Did the Manny Pacquiao vs Shane Mosley fight result reaffirm MMA's dominance over boxing?
Last night, May 7, 2011, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, the man widely regarded as the greatest boxer on Earth, Manny Pacquiao, showed once again why he is exactly that by dominating Shane Mosley over 12 rounds.
The fight, although highly anticipated (if, for nothing else, the return of Pacquiao), disappointed in larger circles due to its lack of competitiveness. From our very own Patrick L. Stumberg:
After a decent couple rounds that saw the aging veteran find success with a jab and tight guard, Mosley was sent to the canvas in the third by the Filipino wrecking ball and never recovered.
While Shane survived the remaining rounds, he generated practically no offense, aside from a shove, which was rather grievously mislabeled a knockdown, and he was repeatedly on the wrong end of a wicked left straight.
As is the case with most discussions of combat sports these days, the "rivalry" between boxing and MMA reared its ugly head once again.
Fight fans that plunked down their hard-earned cash to catch the Pacquiao vs. Mosley pay-per-view (PPV) were treated to one of the pound-for-pound best in the world plying his trade, in his prime, against a man who, while outclassed and not expected to win, was at least worthy opposition.
But that's not good enough when compared to the UFC ... at least not to some.
In a scathing piece for CBSSports.com, Gregg Doyel explains why the biggest boxing shows anymore are "the best advertisement for the UFC."
Only the biggest boxing fights get our attention, and when a big one finally comes around -- as it did Saturday when Manny Pacquiao fought Shane Mosley -- we watch it or read about it. And we are reminded:
This is why the UFC is moving ahead of boxing.
If you watched Mosley run from Pacquiao for 12 rounds, you know what I'm talking about. If you didn't, here you go. Those are the "highlights," such as they are. It's Pacquiao moving forward, and Mosley moving backward. It's one fighter trying his best not to get knocked out, and to that end, Mosley succeeded. Pacquiao took the unanimous decision, sweeping every round on two of the three judges' cards, but Mosley did what he wanted to do. He survived 12 rounds. In a sense, he won.
Boxing lost.
Boxing almost always loses on a night like this, because the fight rarely lives up to the hype.
Doyle goes on to explain that the hierarchy in boxing is laughable in comparison to mixed martial arts because all of the top boxers in the world today are at least 32 years of age and older.
MMA is a young mans game and it's killing boxing, or so he claims.
This point is driven home even further when mixed martial arts fans take a flyer on a boxing match, such as Pacquiao vs. Mosley, because of the hype it generates in the combat sports world.
Those fans that took a chance were treated to a match-up that was not competitive and wasn't exactly full of action and excitement.
And while boxing purists dispute that fact and build up the legitimacy of such a bout, the point remains: when compared to MMA, of which it no doubt will be, it doesn't seem to hold up.
Doyle goes on to bring up the recent UFC 129: "St. Pierre vs. Shields" event that featured a main event that failed, on a massive scale, to live up to expectations.
And here I'll entertain the other side, just to squash it. I'll entertain the argument that the best MMA fighter in the world, UFC 170-pound champion Georges St. Pierre, has been unable to finish his past four opponents, or five of his past six. And it's true. But when GSP fights on pay-per-view, we're not spending $44.99 just to watch GSP. We get six or seven other fights, and to use GSP's most recent appearance on April 30 as an example, one of those fights ended when Lyoto Machida knocked out Randy Couture with a foot to the face. Another fight ended in 20 seconds when Vladimir Matyushenko knocked out Jason Brilz with an uppercut. Four other fights ended in the first round, the finishes coming so fast, one after another, that the UFC was able to squeeze in fights from the unaired portion of the card between the live fights on the PPV schedule.
That's MMA. That's the UFC. Fights end so quick, they have to show you more.
He is correct in his assertion that UFC 129 featured a bevy of interesting fights that ended in spectacular manner. He even left out the fact that the entire card, from the opening bout to the main event, was available for viewing in some capacity.
From Pablo Garza's flying triangle submission over Yves Jabouin to John Makdessi's spinning back fist knockout of Kyle Watson and on up to Lyoto Machida's flying front kick knockout of Randy Couture, the April 30 event at the Rogers Centre in Toronto had it all.
The same can not be said of the "Pacquiao vs. Mosley" event, at least not as far as exciting finishes go. That doesn't mean it didn't have plenty of incredible action.
It should be noted that the Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. vs. Jorge Arce super bantamweight bout was an amazing title fight and one I hope Doyle witnessed so as to get the full scope of the event.
Let's go back to Stumberg for his commentary on the co-main event:
Pre-emptively making up for the main event were super bantamweights Jorge Arce and Wilfredo Vázquez, Jr., who engaged in a spectacular back-and-forth slugfest that lived up to the great Mexico-Puerto Rico battles of the past.
The undefeated Vázquez, who entered the ring with a third of the experience and wear-and-tear of the veteran Arce, went toe-to-toe with his Mexican foe and even dropped him with an absolutely perfect left hook at the end of the fourth.
Arce came back with a vengeance, forcing a lively Vázquez into the ropes and outlasting him in a brilliant slugfest that saw the elder Vázquez throw in the towel with two minutes remaining in the fight.
An incredible upset and well worth the price of admission.
Indeed, Arce put together an incredible display of heart and grit that surely electrified those that had the chance to see it.
Is it fair to continually compare boxing to MMA? Sure ... but it's also a bit nearsighted and while they share the common bond of both falling under the umbrella of a combat sport, there are intricacies in both that are often unappreciated by viewers looking for something to harp on.
Is that what Doyle is doing? Maybe. Maybe not.
But his opinion is shared by many; enough to say that MMA, the fastest growing sport in the world, has grown past one of the great pastimes in sports, boxing.
Agree or disagree?
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Anderson Silva is without a doubt the G.O.A.T. and best P4P to which there's no debate. People may try but they'll lose! GSP hasn't done what Silva has in 2 weight classes plus can't finish people in his own division who haven't moved up from LW. Fedor has less names on his padded resume and was once the top HW but then ducked the best and lost to guys who are barely top 10. Anderson is the G.O.A.T. no matter what the haters who boo him say. They used to boo Ali too. Anderson Silva is Michael Jordan but Jon Jones is LeBron James!
the purses dont say yes!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Who gives a shit about the purses if you're not a fighter though?
From a fan’s POV… absolutely! I use to be a big fan of boxing but now it’s hard to watch and it’s to the point where it’s hard to believe that all boxing fans wouldn’t like MMA better if they really gave it a shot. Maybe those old dinosaurs but middle age guys like 35-45 at least.
Anderson Silva is without a doubt the G.O.A.T. and best P4P to which there's no debate. People may try but they'll lose! GSP hasn't done what Silva has in 2 weight classes plus can't finish people in his own division who haven't moved up from LW. Fedor has less names on his padded resume and was once the top HW but then ducked the best and lost to guys who are barely top 10. Anderson is the G.O.A.T. no matter what the haters who boo him say. They used to boo Ali too. Anderson Silva is Michael Jordan but Jon Jones is LeBron James!
oh of course its burying boxing
the only fights im interested in are pacman/mayrunner and haye/klitschko.theres no one off the top of my head whos coming through either.all i meant about the purses was theres still way more money in boxing so it cant be dead yet
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
way more money for the main event guys
How much coin did the rest of the guys on the card haul in?
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 8, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Same fights that I want to see
Along with Khan-Bradley and Froch-Ward, as well as the winner fighting Kessler to crown the best SMW (Calzaghe shouldn’t come back and Kessler has unfinished business with both men after his withdrawal from the super 6). DeGale-Groves will be the top domestic fight this year and Cleverly and Brook should be getting world title shots this year as well.
What the UFC does a lot better than boxing is stack their cards so even if the main event sucks the rest of the show is worth watching as was the case with 129. The Magnificent 7 was a PPV stacked with exciting fights but it lacked a quality main event with one of our bigger names and the majority of big fights that capture the mainstream attention have lousy undercards. It doesn’t help that the top fighters have been fighting lesser opposition either, since Cotto all of Mannys fights were mismatches with his opponents coming in to survive not win. Until he is challenged by someone who is world class today like Mayweather or Berto or even Khan once he moves up then boxing will have a show bigger than anything that MMA could ever offer but as of right now the shitty matchmaking and one show cards are making boxing PPVs a lot less value for money than the UFCs. Boxing may be the much bigger sport in terms of mainstream coverage but the UFC is going to continue to dominate the PPV Market until the boxing promoters and fighters work together to give the fans the fights and cards that they want.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
by David W-S on May 8, 2011 7:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty soon they will be losing the mainstream coverage battle as well, if not already.
ESPN is finally starting to really get behind MMA, or at least the UFC anyway. They have been highlighting it on sportscenter for a while now, and after showing the primetime shows for the last card, you have to figure there are talks of doing more together in the works.
by naturalshadow on May 8, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not only the stacking of the cards though...
there’s just so many cool things that can happen in an MMA fight that you’ll never see in a boxing match. Look how cool Machida’s kick on Randy was… no KO in boxing could ever excite me that much or look that cool.
Someday MMA will get to that point where the MMA guys make alot more money and it’s to be expected with how young the sport is. Look how long it took for boxers to get paid major bucks.
As for main stream coverage… yes it still has a ways to go but sooner or later the suits on HBO and/or network TV will cave in with the growing popularity of this sport AND younger suits will take over already knowing how good MMA is where as the dinosaur’s who won’t give it a change will either retire or die out. lol We still have 10 or 15 years before this sport becomes really main stream but it will happen. MMA’s capturing the attention of young people more so than boxing is too and the older crowds who already like MMA more will continue to and boxing’s fan base will further shrink down. It just takes TIME.
Anderson Silva is without a doubt the G.O.A.T. and best P4P to which there's no debate. People may try but they'll lose! GSP hasn't done what Silva has in 2 weight classes plus can't finish people in his own division who haven't moved up from LW. Fedor has less names on his padded resume and was once the top HW but then ducked the best and lost to guys who are barely top 10. Anderson is the G.O.A.T. no matter what the haters who boo him say. They used to boo Ali too. Anderson Silva is Michael Jordan but Jon Jones is LeBron James!
Money is the reason for farces like we saw last night. Mosley fought to win for maybe 1 round and survived the rest.
As long as there is that much money being thrown around in boxing, Promoters and fighters will continue to rob the fans blind.
Mosley pocketed probably close to 5 million dollars for that joke of a fight last night where he basically covered up for 12 rounds like Clottey.
And fans shelled out $50-$80 (depending on if you bought it in HD) to watch it. And this isn’t just one occurrence, this is consistently all the time in boxing
GSP/Shields was boring in it’s own right, but at least the rest of the card was good.
oh for sure im not sticking up for boxing
they always go with 1 fight cards and get away with it.Uve got to blame the idiot fans for shelling out that kind of dough,if they started boycotting ppvs then something would have to be done simples!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Anyone with the sightest boxing knowledge knew that this was going to be another walkover for Pacman
Mosley is now 6-6-1 in his last 13, why anyone would pay money expecting to see a competetive fight between him and Pacman is beyond me.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
by David W-S on May 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. The Co main was good.
by hexbreaker on May 8, 2011 10:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes David. But he has name recall and the ability to put butts in their seats
The only one that can be competitive and defeat Pacquaio is Mayweather. You mentioned Berto in a previous post but he was routed by Victor Ortiz, of all people, in their last fight.
Professional sig bet record: 1-1-1
it reminded me of UFC 129
i’m definatly prefer MMA over boxing but paid for this fight, and it reminded me of UFC 129. the undercard was excellent with stoppages and toe 2 toe battles but the main event was a disapointment, just like GSP vs Shields, the undercard at UFC 129 was good, the main event was horrible
He didn't finish???
He must suck! Worst ever!!
(sarcasm)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I see what you did thar
But manny atleast tried. GSP is content jabbing his way to a UD. Can’t say I blame him but not
Convincing me to buy any of his fights that’s all
by soupdz28 on May 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except for the headkick and all the overhand rights.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
and the fact that he couldn't see
Which was more then reason enough why he slowed as the fight progressed. Here’s 5 examples that are indisputable:
http://www.mondaymorningblackbelt.com/?p=3990
www.momdaymorningblackbelt.com
by daniel worby on May 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I forgot to mention the most exciting part of the fight
it was at the beginning, the very beginning. I couldn’t tell if pac was going to hug and kiss or smack around that guy that sung him in for his intro.
by I.AM.miSTAKen on May 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your argument Greg
but for me PPV buys speak loudest. Boxing promoters have the balls to publicly release that info, the UFC doesn’t, they may make more cash because theres shows every month but the fact is we have maybe 1 fighter that can break a million on his own, GSP, Penn, Jones, Silva, Edgar, Velasquez, and Cruz can’t.
I dont compare revenue cuz thats just not fair, UFC runs the plantation with no chance to become co-owners like Mayweather, Pacquiao and ODLH have done.
fighting is like sex in that
if you don’t have an exciting finish everyone leaves disappointed. Quote me on that.
Everyone left disappointed at the end of:
Fedor vs. Cro Cop, Fedor vs. Big Nog, Griffin vs. Bonnar, Shogun vs. Lil Nog, Sanchez vs. Parisyan . . . should I go on?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
yeah everyone definitely left disappointed aftrer Griffin vs. Bonnar… Possibly one of the most popular fights that brought the fans in….
I think you could have even just left it with that one Greg in terms of how that fight impacted the sport!
Sensei Seagal is still the P4P best trainer in MMA today. I was a fool for picking a loser like "Captain Paycheque" Randall Duane Couture. All of his fans are losers just like him, now they need to find a new loser to idolise.
Pro sig bet record: 1-2-0
I thought it could have been better (main event)
Two different sports, but i would rather watch boxing any day than mma, it looks bad for the sport because the casual fan only knows pac, and he is being put on a pedestal. His last three fights have been terrible against guys he shouldnt be fighting if he is the P4P king, i dont think he wants to fight mayweather, and mayweather doesnt want to fight him, the undercard was really good, vasquez vs arce is another fight of the year canidate, there has been 4 FOY canidates in the past two months, there hasnt been that many in mma, its just no one appreciates boxing because of mma
Boxing is all about not fighting
Its top guys are shrimps with no power fighting with pillows.
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
hahaha
Made me lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
what if you played both, like Bo Jackson?
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
That was baseball. Although I bet Bo played it all are some point.
by hexbreaker on May 8, 2011 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love mma. love boxing!
But there is no card/fight in mma that will do the business that manny vs mayweather would. And as long as that dream fight is hanging in the air boxing pundits and boxing purists will have that fight to throw in the face of any mma fan or zuffa employee lol. Boxing isnt what it was. But on any given night, anywhere that has smokers you can find a fight very similar to any of the ward vs gotti wars and boxing will always have that in their back pocket until that generation dies off. But the beautifal thing is we dont have to chose watch both and enjoy it. The boxing vs mma argument is as stupid as tits vs ass they are both great!!
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
The biggest superfight(s) in MMA are closer to being a reality than Pac/Mayweather, which is boxings only big superfight
I dont disagree with that at all.
But manny vs mayweather will get way more ppv buys then a card with gsp vs silva headlining. Even if the undercard was stacked. Boxing may be dying, but right now has a bigger fan base than mma. Not only that, if boxing had just one unified belt as opposed to 50, like the ufc does they would draw from a way bigger audience. The mainstream free publicity a manny/mayweather fight would garner would cost the ufc millions ontop of millions. MMA may be making alot of headway, but we’ve all been at a bar or a friends house and the second the fight went to the grown some uneducated guy/girl sitting with us said" look at these fags rolling around on the ground" lol Every boxing fight offers something a ufc bout cant offer everytime, the KO and thats always going to be a selling point. I watch all the ufc and strikeforce events, as many strikeforce challengers events, as much boxing after dark, K-1 and sho events that i can. Enjoy it all as much as u can.
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad thing is.. The TUF Finale of 2015 will get more views than Pac/Money
Because it will actually happen
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on May 8, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
i thought it was danago at first. Bravo RJ Bravo sir. Free tv vs ppv is a wonderful non argument lol
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell..the TUF Final closed circuit broadcast inside the arena will get more views than pac/Money
But nice deflection.
The beauty of MMA superfight discussions is that are never very far from happening while boxing superfights…well THE boxing superfight won’t.
Which also underscores just how laughable to boxing vs MMA discussion is. MMA is growing. Boxing is dead. Money and pac are already more or less retired. There is no one else.
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on May 8, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing will never die
It still costs alot less to become a amazing boxer then a amazing mixed martial artist so your poorer background boxer will always be there. Plus its a cultural thing the name Chavez means alot more to a up n comer mexican fighter then the name Valesquez does right now. Within the next twenty years will that change more than likely but for right now no.
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Already Dead
No one hears about anything not involving Pac or money and both are done.
A press conference between pac and money would get more actual interest than any possible main event over the next year or so.
and as soon as people realize that fight will never actually happen, its over
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on May 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats where your underestimating boxing
No other sport has sold more seats, got more buys with smoke and mirrors then boxing RJ.
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Its too much to say its dead RJ
It will never die as long as there are people who wanted to see slugfests.
It might not rake in the current audience it is enjoying but soon as new fighters like Nonito Donaire, Amir Khan, Victor Ortiz, Maidana and others develop, it will still remain relevant.
Professional sig bet record: 1-1-1
ofcourse people hear about other fighters
do you buy the boxing press? the ring? boxing news/monthly? do you visit any boxing websites? watch any blogs etc? watch the fights on tv most weekends? that’s probably why you don’t hear about it then. If you didn’t visit this website or the ufc site or buy fighters only or anything else mma related would you know what was going on with mma just by watching regular news and tv without seeking out mma stuff?
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on May 9, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i would rather watch gsp and silva or jon jones fight then manny vs mayweather
at least we would know what manny and mayweather would do….
plus..the undercard of GSP/Silva
would have some relevant fights on it.
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on May 8, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What is a relevant fight??
Aldo, gsp, and silva are dominating and have beat their biggest threats, who is gonna beat Edgar or Maynard? The lhw division can change the champion but there is only a handful in the mix of contender status, maybe 4 guys in the hw division, so all other fights mean nothing, how many fights did it take fitch to get a title shot compared to Brock???
by antone04 on May 8, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
since when did any MMA HW "earn" a titlw shot
Brock’s pre-title fight win was one of the best in recent years.
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on May 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no it wouldn't
gsp vs silva would be the only relevant fight on the card because dana knows that card would do well no matter who else he put on the card.
Jake shields sucks
Cultural Consciousness
Here in Spokane there’s been a couple different minor league UFC-style events in the past few months. I haven’t heard about a boxing card in years.
On TV there are several stations vying to show UFC events. Boxing might be on ESPN2 on a Friday night, unless they get a better offer, like lacrosse.
There will always be boxing, but the day of Boxer as Cultural Royalty is dead and gone.
I disagree with the cultural royalty line
A Knock out artist heavyweight thats american can still be a god!
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is there havent been any American KO artists since a prime Tyson
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by David W-S on May 8, 2011 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really??
I thought there was a tonne of them lol Once in a generation thing, but if it happens its gonna be HUGE!!! Support your Rockport Gambino Ford lmao
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
boxing mma
Love both sports but for me mma is king. I order every ufc ppv and watch all the other strikeforce events and bellator ect. Boxing is not what it once was for me and there are only a few fights that interest me while mma on the other hand has countless fights that I can’t wait too see.
by biggant on May 8, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
wrong, wrong, wrong
That’s RIDICULOUS, you have to be completely bias if you don’t think the UFC is in the EXACT SAME BOAT as boxing is when it comes to delivering exciting PPVs. More often than not the main events on UFC PPVs turn out to be rather horrid.
St. Pierre vs Shields – you can’t tell me that match was any better. Also, this was a fight many expected the challenger to pose a decent threat to the P4P best. Didn’t happen, the two didn’t even look like they were in the same league and the fight wasn’t exciting.
You can’t tell me that’s any better than the Mosley/Pac fight.
Let’s go to another hyped up main event in Rashad Evans vs Rampage – all the trash talk and excitement that led up to that bout and the thing was a complete snore fest.
If you go back and look at all of the UFC PPV’s the majority of them were either completely boring or totally uncompetitive.
Jon Jones vs Rua – not a competitive match
Penn vs Fitch – boring
Silva vs Belfort – wasn’t competitive
St. Pierre vs Koscheck 2 – wasn’t competitive and boring
Lesnar vs Cain – wasn’t competitive
Mir vs Cro Cop – extremely boring
The list goes on and on, where time and time again a fight receives major publicity, we expect it to be competitive, but ultimately it doesn’t deliver.
Rare in the UFC main events do we see both a competitive, and exciting match.
So, it’s nonsensical to blast boxing for one disappointment when the UFC is littered with them as well. Plus, there have been some good main event PPVs in boxing of late.
Boxing is better
Boxing and ground game is an art, mma striking with the exception of a few fighters, is complete garbage
by antone04 on May 8, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Antone gtfo
So overeem stand up is garbage bay berry anderson nick diaz amd so many more stand up is garbage yeah fuckin right
by 209stk on May 8, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lmao
Overeem wouldnt get within a foot of a top tier hw let alone either klitschko.Diaz wouldnt touch 50 year old Hopkins. Pat berry wouldnt be a third of the fighter without the kicks. Just cause Goldberg says so doesnt mean you can compare mma striking to boxing come on 209!lol
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't take kicks away from the argument.
If you take away kicks, elbows, and knees, then of course nobody comes close to the elite in boxing, but that is because what you have left IS boxing. If you are talking about striking as a whole, then most of those boxers get tooled. Who wouldn’t Anderson kill in boxing if all strikes were available? He wouldn’t even need the ground game.
by naturalshadow on May 8, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasnt talking about k-1 rules, mma or muay thai
was talking solely boxing , off of what 209 was saying shadow.
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by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if you meant solely boxing, then of course I agree.
That will always be the case since mma fighters have to train a lot more than just their hands. I was talking more along the lines of overall striking. Kicks, punches, elbows, knees, etc.
by naturalshadow on May 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
There isnt one k-1 fighter who wouldnt murder a boxer with those rules, other then sapp who was just a arm striker lol As much as i would love to see manny vs mayweather, or jones vs silva. The fight I always think of would be a match up of Buakaw vs Dekkers in his prime I woulda needed a second mortgage and a time machine lol Better stop talking kickboxing or Im gonna get kicked out by the trolls lol
Tried other mma sites but the perfect balance of intelligent posters, donkey cavities, trolls and racists has been perfected at mmamania. Lmao. Shame on me for straying!
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on May 8, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The real terrible this is...
Most mma fighters have no head movement, footwork, or technique( keeping hands up while punching or kicking) and most have no jab, everyone has to admit, the striking game is very sloppy, but it the fans happy, because most wanna see a standup war(sloppy-no defense striking)
by antone04 on May 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't I say with the exception of a few??
I’m just saying, the majority of mma fighters have terrible standup, it’s sloppy, look at chuck, very sloppy, not all of them, but most
by antone04 on May 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ufc
Same boat as boxing…… the ufc is on a cruise ship and boxing is on a sinking rowboat. You can name fights all day long that you say are boring or non competitive but Lesner Cain was exciting Silvia Before was exciting and the same with Jones Rua.I love both sports but you must be a mma hater with your comments and by the way Mosely vs Manny was competetive?
by biggant on May 8, 2011 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be completely honest:
i love both sports, but what sets boxing on top over mma is the worldwide attention it gets. you don’t see the pride countries have in their fighters in mma. the national pride in boxing is almost as equivalent to that of soccer
This has happened in MMA
and imo it was uglier. At least Manny made some fun moments happen. I forget his name, but we’ve seen a guy in the octagon run backwards from bell to bell, a couple yrs back
Boxing dosnt get exciting
anymore it needs a face lift.
MMA is the top fighting sport and will be for a while
check the playlist and youll see why
One of the most pointless articles I've seen on mania
They’re two completely different sports, and in terms of PPV and promotions etc they don’t really have anything to do with each other. Bob Arum and Dana White are not in direct competition with one another.
I appreciate that they are both combat sports, but baseball and and golf both involve hitting a ball with a stick, and nobody ever has arguments about which one is “dominant”. When it comes to a choice for which one to wach, it has nothing to do with being loyal to one, or that one might be generally more exciting, it’s about the fighters, I’d rather watch Pac man fight anyone than watch Bisping vs Akiyama, but I’d rather watch Bones Jones than a Klitschko fight. but how many times has that even been an issue, having to choose?
Just let boxing be boxing and let mma be mma.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on May 9, 2011 5:46 AM EDT reply actions
Good post.
I do think the fact that both boxing and MMA use a PPV model makes them more in direct competition than baseball and golf (because fans of combat sports may have to choose between the two if they’re financially strapped), but since there are many other avenues for watching them even that is tenuous. Overall they are very different entities that can be enjoyed independently on their respective merits.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

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