior 5 fights 5-0 (Choi, Lindland, Hunt, Coleman, Zulu)
Outsruck his opponents 41-21 in significant strikes
Taken down 3 out of 16 times.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Your numbers are mainly based off on ONE fight.

Which was the loss to Bigfoot. Thats like trying to define Anderson’s record solely by how he performed against Chael.

It doesnt make any sense to do that.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took 10 fights. The last ten.

I could say the same about the Zulu fight. Take that away and he broke even on striking.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zulu was 15-0 all wins by KO before he fought Fedor.

One of his wins included pro kickboxer Carlso Andino who sports a 44-11 record.

ANd the thing I am arguing is that all the damage was done by Bigfoot…on the ground. Werdum and Tim didnt even land a SINGLE strike. AA was KOed in the first and Fedor beat both Silva and Rogers in the first round.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are saying Zulu was a legit opponent? Thats what I got from that… and holy shit you are horribly bias if that is the case.

And Werdum didnt need to land a strike.

All of Fedor’s strikes to Zulu were also on the ground besides the first one

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which dropped him on his ass yes. And then finished him. Bigfoot went for a TD and then pounded on Fedor.

And Zulu never amounted to much afterwards but he was a 400+lbs undefeated man with all his wins coming by KO at the time he fought Fedor. I never gave my opinion on him, just presented facts about him.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You tried making him sound legit with his “15-0” undocumented record.

Zulu vs Fedor was a mockery to MMA the same way Toney vs Couture was

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toney would destroy Zulu, one strike and goodnight.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt say anything about the man.

I just presented you with the cold hard facts. You do what you wish with them.

Also Puck you are a fool.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor beat both Silva and Rogers in the first round.

I’m guessing you mean Sylvia and not Silva, but the Rogers fight also ended in the 2nd round.

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by TheGreg on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't beat Rogers in the first round

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Jul 28, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah . . . that was kind of my point when I said:
the Rogers fight also ended in the 2nd round.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Jul 28, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies.

I meant Fedor won the first rounds against Rogers and Silva.

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by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, gotcha.

Makes sense now.

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by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And let us put rankings aside since we all know they are subjective.

Fedor’s wins are great no doubt, no disputing that. Big names, etc. However people who are talking about rankings and not deserving etc will understand what this all means.

Heading into the fight with Fedor:

Antonio Silva 15-2
- on a 2 fight win streak since losing to Werdum

Fabricio Werdum 13-4-1
- on a 2 fight win streak since his loss to Dos Santos

Brett Rogers 10-0
- Notable wins over Arlovski and James Thompson

Andrei Arlovski 15-5
- On a 5 five win streak since losing back to back to Big Tim

Tim Sylvia 24-4
-On a one fight skid losing to Big Nog, dropped 2 of last 3.

That is an impressive five fight run. I think that is impressive. Now only if Overeem would have been in there.

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by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Big Tim looked very good against Big Nog, he was close winning that fight. It’s not like Tim was completely done by the time Fedor fought him. That’s worth mentioning.

by danago on Jul 28, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are correct, noted.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why isnt Overeem in there?

Why is he not fighting in the GP like is is supposed and will now rather fight in Russia against a nobody?

Ask yourself that instead of questioning why Fedor didnt fight him.

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by Chorongota on Jul 28, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor lost in the GP how could he fight Fedor. Oh wait, he could. Instead they chose a blown up LHW to fight Fedor. Overeem and Fedor could have pushed the issue. More so Fedor.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Overeem was just pulled out less than a week ago from the GP. The Fedor-Hendo fight has been booked for about 3 months.

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by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its called priorities and management. As a promoter I scrap Hendo and insert Overeem

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying as a promoter, you could make a guy who pulls out of a tournament because he says Sept is too soon, you can make that same guy turn around and agree to fight in July? Damn, you’re one helluva promoter!

WAKE UP FOLKS! Overeem’s MMA record is a can collection that would make any bag-lady drool with envy. He’s only defended his title ONCE in FOUR YEARS…and that’s a title he won from unranked Paul Buentello…when Reem was coming off a loss! You call Rogers a can on Fedor’s record, but Rogers is the highest ranked HW Reem had ever beaten prior to this tourney…this tourney which Reem dropped out of because his pinky toe was uncomfortable…and instead of pursuing Fedor for Oct, he immediately made a date with a can somewhere else.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This....x9000

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

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by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good god another fed or praising ceremony

I could’ve sworn this article was posted a while back. Still has the same bullshit points.
No. 11, 13, and 15 are total bias or bullshit
 No. 11- if fed or wants to fight at heavyweight , then he’s going to fight heavyweights. There are no excuses to losing to “bigger guys” . fed or doesn’t use this excuse, and neither should his fans.
No.13- just read it, it makes no since at all. True?? Wow your really stretching for more things to say about fedor, or as John G calls him, God.
No. 15- p4p rankings are just bs anyways but elusive Fedor is elusive but is no where close to a machida or A silva. Good god in his fights against big foot and Rogers he was getting tagged like crazy. And the rest of the post is just a nut hugging ceremony

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by ItalianStallion54 on Jul 28, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew you would turn up with you hate mongering sooner rather than later. Funny you of all people should talk about bias since there is no one more bias than yourself, and the points you made were incorrect

by steady2wheels on Jul 28, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What am I bias about? Other than fedor

And I’ll listen to you if you can actually prove to me why I am wrong

Also, did you really think I was goin to show up?

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by ItalianStallion54 on Jul 28, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol yeah seriously i thought you were going to show up, i know your hatred towards everything fedor related… your bias towards fedor was the only bias i was on about

by steady2wheels on Jul 29, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah ill admit

I am negaitve toward fedor lol
But honestly it has nothing to do with fedor, it M-1 and his FANS. Im not saying you, but seriously, they all see through rose color shades. I mean look, the title of this column. Had to be changed because it was sounded so stttupid. “An ungodly look at fedors numbers”. Now its whatever it is…
and i SWEAR this same colmun or fanpost was posted a while back…this is just a repost

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by ItalianStallion54 on Jul 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And then you ask yourself why people dont take you seriously.

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey good original title buddy

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by ItalianStallion54 on Jul 30, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot to mention this stat.

His (self proclaimed) 3 toughest fights were against CC, Nog and AA. Granted that was before he lost 2 times in a row, so he may put Bigfoot at the top of that list now, but those 3 guys are hardly world beaters. They had their moments for one dimensional fighters in an era without any real well rounded fighters. As soon as those 3 started fighting well rounded fighters they started losing and so did Fedor, just like I predicted he would.

by Drubbin on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Its called no longer being in your prime anymore.

Look at how long football players last. 3 years max. Boxers 3-6 depending on their fighting style and strength of opposition.

MMA fighters on average last for about 5 years. Fedor dominated for 10. Also your last statement is foolish. No man is unbeatable and everyone and their grandmothers predicted he would one day lose.

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by Chorongota on Jul 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "look how they compete now, clearly they were never that good" argument

is pretty ridiculous, especially when used to discredit the accomplishments of great Pride fighters. How are the UFC champs from 2006 performing these days?

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by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pride FC IMO was much more grueling with the stomps, 10 minute rounds..fighters were pratically decimated by the time the entered the UFC

Fedor is the greatest HW of all-time. Let’s look at Brock/Cain/JDS after 35 fights and then tear downa nd discredit their guys. I admit that some of Fedor’s fights in MMA terms were gimmies but he never faced a known pussy. He beat Cro Cop (prime), Big Nog Tim Sylvia, Arlovski Schilt, Herring, Coleman,Hunt,Randleman who are elite K-1 and MMA fighters at the time he beat them. For what he has done in his body of work in my books makes him the greatest HW and between him and GSP for the best fighter of all time.

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by Lesnar's striking coach on Jul 29, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly!

Let these guys talk AFTER Cain wins his next 20 straight fights. PLEASE! I’d put even money on Fedor against Cain NOW. Making one mistake against a world-champion BJJ guy and getting beat by a 300 lbs Bigfoot does not make him irrellevant. It’s absurd. If Anderson lost to Cain would that make him irrellevant. Cause there’s a bigger size difference between Fedor and Bigfoot than there is between Andy & Cain. Would you call GSP irrellevant if he lost to Bones? Would you call Aldo irrellevant if he got overpowered by Sonnen? IMO the Bigfoot loss says nothing about Fedor’s skills, and the Werdum loss was his first mistake in TEN YEARS? WTH goes TEN YEARS without getting caught. I don’t know of any fighter who’s done that even against minor-league cans, let alone 5 former world champions and several guys who outweighed him by 60-160 lbs.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last I heard Bigfoot was up to 450 pounds

And yes losing to fights back-to-back does make you almost irrelevant.

Especially when the fight after those two losses is against a glorified MW.

Fedor is fighting the same dude that Jake Shields beat up a few months ago and you guys want to discuss whether Fedor is irrelevant or not in the HW picture? C’mon now.

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by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's with his jaw on. He takes it off for weigh-ins.

How he fared against Bigfoot says nothing about how he would fare against JDS and Cain, who are 40-50 lbs smaller.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Fedor never "got caught" by a can. Anderson did...more than once!

Fedor got caught by one of the best submission specialists in the game….what was Andy’s excuse?

Say what you want about Fedor’s competition, but then take a close look at Anderson’s can collection. And keep in mind the fact that Andy walks around the same size as Fedor yet Fedor gets criticized for having 2 or 3 middleweights on his record, while Anderson has only 2 fights above MW.

There’s an easy way to settle this dispute over who’s the Greatest Of All Time…let them fight! Unlike AS/GSP, Fedor/Silva is a very fair fight. Both walk around at 230 lbs, with Andy having a height and reach advantage. It’s a very fair fight, and when Fedor pounded Silva into the ground, it would settle this issue once and for all.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too much win shonuff!

If I was a faggot (BE dude) i would be pressed to rec your comments!

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson does have a horrible track record

But that’s because the middleweight division is mostly garbage.

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by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone knows Fedor's record is 3-2

those pride fights were fakes fights and me and Chael know it!!

by Newfie3 on Jul 29, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Fedor blows.

I hate Fedor. I probably hate you too, but not as much as Fedor.
I wish Chael Sonnen was my uncle.

by 79guy on Jul 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Wand and his Japanese faked fights and Fedor’s 3-2 record

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by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Hendo's 2 fake titles...Oh WAIT, Hendo's American!

I meant to say “Hendo’s two WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS”

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOOk

Fedor greatest hvwyweight of all time, without a doubt, one of the greatest fighters of all time without a doubt.

Times r changing, much like when Royce was greatest of his time, but would get his ass whupped by UFC Welterweights nowadays, but that doesnt diminish what he’s accomplished.

Fedor is just entering a new decade… one where I think he should drop down to 205lbs, he’s gonna demolish Hendo.

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by THORAZINE on Jul 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Fedor looks really good for this fight

Huge fan of both Fedor and Hendo but I think Hendo is going to be finished easily, maybe even ko or tko.

by Jrridermd on Jul 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hendo has never been TKOd or KOd in 14 years and 35 fights.

Unless Fedor subs him, this one is going to the judges.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do these arguments ever accomplish anything?

Does anyone ever read through one and change their minds?

Haters will always be haters. Nut huggers will always be nut huggers.

Can’t we just say he was a great fighter who fought in an era where there weren’t many other great well rounded fighters?

Haters – he was definitely the best in the HW division for a loooooong time and was able to go undefeated for just as long which is a remarkable feat. Even great champs (GSP) can get KOed by a chump. Fedor going through all that and coming out the victor over and over again is a remarkable feat.

Nut huggers – yes, he beat the best in Pride. But the best in Pride were Nog (a BJJ fighter) and CroCop (a kickboxer). And he didn’t even finish either of them. He also faced a lot of chumps (Hong). He is obviously not the best anymore, and yes you can blame that on age, but you also have to see that the new crop of elite HW fighters are really good. Probably better than anyone Fedor has ever faced. And they’re huge! Not just LHWs with extra pounds in a spare tire.

You know who cares about proving that Fedor is the best? Just you guys. Fedor has said before that he has nothing to prove. And if he wanted to he would’ve fought who the public were calling the best out there. Not only the UFC guys, but even the champion of his own promotion (Reem).

by iampk on Jul 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Tbh I see what you’re saying. But if we all just agreed that would make these forums a lot less exciting, and quite pointless actually. I personally love the fedor debate, but only when its done the way like ANS and Choro have been doing it, respectfully and with some facts. The arguments can definitely get stale when people resort to name calling and being disrespectful.
Will we ever come to a final conclusion on where fedor stands in history? Probably not. But hey at the very least talking about fedor will help us remember the good ol’ days in pride
So let the debates continue I say.

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by HERZ on Jul 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you make a good point

And I guess they are entertaining in some respects, otherwise there wouldn’t be over 100 comments and I wouldn’t have read almost all of them.

Let the great debate continue.

by iampk on Jul 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The greatest debates of all time
1.Meaning of life
2.Is there a god
3.Is fedor the GOAT
4.Who is ANS

"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"

Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz

L@SER MANIFESTO

by HERZ on Jul 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

1. survive
2. yes
3. So far
4. I would have to kill you if I told you

by Deuce02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha deuce…feels like your 1 and 2 answers contradict themselves a bit

And the correct answer for number 2 was No

"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"

Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz

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by HERZ on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

God votes "yes" on #2...that's a majority of THE ONE to 1....you lose, .

departing contestants will receive….an eternal supply of new Icy-Hot Hemorrhoid Cream (Warning: use as directed!)

"Who's da MASTA?!!!"

by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I feel as though 2, 3, and 4 are all connected...hmm

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by redfox54 on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, indeed I am Fedor.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

all this time i thought you were aleksander too

"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"

Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz

L@SER MANIFESTO

by HERZ on Jul 29, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

my money was on ox wheeler or cub swanson

guess he’s not

fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.

by vhw_ on Jul 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way off. Russian, 230 pounds. GOAT

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 29, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flawless logic.

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Only young Lyoto Machida comes close."

Young Lyoto is 33.

Old Fedor is 34.

What?

Also: the stuff about fighters who cut or battered Fedor not stopping him is silly.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

All those statistics are true.

The fact of the matter is Fedor is just a average fighter nowadays. If Fedor was 25, or whatever age he was in his pride days and fighting the heavyweights now he would get demolished. So saying he is the greatest heavyweight of all time isn’t saying much. The division is shallow now, but getting deeper and the division in the past was pathetic. He is the greatest fighter in the worst division possible. My hat goes off to the fighters that are dominating right now against true talent, like GSP and Silva. Fedor is 34, not old and irrelevant to his division. I compare Fedor to Matt hughes, good for their time and that’s about it.

by desperus on Jul 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

He is the greatest fighter in the worst division possible.

HW may have sucked in 2005 but Middleweight is a division where Thales Lietes and Damien Maia both challenged for titles in the last couple of years.

by JasonHarris on Jul 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

WORD...And Fedor didn't cut 40 lbs so he could fight in the weakest division in the sport, that was Andy.

MW is worse than HW and probably always has been. Name me a time in MW history where there was a full TOP 10 made up of guys we’d all even heard of? HW has always had 5-10 real stars, Middleweight has struggled to have 3 at any one time. Face it folks, Anderson fought in a weaker division than Fedor, and he cuts 40 lbs to do it when he could easily be fighting in the flagship division 205 shark-tank against other stars and legends. Fedor isn’t the one avoiding top competition. He’s been shut out of it by Zuffa/M-1 the last few years, but Anderson has actively chosen and gone to great effort to avoid fighting the top guys his own size in his own organization and opted instead to drop beneath them and fight the weakest division in the MMA.

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by (shonuff) on Jul 30, 2011 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, good point. Forrest, former LHW champ really gave Silva an ass whooping!

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest and Irvin were both tailor made for Silva

Two guys with slow hands that like to slug it out. They were both lambs led to the slaughter for Anderson’s approval ratings.
  
That’s what happens when every fan of the sport hate your champion. You have to make these fights to make them forget the 4 fights before them where the champion danced instead of fighting.

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by jay. on Jul 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny that Forrest decided to grapple Rich and try to strike with Anderson

Still a high risk fight for Anderson if Forrest would have decided to try and grapple out a decision unless it was a special rules match with only striking allowed.

by grapplefan on Aug 1, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest posed no threat to Andy

Forrest is not some takedown master. Andy could have easily avoided his TDs and even if he didn’t, he’s as good on the ground as Forrest is. Rich could probably have defended them too if he’d expected them. He thought Forrest would stand-n-bang as usual. Also, Forrest doesn’t have as much of a size advantage over Silva as he has over Rich.

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by (shonuff) on Aug 1, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor should be judged relative to his competition, just as athletes in other sports are.

How many legendary football/basketball/baseball players from the ’50’s and ’60’s would be dominating their respective sports today? Fighters evolve and while a prime Fedor might not have the same success today that he did during his legendary run, that doesn’t diminish his accomplishments against the best of his generation.

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by TheGreg on Jul 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly this.

You dont compare Jorden to LeBron or Kobe. Or Ali to Klitschkos or Lennox. You measure their success they had against their contemporaries.

Sports, and the way you train, for them change. We see that now with boxing, football, basketball, etc. and now MMA is falling in line as well.

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by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent points

Pele to Ronaldhino etc (tricks wise and athletic training).

by grapplefan on Jul 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

the best there is, was, and ever will be

Fedor

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by jason*bourne on Jul 29, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Word.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks grapple.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Jul 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent to read right before watching one of my favourite fighters maybe fighting for the last time

Nice piece to bring out respect whatever side of the fence you’re on about Fedor, his decisions or accomplishments. At least imo. I hope everybody enjoys the fight and they both give us the spectacle that they both deserve (and are capable of) delivering.

Bit like Wand and Liddell who arguable should have both retired after that high point.

by grapplefan on Jul 30, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent to read right before watching one of my favourite fighters maybe fighting for the last time

Stop with the last time stuff, Fedor still has a lot to in him.

Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
His 20$ against my 2 weeks sig on Fedor to finish Hendo against kg12.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
20$ on Fedor to win against Henderson against Burlzilla129 (to be paid by end of the Monday following fight night)
20$ (next pool buyin) for last 3 events total of the pool against kg12

by freenow82 on Jul 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yh free

in an ideal world fedor beats hendo,beats werdum in a rematch then beats the sf tournament winner barnett in a match weve always wanted for the sf title.imagine that!!!

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"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
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by scott1 on Jul 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

id love that!!!!!

"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"

by scott1 on Jul 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love that too, but I have the winner of Bigfoot/Cormier winning the tourney.

Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
His 20$ against my 2 weeks sig on Fedor to finish Hendo against kg12.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
20$ on Fedor to win against Henderson against Burlzilla129 (to be paid by end of the Monday following fight night)
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by freenow82 on Jul 30, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown of the greatest MMA fighter that has ever stepped into the cage. Say what you want about Fedor but he fought the best and absolutely dominated for 10 years. Add to that the fact that he was a HW, fighting the baddest men on the planet and it is quite an astonishing feat. He was always exciting to watch, always went for the finish and stayed humble through it all. Fedor is a legend… period. Anyone that says otherwise is either ignorant of the sport or trolling.

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

and before someone says it, i know he fought most of his fights in a ring

If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!

by crizzy on Jul 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Exciting to watch, went for the finish, dominated and stayed humble throughout”.

Not a direct quote but great post IMO
+1

by grapplefan on Jul 30, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this page is surprisingly quiet...

now that fedor was knocked out by a middleweight who was beaten by a welterweight

by Mississauga MMA on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Fedor's last 6 years of fighting...from ages 28-34....GOAT? really???
Loss Dan Henderson TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Henderson 7/30/2011 1 4:12
 Loss Antonio Silva TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Strikeforce – Fedor vs. Silva 2/12/2011 2 5:00
 Loss Fabricio Werdum Submission (Triangle Armbar) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Werdum 6/26/2010 1 1:09
 Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
 Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction – Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
 Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction – Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
 Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka – New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
 Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight – Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
 Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
 Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 – The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15

by Newfie3 on Jul 31, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

1. Fedor has held five MMA championships
2. Fedor holds the best win streak in all MMA at 26
3. Fedor has never been knocked down by any type of strike
4. Fedor has a finishing percentage of 79% 77%
5. Only one fighter has ever stopped Fedor in a fight. The other two were stoppages by doctors
6. Fedor has defeated five different heavyweight champions, seven times
7. Fedor has 70 total takedowns
8. Fedor has secured 22 victories in the first round
9. Fedor has 12 wins under two minutes
10. And four wins under one minute
11. Fedor has only lost to guys that are top 10 and had a total of 70-pounds (combined) over him.
12. 18 of Fedor’s opponents were ranked in the top 10 or higher.
13. Fedor is the only heavyweight to beat a true number one and then defend that position against the true number two. Cain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos will become the second pair of heavyweights to ever accomplish such feat.
14. Has longest time going undefeated out of anyone active in mixed martial arts at 10 years.
15. Ranked number one in his division and pound-for-pound longest time out of anyone in MMA at seven years. He is the most elusive, least-hit fighter of all time over the length of his career. Only young Lyoto Machida comes close. He is also one of the most skilled judokas in the world in addition to the most decorated combat sambo fighter in history.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Aug 3, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

AintNoSunshine is not trolling

After many years of savoring the sweet taste of Fedor’s gizz, it seems that some has shot into my eyes, thus blinding me into thinking Fedor could finish a legend like Dan Henderson, who has never been Ko’d in 36 fights. As always, Dana White had it right all along. Dana truly is God’s gift to Mixed Martial Arts.

by freenow82 on Aug 4, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is Fedor wouldn't beat guys like Cain, Junior, Brock...

That was what the question has been for the past few years. Fedor fans said he would destroy those guys and I think the question has been answered. I don’t know how anyone couldn’t see it because CC and Nog were good measuring sticks when they were nothing special against the new breed of fighters in the UFC. It’s not that I don’t like Fedor and I enjoyed watching Pride fights, but that was old school MMA,so beating a one trick pony like CC doesn’t say much towards beating a more well rounded HW like Cain or Junior. Fedor was one of the more well rounded fighters in Pride and that is why he was so successful there. I’m not doubting that Fedor is a great fighter. What I have doubted was the claims that he is the best and would retire undefeated like so many of his fans used to think. It’s not that I don’t like Fedor, it’s because his fans tend to be like BJ fans, unrealistic and rate him better than he really is.

by Drubbin on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah the size really hurts Fedor, If he was just starting and younger he would be a LHW

 I wish he would of made the change earlier and if he decides to continue I think he really should move down.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either Fedor is just plain stubborn or the puppet master pulling his strings

205 is ideal for him. He needs a proper training camp. The home style training isn’t cutting it out anymore against the type of fighters he has loss to.

by daftshadow on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

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