UFC 133: Was turning down a Rashad Evans rematch the 'right' choice for Lyoto Machida?
by Jesse Holland on Jul 14, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
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UFC 133: "Evans vs. Ortiz," featuring a reworked main event (and 2007 rematch) between former light heavyweight champions Rashad Evans and Tito Ortiz, is all set to go down from the Wells Fargo Arena on August 6 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
And that has the mixed martial arts community buzzing.
Everyone's talking about the resurrection of Tito Ortiz, who resuscitated his career with an upset win over Ryan Bader at UFC 132 back on July 2. Can "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" continue his comeback campaign and re-insert himself back into the 205-pound title hunt?
Everyone's also talking about Rashad Evans, who has suffered through a year of injuries, missed opponents and drama at Jackson's MMA. Can "Suga" dominate in Philly and cement his status as division number one contender?
No one is talking about Lyoto Machida.
At least not anymore. That's because "The Dragon," who initially agreed to replace the injured Phil Davis in the headlining bout of next month's pay-per-view, rescinded a short time later and demanded "Anderson Silva" money to participate on short notice.
Now, he's lost the opportunity to leapfrog his way back into a future title fight, falling by the wayside to Evans and Ortiz, two opponents he already holds victories over.
But which is more detrimental to Machida's career? A short-notice loss to Evans on Aug. 6, or no fight at all? Is a defeat more damaging to a fighter's divisional standing than being on the proverbial "shit-list" with their boss?
The big question for "The Dragon" is how you match him up following the UFC 133 shake-up. Should we expect to see him toiling away in the middle of the pack against durable veterans like Vladimir Matyushenko? Or will he rot on the sidelines until the UFC needs to plug a few holes?
That, dear reader, is where you come in.
The Machida camp told reporters the fight was "too soon" and that it would be "unprofessional" to participate and not be fully prepared. The Zuffa camp says the Brazilians held them hostage for a major payday and beat feet when the UFC refused.
Maybe it was both, but the bottom line is Lyoto Machida is not fighting at UFC 133. Was turning down the Evans rematch the "right" choice?
Vote in our poll and let's hear your thoughts in the comments section below.
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Machida will be fine.
He just needs to be absolutely sure he wins his next fight lol.
by ChuteLegend on Jul 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ehhh
everyone, including DW, will be back on Machida’s bandwagon when (if) he wins his next fight. Not a problem at all.
lol, half the time even when he's winning
There’s not a whole lot of people tryin to jump on the bandwagon…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In fact, posters like OD are trying to set that bandwagon on fire!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Hey I been sayin Machida is overrated ever since his fight with Ortiz =P
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What about their first 2 encounters has you believing that?!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
Yeah, I am a Machida fan but the only way I see Machida winning the 3rd fight is if Rua's body has deteriorated. Rua's style is Machida's kryptonite.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
The first fight was extremely close...so let's scrap that....the rematch I think Lyoto came out a little over zealous...
…he was hitting Shogun, and he was taking him down…then he went in for a knee with his arms down (how often does Lyoto try the Uberknee, really?)….and Shogun ate him up…Lyoto probably felt the pressure b/c everyone said he lost the first fight…he could have avoided that overhand
I agree in principle but its hard to picture at this time. Maybe Machida has improved to counter that style but I think its a moot point. I imagine Rua is done physically as an elite fighter. That tap vs. JBJ seems like foreshadowing to me, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
should they fight again
I see it going more like their first fight..more of a tentative striking battle with Machida going back to being “elusive” and Shogun not pulling the trigger as quickly as in the second fight.
Yes. Especially since being overaggressive(sp) cost Machida in the rematch.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Machida uses that uberknee fairly commonly.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
he timed it beautifully to titos liver
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
He did fuck up Tito's liver, you're right...
…how could I forget about Tito’s liver…I’m so fucking stupid!
The first fight was only close...
because Rua respected the myth too much. Towards the later rounds, when Rua gained confidence, he really opened up against Machida. In the second fight the myth had faded and ultimately so did Machida’s consciousness. I don’t see anything changing in the 3rd fight.
However, I’ve said this before and I stand by it… MACHIDA is the only one in the division that I see giving JBJ a competitive fight, at this point.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
Agreed with your entire post.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Don't mind OD, Maniacs. His hate for Machida is pure and unfiltered. Haha!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
funny with how staunchly he defends Captain Paycheck
to turn around and do it to Machida
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It's easy to call a guy overrated when he's not even the champ and everyone's calling it "The Machida Era"
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
True but your complaint lies at Rogan's feet. I don't remember Machida ever proclaiming that nor his camp. You hate his style - I get it but don't attribute things to him that he is not responsible for. Your classic Randy argument, right? :)
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
That's not true either, wasn't he the one that said it was "the time of the dragon" or some BS like that
And Joe Rogan may have coined the phrase but a shit load of media jumped all over that one.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to call a guy overrated when he's not even the champ and everyone's calling it "The Machida Era"
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to call a guy overrated when he's not even the champ and everyone's calling it "The Machida Era"
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to call a guy overrated when he's not even the champ and everyone's calling it "The Machida Era"
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
damn i treid to get that in there 3 times but no dice
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are saying he is overrated?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
he overstated overrated.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
I don't think it can be overstated
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly. lol
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
If Dana was Vince McMahon, Machida's next fight would be
a 5 against 1 ladder match in a steel cage with himself as the guest referee.
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by SheepleBuster on Jul 14, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i think a fighter that takes a short notice fight deserves a padded pay...
they don’t get the 3 month min. to get ready..i dunno..i like machida..but he is right to not put himself on the losing side..but then again..pissing dana off insures future issues…i think if he loses his next fight that he takes..dana will prolly boot him out like a bitch because he can..and that sucks.
I dont think Dana boots him out that quickly
He knows Machida still has drawing power and still only has one decisive loss on his record. He isn’t going anywhere with just one loss.
by jestermarcus on Jul 14, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
taking a fight and losing means his paydays will decrease.
the person that honestly think Tito will be rewarded in the future for taking this fight if he comes up short is an idiot.
I am who i is.
Obviously, but i wasnt talking about Machida losing money
I was talking about Machida losing his employment. I don’t see that happening if he losing his next fight regardless.
by jestermarcus on Jul 14, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Being on Dana's shitlist doesn't mean...well, shite.
Suga was on the shitlist right before this and now is apparently being lauded by White. Dana changes his mind on a dime. He is the epitome of “what have you done for me lately.” One more highlight and Dana will love Machida again.
'It is what it is.' = worst saying ever
The bigger problem is...
The fact he demanded more money. If he had simply said no, noone would have thought any less, but now he looks like he’s more interested in the dolla!!!
Knowledge speaks, Wisdom listens
he only looks like that to fools
if your boss asks you to come in on sunday because there’s a lot of work, you expect to be paid double time
machida would have been taking a fight on three weeks notice against the number one contender who has had a full training camp. plus this one fight could set you back in your ranking for the belt, also you could lose sponsors. to ask for dana to make it worth your while considering how much money he’d be making for this ppv switcharoo (machida is bigger money than davis), it’s not greed, it’s business.
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...it paif off for Bones didn't it....(I guess that's why he's being pushed as GSP's heir and why so many people hate it)
….whoops, did I get off topic?
you said something about bones being p4p best and you defy anyone to argue that point
not saying it wont pay off. i think tito will win. i’m saying you can’t point fingers at machida considering the disadvantage he’d be at to ask to be compensated for taking this crazy risk. dana wants everyone to do this for the love of it, and expects being in the UFC to be enough for anyone. course he’s firing, retiring everyone in sight who isn’t lining his pockets at the same time. wont take a fight on a couple of weeks notice? then you’re a phoney, you’re not fighter you’re a slimey money grabbing piece of shit just trying to hack off a pound of flesh from dana white and dissapoint the fans, a fighter, a real fighter would fight the champ in the parking lot on 30 seconds notice even if it meant being so unprepared would cost him thousands of dollars from his income. bullshit
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i wont disagree with it being a great opporyunity either. but chida is/was one fight away from a title shot anyway.
better to have a full camp at this level with this much on the line.
i also agree with you that jon jones is p4p best fighter right now.
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
me and you decided jones was the p4p best
it’s all there in black and white
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
deny it and i'll sue
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well , it sucks for Machida becasue now the he is on danas shit list, we proably wont see him fight again for a good while. Once he does get a fight, i bet he wont get main event or Co-main event status and will be against someone Dana and UFC think can beat Machida….
Bring back the Chute Boxe of old!!!
the next fight that makes sense will probably be Phil Davis vs Lyoto Machida…..i think Davis can outpower Machida once and if he can get him in the clinch….
Bring back the Chute Boxe of old!!!
Watching how Lyoto deals wih the reach will be a good thing for him in preparing for Jones.
I’d like that fight.
by jestermarcus on Jul 14, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think machida wouldve beat rashad
Heck tito has a HUGE chance to do it also. Like I said before the layoff of Rashad his knee ligament injury that might take spring out of his step and off his TD not to mention it hasn’t been battle tested. Also the result of fighters coming off long layoffs and injury isn’t good at all. Not to mention this is Rashads first fight outside of the Jackson camp switching camps plays a big roll also. He won’t have jackson in his corner. Machida did miss this opportunity
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by moegonzalez on Jul 14, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
sure i can
You do it all the time haha jk but which other fight recently was outside Jackson camp was his first fight against tito?
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by moegonzalez on Jul 14, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh really i guess
I missed it. Its the best situation for tito though I think.
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by moegonzalez on Jul 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You all seem to forget...
that Dana said Lyoto commited to the fight, and then later decided to ask for more money as Dana was trying to finalize the fight. Would Lyoto have gotten the money had he asked for it initially anyway??? Probably not, but he also commited to, and backed out of a fight within two days. Kinda Bush League if you ask me.
by Captain America on Jul 14, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
Usually I would say Machida was right
But not this time. He has a win over Shad, who is coming off of a serious layoff, and will be unlikely to perform at or near 100%. Dana likes the guys who “want to fight.”
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OffTopic, but thought it's funny:
Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
SigBet with TheGreg on Rampage to beat Jones, his 2 weeks to my 1.
SigBets with kg12 on JDS to beat Cain and Nog to beat Schaub, 1 week each.
SigBet with Jay on Diaz not getting finished by GSP, 1 week.
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by IvanTheTerrible on Jul 14, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice, Free.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I think "wow... just, wow" is another saying that should die a horrible death.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
Sore-ass can encourage Lyoto to decline the fight but I don't think he can make the decision for him
He's probably the one that asked for the extra $$ tho
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That is very possible.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Or could have said Lyoto, big risk here. Maybe it would be worth it if we got more money. Or maybe Lyoto said I wont do it for less then $$$ amount.
Who knows
That is also possible PML. If we are obviously speculating then I doubt compensation for Soares is NOT somehow in the equation.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
well indirectly it is, which is motive for him to persuade Lyoto to not take the fight
lyoto loses, then Soares takes a hit
Take a hit off a fat joint, and then a line of coke off a Peruvian immigrant's ass...
..he gets paid nooooo matter what
he gets paid less if lyoto loses and becomes a piece of shit because he took a fight on short notice
I say they should have pulled Hendo from the Fedor fight
He’s the Strikeforce champ, and will obviously be ready come fight night. Dana could have made it happen. They could throw some lackey in with Fedor, who would probably win.
I'm your Supa Dupa Man. Here to save you from loneliness, protect you from the words "lack of sex," make your body feel magnificent. - R. Kelly
anyway
I’m more excited about the fights that are being shown on facebook, ie Pyle vs MacDonald and Pierce vs Hendricks
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This was a horrible decision by Lyoto…..horrible horrible call. It’s not only a fight I think he wins fairly easily which would put him right back in contention for the belt which I also think his style gives the best challenge to JJ……BUT…….asking for AS money….lol….come on I’m with Uncle Dana on this that is absurd. Let me preface that I am a huge Lyoto fan but no way has he accomplished even close to what AS has has the fan base or puts on as exciting fights.
So now he’s denied his chance at a fight he prob would of won that would of put him next in line for the title while pissing DW off and we all know that he will be bitten back for that, real hard like…..undercard here we come!!!
….and we all know that he will be bitten back for that, real hard like…..undercard here we come!
Not enough depth in the division at the top, so I believe he will be fine.
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SigBet with TheGreg on Rampage to beat Jones, his 2 weeks to my 1.
SigBets with kg12 on JDS to beat Cain and Nog to beat Schaub, 1 week each.
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Sure he can. 3 weeks is not enough time for a top contender like Shad. And not being paid for stepping in on short notice? That's a lose-lose for any fighter within striking distance of the title.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
*Not being paid an inflated amount.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
they probably offered him more than he usually gets paid
He just wanted more than what he’s worth is the problem.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida has nothing left to prove, he was already champ. Now he wants to secure his future and that of his family.
Asking for a lot of cash just makes sense against a high profile opponent on short notice. I see nothing wrong with that.
Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
20$ on Lil Nog versus Franklin against P-Dub.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
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Machida has nothing left to prove, he was already champ. Now he wants to secure his future and that of his family.
Asking for a lot of cash just makes sense against a high profile opponent on short notice. I see nothing wrong with that.
Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
20$ on Lil Nog versus Franklin against P-Dub.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
SigBets in profile details.
Great minds, Free.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Those are Dana's words, so take them with a grain of salt. Dana spews more bullshit than anyone else
Current bets:
20$ on Fedor to finish Hendo against ViolentMike.
20$ on Lil Nog versus Franklin against P-Dub.
20$ on Diaz NOT to get finished by GSP against Yan117.
SigBets in profile details.
I would too if you wanted me to risk my title shot against a tough fighter for less than a month of training.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
He's not up for a title shot
And he had an opportunity to fight a guy that’s probably not 100% coming off a year + lay off that he already beat pretty easily before.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. You are reaching.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
which part of that is reaching? The part where he's not up for a title shot, the part where Rashad has been on the shelf for 1+ years, or the part about how he already beat Rashad by KO pretty easily the last time they fought =P
You are really reachin in tryin to defend a really dumb decision on his part and the part of his management =P
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Jul 14, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha! You are too much. There should be a contest between you and NNR. Who hates more? You (Machida) or NNR (Randy). It would be epic. I would come in 3rd place (Kimbo).
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I understand what you are saying
but he still cant say that.
he can say “ill fight anyone if im giving enough time to prepare and paid enough money”
You think 3 weeks is enough time vs. Rashad? The $$$ is debateable. I don't think the time frame is, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Machida is a fraud and should be cut. How you going to tell everyone you’ll ‘fight anyone, anywhere, anywhen’ then decline a fight? He’s as fake as they come. Dana has EVERY right sacking his karate ish ass just to let everyone know that you ain’t bigger than the organization.
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that's what vince mcmahon said, until the stars left his organisation,went to wcw and wcw became bigger than wwe
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hey i never said it lasted forever
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince was so ruthless that he sent DX to the Monday Night Nitro to basically parade around the back, acting a fool, mocking the WCW superstars...that was real life
…no, I’m afraid Poppa Dana cannot match Vince’s utter disregard for human emotions
Don’t compare WWE too UFC, MMA doesn’t work like that. The UFC is the place to be for any MMA fighter.
Machida could leave with Anderson and Aldo and UFC would do just fine. No fighter is bigger than the UFC, especially not some chump Karate boy.
Mauricio Rua
Jon Jones
by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For about 1 year until they ran out of chumps for them to fight. This isn’t the WWE where you can line wrestlers up to fight each week with a different story line. MMA doesn’t work like that, we pay to see interesting fights.
Mauricio Rua
Jon Jones
by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, this is the ufc, where you make a reality show which spits out about 16 nobodies a season for you to line up and fight every two weeks
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you saw my post earlier. Don't play dumb
Anderson/Lombard
Machida/Mousasi (co-promote with Dream)
Jose/Curran (Bellator has a very deep 145 division. 4 or 5 fights for Aldo)
Not to mention guys like Jardine, Prangley, Khalidov, Vilasenor, Gomez, etc.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
And not 1 organization could afford to bring those guys in and put together a stacked card. Anderson vs butter bean? Yeah right, move ok.
Mauricio Rua
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
with dana's heavy axe and a lack of organisations. bellator or maybe at a push mfc
they’re gonna have to end up at one of them, either earn less or earn nothing
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting cans? If machida won’t accept 200k to fight you think he’s willing to fight for 50k against chumps?
These guys are PPV fighters, not wrestlers. After 3 fights then what? The UFC would counter them with every PPV. No other organization can compete with the UFC, you are dreaming.
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Organization maybe...but a promoter could put all the 3 on the same card, pay them each 250k, promote the hell out of the event... and still make at very least his money back...and that is at very least
…you go ahead and think that superstars like Jose, Anderson and Lyoto couldn’t get paid on the MMA circuit….you’re silly
bellator could with all the victims of dana's war on employment
50k sounds a lot better than 10k fighting in brazil.
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish all ufc fighter managers would get together in a big meeting and form a fighter's union.
I believe the UFC is criminally underpaying fighters and a little strike once in a while might be a good thing in the long run.
I love MMA and have a hard time living without it if it’s not on every week, but I respect the fighters more than my entertainment factor, I believe they should be highly paid and noone in the UFC should be paid 5k to show, not even newcomers.
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i'm of two minds. firstly the fighters should for sure get a union, strike and make more money.
secondly, i don’t want my ufc ppv’s to stop. i think i’d rather have fights to watch if i had to pick a side
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a tough choice forsure... I am dying here waiting for Strikeforce July 30th
Dream event on the weekend looks pretty weak, will just check out the Mousasi fight, he is one of my favorites.
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i gave up on the japanese cards a while ago. the last one i watched was the new years one
i do watch the bamma’s though. i’ll be sad to see strikeforce go. i tend to enjoy them more than ufc cards. only seen mousasi fight a couple of times. one of those was to king mo and i was very dissapointed after hearing so much about him.
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was a disappointing fight forsure.
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Until the org folds. Anderson’s PPV buys aren’t great right now and that’s fighting against the best in the world under the UFC. As for Aldo, he’s not a draw.
No one wants to watch good guys fighting bad guys when we can watch the UFC, that’s just how it is. This is a business. Fighting outside the UFC isn’t great great business for big name. Look at the history.
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the pride guys did alright in their time
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i was trying to troll the troll
make my replies shorter and shorter till i could get a long winded reply off just one word. but i’ve blown my cover now
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
which was why i was trying to troll. he was actually making sense this time
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you’re also one those hippies I see down the road on strike, screaming I hate the world. If you think Aldo who isn’t a draw, Anderson who really doesn’t sell huge, and Machida who is barely a headliner in the UFC can build get by without the UFCA you are stupid kid. Look what happened with affliction.
Don’t try talk business with me kid, i own several businesses.
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol I bet none of them are MMA businesses...which would make that comment irrelevant....
…you seem to forget Bellator has already established itself in the MMA market…you can’t just be skipping over facts bruh…adding 3 superstars can only be a good thing, ONLY
Because Pride was STACKED and had a huge audience over in Japan. That’s no longer the case, and even Pride folded in the end.
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by danago on Jul 14, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious though, because he seem serious...
…you don’t think Bellator would benefit greatly if those 3 fighters joined their organization? You don’t think Anderson would still get paid “Anderson money”….
dream
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana hasn't monopolized MMA just yet folks...
…there are plenty other promoters out there…just like how NBA players can go to Europe and get paid, MMA fighters can go to other organizations and get paid…especially when you’re superstars like Jose, Anderson and Lyoto….the Fertittas aren’t the only people with money folks….shiiiiiit, some Sultan prince in Saudi Arabia could decide he wan’t to host an event
Harsh Words
But thats alot of truth
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jul 14, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth be told, a fight with Rashad requires adequate preparation....but it works vice versa, Rashad would have to prepare for someone new...
…my only beef with Lyoto here is that Jones did it, and became a champion.
did anyone else read the excerpt from Dana's mothers e-book she wrote?
someone fan posted it here but it was removed
A good deal of Dana’s power obviously comes from the extraordinary amount of money he has acquired in the last few years. When you have that much money, everyone wants to be your friend, your pal, your buddy, a member of your entourage. True friends are the ones that were there before the houses, cars, planes, fancy trips, and extravagant parties. True friends are the ones who would share a peanut butter sandwich with you when your refrigerator was empty and so were your pockets.
His next response was not what I had expected either. It was a good thing for him I was on the east coast and he was in Las Vegas. I was so angered by his replies. My blood pressure had to be at stroke level. We did not speak for an extended period after that. This was the upshot of the changes in my son, and it seems to me partly due to a mythology that grew up around him and that he did nothing to correct. In fact, he seems to have helped spread these tales. It is time to set the record straight about who Dana White was and who he has become.
As early as when the UFC had just begun to turn around and the company was making a profit, I could see changes in Dana that bothered me. I would always tell him, "Keep your feet on the ground. Remember who you are and where you came from. Don’t let your head get so big you can’t fit through a doorway."
He always responded the same way: "You do not have to ever worry about that."
These negative changes in Dana became more and more noticeable. I kept hoping Dana would recognize that he was becoming a different person, that there seemed to be a correlation between his increasing wealth and his increasing unkindness to those around him. I thought he would take a step back and look at what it was he was doing to friends and family. As his mom, if anyone could or should say something, I felt it would be me. Indeed, most people take advice from their moms as constructive, at least as well intended. In an e-mail, I told my son that I wanted my old Dana back. I felt like aliens had abducted my Dana and replaced him with this other person I really did not know. I assumed he would at least think about what I had said and about what it was, he was doing, but his response was the furthest thing from stepping back and thinking about what I had just told him.
Dana immediately e-mailed me back: "Who the fuck do you think you are, talking to me like that? No one talks to me that way."
Of course, after the initial shock faded, I shot back, "I am your mother, that is who I am, and don’t you ever forget that. I am not one of your fighters or employees!" That was exactly my point in my initial email to him, that he was treating people as if they were less than deserving of common courtesy and respect.
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haha ya, especially that part:
Dana immediately e-mailed me back: “Who the fuck do you think you are, talking to me like that? No one talks to me that way.”
“I am your mother, that is who I am, and don’t you ever forget that. I am not one of your fighters or employees!”
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Here is some more:
Dana went from being a true friend, a good son, and a truly nice person to being a vindictive tyrant who lacks any feelings for how he treats others. It is hard to say if what changed him so utterly was the extreme amount of money he came into so quickly, the influence of those around him, or how suddenly he could make or break so many people. Power can create ugly beasts. In meetings that were not going Dana’s way, he has told me, he would stand up at the conference table, (creating a psychological advantage), holler, and swear at individuals he was dealing with. He would tell them, "I’ll bury you!" Dana has a very short fuse and it does not take a whole lot to set him off on a totally out-of-control tirade. These days he always gets what he wants, no matter what it takes to get it. His employees will echo that same powerful statement: he will do whatever it takes to get what he wants.
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Just to be fair - everyone hates on you when you are at the top, especially if you don't throw money their way.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
No doubt, it's just funny that his mom wrote a $8.99 ebook haha
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yeah
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Yeah i think it's dsigraceful he would email his mother like that
I argue with mum ehere and there – i tell her to fuck off and she tells me … but there is always reflection time… apologies and moving forward together because sometimes your family are the only ones who will truly be there…
I have usually liked DW – liked his arrogance etc… good businessman. After reading this i hope he has a lonely end of his life. i hope all the people he has left behind leave him for good because some people just dont deserve good people or true friends to stick around if they treat them like dirt.
Dana = not a good person on the very basic level. i dont care what he does to fighters/employees… everyone has a manager they dont like in their lives… But shit – dont make out you’re more important than the one who sacrificed everything to bring you here… Whiny little fuckin bitch. I’d choke that cunt
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she might just be trying to get some dough. but an $8.99 ebook might not be the way to go
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should have gone for the tv movie right?
i’d sure as shit watch that
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
damn right!
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Please enjoy this old ass picture of Uncle Dana
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jul 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
is that the mexican dude who had 5 belts in xfc or wherever, tony robinson, tony lopez, tony estefan?
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Lyoto have to prove by fighting Evans at short notice?
He already destroyed him once.
I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
Stop using logic.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I don’t think you have the right answer in your selections. I would say it was the right decision because he’s already beat Rashad. Why would he risk losing to a guy he’s already beat on such short notice?
Because it's for the number one contender...
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