Chris Leben and Chael Sonnen: Two 'animals' who wanted to fight Rashad Evans at UFC 133
by Jesse Holland on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
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When Phil Davis had a falling out with his knee, Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) had to scramble to replace him in the main event of UFC 133 on Aug. 6 in Philadelphia.
But finding a light heavyweight to challenge Rashad Evans on short notice is no easy task.
Aside from "Suga" being a former 205-pound champion with a record of 15-1-1, the fight is less than a month away, which is probably why Tito Ortiz, who worked so hard to regain some traction at UFC 132 back on July 2, initially turned the fight down.
It may also be the reason why Lyoto Machida demanded "Anderson Silva money" to take the fight.
Of course, such petty obstacles like money and training are the plight of mortal men, not "animals" like Chris Leben and Chael Sonnen, who both chased down UFC President Dana White to get a piece of the Evans pay-per-view pie.
"We got lots of guys that are animals, you know what I mean," Dana asked Mauro Ranallo on The Fight Show. "Like (Chris) Leben. Leben wanted the fight. Leben wanted to take the fight, Chael Sonnen wanted the fight. But those guys are 185-pounders. And I appreciate their desire, their fire but no, we want guys that are 205-pounders that are real fights at 205."
Like Ortiz, Leben is fresh off a first round destruction at UFC 132 earlier this month. Unlike Ortiz, "The Crippler" is only a middleweight. That means a significant weight disadvantage against Evans, one of the sport's better wrestlers.
Sonnen, himself a talented mat technician and a fairly large 185-pounder, may have fared a little better. Unfortunately he's already booked to throw hands opposite Brian Stann at UFC 136 in October.
The good news is Tito came around and decided to rematch Evans when Machida declined. The even better news is that "animals" like Chris Leben and Chael Sonnen fight for the UFC.
Anyone think either of those two middleweights can make some noise at 205?
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Sonnen used to fight at 205 and Shad could easily make 185.
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i like that fight better than ortiz/evans 2. the trash talk would be epic.
Magneto: "Excuse me, I'm Erik Lensherr."
Professor X: "Charles Xavier."
Wolverine: "Go fuck yourself."
And Sonnen is a better wrestler despite the supposed size disadvantage.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 14, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
chael fought at 205 b4 and found very little success..
leben has no business against a lhw wrestler who like gsp is afraid to stand with anyone
LOL
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I still love the Babalu fight
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at that fight live!!!!
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed it just wouldn't be smart.
And Babs fight with Sonnen was the one that made me a fan
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
im talking about actually striking...not just jabbing.
its been about 2 years since shad had the confidence to use his boxing! since machida stanky legged him!
gsp hasnt actually fought since the fitch and bj penn fights!
Well...in regards to Evans...after he fought Machida, he fought Silva and Rampage..both strikers...Rashad's bread and butter isn't striking...
…so why wouldn’t he want to take the fight where he has the biggest advantage? Doubt he wanted to get stanky legged again
John your GSP comments are silly
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought GSP was giving Kos and Alves the beats pretty badly....I also thought GSP was absolutely embarrassing Hardy...
…damn I must have been watching a low quality stream or something
no homo? lol
I thought GSP was giving Kos and Alves the beats pretty badly
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There is no reason he should, he fights smart no scared,
but John does not have too many positive things to say about Rashad, especially since he beat one of his favorites Rampage, who was supposed to be “light years ahead” and superior in every way. Nothing Rashad could do would be good enough.
ain't any bigger than BIG head Leben or BIG head Sonnen
both have huge noggins
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Plus, he started at HW
It would be tough for him to get to 185 and stay in good shape imo
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by enzo-enormous on Jul 14, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Florian started as a MW
look at him now.
I might have made this up, but I’m pretty sure at the 120 fan expo that someone asked Rashad at the Q and A if he could make 185 and I’m pretty sure he said he could as he won titles wrestling at a lower weight than that.
You said Rashad said he won wrestling championships at a lower weight...that is true for many of the UFC fighters...
…but if you think about it, he’s 31, he would have been competing like 10 years ago…that’s a long time
As i said, he'd know surely??
I really dont think its a stretch, Shad is definitely an undersized LHW, we aint talking about Forrest Griffin making the cut.
Rashad isn't that undersized bruh...he's on the short side for the division yup, but not weight wise....he probably weighs around 220lbs on fight night
…damn, if he fought Davis we would’ve been able to settle this…
I honestly think Davis would have outwrestled Rashad
I think Rashad would have tried to keep it standing and capitalize on Davis weaknesses in the standup area. Whats up w/ Davis anyway? He gets “injured” and disappears off the map. Why isn’t be being interviewed at least?
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was it that bad?
weird how we’re not getting any more details on Davis’s injury…when it happened to any other main event fighter, they covered it a lot more
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other than:
“aaaarrrrghhh my fucking knee, give me pain killers!” i don’t think he’s commenting on much.
that doesn’t leave you with much to cut out an article, right?
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
poor dude
hope its not career threatening. So close to his first main event and for a possible title shot too…damn
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Second main event
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
^ this
in time he’ll be ready but this was a safe bet for rashad, even with the ring rust.
i have no doubt in my mind that phil will do as much if not surpass what jones is doing but it’s not his time just yet
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
i have no doubt in my mind that phil will do as much if not surpass what jones is doing
Nah, really? The difference is the confidence and the creativity in the striking department. Jones took to striking like duck to water. Davis on the other hand looks like a fish outta water when he’s striking
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He's made a great deal of improvment
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
for sure he has
but what Im talking about is comfortability. Jones was in MMA fights doing shit he learned off of youtube and wasnt scared to just let that shit go
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throwing a plethera of front head kicks against a striker like Nog took balls too.
Also his ground techniques are very intuitive themselves
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
what was the argument?
Can Rashad make weight at 185? From his own fucking mouth Rashad says he can.
I don’t know why I bother with you kiddies that only want to argue.
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big difference
one of the guys you named has a history of hard work. One is just supremely gifted.
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Which is which?
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, where you going with this Ulf?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
meh
bad analogy.
One has always been chubby, one has not.
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no arguement here homie
just saying no interest in seeing Rashad at 185
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We can't take everything said by a fighter seriously...
Anthony Johnson proved that when he said he only said he would go to MW to stir up some interest from the fans
So we should all take your word over Rashad's?
Because, you probably do know his body better than he does, I mean, you seen it on television and the internets like 3 dozen times, right?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
AJ cuts from 220 to 170 I'm sure Rashad could go to 185
Rashad is shorter and has comparable muscle mass.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And he was fat as shit
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Rogan was prolly two 8 balls deep when he said that
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he's up to 220
I’m sure Rashad could make 185 without much dificulty
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
At 5,11
I doubt it, he’d prolly be a bit chunkier.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You can call me whatever you like, as long as you realize that Rashad knows himself better than you know him
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
CHAEL IS AN ANIMAL..
the dude is a bad matchup for anybody and is one of the few NEVER afraid to fight anybody!!
Chael is a bum
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen could have been interesting but I have no desires to see Leben fight at 205
BUT, big props to both for the willingness.
These two are REAL fighters.
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Meh....don't give them too much props...I think they both knew their chance of getting the fight wasn't realistic before the requested it...it's all a ploy..
….getting Sonnen licensed 3 weeks away from the event would be a headache
very true
getting Sonnen licensed 3 weeks away from the event would be a headache
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Plus Sonnen is already booked to fight Stann
The UFC wouldn’t want to risk Sonnen getting injured and then ruining his fight with Stann that has major implications on the MW title picture.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
who ya got?
Stann or Sonnen. I can see Stann shocking everyone with his improved wrestling. Those Marines are some driven mofos.
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You meant Stann right?
Sonnen has the benefit of training with A LOT of wrestlers so he has a chance…plus he seems to hit extremely hard
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all i had to read was the thing about hitting extremely hard and i knew you ment stann lol
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but, but
Sonnen knocked down the best fighter ever remember? That one time…when he lost. By triangle. Again.
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I got Sonnen winning.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
depends on how cage rust affect chael.
take cage rust out of the equation and i would pick chael to beat stan 7 out of 10 times!
imo cHAEL SHOULD ONLY BE BOOKED TO FIGHT BRAZILIANS!
I really hope Chael trash talks Stann once we get closer
I’ve never been a Stann fan.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too VM
I really dont like Stann, far too All American American, say your prayers and eat your vitamins kids. Comes across too preachey by far to me.
Which makes me wonder about the Stann/Sonnen match up...
..Dana has said that Stann has the potential to be a superstar because of his personality…so I wonder, does Dana think Stann can beat Sonnen (which would no doubt propel his career)?
He made a comment a while back that was a long the lines of "love it or leave it"
And that got on my nerves
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait for Stann to nap Sonnen so we never have to hear about him again.
The dude has been in the game over a decade, has had for the most part a very middling career, never really talked about. Then he gets on the juice, get’s a couple wins, and gives Silva a good fight(while on the juice), and everyone talks about him like he’s some fucking monster. Just a coincidence that the guy has been middle of the pack for a decade, and then makes a run at the title once he starts TRT? He’s a lying, cheating, jabber-jaw POS, and I really hope Stann destroys him. With the way Stann has looked recently, and with Sonnen coming off the layoff, and probably without the TRT, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
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Wrestling is gonna be a problem for Stann
After what Phil did to him I have no doubt that Chael can do the same.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's very possible, but I think Stann very well could take it.
With the layoff, and especially if there’s no TRT, I think Stann takes it. Prior to the TRT Chael was a middling fighter losing to the Terry Martin’s and Jeremy Horn’s of the world. I just really find it hard to believe that without the TRT he is going to be at the top of the division still. He spent over a decade being a middle of the road fighter no one heard much about. He hasn’t evolved his skillset. Only one thing changed, TRT. Stann is a brute and has been constantly evolving. I’m not a big fan or anything, but considering all factors, I put this is at even money. Davis is bigger and much more athletic than Sonnen.
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sure they know it's more dough and helps the UFC
but i really think Sonnen and Leben just love fighting at it’s purest form. They love being in a main event, they love throwing all caution to the wind. I think both could beat Evans but Sonnen alot more likely.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Jul 14, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
doesnt matter
Leben touches Rashads chin and its over
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don't think Chael would have a chance?
I’d say that one would actually be a bad match up for Rashads game. He struggled with Bisping who’s a 185er now
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Im just biased
I used to be a Rashad fan back on TUF2 all the way up to him beating Forrest. As of late though, I can’t stand the dude. Mainly because Im such a Rampage mark TBH
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totally read something else at first look
Rashad would wipe his clock
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Rampage mark?
Those still exist?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they exist...some guys from my area go nuts over Rampage
…it also seems like majority of Rampage lovers are also JDS lovers, and vice versa…just an observation
JDS is awesome
but I always gonna be down with Mr. Brown Pride regardless. Velasquez made all us with tans proud, lol
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man that would be so awesome
think Cain would take it with his wrestling
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I think thats where most of the Rashad hate comes from
Both he and Rampage acted like children when they coached TUF. But hey, it happens when egos collide. There are a lot of Rampage fans and they tooks sides. So now everyone hates Evans because Rampage does. Just a theory though
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I'm a Page mark, and I still think Rashad is alright.
Honestly, I should probably hate Page, but I’ve always liked the guy. He’s one of a couple fighters that I’m a nuthugger of.
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He is just inside the UFC MW top 10 I think.
Right around there anyway. But it wouldn’t be that exciting of a fight, he’d just get taken down and held there. Sonnen vs Rashad would be good.
by jestermarcus on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rashad MAY have the power to do it.
But I’m not convinced, he’s knocked out Forrest and Chuck……….. cool story bro. I think its more likely that he tags Leban, and if he hurts him, immediately tries to take him down. I don’t think he could take a shot or two from Leban, even Zombie Leban.
by jestermarcus on Jul 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His last two fights were against Silva and Rampage...two giant hitters...come on man...if you hate Rashad, fine...but you gotta admit Leben wouldn't be the most dangerous hitter Shad has faced...
…not even close….and even if he does tag him then take him down, he could finish Leben on the mat….Leben is a game fighter, but Rashad is on a different level by far
Dude,
Thiago had two KO’s in the last three years when he fought Rashad and when was the last time Rampage knocked someone out. Silva?
Leben is knocking dudes out all the time.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure but when was the last time either guy knocked someone out?
Fuck technique if it lands flush it still works.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Technique helps for both offense and defense...Leben would get wrecked by Thiago, Rampage and Rashad
Rampage, but I'm not sure about Thiago and especially Rashad.
His striking technique kinda sucks
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a lot of head movement just for some reason it doesn't seem to be effective.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Leben is clearly a top 10 MW. what are u smoking?
1. Anderson Silva
2. Chael Sonnen
3. Yushin Okami
4. Vitor Belfort
5. Brian Stann
6. Chris Leben
7. Mark Munoz
8. Demian Maia
9. Michael Bisping
10. Rousimar Palhares
by UFC Champ 420 on Jul 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Vitor hasn't won a fight at MW in 2 years.
How is he #4?
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Who said Leben was top ten?
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Who said he wasn't?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Bizzy is above Leben
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Bisping and Leben should be neck and neck now that I think about it...
Bisping beat Leben…both beat Akiyama…Leben hit Wanderlei with the Krakken…Wanderlei hit Leben and Bisping with the ol’ right-left-right-left-right-left-right-left-right-left but only beat Bisping
Leben is probably #5 and Stann is #4
Vitor doesn’t belong on the top 10 until he wins a fight at MW IMO
They should be fighting each other
they wanna fight so bad, itd be cool for Dana to say fuck it and match em up on that card and move one of the main card fights to the prelims.
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Hmmm...so they request the fight knowing that Dana would say thanks but no thanks...
…damn these guys know how to promote themselves…I can’t knock them…that’s pretty genious
I believe that Leben genuinely wants the fight.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Leben is a game fighter...it is possible he really did want that fight...he's taken a fight on short notice before...
…either way, I think Uncle Dana knows that Leben would get mauled by Rashad
fure sure, but Leben has a chance.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It was on Wiman/Siver
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Bull shit I know
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They should have pulled Dan Henderson
Fuck the Fedor Fight. He’s the Champion, and currently mid camp. We know the UFC could make it happen. I’d love to see Hendo smash Shad
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