B.J. Penn and Carlos Condit agree to fight at UFC event in October
by Thomas Myers on Jul 11, 2011 10:31 PM EDT
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That didn't take long.
Literally hours after B.J. Penn and Jon Fitch attempted to schedule their rematch in a Twitter exchange earlier today, which UFC matchmaker Joe Silva apparently shot down because he, and the fans, "don't want it," it appears that "The Prodigy" has a new opponent, Carlos Condit.
The welterweight showdown, which both fighters have verbally accepted, is tentatively scheduled to take place in October. No specific date and/or venue is known at this time; however, Penn is pushing for UFC 137, which is scheduled to take place at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, on Oct. 29, 2011.
That's the same card that features the highly anticipated 170-pound showdown between UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre and former Strikeforce champion Nick Diaz in the main event of the evening.
Number one division contender eliminator match, anyone?
That would appear to be the case, considering Penn and Fitch -- who fought to an unceremonious draw in their hotly contested bout at UFC 127 earlier this year in Australia -- were told the winner would earn a championship berth. And since their immediate rematch fizzled because of injuries, and Fitch is still on the mend from major shoulder surgery, the promotion may be looking to switch gears with a fresh booking.
Condit is coming off a sensational first round flying knee knockout of the previously undefeated Dong Hyun Kim at UFC 132, raising his stock remarkably in the crowded division. The fact that it was the fourth straight win inside the Octagon for the former WEC champion might help a little, too.
Perhaps a win over Penn would put the "Natural Born Killer" over the top once and for all.
Penn, who noted in the immediate aftermath of his fight with Fitch that if all involved wanted a rematch he would oblige, exhibited a tone and overall demeanor that suggested otherwise. In fact, the proud Hawaiian even hinted at possibly retiring from the sport altogether.
Clearly, a far from eye-popping record (1-2-1) for Penn in his most recent performances is not championship caliber. But with a win over Condit, a draw with Fitch (the number two-ranked welterweight fighter in the world today) and a blistering knockout over Matt Hughes, Penn, as well as the promotion, can make a case that he deserves it.
Whether or not that scenario plays out, and if it does that the fans actually buy it, remains to be seen. Nonetheless, it's an exciting match up that should spark fireworks in "Sin City" this fall.
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more on this breaking story as it develops.
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Please let it be in Houston!!
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by mikeybear32 on Jul 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It won’t be. The Houston main card is filling up and this thing has co-mainer written all over it. Probably be on the 137 GSP/Diaz card.
Fitch should get the winner of Shields/Ellenberger, or maybe a Sanchez rematch if he beats Hughes.
This would be a wicked fight. I think I’d have to roll with Condit but either guy could take this. With BJ at WW my concern is always conditioning and size, and that’s what I think gives Condit the edge in this one.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
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by Jeremyjackson on Jul 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me dream, JJ!
This fight could be a classic and hopefully Condit wins it.
Facebook is for gays!!
he will. this will be the first time penn has been knocked out cold.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think condits striking is as good as everyone makes it out to be
i love condit, hes exciting as hell and is a well rounded mixed martial artist that deserves a shot with a win, but i just dont think hes an elite level striker, which i personally think youd need to be to knock bj unconscious, even at this point in his career
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
i see your point, mike.
but i see him as extremely strategic with his striking which means he’s accurate as hell. the hook that ko’d hardy was a well planned counter punch. the knee to kim was a well planned strike and devestating to any wrestler who plans on shooting in for a double. condit will beat bj by moving in for his strikes then right back out. mix in a leg kick on every other exchange. keep pounding bj’s fron leg then after the 6th or 7th leg kick fire the head kick. goodnight
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by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ Penn has no business being in a No. 1 contender match. Not at WW, and not at LW. Condit is going to wreck this fool.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
But BJ has the best boxing in MMA
And his jits is otherworldly….hahaha
Starting a petition to bring Cote back to the UFC. Who's with me?
Lol
Sad thing is despite seeing him outboxed for 10 rounds by Frankie and easily outstruck by GSP, showing no ability to do anything off his back against Frankie, Fitch or GSP and being outworked on the ground by those same 3 guys people still believe he really has the best boxing and BJJ in the sport.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
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disagree.
first of all, condit will beat gsp. penn is no threat to him.
second, bj has already beaten himself. the ko win vs hughes was enough to give bj a second wind and energize him. then he got in there with fitch and got controlled in the 3rd. that was enough to remind bj of the amount of work it was going to take to be a force at 170. bj doesn’t work hard enough to beat condit.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Are ya shitting me Tickle-Bandit
BJ is as loony as he was pre-hughes KO. Regardless, he has the skill and ethic, minimal as it may be, to tax Condit’s ass (no-abb). He went three rounds and came out Draw’d up with the second best WW (when he’s a natural lw) in the WORLD, even taking him (Fitch) down. He has better Wrestling, boxing, tdd, and jj than Condit (who is a fav of mine).
Easy UD if not finish for BJ.
Ulf is baiting you boys into losing easy points…..LOL at Condit cracking BJ’d chin…
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by *Californication* on Jul 12, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Condit as well
Someone is going to crack BJ’s chin. Condit has proven that he has the power to drop legit WW’s, so this will be very interesting to see BJ’s gameplan coming in. Based upon the wrestling he showed against Fitch, I can see him trying to take Condit down. But considering how strong Condit stays during fights, BJ needs an early stoppage (unlikely) to not get, once again, outworked in the 3rd.
My only issue is I have no need to wacth GSP beat up BJ AGAIN.
Last of the hopeless fools
This could be a main event...
If it is we will see a 5 rounder.
by donkeypunch on Jul 11, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
its gonna be on a card with either
gray-frankie 3 or gsp-diaz…it wont be main event
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Penn's boxing
is world’s apart from Condit. So is his jiu-jitsu. There is no fucking way in hell Condit wins this fight.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 11, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You're on.
Whatever you want.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 11, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
what are the "staff-boundaries"?
one week or two?
pics as well?
I will defer to your groundrules for this and will agrre to e-mail you and Jesse for approval before you post it if need-be.
Last of the hopeless fools
oh shit
I got an every BJ fight sig bet with Deuce. I am out, but I am sure someone will jump on Condit
Last of the hopeless fools
you called shotgun so you're first, donkey.
but if for any reason you don’t want it, i’ll take it. pic and sig, 2 weeks.
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-Ghandi
by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Geno....
i’ll take you up on that bet, and I’m willing to do sig only……so if you don’t feel like donning one of ABB"s big, veiny, triumphant bastards, i’m the bet you want….
Urijah Faber is nothing but an overrated, slow wannabe. Even in his camp he is only the second best. Dominick Cruz is a true champion, easiest win for him, just like freenow82 said it would be.
ulf, i trust your picking ability
but i think im gonna have to go with geno on this one…im not a big bj guy, but my gut says he takes this
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
I like Condit as well.....
but I don’t necessarily think he’ll crack BJ’s chin…….I think Condit can do enough to win the fight.
Urijah Faber is nothing but an overrated, slow wannabe. Even in his camp he is only the second best. Dominick Cruz is a true champion, easiest win for him, just like freenow82 said it would be.
I never pick BJ and I never pick a Diaz
this wil be the first time money is on the line for their fights, so maybe I need to clear the cobwebs of hate before making any final decisions.
Last of the hopeless fools
I'm with Geno on this one
of course I thought Kim was gonna beat Condit too
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by PHISH NATION on Jul 11, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
kos wrestling will give him the W
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by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
whered you hear that?
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Houston is filling up?? We have one confirmed fight. And a bunch of guesses as to whose gonna be on it
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
by Ponch-Hoe on Jul 11, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is not polite nor proper to adress JJ directly.
One must go through a third party to express something to Him.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
Please let it be in Houston!!
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by mikeybear32 on Jul 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
now thats wtf im talking about!!!
This is a GOOD match up…Joe Silva himself mustve been disgusted with Fitch by now..what can you do? How do you sell a slug like that? Putting perfume on a pig doesn’t make it a prom queen! BJ vs Condit is a fight I’ll spend coin on…I’ve already vowed to do my small part and Boycott all Fitch fights. Doesn’t mean I won’t stream and watch, just means I’m not paying that bullshit anymore!
"Fuck Ceasar Gracie, and fuck the fuckin' Diaz brothers! Fuck'em all! I bury those cock-a-roaches!"-Rory MacDonald
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Jul 11, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fitch fan
Come on! Fitch is awesome. He is a grinder if there ever was one but that’s just his style. He wins though.. a lot. How can he not be considered the 2nd best WW in the division.. and if GSP wasn’t around he’d be champ for sure. I know some people get pretty hung up in finishes but finishes or not Fitch has skills.
Not to say Im not pumped for this fight though. Way better than Fitch/Penn II .. mainly cause fitch would have dominated.
listen...
I acknowledge that Fitch is THE 2nd best in the div and the only man who can beat him fair and square is the champ and possible P4P best in the world. Ok?….that being said I FUCKING HATE HIM! He’s one of the most blatant of PPV bandits, he steals my $55 & sucks the life out of every card I’ve seen him on! His style has ZERO entertainment value for me and I’ve resovled to stream all PPVs involving him from now on…I haven’t streamed yet, but my 1st will be w/e card he’s on…its my own personal boycott…you dig his style? Cool…but I’m not entertained by him dryhumping UDs out at all…and I do have appreciation for grinders, Clay Guida is fave of mine, but Fitch & Askren disgust me..I actually walk away from the tv when their fights are on and let the DVR earn its keep…I come back like clockwork an exact FIFTEEN minutes later and surprise surprise! NOTHING of note has happened..
"Fuck Ceasar Gracie, and fuck the fuckin' Diaz brothers! Fuck'em all! I bury those cock-a-roaches!"-Rory MacDonald
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Jul 11, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On a positive note.
I also appreciate the fact that Fitch is both talented AND boring as fuck to watch, so his fights provide me the perfect amount of time to go pinch a loaf while he is out there grinding everyone to sleep.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
by dec3ptiKon_ on Jul 11, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
bro...this is exactly how I feel about FItch AND Clay Guida!
At least Guida is entertaining….he fights at a torrid pace, he’s willing to scrap and bang, he’ll take you down for ground and pound BUT….Guida has the instincts to finish guys.
Fitch hasn’t finished a guy since 2007…10 fighters ago!
I don’t get it either…he’s a legit BJJ black belt…he’s got the wrestling chops…but man..where’ the killer instinct? I wanna really like the guy too. He’s respectful. In interviews, he’s actually a pretty humble dude. But man, go for broke once in a while!
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by TABASCOsauce on Jul 11, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take a shit during a Fitch fight vs a Guida fight anyday.
This doesn’t take away from Fitch’s skillset or personality, he’s just not that exciting. On the other hand, I would watch a Fitch fight every time if given the choice of watching him or some TUF turd.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
by dec3ptiKon_ on Jul 11, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i would honestly prefer to see fitch never fight again! i wish his fights were just blacked out (not aired)
as for bj vs. condit…great fight. fun fight. love me some condit, he is really coming into his own….but i have a very tough time picking a non wrestler to beat BJ penn
Guida is in the same dry-humping boat as Unanimous Fitch and Sideshow Bob Askren. Just because he humps faster doesn’t mean he’s not humping. They can all blow each other. And Condit kicks BJ’s ass.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
Condit by......get this
TKO in the second round.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
by dec3ptiKon_ on Jul 11, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ko round 1.
hook to the back of the jaw.
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-Ghandi
by arm.bar.bandit on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't dismiss this scenario either.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
by dec3ptiKon_ on Jul 12, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
whew!
fitch is just boring. ’nuff said
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Condit...Only Wins!
…regardless of the outcome. You know he is going to be game.
BJ…If he loses, then what?
THIS IS A SICK FIGHT!
Stupid Signature Goes Here
WHEN BJ loses he’ll get another No. 1 contender fight against a top-5 WW. Then another. Then a No. 1 contender match at LW.
Times have changed for sailors these days, when I'm at port I get what I need. Not Havanas or bananas or daiquiris, but that American creation on which I feed.
And him and Faber will continue to bitch about the refereeing and judging after continuing to lose their neverending run of top contender and title fights
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
Sweet this is oblivsaly a #1 contender
At least for Condit this is going to be a good fight……I would bet my bottom dollar there will be a finish in this one, thats more than Fitch can say his last 9 have went to the judges
oh fuck me
This is gonna be a SICK fight!!!!!!! GO CONDIT!
by TheMuscleShark on Jul 11, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Damn it! Sucks that someone has to lose! Like both these guys. Oh well, war bj!!!!
by Romex on Jul 11, 2011 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm in that boat, too brocephus
I’d like to see Condit win the title though.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jul 12, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell yes
Like both fighters but i’m rooting for B.J.
Long live the dragon!!!
by Octagon Brilliance on Jul 11, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
MMA is one of the few sports where #2 is constantly getting hosed
GSP-Diaz, Shields-Ellenberger, Penn-Condit, so that leaves Kos and Alves near the top and Fitch will probably be matched up against Brenneman.
But let this be in Vegas, my MMA live experience will be almost complete once I see BJ and GSP live.
by FrostyGreenz559 on Jul 11, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think I'd put Alves near the top anymore.
by jestermarcus on Jul 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
alves is one of those guys who will get wrestlefucked
but beating him in another fashion means ALOT
by FrostyGreenz559 on Jul 11, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, that KO over Hughes really created the hype for Alves, I never thought much of him though...
…with his body, he should be mixing up the striking with the grappling a lot more…I have a feeling that’s what he’ll do in his next fight
yeah i’m almost sure if this fight is in October they’d want nearly 4 months to prepare so 137 makes alot of sense
by FrostyGreenz559 on Jul 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
One of my favorite mma moments.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
Man. I'm a Penn fan but I don't know how he wins this
Condit is very competent on the ground if it goes there and he has the reach to tag Penn all night.
No he doesn't have the reach to tag Penn all night...he has the reach yes, but Penn throws down a lot better than Condit
…Penn will get on the inside….I won’t be surprised if he takes Condit down….I like Condit but Penn is going to beat him
Penn's stand up hasn't looked all that great lately
Besides maybe the Hughes fight but that didn’t tell us much
by jestermarcus on Jul 11, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But he just seems slow. Maybe I just have the 2 Edgar fights stuck in my head. But I don’t think Condit will slow down as the fight goes on like Penn will.
by jestermarcus on Jul 11, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Go rewatch the Carlos/Rory fight
Condit got stronger after getting his ass-beat. He did the same against Kampmann but it was too late acccording to the judges.
Last of the hopeless fools
Good point.
He’s for real in the cardio department.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
bj is slower than he once was
but hes still quick, not to mention one of the, if not the, most technically sound boxer at 170
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
In all dvisions, IMO...
not just 170.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
He has superb hands against fighters who fail to properly recognize it.
And a coconut strong skull.
He’s got two aces.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
probably with his better boxing and jiu jitsu
oh and take down defense… how does Condit win?
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by PHISH NATION on Jul 11, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
by turning it into a brawl
i dont see him getting it done though
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
houston defiinitly needs some star power……SOnnen vs Stann is the only confirmed fight. GSP vs DIAZ is plenty of starpower for UFC 137 alone…..please please let it be Houston: There are plenty of rumours for Hosuton but only one confirmed:
Rumours:
Edgar vs Maynard 3
Florian vs Aldo
Stann vs Sonnen
BJ Penn vs Carlos Condit added in would top it off nice….
or take away Florian vs aldo and make this the co-main event
Bring back the Chute Boxe of old!!!
That is too much for Houston. ;)
Two title fights and two #1 contender bouts? No chance.
Last of the hopeless fools
I could see it if they moved the event to the Cowboy's Stadium.
But its too late for that i think.
by jestermarcus on Jul 11, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Too soon.
They gotta start moving around more. Especially for the smaller PPVs.
by jestermarcus on Jul 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Two of my favorite fighters... wow
One of the best fights you could put together right now imo. Wasn’t that psyched for BJ/Fitch II anyways.
Kinda hard to see who Fitch gets now but Shields comes to mind. That would be beautiful grappling or nasty boxing. Either way competitive and very interesting.
yeah that would be a good fight to finally get rid of a boring ass fighter...
and shields is more exciting than fitch
Yeah Shields actually goes for the finish....after seeing Fitch not go for full mount when he had BJ underneath him just really disappointed...with that said he's still bad ass...and he is pretty similar to Shields
…that should be a very intense, action packed fight
Not sold on the fact that Shields can get Ellenberger down
Jake E will own the stand-up against JS. If JS gets him down, hge has a chance.
Last of the hopeless fools
Bruh, GSP didn't even own Shields in the stand up and you think Ellenberger will?
Hmmm….I think Shields will be aggressive in the stand up…and eventually do what Rocha almost did
eye pokes do wonders for ruining depth perception
GSP easily owned the first two rounds. Then he got poked and still won the majority of the exchanges, with one fucking eye.
Ellenberger has much better stand-up. Shiekds wins on the mats.
Last of the hopeless fools
Ellenberger will murder shields.
He comes collecting heads and knows how to wrestle. I cant wait to see Shield’s eyes roll back when jake cleaves his head right off with a haymaker.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 11, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember when everyone said that about Hendo
including me
by FrostyGreenz559 on Jul 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but hendo is a gasser....habitually,...a habitual gasser.
Especially at 185….once he blew his wad tryin to finish in the first, it was a wrap.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Shields fan I've got to admit Ellenberger has had me scared for a while
I’m hoping that the sluggish Ellenberger that scraped by Rocha shows up and Shields closes the distance quickly because I have no confidence in Shields dealing with the striking exchanges. His takedowns need to be a lot better than they were against GSP, though if he can get into the clinch then Shields has this. Should be a great fight but it does have me very worried.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
Ellenberger would ABUSE Nick as well
Much better stand-up. Jake has been training with Nick for many years and has barely imporved his stand-up form when he beat Condit and Okami on Rumble on the Rock.
Jake has shitty stand-up, but might be the best pure grappler in the division. I am not hating on him, I am being realistic. I like Shields, but one-dimensional guys do not win UFC belts very often.
Last of the hopeless fools
Ellenberger wrestle-fucks Nick to a UD
as would most the wrestlers at 170.
There is a reason Nick has not fought a wrestler at 170 since he left the first time.
Last of the hopeless fools
Hmmm, I doubt Ellenberger can roll with Nick...Rocha had him in all sorts of trouble
…and perhaps the reason he hasn’t fought a wrestler at 170 is because all the wrestlers at 170 are in the UFC…well not all, but most
I have had this argument too many times
But will leave you with this.
Why did Nick not fight either Joe Riggs, to whom he lost in the UFC, or Jay Heiron, a very accomplished wrestle-boxer?
Honestly, I would take Rocha in a pure BJJ match against Nick.
Last of the hopeless fools
Heiron probably would have been matched against Nick if he stuck around, but he bolted for Bellator...a good decision in hindsight
….Riggs just isn’t an appealing name anymore…Rocha may beat Nick in a pure BJJ match, but Nick is a beast right now…straight beast mode
Heiron sat for 18 months without a fight before he left for Bellator.
not a good excuse, IMO.
Last of the hopeless fools
Pyle was his best win so far
And the way he destroyed Condit in round 1 was damn impressive. He faded against both Rocha and Condit though and that is what I’m banking on for Shields to take a decision.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
ellenberger has much heavier hands
hes not THAT much better than shields technically, though, imo
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Condit's rise to a legit top contender
will be COMPLETE when he takes Penn in what’s sure to be a spectacular fight!!!
After a bunch of pepole were calling for it when Fitch got hurt a few months ago, this was the right fight to make! woo!
by cough on Jul 11, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why are people hating on the Jon Fitch fight so bad? The first fight was incredibly badass.
It truely showed BJ’s almost infinite talent yet collossal failure too. Now this fight is mismatch no matter how bad ppl will pretend like it’s not. I mean Condit deserves it and it’s definitely a fight to make but BJ showed in the fitch fight why you need a very specific skillset to beat. Condit has neither. His striking isnt better, neither is his grappling or wrestling. He doesnt edge on with any physical abilities aside from reach. Anyways i still hope the rematch gets made because that needed to be a 5 round fight and hell Fitch came close to finishing him in that 3rd round and joining the elite status next to GSP and Hughes as the only ppl to finish BJ.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Fat chance...Carlos might win a UD but a tko...dont see that happening
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With Penn's gas tank,
I don’t see why Condit couldn’t wear him out and finish him with the pace Condit brings to every fight.
Facebook is for gays!!
After I saw Fedor get pounded by Big Foot,
I know any fighter can be finished including BJ.
Facebook is for gays!!
yea the doctors refused to let it go on. Fedor would have just kept fighting.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 12, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And he'd have been blinded
Just like the fanboys who think that he’s still the best in the world.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
Ellenberger deserves a rematch more
He got robbed of a draw, how the first round wasn’t scored 10-8 after 2 knockdowns is beyond me.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
Condit will be lucky to make it to round 2……..watch and see!
by Hamura's Saimin & MMA on Jul 11, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
Yes.
I totally dig this fight.
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by Wicky Wicky Scratch on Jul 11, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions
yeah but y do we need to settle.. stack the shit out of the gsp and diaz card
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idc what anyone has to say about fitch
i think if BJ wins this fight, which he has a very good chance of doing, he absolutely deserves a rematch with GSP for the belt
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
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You dont want GSP to move up...
Im sick of these rematches with him. I want to see GSP-Sonnen or Silva or ANYONE WEIGHING 185!
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I’m excited about this fight, but I do feel a little bad for Fitch. How much does Dana White hate this dude?
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by Kevin Haggerty on Jul 12, 2011 12:42 AM EDT reply actions
On a scale of one to ten.
8..Because thats the number of decisions Fitch has had in the UFC alone…
"90 percent of the game is half mental" – Tim Sylvia
A lot
Fitch continues to get screwed and BJ yet again gets favourable treatment. He has to fight the Shields-Ellenberger winner next, no matter what you think of Jon’s style he’s been the #2 guy at WW for years and deserves to be treated as such.
Hopefully Carlos smashes BJ, he’s looked awesome lately and always sets a relentless pace but his TDD is suspect at best and BJ showed good offensive wrestling in the first 2 rounds against Fitch.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
if he would finsih a fight.... just one... he would be in a whole lot better posistion by now
NICK DIAZ.... champ 2011
Since suddenly everyone forgets that Penn is one of the baddest motherfuckers on the block
and Condit is the not new piece of tail running around, I’ll take on anybody that wants some. Sig best, sig and pic bets, anything you want, get creative.
I’ll even take on multiple guys. Meaning, if I lose a sig bet to donkeypunch for two weeks, he gets my sig for two and then whoever else I lost to, gets it right after that. I don’t care, I’m down.
Penn is going to fucking kill Condit.
Whoever wants it, sign up. I’ll be here all day, baby. I like this kind of party.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Geno
You’ll take on multiple guys?
Giggity
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by CenturyCity90067 on Jul 12, 2011 1:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
Well played. How could I let that get by the old editorial eye?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
He likes that kind of party.
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Just bring it bitch
BJ is a fat overrated whiny brat and Condit is a savage with the striking, BJJ and cardio to give BJ fits. Once Carlos pushes the pace BJ will wilt and quit just like he does in every fight that he can’t control the flow of.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
-1. He only quit vs. GSP.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
He quit against Edgar twice
But Edgar couldn’t stop BJ’s mom in a fight.
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Rumor has it that Drew landed the money shot right on BJ's mom's chin
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by ViolentMike on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep me in mind for this crazy bet you're making
I like easy wins.
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Im actually going to take BJ
Think he will get it to the floor and submit Condit.
Well...BJ Penn was one of the top 4 baddest MFers on on the
155lb block…
I like this fight…BJ is still competitive…more so than Hughes…but the closest that he will ever get to a championship belt is smelling Marquarts hands after he gets done rolling with GSP.
Also…didnt Dan Hardy have 100X better boxing than Condit…
Skills dont mean that much, especially in a fight.
I dont care what Freddie Roache has to say about BJs skills…Frankie tooled him.
man i was just looking at jim miller’s win streak. now THAT is a guy to feel bad for. If he beats Hendo the UFC should give him some sort of extra recognition man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKyFcvAi3Xg
just had an idea
what if the ufc makes a rule that if at any time you win 8 fights without a title shot you can main event a strikeforce card while waiting for your fight, and if you lose, it doesn’t count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKyFcvAi3Xg
True, though there's a few top guys at LW who are being overlooked
Miller-Henderson winner has to fight a top 5 guy so that the division can be cleaned up a bit and we actually have a clear cut top contender. Right now Jim, Ben, Melvin and Clay are all up there plus we have Gil dominating in SF and Pettis is still a top guy. Siver, Evan and Dos Anjos are all on the fringes as well as Sherk if he ever comes back. Jim-Ben is a good start but all of these guys need to start fighting each other so we know who the best guy to face Frankie/Gray is.
When will you people learn? Kenny Florian is no choker (gay), he is top tier in any division, and his skinny, female-esque body is nothing to scoff at (I actually have a poster above my bed). I discounted Cali’s obviously superior knowledge, and for that I am sorry (almost as sorry as I am for being a foul-toothed, crumpet eating Bisping fanboy).
Wolfslair > Black House & Nova Uniao
#1 contender bout?
how can BJ be deemed the #1 contender if he wins this? He still hasnt beaten fitch.
It's all about who wants it more!
BJ’s boxing is high level, TDD-outstanding,Bjj-World Class, Condit uses a more diversified style of striking and has the heart of a lion, phenomenal cardio! I think Condit pushes Bj to the wire, Forrest wasn’t supposed to beat Shogun, Rampage wasn’t supposed to beat Chuck HELL TITO WASN’T SUPPOSED TO BEAT RYAN BADER, Condit by UD
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by CharactersAnalysis on Jul 12, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
BJ Penn is getting knocked out
I can’t believe they keep giving him top WW fights. hilarious
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He won't be KO'ed. And he is a big draw so of course he gets top fights. Do I agree with that? No. That's just the way it is.
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