BJ Penn rips TRT as 'total BS,' calls for removal of PED 'cancer' from MMA
by Jesse Holland on Jun 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
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A lot of fighters were sympathetic towards Nate Marquardt yesterday (June 28) when he revealed that problems stemming from his Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) caused him to fail his pre-fight medical test for UFC on Versus 4.
Former UFC Welterweight Champion B.J. Penn isn't one of them.
Marquardt was promptly booted from the world's largest fight promotion courtesy of a "disgusted" UFC President Dana White, who was forced to re-shuffle his televised fight card just 24 hours before the event.
"The Great" explanation on yesterday's MMA Hour revealed a timeline of TRT therapy for the former middleweight number one contender, which started back in August 2010 and became "more aggressive" in early 2011.
He was able to secure a Therapeutic Use Exemption for his previous fights, but failed to do so in Pittsburgh after his blood levels betrayed him prior to the weigh-ins.
Not that it matters to "The Prodigy," who slams "weak" fighters using TRT, a treatment he tweets is "total BS."
Here's more from the huffy Hawaiian:
All this testosterone replacement therapy stuff is total BS. A true martial artist would never consider cheating! If you can't do it of carbs, fats, proteins and vitamins and minerals you're weak! Fighters on 'roids = blue collar crime. Coaches of fighters on 'roids = white collar crime. Everyone has to come together and get this "ped" cancer out of our sport!
Penn has a history of crotchety call-outs.
Prior to winning the lightweight title against Sean Sherk back at UFC 84: "Ill Will," he shot a few barrels into "The Muscle Shark" for failing his UFC 73 post-fight drug test.
"… I know there are a lot of people out there doing steroids, cheating and every time I run into one of them, I’m going to call them on it and then I’m going to beat the shit out of them.… It’s going to be a historic night because all the kids out there will realize that you can do it with just hard work alone … he wants to say he has heart and all this different shit, but you can’t confuse steroids with heart…. It’s two different things, a guy with heart is a guy doing it with blood, sweat and tears, waking up with the sore back, the sore body..… What would happen in the old days when you get caught with a couple of aces up your sleeve, they kill the guy right there and that’s why I say Sean Sherk is dead…."
It's unfortunate that Marquardt has been cut from the UFC, as there is no place better to settle a score than inside the Octagon in front of thousands of screaming fans.
Anyone think Penn is out of line? Or just saying what needs to be said?
Opinions, please.
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I wish this was obtainable.... but it never will be....
which is why we need to regulate usage…. not blanket the entire thing as illegal or cheating. I love BJs heart but its slightly misplaced.
One example that shouldn’t be illegal is taking steroids in order to recover from an injury.
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I always thought low testosterone was just your body getting older.
But I agree with BJ and with you. Maybe it’s legitimate reasons Chael and Nate had but it’s funny I’ve never heard of TRT until these two.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
if it's for old people
then Todd Duffee shouldn’t be allowed to take it
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jun 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
if it’s for old people then
Todd DuffeeJesse Holland shouldn’tbe allowed to take it
Fixed
Last of the hopeless fools
You bastard. But you may have a point (dials shady NJ doc)
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Did "Uld" Murphy really just make an age joke?
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by ViolentMike on Jun 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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"Women want to be with me, men want to be like me, and animals want to learn to talk so they can hang out with me." Ray Lewis (Old Spice Ad)
We’re talking about guys in their early 30s, not a bunch of geriatrics. As much as I don’t want to agree with BJ, I agree with BJ.
I'm living on things that excite me, be they pastry or lobster or love.
i actually agree with BJ too..amazing as that sounds
but the added vigour and strength it gives you..hmmmm maybe i should take some..lol..but wait…my voice would get lower and i would have to start shaving my face…damn it…i don’t get to go on TRT…not fair..lol
anyone who takes hormones that don’t actually need em is abusing them..end of story
It is BS
If its regulated it means that it can be abused… Unless you can show me that the fighter’s life is at stake, it should be banned.
It’s just like saying “you were born too short so we’ll let you cheat.”
Sonnen
by Baxter086 on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Sonnen should be cut for his first transgression, the same should also apply to Belfort, Diaz, Sherk, Thiago Silva, Bonnar, Guillard, Diego Sanchez, Leben, Thiago Alves, then. Oh, and let’s not forget those in Strikeforce too: Antonio Silva, Barnet. I’m sure I’m missing many of them.
Not the roids, the crime.
Sonnen, Murray, Franca, Jackson that’s the list he should be on.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
big foot is the only one with a legite excuse to use peds
gigantism and all that (fucked up pituitary gland), it pains me to say it but yeah, even silva fucked up big time there
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
I believe the story with Bigfoot was that he never took any. It was just a very high level present in his system due to his gigantism.
That was his defense anway. Am I right?
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jun 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so.
He said his tumor (which is now removed) that caused the gigantism caused him to test positive. The problem was that he tested for something that would have nothing to do with his tumor.
by naturalshadow on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why Chael Sonnen is a joke! and Nate not far behind!!
Chael has always been a cry baby bitch and I am so glad Anderson beat him injured while he was cheating. Nate I liked the way he carried himself but he is not old and neither is chael and there the main guys who got caught. I agree with Bj completly.
It don't matter where you came from, its where your going!!!
by richmma4200 on Jun 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Many people are commenting that there are some holes in Nate’s story. Apparently he didn’t answer why he has low testoserone levels. He did get “caught” back in 2005.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe he admitted to using in 2005 and before.
He also said he thinks that’s why his testosterone levels are low
by emperorj on Jun 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BJ is 100% spot on! there are natural over the counter supplements that can boost your natural test levels if you need it. TRT is just an excuse for these guys to have a free pass to shoot themselves up with 10 times as much test than a normal 30 yr old would have. Look at nate’s body pre- TRT does it look like he has low test? f*ck no
It needs to be illegal so the playing field is level so you don't have to chose between fighting and putting chemicals in your body you don't need that could lead to harm.
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by Edgecrusher71 on Jun 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with him as well.
While there are obvious benefits to roids to help speed up an injury there is too much room for corruption. Also lately my confidence that TRT is on the up and up has waned.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree as well
If they arent able to get there bodies in shape to fight without using some drugs, then they shouldnt be fighting
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I don’t see the issue with PED’s in sports. Fans constantly bitch all the time about how boring shit have a bloodlust for knockout and exciting fights but they condemn anyone who uses PED’s.
It takes a rare individual to attain greatness in sports without some kind of chemical assistance, BJ is not really that guy. BJ is just plain lazy, even if BJ took steroids, nothing would change because that is who BJ is. He’ll have periods of intense drive and motivation, but every other time he’ll skip out early on training sessions and cheat on his diet (if he even follows one) and end up losing.
Everybody cheats and everybody is looking to stay ahead of the curve. Most of these guys have families to provide for and they aren’t making 6 figures like BJ who will go into the cage and get his ass kicked for 5 rounds and make $150K.
I can understand the moral boundary that some guys have and aren’t willing to cross for success, but that is their problem.
MMA and more specifically UFC, is a cutthroat organization and job security is at a minimum. If I’m a fighter, if it comes down to me needing to use Steroids to keep my job, make money and support my family you can bet your sweet ass I’m going to do it. Most of these guys don’t have an education or a Rich family like BJ to fall back on.
People need to get off their fucking high horses.
I understand your argument........
during the Barry Bonds debacle, at one point my attitude was “fuck it, these guys make zillions to do what they do…fuck em, if they want to risk their long term health to play in the majors, let em. They’re grown men and can decide for themselves. Hell, if taking steroids was the difference between being a major leaguer and a minor leaguer, i’d be injecting, sniffing, huffing and drinking as much of the shit as I could find.”
but….
at the end of the day, it’s about a level playing field. That’s really all it is. Athletes shouldn’t be forced to take the shit just to keep up. It’s gotta be the same for everyone. Think about it, if PED’s were not banned, and you had some people taking them and others that don’t, you’d still have the same debate, and people would continue to bitch about it. It’s best for everyone to just get rid of them, and then there can be no debate.
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The level playing field is a myth though.
There are completely legitimate and approved ways you can enhance your performance, but like I said there is always that moral boundary.
If it were legal and possibly to have surgery to..say harden your knuckles, but I’m not willing to go under the knife or I can’t afford to, how is that fair? (Just an example) or if I’m a Quarterback and I want to have Lasik surgery to improve my vision down the field but I don’t want some doctor sticking a knife in my eyeball, is that fair?
Then there are genetic things. Let’s say you and I both want to play pro basketball. That is our passion, we train equally as hard and that’s all we want to do. You are 5’6" and I’m 6’ 6".
Who do you think is going to wind up going pro? How is that fair.
There is not such thing as a level playing field. It’s is an imaginary concept.
I'm not I'm just citing examples.
There is no such thing as a level playing field. It’s myth conjured up by natural athletes who aren’t willing to cross that moral bridge to get to where they want to be, or need to be to attain and maintain greatness.
I’m not saying it’s right or it’s not cheating, because it is according to the rules. But you can’t honestly be surprised when they do. A lot is on the line and fighting is the only thing that some of these guys know.
I don’t care if athletes use AAS, I completely understand and it’s their body. Besides steroids make up for less than 10% of an athletes lifestyle. They aren’t doing all the work, you still have to train, you still have to be skilled, you still have to be motivated and disciplined and injecting some oil won’t do that.
This is about PED's and CHOICE.
The level playing field is strictly tied to PED’s, which is a choice that any athlete has the ability to make. Forget about the genetics argument, that is ridiculous. If you’re 5’6 and want to play pro basketball, tough fuckin shit….you wanna blame someone, blame your parents. There’s no choice involved there.
You did make an interesting point regarding the lasik surgery however. If you happen to have an aversion to surgical procedures, I guess that can be considered an unlevel playing field based on choice. It’s a little extreme in that they don’t use knives, and the probably of future problems from the surgery is extremely low…..and is certainly much lower than the potential long-term damages caused by PED’s…..but i can’t totally discount your logic there…..Lasik surgery is a choice, and potentially unevens the playing field……that’s kind of interesting when you think about it….
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Your Lasik surgery example really got me thinking…..so why are fans and the public in general so up in arms over PED’s, but not Lasik surgery? By your definition, both are choices, and both create a potentially unlevel playing field. It simply comes down to political correctness. Lasik surgery, with all of its laser-based enhancements, is celebrated as a miracle of modern medicine. PED’s (performance enhancing drugs) are just that……DRUGS = BAD!! That is pounded into our brains at the earliest of ages…by our parents, our teachers and most importantly, the Law. Drugs represent that morale boundary that you mentioned……It’s really too bad, I think the world would be a much better place if everyone smoked a little weed now and then….
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Lasik surgery is to correct a deficiency. PEDs are boosting
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jun 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Then tell me where does it end?
Why have any rules? Let them all cheat!
Then it becomes “he’s cheating too much”
The feeding the family argument is also ridiculous, sure you’ll make money but you risk losing everything at every fight.
by Baxter086 on Jun 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a true martial artist would stay in shape too BJ
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This man disagrees
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I'm guessing one of them didn't make weight.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jun 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He's in great shape.
Also off topic but in the documentary Freakonomics there is a really good chapter about Sumo in Japan, interesting stuff
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, that book and its sequal, SuperFreakonomics
Have been sitting on my shelf for far too long, I gotta finally just pick them up and read them. The whole story about the Chimp prostitution thing sounds weird.
by jestermarcus on Jun 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't know there was a sequal.
I saw the movie I didn’t read the book. It’s probably better.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
how much do they go for?
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no, no
I was talking about the monkey hookers!
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by FragglesHateKos on Jun 29, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm i don't seem to recall him ever missing weight...
Train hard to fight easy.
by the chubbster on Jun 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BJ is 100% correct.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with him
Its one thing to give the sport a shot and having some “case by case basis” situations, but it has obviously been taken advantage of. Just make it a zero tolerance. No doctors notes or anything.
enzo
Penn is right
and it is sad to hear how fighters line up defending Nate.
Personal and professional relationships man.
Nate is prolly a nice guy
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
fighters are ligning up do defend him
because he’s by far not the only one of trt, but he’s getting the axe. Hendo and Chael and other guys are doing it because of their low testosterone from years of weight cutting, they just didn’t screw over a main event, or they did it after the fact in Chael’s case
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Hendo should just start eating meat again.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Nate didn't condemn Chael Sonnen
I think we know why.
I’m glad that BJ Penn is consistent with his sh*t.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps he was being tongue in cheek?
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
fixed
Gotta love BJ bj’s
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
he is right, but TRT is not a PED
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
trt done right is still peds
you’re still putting non-naturally produced testosterone in your body but mainly the problem lies in the abuse of said doses of non-naturally produced testosterone
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
If you do TRT to the normal levels then it is not enhancing at all, in fact it just makes it more fair for the guy with low testesterone
still peds
you don’t get it, do you? non naturally produced testosterone going into your body, regardless of if you need or not, is still a ped. If your body sucks, too bad. You don’t see fighters loading their gloves when they have less power than their rivals, do you?
fedor > gsp > a. silva
it's much more impressive to control a guy like fitch for 5 rounds than it is to beat leites in any fashion. The quality of opposition tells a story as well.
do u know what trt is? its injecting testosterone into your body.. it is clearly a PED. I wouldnt buy this whole steroids as a treatment bs. TRT is injecting steroids.
by UFC Champ 420 on Jun 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
But TRT is...
a potential perfofmance enhancing hormone when used as such.
TRT is intended for those who have had their own ability to produce testosterone impaired. Aging, testicle removal, legitimate steriod usage are some reasons for TRT.
The treatment is only intended to raise levels of testosterone to normal levels. It is very easy to acheive these levels and maintain. What is difficult, is to cause spikes in testosterone levels that would result in a failed test, WITHOUT abusing the hormone.
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another cause for low testosterone: years of heavy weigh cutting
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying your not putting non-naturally produced testosterone in your body
but the NSAC says that’s fine if your doctor diagnoses you with low levels of testosterone. It’s not a performance enhancing DRUG. I personally don’t think it belongs in mma, but until the NSAC bans it, expect fighters to use it.
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
but until the NSAC bans it, expect fighters to use it
At this point, any fighter that uses it is a fuckin moron. Obviously it’s not easily controlled, and it seems the UFC has adopted a zero tolerance policy against it. I actually agree with BJ here, and the NSAC should ban it on the simple fact that it cannot be controlled.
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zero tolerance policy?
Don’t kid yourself, Chael and Hendo are both known to be on it. There are probably countless others using too.
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying Zero tolerance now, considering what happened to Nate this weekend. By kicking Nate out of the UFC, they’re obviously sending a message for these guys not to fuck around with that stuff anymore. After seeing what happened to Nate, anyone that takes that shit within a few months of a fight is a moron.
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I don't know about that
It’s an accepted “therapy” under the NSAC. I just think fighters will take this as a sign to have their blood levels more closely monitored coming up to fight time
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by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
if i’m not mistaken, Nate said he stopped taking it 6 weeks ago, and his levels were still so high that it prompted the NSAC to cancel the fight……….now if Nate is telling the truth, it’s obvious there isn’t much they can do to control it. Furthermore, it doesn’t matter if it’s an accepted therapy by the NSAC….what matters is whether it’s an accepted therapy by Dana and the UFC. This weekend’s ruling tells me it is no longer accepted. I’m sure they will find another way to cheat, but it looks as though TRT has run its course…..
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It's accepted
as long as you can pass medicals on time and not tank an entire event.
by Machiel Van on Jun 29, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It appears to be risky....
I guess the question is whether or not Nate was telling the truth. Suppose he did stop taking them six weeks ago…..if his levels were still off the chart, how early would he need to stop taking them to reach a level that’s acceptable to the NSAC? 10, maybe 12 weeks? Looking at the average length of a typical training camp, i don’t see the benefit of TRT if you’ll ultimately need to stop 10-12 weeks before the fight. Maybe there’s a benefit to a fighter that’s coming back from an injury, but it would seem that the consequences far outweigh the benefits.
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Every user fighting is a disgrace to the the sport. BJ is spot on, that’s why everyone needs to boycott all the cheaters and get rid of them.
None of this BS supporting Barnett, he’s a cheating scumbag and you kids need to do something about it. Goes against MMA in every way taking PED’s
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Im shocked at thr amount of people agreeing with BJ
I do as well, its just surprising.
by jestermarcus on Jun 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
With Penn on this topic
Just look at Marquardt and his history…realised couldnt get much further in MW so drops to WW, ridiculous…looking at the size of him and the act of trying to cut down to WW, hes already trying to get as much physical advantage as possible without even taking into account the TRT. Cant believe the number of Marquardt sympathisers…
Agree with the posters who say its cheating. Unless you actually need TRT, HGH or similar to function normally in everyday life, then its all purely for a physical advantage, anyone who thinks otherwise obviously believes that you should be able to take these “enhcancements”…
Rick Story was as big as Nate I dont understand the point on the physical advantage. Anthony Johnson and Thiago Alves are as big if not bigger then Nate
Johnson, yes...Thiago, no
"Women want to be with me, men want to be like me, and animals want to learn to talk so they can hang out with me." Ray Lewis (Old Spice Ad)
B.J.is absolutely correct! It’s cheating no matter what. You can dress it up any way you want, it’s a PED! Someone mentioned medical marijuana yesterday, same thing. You can get a Dr. to prescribe just about anything…for money. So maybe there won’t be as many guys fighting into there 40s,just like there’s no guys hitting 40 homers in there late 30s anymore.Clean up the sport, close the loopholes,zero tolerance! Look at B.J.,HE DOES PRETTY GOOD WITHOUT THEM!
It's always gonna be around in US sports
even Captain America is on roids. yea I said it
don't mess with your testosterone
your body WILL fight back
PEDs PEDs PEDs blah blah blah
I can tell just by looking at him! He’s obviously on roids! Cheaters! I’m not an athlete, but I know all about PEDs and medical ailments and all that stuff. Why? Because I post on MMA forums, duh! That means I throw unsubstantiated barbs and generalizations about things I know absolutely nothing about. Oh I read my facts somewhere, but I can’t say where. I know a doctor, so I know all about every medical issue and steroids and testing and everything and can condemn every athlete for anything I deem fit. I knwo so-and-so who’s a fighter and so I know everything about fighting and MMA and what the athletes go through at the UFC level! And you know what? I’m ALWAYS right, you’ll see when you try and argue with me! Derr-hur-hurr
. . . I totally agree with you but you do know that I am always right. I mean ALWAYS.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I hate ranting but these cliche steroid comments are just so rampant… it’s as if they’re on steroids!
by Machiel Van on Jun 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Machiel, you’re on the money. With the internet everybody becomes an overnight expert. I know I’m definitely guilty of this myself. The self-important views, argument really kills me some times. Please stop the madness. But this is the internet!
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever been in a gym?A mma gym? Ever put the gloves on and actually fought someone? Didn’t think so, because if you had, you would know there is some therarpeutic need for PED’s. And believe me, they are EVERY WHERE, It’s quite common. So until you can speak from experience,a fanboy such as yourself should stick with what you know.
I agree totally, Penn is absolutley rite.
But it is almost impossible to rid PED’s out of all sports. There is always some new designer drug that they havent found drug testing for that people use. Example, HGH. For awhile they didnt know how to test for it. Im sure there are similiar PED’s out there that are so new that some Commisions may not even know about them. As long as there is money to be made, people will do all they can to get an edge, even cheat. Im glad Penn isnt afraid to speak his mind on the subject but 1 piece of advice for BJ….. I dont think he uses any type of PED or ever did but if he ever does and gets caught then everything he said about it is garbage. PED’s plague all sports on almost every level. The competition is so high people will do anything to get an edge. High school football players in PA were just caught in a big steriod ring they had going on with there team, high schoolers! Hell, baseball didnt even care if there players used until Congress stepped in.
BJ Penn is kind of a whiner though
I remember after UFC 94, after the greasing allegations didn’t work out, he came right out and said he thinks GSP does steroids, and flat out admitted he had no evidence or proof other than the way he looks. Some people thought him bold to express his opinion, but I just thought it was pathetic. Just looking for any reason he lost other than that he is an inferior fighter.
http://chicagosmma.com/2009/08/bj-penn-thinks-st-pierre-does-steroids/
by Machiel Van on Jun 29, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I hate ranting but these cliche steroid comments are just so rampant… it’s as if they’re on steroids!
by Machiel Van on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Two Quick Thoughts
GSP did grease. Fact.
GSP looks physically great but not as -super-scientifically-awesome as Overeem. Fact. As far as we know, there’s nothing against eating horse.
Yes. BJ whines but . . . so does Nick Diaz. When Nick Diaz said that he’s not surprised that there are many fighters juicing in some form or fashion . . . it kind of becomes a FACT because Diaz gives THE absolute-UNDISPUTED best MMA interviews.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn't have been as big of a deal
if the comments hadn’t come immediately after his loss to St. Pierre. Diaz has talked about PEDs in the sport, but I don’t recall him accusing a specific fighter right after he lost to them.
He also then whined about the way Kevin Iole ran with his statement
what did he think was going to happen?
Kevin Iole is kind of (insert a bad word)
He tried to dismiss Anderson Silva’s UFC 101 performance.
“Pacquiao is as despicable as the rest of the bunch” -Kevin Iole on Manny Pacquiao’s decision to face Antonio Margarito.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
but if you publicly state “GSP is on steroids although I can’t prove it and don’t have any evidence,” you’ve got to expect journalists to go wild.
Good article on the Marquardt debacle
for anyone interested. Balanced view IMO.
if you can't use TRT in other sports, why should MMA be exempted?
MMA fighters who need to undergo this therapy should’ve even be competing in this sport in the first place. It’s plain out cheating, no matter how you call it.
People need to understand that low testesterone is also caused by other things then prior steroid abuse. I have a friend who is actually looking into this because he in fact does have low testesterone caused by a problem in his pitutary gland.
Nate is 32
someone who is as active in sports as he is should have enough chemical exchange to keep his body at a decent level.
and he started therapy at like what, 30-31?
he better have a pituitary issue or got kicked in the nuts if he wants to use an excuse
Its not out of the realm of possibilty, we all speculate that it was his past usage but really none of us know
low testosterone can happen from years of cutting weight
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter . . . who makes stairs.
by supernova224 on Jun 29, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with BJ on this one
BJ nailed it dead on. getting TRT would be like shooting up steriods. it’s a performance enhancer to these fighters. like penn said, if you can’t train or fight naturally, you have no business fighting in the first place
regarding 'Youre not a Doctor so you dont know...'
If you can read and comprehend at highschool level, or did human biology then or at 1st year uni level, then you know/can find out for yourself if you have an interest/want to fin dout more…the internet, textbooks, docos all are research material. How do you think doctors become doctors?
Add to that the fact that many Doctors nowadays are just glorified pharmaceutical drug pushers (esp in typical Western medical scene) and actually just prescribe treatment/medication from a book or the internet, I dont think an educated ‘opinion’ about TRT/PEDs on here is invalid…
In this day and age, people who still put most of their faith in some so called ‘expert’ telling them to do this or that are fools. We’re all somewhat brainwashed growing up to respect/trust/concede to particular types of people/profession but as you get older you see/experience so many situations where these people lack the integrity that youve been brainwashed into thinking is automatically there.
When you see/go in court and they say stand for the “honourable” judge “abc…” think why? WTF is this mofo? How come I need to stand for him? Why is he honourable…? see how politicians also have the title starting with “The Honourable…” yeah fkn right he/she is honourable!
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