UFC 133: Dana White 'loves and respects' Rashad Evans ... but is 'disappointed' in the Lyoto Machida camp
by Jesse Holland on Jul 14, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
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UFC 133: "Pigs Fly" is all set to go down from the Wells Fargo Arena on Aug. 6 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, featuring a reworked main event between former light heavyweight champions Rashad Evans and Tito Ortiz.
Ortiz replaces the injured Phil Davis, who blew out his knee in training camp and was forced to withdraw.
That left the promotion scrambling for a replacement. When "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" initially declined the offer. The Zuffa brass promptly made a call to Brazil and had what they thought was a lock in Lyoto Machida.
That is, until camp "Dragon" decided to hold the UFC hostage and demand a short-notice ransom.
All the while, Evans simply kept on truckin', telling UFC President Dana White he would fight whoever they put in front of him. A rather amiable approach, considering the recent potshots White took at the former "Ultimate Fighter" champion in recent months.
Aside from calling him "insane" for not taking a fight while "Shogun" Rua was hurt, he also informed him the window was closing on his title shot and blasted him with an "I told you so" moment following the UFC 128 fiasco.
Move over Bruce Buffer, as we now have the Dana 180.
White told The Fight Show with Mauro Ranallo last night (July 13) that he now "loves and respects" Evans for the way he handled this entire ordeal.
Take a look.
"I gotta tell you what, the one thing I really love and respect about Rashad Evans through this whole thing, it didn't matter. He says, 'It doesn't matter who you call and tell me I'm fighting, I'm ready. Whoever you get to fight, I'm ready to fight ... Obviously I'm pretty disappointed with (the Lyoto Machida camp) that that was what they came back to me with when they said they would take the fight and then that was their answer, number one. And number two, why are you calling me and terrorizing me all the time that you want to fight, you want to fight, you want to fight and then when a fight pops up like this, that's what you say? You know, it is what it is. Whatever."
While "Suga" joins Oritz on the UFC sweetheart list, the same can't be said for Lyoto Machida and his band of merry men. White was "disappointed" over the way the Brazilian waffled on participating in the UFC 133 main event, demanding "Anderson Silva money."
That probably came as a shock to the fight boss, who made these comments to MMA Live regarding Machida's wallet back in April:
"This is what I think happened; A guy goes through his entire career, he's got this incredible elusive style, nobody can figure him out, he's explosive, got knockout power, but then once you start making a lot of money, it starts messing with your head and you start doing things differently."
UFC 133 is all about opportunity.
Rashad Evans has a chance to reclaim his status as division number one contender while Tito Ortiz can capitalize on his momentum from UFC 132 and finalize the resurrection of his career with an upset win in "The City of Brotherly Love."
It's also about missed opportunities.
Lyoto Machida, himself a former light heavyweight champion, might have stolen the 205-pound title shot and staked his claim to the winner of Jon Jones vs. "Rampage" Jackson. Now, the closest he'll come to the championship belt is from the stands.
At least for now.
So how about it Maniacs? The chips have fallen and the UFC 133 main event mayhem has finally worked itself out. Now that the dust has settled, are you happy with the outcome? Why or why not?
Opinions, please.
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THIS^^^
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the problem with dana is he treats fighting like a business and expects the fighters to treat it like it's a passion
but when a fighter turns round and talks business in a situation he calls them money grabbing bums.
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by sir.tickleberry on Jul 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
dana is just a goof. why the fuck would Machida take a fight on 3 weeks notice to fight a guy he already destroyed easily enless you get paid more to do so
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He’s 2-2 in his last four and knocking out Randy didn’t give him too much to negotiate with. If he already destroyed Rashad once, why not take the easy fight since he’s not lined up for anything and healthy? Ortiz did the smart thing took a rematch (for his draw) while the pot is hot.
Machida could’ve had an easy win against a top 5 lhw who had spent the whole camp getting ready for a wrestler with sub-par striking. Rashad wouldn’t have had time to adjust to Machida’s striking style where as Machida is more then comfortable fighting Boxer/Wrestlers. Now instead he just gets more ring rust? I completely agree with BLAF on this,
Machida hasn’t done enough lately to make 2/3’ds of what Anderson rakes in, and he really did pass up an opportunity. A chance to be the Main event, on a pay per view, where he would’ve been the favorite to win, with everything a win would bring to his career, even including the back stage bonus’s and company cred if he somehow lost, since he helped out the boss on short notice.
Mismanaged is all I can think. Good for Ortiz at the end of the day.
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by Pillow Pants on Jul 14, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If everyone is only as good as their last fight then everyone coming off a win deserves to be paid AS money
note to be confused with A.S.S. money
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I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jul 15, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Machida too. :(
Irony is the clash of opposites. It is the juxtaposition of what is expected against what happens; what you know and what you think you know. And... Most people don't get it.
What a cluster for Machida
I still think we’re not getting the full story, Dana isn’t exactly truthful debbie. That being said Machida does have some PR repair to do.
In my opinion, as soon as Tito found out Machida had turned it down for whatever reason he used that as an oppportunity to ask for some PPV points and possibly a contract extension.
Machida tried cashing in and to be honest it was smart Dana didnt pay. Tito is a bigger draw then Machida which means to save an event that loses its main event he would need something big.
Still don't think Tito's a bigger draw
He hasn’t drawn a penny since 66 when Chuck smashed him again and he was on his way out until he pulled off the upset of the year against Bader. Surely people would rather pay to see the guy who smashed both Rashad and Tito than either of those 2 and his PPVs have done better numbers than the last few of Tito’s.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Well true in our audience the normal casual watchers the targeted audience of the non casuals mostly recognize Tito then Machida.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tito's a bigger mainstream name but that hasn't translated into PPV buys
The biggest show he’s been a part of since losing to Chuck was 84 when Machida smashed him in the 3rd main fight. He’s hardly the ratings draw that he was in his prime yet he gets paid and fastracked like he is.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Still, on a short notice situation Tito is easily the more marketable to sell on 3 weeks
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He flopped the last time he was given the chance to main event a PPV
And he’ll flop this time. If this PPV does more than 400k it’ll be a miracle.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
The main event lets it down
Vitor-Sexyama is another waste of time as well, as are all Sexyama fights until his cardio improves dramatically.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
does it matter?
the first quote show why the second quote doesn’t fucking matter. this is why Lyoto just needs to keep his head down and win his next fight. Dana will find a new fighter to be pissed at. (i here Kos is coming back)
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Next guy who asks for the same pay as an overrated has been on an inflated contract to take a big fight
I’m thinking it’ll be Fitch who asks for decent money or a decent fight next time, after being overlooked in favour of a BJ-Condit fight I wouldn’t be surprised by that happening at all as there’s no way he’s taking another irrelevant fight at this stage of his career.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Personally, I can't wait till the FTC comes down hard on the UFC
We need to stop encouraging large corporations being predatory and destroying every other player in their markets, leaving fighters with no bargaining power.
Unfortunately, our corporatist government is so gutless they won’t do anything to the UFC. I like UFC fighters but no way in hell Dana should have this much power and fighters with no place to go but UFC.
Where could Machida go if he wanted to leave UFC? In any other industry, this would be anti-trust written all over it. But not in MMA.
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by SheepleBuster on Jul 14, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I’d prefer there to be 5 or 6 major orgs. so we’d never know who the best are. And I also think I don’t have enough PPV charges on my cable bill. I’d like to buy a PPV every week from various random orgs.
Oh, and who could forget about the way the UFC has most of the best fighters fighting for them. I hate that shit. I want all the best fighters spread out across as many different orgs. as humanly possible, I hate it when they get to actually fight each other.
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one or a couple weight classes (far from eachother) in every org
very doable
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
And we just buy a PPV every week?
No thanks.
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what if they're all on tv?
do we tune in to a different channel every weekend? meh, maybe
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
You know of a bunch of MMA orgs. that can survive on cable?
So far in North America we’re like 0 for 4.
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you're just a mean big party pooper!
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also realistic about Fedor
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Like any "free market"
prices would decrease and quality of programming would increase. At least until one organization gained an upper hand on the others and buys them out…so the cycle can continue.
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There's no anti-trust in pro wrestling either
Despite WWE being the only successful promotion, the former TNA have been bleeding money since they were founded, there’s no money in the independent scene and the Japanese scene is dead just like Japanese MMA. The Americans have done nothing to stop one major promotion/league from dominating each sport and taking all the talent and money, it’s a bigger problem than just the UFC monopolising MMA and to punish 1 would set a precedent that would be near impossible to go through with.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
it funny that when you're a yes-man dana loves you and promotes you like you the next best thing..
but as soon as you disagree, he puts that bad press on you and promotes you as the company douch bag..
machida doesn’t deserve this shit talk.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
No way man, dana is above such petty things.
And he never lies. He’s never ever in the history of lying gone back on his word and changed his opinion. Which is why i feel bad for Machida. How can he ever get back into his good graces? It’s impossible.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
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i almost want
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop Rec'ing.
You look gay
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
haven't you heard? i'm from BE
we aren’t above using the site’s built in features in the way they were intended to be used.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the green that ruins it
An “agreed” or “+1” works just as well and doesn’t blind me with that evil colour. And fuck you spellcheck for trying to tell me that the English spelling of colour is wrong.
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When you rec it you are acting cowardly.
Its like you don’t want people to know you like the comment.
When you put the +1, everyone knows you like it and agree with it.
But again, I’m not going over all of this with you again.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1.
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except i publicly complimented him on it?
such a whiny fag you are. STOP DOING THINGS I DO NOT LIKE WAH
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not the only one, not even close
Also, you only do it because you know it pisses some of us off. Or, I should say, we love to over react and act pissed, but its all the same. All of this talk about piss got me needing to take one. Open up, fag!
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or you could try complying with the accepted norms of our site instead of being a contrarian little bitch who wants to turn a superior site into Bloody Vag II.
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+1
I, ViolentMike agree with this comment.
Also, if I was a bitch or enjoyed cock, I would have simply hid and clicked the rec button.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
or every other sbnation blog?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
what's wrong with green?
it ain’t easy being it, that’s for sure
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's as bad as that joke
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I already turned you in to the IRA
expect a knock on your door any day now English pigdog…
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a suggestion. Do NOT respond to him. Then he won't rec, he won't be engaged in any trash talk and then he will be forced to go back to BE.
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100% agreed
Machida took the business approach by asking for a large raise to compete, on short notice, for a #1 contender match. Dana wanted a risk free investment and didn’t get it. For some reason he believes that fighters should be begging for shots like this and do it for free. This is a business first, and every time a fighter gets lambastedi the press by Dana, he creates a potential defector to another promotion. And if Dana pisses enough guys off, he might lose an entire camp. How funny would it be for the entire Blackhouse roster to demand a fuck-ton more money when their next contract is up?
What would be just deserts is Tito beating Rashad and ruining the title picture. I am sure Dana will come up with a way to spin Tito’s 2 fight win streak as being deserving, but I sure as fuck won’t buy the ass-beating Bones will give Tito.
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Dana didnt do anything bad at all. Machida asked for Anderson Silva money, Machida doesnt generate anything that would justify that. Machida has a contract and has a delegated amount of money per fight. This isnt a week notice fight, if Machida had in fact been asking for a fight then he should be happy one came up. From a guy who is on the outside looking in for the title he had his opportunity and blew it.
taking a fight on 3weeks notice to save a main event justified asking for that much, imo.... i doubt he wanted his entire contract changed for good.. he wanted a bigger bonus for one fight(favor).
Machida asked for Anderson Silva money, Machida doesnt generate anything that would justify that.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Open Soares have his grubby little hands in this mess? If so, it only serves as further proof that JDS was right to fire his ass.
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of course he had his hands on this deal..
he’s just trying to recoop some of the money he will lose since JDS fired him.. 0% of juniors title fight money isn’t that much these days.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't doubt it for a second
and if that’s the case, fuck soares, he ruined a magnificent fight (if that’s the case)
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Jds already said he and Soares remain remain friends and the split occurred so Jds can take a different route so don’t twist it like Soares did anything really wrong.
And also, Soares has been an awesome manager. Fans may hate him but he has always done big things for his guys
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please name said "big things"
He doesn’t train them. He holds their clothes while they fight and then butcher everything they try to say in interviews. What is it he does that is so important?
He’s a glorified interpreter with no skills to impart on his minions.
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As someone who does similar things for my guys like Soares does. He gets his guys money, gets them marquee fights for marquee events. He has helped his guys come up, don’t think for a second Aldo’s rise would have been as epic if Soares hadn’t been involved.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha
If it weren’t for Soares Aldo wouldn’t have won those fights?
Aldo is where he’s at because of his fight results. You don’t need Soares when nobody your size can beat you. Winners get contracts and fights because they are winners, not because their manager. Most of his guys don’t even need managers, the UFC will still let them fight based on their talents.
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He helped with his career progression. Right fights for the right time, worthwhile money for where he is at. A manager deserves a lot more respect then there given
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yup.
Soares is obviously a smart man and protects his fighters from being entirely controlled by the UFC. which is why Dana ofc thinks he’s a douche bag.
I am who i is.
Lol true
Soares is a great manager, he’s helped his stable of fighters make the money that their talent deserves. Dana doesn’t like anyone who is as hard a negotiator as him.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
You've been in on the negotiations?
So you would know how Soares operates?
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Do you really think the fighters negotiates their own money at that level?
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they would be stupid not to
wouldn’t they be stupid if they didn’t have any say on how much money do they want for a fight?
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
And why pay Ed to do what they can do themselves.
Ed isn’t getting special treatment from Dana. Matter of fact, I’d bet Dana would prefer to talk to fighters over that leech.
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Andy is probably business savvy by now but guys like Aldo and Nunes who are young and come from poverty will have no idea how to negotiate
I don’t need to be present at the negotiations (would be nice though) to know that Ed is trying to get as much money as possible for his guys and getting them the fights they want and are arguably best for them because that’s what a manager with a large stable of successful fighters does.
MMAsts aren’t exactly the brightest bulbs, they need someone to protect their interests and to deal with the likes of Dana to get the best possible deal. It wouldn’t take much to get a young guy from a poor background like Nunes or Aldo to cave in to Zuffa’s demands and sign a deal below their worth.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Ed is trying to get as much money as possible for his guys
not out of the goodness of his heart, he just wants a bigger pay cut
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
What does that have to do with anything?
And yes, I think some of the fighters are smart enough to negotiate their own contracts.
A trainer could negotiate for Black House fighters. They don’t need a translator to do that for them. If all he does is translate and negotiate contracts, I don’t think he’s very useful. Definitely not important enough for me to have to see his stupid face every event.
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You’d be surprised how useful he could be
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’d be surprised as to hoe useful he is. There is a reason he has marquee fighters.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very few if any fighters negotiate their own contracts
All sportsmen have agents or managers to do that for them. Some like Jake Shields are lucky and have relatives who do all of that for them whilst others like Black House rely on a guy like Soares to get the best possible deal and put their trust in him. Expecting the fighters to negotiate their own deals is very naive and unrealistic.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
yeah, it's not like aldo was exciting on his own. This epic rise is all soares
previous to ed soares i wouldn’t even believe aldo could double knee ko a motherfucker in 8 seconds
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Maybe you didn’t understand. I never said Soares trained Aldo.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i never said that either
i’m stating that aldo is exciting enough on his own to market himself, plus his background is compelling to fucking anyone and it’s right there for the ufc to exploit, soares is not needed for that
as for you reply to jay above: soares didn’t get him those fights, joe silva & sean shelby did
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Not entirely true
Match makers make fights obviously but they do not do it all. The managers responsibility is to make the call to get the fights, the right fights at that.
What if they gave Aldo a shot at the title too soon and blew it? Now the kid isn’t as marketable doesn’t terrorize the division and is still on the up and up? Soares also makes sure each contract gets more enticing for Aldo each time.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and you know this for a fact?
Soares also makes sure each contract gets more enticing for Aldo each time.
if you’re that close to either soares or aldo, tell soares i said “fuck you, bitch and stop getting on the way of the camera, i wanna see the fighters, not your ugly mug”
also
Match makers make fights obviously but they do not do it all. The managers responsibility is to make the call to get the fights, the right fights at that.
i’m pretty sure is joe silva calling the fighters directly, we’ve all heard accounts from the fighters (ie: carwin, rashad, jones) receiving the call and taking the fight.
i don’t doubt for a second soares does help his fighters with sponsors, but that’s not out of heart, that’s because he gets his cut too
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Yes I do Ed helps in the contrary process because that’s what managers are paid to do. As one I can tell you if one of the guys signed a contract with out me at least reading I would question my worth.
And secondly, a lot of fighters have their managers call match makers to make fights. Unless your the champ or clear cut number one contender. Soares had a lot to do with he guys early in their careers and look where they all ended up.
I’ll share why I make these sentiments towards this situation. I know a guy who was offered an Aldo fight years back. His manager told him no. Two fights later they offered an Aldo fight again. Manager again said bad idea at this point. Today Aldo is where he is and the other fighter is nowhere. Could he have beaten Aldo? Possibly but he won’t ever know.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s what managers are paid to do
you know? i’m paid to code applications all day, and here i am, typing shit on mania.
morale of the story: you don’t always get to actually perform your job.
i really can’t tell if you’re still trolling or you are so invested in your profession that you’re willing to believe everything works the way it should
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Well I don’t know about anyone else’s job but if I don’t do mine ill be fired. Yes there are times to do other stuff within that job but if I get my guys bad fights, bad money, etc I won’t be needed in no time
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PML, you act like the said fighters don't have a coach or training camp
You think the manager is the person deciding whether or not the said fighter is ready to fight some other fighter?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a mix of all of them who decide on the fights a fighter takes
We know for a fact that Aldo has several minders including his trainers and Soares who dictate who he fights as they have pulled him out of title defences when he’s not been 100% and they wouldn’t let him fight Kenny at a time when that fight had no title implications. If it was up to Aldo he’d fight anyone at anytime and we’d see more performances like against Hominick when he gassed after 2 rounds for balls all money. Young stars like that need protecting from themselves and from promoters who’d use them and the talent as often as possible for the cheapest possible price.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
A. The manager houses the calls for fights. In theory he doesn’t even have to mention the fight to the fighter.
B. The manager tends to work hand in hand with the camp as a whole. It would be ridiculous not too.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And if he was marketable to do it on his own… don’t you think he would have? For as much shit people talk about Soares his fighters aren’t looking for ways out.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jds already confirmed it wasn’t due to anything bad on Soares he just felt he was in a better position heading down a different path. He added he and Soares are still friends
I don’t see anything wrong with that single isolated incident
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Soares had previously sworn to kill both of JDS's parents and let his wife live if he were to ever speak bad about od' Ed to the media
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He’d send a couple goons over to the dos Santos residence and have them ugly her up good.
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I think they've been there already.
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They have been visiting her weekly for the past 30 years
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they live next door.
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Funny as hell, Maniacs.
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I'm interested to see what else happens after that
Junior is a big loss for Ed and is very close to Andy and the Nogs. It’ll be even more interesting to see how many top fighters Soares has once Andy and the Nogs retire as I don’t see any of those guys fighting for too much longer, they’ve all made their money and in Andy’s case has already done everything there is to do in the sport. Junior is one for the future so losing him is arguably as big a blow as losing Andy or Lyoto based on his longevity at the top.
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Aldo and Nunes are good long lasting fighters he will have
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Aldo is but Nunes isn't ever going to be good enough to be a star in my opinion
Diego’s current deal is garbage as well, he has a long way to go before he brings in the big money. Aldo is a long-term star though, but he can’t rely solely on Jose and unfortunately he’s in a weight class that doesn’t earn the same amount of money as HW, despite being a far more exciting and stacked division in my opinion.
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maybe you're not the greatest at recognizing sarcasm?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
do you ever find any fault with anyone involved with MMA? ever?
you are both the biggest apologist, and defender, of everyone on this site.
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fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Really? I thought that was ANS, followed closely by AK.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe my downfall is I’m always optimistic and want to see the good in everything. Being part of the sport has opened my eyes to a lot of things I never knew when I was just watching from my living room
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think it had more to do with machida accepting the fight first then calling back n demanding more money than previosly discussed
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by infinite on Jul 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I did a little investigating
Machida’s last fight salary on record was UFC 104. He made $200,000. He has since fought 3 more times in areas that do not disclose salary.
http://www.mmamania.com/2009/10/27/ufc-104-fighter-salaries-and-paydays-for-machida-vs-shogun/
Anderson Silva’s last fight salary on record was UFC 126. He made $200,000.
http://www.mmamania.com/2011/2/7/1980174/ufc-126-fighter-salaries-and-paydays-for-silva-vs-belfort
Tito made $450, to KO Bader.
http://www.mmamania.com/2011/7/5/2259445/ufc-132-payouts-salaries-and-earnings-for-cruz-vs-faber-2-event
The difference here is in the PPV take. The rumors are that the PPV take can be as high as 5%-10% for dominant champs and big draws (Spider, Couture, GSP, Chuck, Brock). I am assuming since Machida does not get a win bonus that he already makes a PPV cut, but I would guess it is in the 2%-4% range. Considering that 1% on 500,000 buys (the UFC is averaging less than that this year) is roughly $250,000, I would actually bet that the difference between what Tito asked for and Machida asked for was only about $500,000.
Can anyone actually say that our sport deserves Tito/Shad insted of Machida/Shad for a measly $500,000?
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i'm fine with tito
but machida looked tons better on paper.
i’m thinking is more money than that though, there’s the primetime specials, the in the moment specials, press conference appearences, entourages and shit, the whole number might just be a tad bigger than that
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
You don't get paid for appearances at press conferences
And the entourage money doesn’t change no matter who you are.
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i would think tito still gets a ppv cut as well..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he gets very much
He has had a contract renewal in the past 5 years. I doubt Dana was dumb enough to give him too much when he was losing.
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agreed
when he came back, ho got an increased salary and less PPV cut. the links I posted above shows that.
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i doubt its a high %, but i wouldn't be surprised if tito still got a ppv cut..
look at his salary of 450K compared to machida’s 200k.. tito is still a draw.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wages decide who's a draw?
Have you actually looked at the numbers his events do?
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yeah he has one of the records
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
tito fought on the 3rd and 5th highest ppv card buys ever..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That was 7 years ago
DO YOU KNOW HOW HIS NUMBERS HAVE BEEN IN THIS DECADE?
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fuck off. his fight with hammill was number 5 ppv.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
and he still has a contract over 400k per fight..
you telling me he has one of the best contracts in the business, and it’s NOT because the ufc recognizes him as one of their bigger draws?
fuck off with that…
you telling me rashad/machida2 or rashad/davis would have done better ppv numbers than ortiz/evans 2?? crazy~
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You keep telling me to fuck off
And I’ll get your ass deported.
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i already told you, im canadian bro!
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yep!
but the fact remains that fight will have a better turnout in ppv numbers then the original.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
What other option was there?
Cave to the Soares clan when Machida had just as much to gain as the UFC did? At least they can sell Tito’s domination of Bader and the guy has momentum. It isn’t like he won by split decision.
You think people will forget about the last 5-7 years?
Just because he won one fight over a guy that has never won a big fight in his life?
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No, of course not Jay
especially to the more hard core type fans like the posters here. But it does make the fight much more interesting seeing as how he finished Bader so quickly. And I don’t want to go back and debate the last 5-7 years with anybody but the one thing I can say is that he fought a lot of top competition during that time and always put up a good fight. I know some will disagree on that and that’s fine. Maybe, just maybe, he really is 100% physically and he beats Rashaad. I’m starting to look forward to it.
I honestly question why anyone would buy this shitty card
Even hardcore fans surely have better things to spend their money on than this crap. Anyone who thinks that this fight will be anything less than a mismatch is either deluded or called Jacob Ortiz (OK that’s the same thing).
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5th best of all time?
Hammil and Ortiz?
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to be 100% lesnar was on that card too,
but i dont doubt for one second tito didn’t help bring that number over 100k buys.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Tito had nothing to do with those numbers.
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I had to go look at some buyrates for Tito
He hasn’t done over 400K in buys since 2001. The one event that went over that was the Lesnar card (no credit to Tito whatsoever).
He’s not a draw.
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I hope you don't think that matters anymore
Considering this is 2011.
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most events from 2009 - 2011 arnt in the top ten ppv buys..
tito pulled in 400k on his own, and brock pulls in roughly 700k on his own..
makes perfect sense that when you put them both on a card it does better then 100k.. thanks for doing the research, jay.. you just proved tito helped brock bring that number over 100k, with his 400k average..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the worst use of logic ever
So GSP draws 500K, Brock draws 700K (according to you), Dan H draws 300K, Bisping draws 300K….
I guess UFC 100 must have drawn wll over 2 and a half mil?
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Lol at people still calling Tito a ratings draw
Look how well his last main event with fellow “big draw” Forrest Griffin did. Expect similar lousy numbers for another pointless rematch over a far better guy he squeaked past in their first major fight after winning TUF. And I guarantee this will do a much worse number than 98.
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the point we were talking about is who's a bigger draw. tito or machida.
i say tito.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I would have bought the PPV with Machida/Shad.
Dana trying to save money when his event is going down the tubes is a fucking joke. I don’t want to see Tito fight in a main event.
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Do you think he is saving money with Tito?
$400,000 plus ppv%. If Machida has taken his normal pay I don’t believe it’s at Tito’s level. Besides, he can’t let the guy strong arm him into more$. Machida was offered another quick payday that otherwise wouldn’t have come about for at least a few months. We obviously don’t know how the negotiations went but most of us can agree than guys who step up on short notice get treated favorably down the line.
i think it's more expensive to have tito fight over machida..
and on top of that, i think the ppv numbers will do alot better then if it was machida/rashad fighting..
tito is still a draw.. and coming off a big win that is still very fresh, i say the ppv #’s have more potential with this main event over the original one..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Tito is still a draw? Tito get PPV%?
Have you guys checked these things out or are you still running on what Tito used to do/get 5 years ago?
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tito got 450k to fight bader.. no win bonus..
name 10 fightersin the ufc with a better contract.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone has a bigger PPV cut.
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What does that have to do with Tito being a draw?
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Tito can sell a fight like nobody’s business. I don’t like him and never will, but he is a great shit-talker and has more name recognition to the casuals than the Brazilians.
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yep.. it's hard to disagree that tito is still one of themost recognizable faces in mma..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I recognize Ken Shamrock more than almost any other fighter
Doesn’t mean I’d pay to see him fight. Try and stay on topic, boys.
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Haha by this logic Toney-Shamrock's fixed fight will do the biggest numbers of all time
Funny how this “big draw” couldn’t do more than 400k for his last fight or his last main event. His biggest number since losing to Chuck was on a Lesnar card (guaranteed to be a big number because of Brock) in which he lost to a guy who’s barely top 20. Who knew 1 win could have so many “experts” living in 2006 again.
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+1
Thanks for restoring my faith in the Mania readers.
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Haha my faith has been at an all time low lately
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all i was saying is tito is a bigger draw then machida..
if yall remember thats what we were talking about.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree - and I am a Machida fan.
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still one of the most recognizable faces?
shit, he is easily top 5 regardless of weight class. the man has been together with Jenna, he’s a celebrity.
I am who i is.
and will end up with a probably unbeatable record of ppv buys for the next 5-10 yrs.
I don’t even think PPV will be around long enough for his record to be beaten.
I am who i is.
So Jenna has made 16,423 men into celebreties?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
zuffa pays him more than 400k per fight..
he’s a draw, face it.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I like that you say Tito vs. Hammil was top 5 ever
Totally fogetting that the card featured Brock vs. Cain.
Those numbers have nothing to do with Tito. Those buys were to see Brock.
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i didn't forget..
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well don't act like any of those numbers were due to Tito
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whatever.. when has brock pulled in over 100k with out a big draw on the card with him..
he’s only pulled in over 100k with GSP and Tito.. all other times he was by himself and couldn’t pull 100k.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock is the single greatest MMA PPV draw ever.
He carried Tito and GSP. Not the other way around.
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When has the UFC ever done less than 100K?
Even Tito can draw 350K
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last one below 100,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_53
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i never said he carried them asso! i said tito helped brock get over 100k..look up thenumbers then try to disagree.. if anything i was implying that tito helped brock, not carried him. lol
He carried Tito and GSP. Not the other way around.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
im a fuck tard... i obviously mean 1mil
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet Brock has drawn over a mil a few times without Tito?
You actually think there’s fans out there that only buy an event for Tito?
You think anybody that watched the PPV with Brock and Tito cared about Tito? They bought it to see Brock and Cain.
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I've been laughing at you and your 100k's over here for hours!
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I've given myself a headache from all the facepalms in this thread
Stinky’s one of the main contributors. 100k? Brock drawing because of Tito? Check how well Tito did as a main event draw when he replaced Brock at 106 then try to tell me that he’s still a big draw.
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bigger draw then machida.
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by stinky~fingers on Jul 14, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding the PPV%
No I haven’t checked on this, could be wrong to be honest. I doubt Machida gets a PPV% though. If Tito beats Rashaad it’ll be impressive and huge for the UFC in my opinion. I think the UFC makes more$ with a Tito win than a Rashaad win. I’m getting kind of pumped to see if Tito can pull it off and prove the Bader fight wasn’t a fluke.
Prove the Bader fight wasn't a fluke and the past 5 years was a fluke?
I doubt a win over a rusty Shad does either of those things.
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I know, I know it'd be because Shad was rusty.
It doesn’t hurt though Jay. If that’s the case then why would anybody want to fight Rashaad because they victory wouldn’t mean anything, right?
Rashad's one of those guys who doesn't let time off affect him
He’s never been a guy who takes many fights per year, he won’t be rusty and he won’t lose to a loser like Jacob.
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Most champs get the ppv cut and if Machida renewed a contract between the Evans win and Shogun loss he still may be on the contract that guarantees ppv buys
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BS Ulf
WTF are they going to fight if they left the UFC? Pissing off DW is a bad move, I don’t give a shit what camp does it.
The UFC is only as good as its fighters.
Losing Spider, Aldo, Machida, JDS, both Nogs, and the ancillary fighters I am forgetting instantly makes Bellator/Dream/ even Shark Fights a legitimate threat to the UFC.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Of course the UFC is only as good as its fighters
But after the UFC bought out Strikeforce I can’t think of anybody compelling that any of those guys could fight. This isn’t golf Ulf where you’d be thrilled to watch a guy shoot a 62 regardless of who was in the field. If there isn’t a legitimate opponent then the fight makes no sense and no money. Besides, all of those individuals from Blackhouse would ultimately decide their own fate and they aren’t stupid.
off the top of my head
Silva/Lomdard, Silva/Khalidov, Silva/Mousasi, Lil Nog/Jardine, Lil Nog/Mousasi, Lil Nog/Prangley, Nog/Barnett (non-exclusive), Nog/Fedor (non-exclusive), Aldo/Sandro (I know, I know)
The point is that there are plenty of fights. Did you really believe Dan Hardy deserved to fight GSP? 700,000 people bought the PPV. It is all the hype machine.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
#1 Who else can sniff matching the "hype" machine?
Hence making the fighters good money. #2 those fights above would suck ass and I wouldn’t pay to watch any of them to be honest. The Nogs against anybody doesn’t excite me. Jardine, Mousasi and Prangley are either not UFC caliber or C level at best. I don’t know much about Khalidov and Lombard is as untested as any supposed top fighter. I know that these are off the top of your head ULF and I’m not as knowledgeable as some of the other posters on some of the fighters outside of the UFC. But I just don’t see compelling, competitive fights with any consistency at all.
GSP/Hardy was compelling to 700,000 people
The UFC with Hughes/Trigg 6 years ago did 50,000 (roughly) buys.
I could sell 150,000 – 200,000 PPV’s @ $49.95 tomorrow with a main card of:
Silva/Lombard
Machida/Mousasi
Nog/Barnett
Khalidov/Lil Nog
Aldo/Curran (since Sandro would never fight Aldo)
That gives me 3 months to find another decent card with the $1 – $2MM I put in my pocket.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
You remind me of Affliction, which actually had a larger crop of
fighters. They couldn’t have more than a couple of cards a year because the same guys would have to fight over and over. If the initial card played out for you Ulf I doubt the promotion would last long. It’d be a tough 3 months for you getting ready to sell the next card.
Glad you have bought what the UFC is selling.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Absolutely Ulf. The vast majority of the best fighters in the world
going at it a couple of dozen times per year. I’ll buy that hype just about every time even if I get a disappointment (Hardy) from time to time.
Though the point still stands that the UFC needs the talent to be a success
If they did something to piss off 1 or 2 major camps then they’d suddenly be lacking in talent from top to bottom and no amount of spinning to the media and the casuals could cover up the fact that the best fighters had left. The UFC need the fighters as much as the fighters need the UFC, without both sides co-operating the whole sport would implode.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Add in fighter insurance, event insurance. The venue, the security for the venue. The vendors that will be working for you. The production teams, the lights and cameras and your cage. All the staff you need to pay to set it all up, to run it correctly. Pay the fees necessary to host a ppv. Pay the commission to over see your event.
And you better have the payroll money in escrow before hand because a lot of big names won’t fight otherwise
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand most of the costs.
the point is that big names sell events.
Given the 5 best fighters at Blackhouse, I could sign investors tomorrow to back me.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
amended
big names that are proven draws.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
can you sign silva vs fedor
i’ll back you up with $2000 usd, no questions asked! lol
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Why would Andy waste his time against some flabby Russian on a 2 fight losing streak?
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Because after U.S. vs. China, WW IV will be Brazil-Russia.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
And it'd end in a tie because the majority of those 2 countries are uninhabitable
And Fedor’s 0-2 against Brazil this decade. Payback for the dodgy wins over Arona and Babalu and outclassing Big Nog.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
i agree, why waste his time fighting someone of his own size?
and with actual talent to boot! that’s more of what you can ask from silva
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Only if you have competition for them.
And I’m not talking about 1 or 2 guys either and even that I think you’d be hardpressed to find. What are they going to do, rematch every 4 months?
I will do what the UFC does
I will manufacture competition.
Hell, Cote is not in the UFC. Silva only beat him because of the knee injury. ;)
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
I know will you Ulf
Anderson was tailor made for Cote because everybody knows Cote’s kryptonite is on the floor. The dude has an iron chin and serious power. Obviously, the fight turned out disappointing but I think up until the knee part Anderson was respecting Cote for his two main (and pretty much only) attributes.
I was thinking GRANITE chin and ONE-PUNCH KNOCK-OUT POWER!!!
but I get you.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Nice Ulf.
Obviously Cote isn’t a top well rounded fighter but if it’s strictly standup he’s entertaining and tough against anybody in the UFC.
cote fan?
i think jay just came
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
You sound surprised that Cote has fans
Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?
non canadian fans, yeah
but i’m sure he’s loved over there. The pop he got in his fight with belcher was pretty awesome
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
How do you know what was going on in Jay's pants at that time?
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
surveillance cameras, of course!
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
The silence when he tapped out was even more awesome
I just wish I could have seen jay’s face when that happened. It would have been worth pissing off Toronto just to rub that loss in his face.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Or when he ate that modified pile driver.
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by ViolentMike on Jul 14, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a Pedigree, perfectly legal in MMA.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
Botched pedigree lol
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Actually yeah I do like Cote
and Anderson had a lot of respect for his standup and chin.
I just don’t think its that easy. If it was Greg Jackson should have Diego Sanchez, Nate Marquadt, Keith Jardine, Jon Jones and Clay Guida on his next Jacksons MMA Series.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they have UFC contracts
which goes back to my first point. If they left.
I have posed the same arguent for Jackson’s, as long as all the affiliate gyms crossed as well. I am certain that Greg will build his series to the point of competing at some point down the road.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
You would think after 6-7 events his main events would be more marquee instead a first timer is walking into Jacksons turf with a bigger show in the biggest possible venue.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The UFC is only as good as itsfightershype machine.
Losing Spider, Aldo, Machida, JDS, both Nogs, and the ancillary fighters I am forgetting instantly makesBellator/Dream/ even Shark Fights a legitimate threat to the UFCthe hype machine hype florian as the greatest fw ever, cain as the greatest hw ever (again), and the millers as the best bro duet ever since simon & garfunkel.
and yes, i’m aware they’re not brothers but no one came to mind, so fuck it
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Jim and Dan Miller are brothers
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
simon & garfunkel, i meant
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
HAHAHAHA
duh?
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
should have gone with the jackson five
or marky mark and other guy that was in that other band
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
That was Donnie in NKOTB. No homo.
OK, homo.
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lmao
i wasn’t sure if it was that or the backstreet hoes (boys). I learn something new everyday, thanks!
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
But he was Don Wahlberg in the credits of the Sixth Sense...
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Not one single promotion could house and pay all these fighters
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bellator could easily.
as could Dream and Shark.
That type of talent added to a roster makes a company instantly PPV worthy. As long as the owners are not trying to take Zuffa money for themselves, it sould be done easily. Hell, I could do it tomorrow with the 5 contacts I have in the business and would quit my pretty decent job right now to give it a shot.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Anderson very likely clears a million a fight. Now add in expenses for travel accommodations for Anderson and at least 3-4 of his people. The hotel for them.
That’s pricey and bellator would be biting off more the they can chew
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I start with $10 Million (200,000 x 50)
$5 MM to PPV company
$500,000 for venue (probably high)
$2.5 MM for fighter salaries (probably low)
$1MM Flex fund
$1MM in my pocket. That doesn’t include ticket sales (which would cover most of the fighter salaries), sponsors, or concessions cut from the venue.
Do you see how much money the UFC makes? It is because of the fighters, not the UFC.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
While it all sounds awesome, nobody has ever found long term success blowing through the door with that type of show. Or else any big gym could do it with there guys.
There is so much more to it like getting investors to front you that type of money without immediate results and money back.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is all fictitious based upon an entire camp leaving
probability 0%.
Anderson has the champion’s clause. He needs to lose to waive it. retirement does nothing. Same with Aldo. The rest of the contractd are staggered to expire that is most convenient to the UFC so something like this doesn’t happen.
I am not saying would. I am saying could. albeit remotely.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
I have long thought of doing pro shows. For now ill stick to amateur smokers. I have a good friend who runs a promotion and I was able to get a sneak peak and man… I’m not ready for that jump. So much more goes into an event that people don’t understand.
by PML on Jul 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally I think if Andy falls out with Zuffa and leaves he's done with MMA period
He’s already made his money and done everything, if he’s not fighting the best in the top promotion then he won’t waste his time in smaller promotions. If anything he’d take an easy pay day and face Roy Jones in boxing, it’s clear that the legend is well past his prime and would take any fight that would make money at this stage of his career so I think that would be more likely than a disgruntled Andy fighting Lombard at Bellator.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Stink - TRUTH.
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Hahaha. Brilliant.
Drink.
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by DonnMcslick on Jul 14, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep. I lol'd.
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no
Davis got hurt. Tito turned it down at first, got crucified by some. Machida stepped in to fight, but that turned out to be a complete fabrication as he wanted “Anderson Silva” money. Now, Tito is fighting Rashad.
I am a Spider fan, you dirty bastard. If Spider was fighting Jesus, I would have cheered Spider. - OJR
Ulf you just got trolled. C’mon man I expect better from a vet.
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by Jesse Holland on Jul 14, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I got trolled by a longer vet. I am OK with that.
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This is why I respect you
Take your trolling like a man. Bravo.
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by Jesse Holland on Jul 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Idea
for a UFC post-fight presser drinking game.
Take a drink when Dana says the following…
“It is what it is”
“He’s definitely in the mix/ it puts him in/back in the mix”
“I’m proud of these guys”
“How can you say the fight sucks before you see the fight?”
Anything about referees/judges and a quick sip for every swear.
That’s some good drinking if you didn’t have your fill during the fights.
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by Michael Cunningham on Jul 14, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
I'll be fucked after the first 5 minutes
Only drinking game worse than that one is the Goldie for all of his crap catchphrases and cheap plugs during the fight, as well as the infamous “ain’t that right Joe?”.
Anderson Silva is still the P4P King of MMA and will be 14-0 in the UFC after Rio, Jon Jones is the future P4P King and will smash Quittin inside 3 rounds and I told everyone from the start that Cain and JDS were the best 2 HWs in the world. TRT is the get out clause for drug cheats and UFC 133 officially sucks.
Anderson Silva Money??
I am not sure what Dana meant by Anderson Silva money. Tito just got 400,000 to show against Bader. I haven’t really seen Silva’s base pay much higher than that and I am sure Tito isn’t coming into this one making less than his last fight
Machida is a fraud
When he first got in this thing he was telling everyone money isn’t why he’s in this thing, the belt means the most. ’He’ll fight whoever, whenever and wherever’, what happened to that, you fraud? Ed Soars had a word in your ear karate boy? Wasn’t long ago your best pal Anderson said today’s fighters are in the sport for the wrong reasons, he was directing it at you, muppet. Get back to Karate class with your old man before I sign up to smash your face in.
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Jon Jones
"i"
man, maintaining character 100% of the time is actually kind of awesome.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i think she's sonnen!
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
Danago
Are you the one with the long pink hair or the long chartreuse hair ? Just wondering
by wooly shambler on Jul 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i don’t blame machida for wanting more money , hell tito got 450,000 dol for his last fight against bader , dana will be paying tito a hell of alot more than machida would of gotten , but dana would rather say no to machida and then pay more to tito , dana is a phoney lieing dick he cuts marquart ( which i believe was the right thing to do ) and keeps sonnen why sonnen has a longer history of cheating and lieing , ex, he lied about his tap out in the filho 1 fight , he lied and fought illegally i n the marquart and okami fight, he then tests pos for peds ( yes it was trt but his levels werte the lecvels of someone abusing the trt and is the same result as taking steroids) then lies at his appeal , then he gets convicted for money laundering and gets a deal because he turned RAT . yet this phoney f—k dana keeps sonnen in the ufc , its no wonder new york keeps telling him to f—k off . if he was ever consistant and treated his fighters equally , maybe mma could get to the next level . because its is stagnating now , and its a combination of things but it all leads back to dana.
danago you are so f—king funny machida would make you do the skanky leg like he did to evans .
by robbyedRobby Edwards on Jul 14, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
We'll never know how those negotiations went but
you guys seem to think that this was only the case of Machida doing the UFC a favor. Have you ever thought about it in the sense that the UFC was giving him another nice payday quicker than he would have had otherwise? More fights more money, right?
Dana is in a prediciment (god knows how to spell that)
If Tito wins, will be some funny to see how that plays out.
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I must be God
predicament
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jul 14, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Big PPVs for Tito..
..which he will get a piece of.Everyone i know is talking about this fight, they either want him to take a beating, or continue his improbable quest for the title…Hate him, or love him, ALL will be watching….
True a lot of people will be watching
but Shad ain’t no Bader for sure. And i can’t stand Rashad most times.
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