Saturday Night's Mania Event: Jake Shields eye pokes Georges St. Pierre at UFC 129 ... but was it intentional?
Saturday Night's Mania Event is back, despite heavy competition from both Bellator 43 and the mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Shane Mosley.
That's alright, though, because we've got business to take care of.
In the wake of one of the most successful events in the history of the UFC, there are questions that need asking in regards to the main event that marred the entire show.
Was Jake Shields intentionally trying to poke Georges St. Pierre in the eye at UFC 129 this past Saturday, April 30, 2011, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada?
To start, it should be immediately established that an eye poke did, in fact, occur and it was the main culprit in causing GSP to lose vision in his left eye for most of the duration of the fight.
It was not a punch to the eye, as Shields initially commented at the post-fight press conference. It was a vicious poke, or maybe even scrape is a better term.
There are many layers to this occurrence that need to be discussed. Should the fight have been allowed to continue after the infraction, in which St. Pierre's sight was clearly compromised to the point of dangerousness?
Does someone need to tell Greg Jackson, trainer to the stars, that it's simply irresponsible for him to outright dismiss this fact when his fighter made him aware of it between rounds?
Did the ringside doctors and the entire commission drop the ball in regards to this entire incident?
Lots to talk about, ladies and sirs, let's get right to it.
Let's start with the fact that St. Pierre was, without a shadow of a doubt, poked in the eye by Shields and suffered an injury, which turned out to be a build-up of blood in his eye that obstructed his vision and required treatment of which is still ongoing as of this writing.
"Rush's" trainer, Firas Zahabi, who was cornering him on fight night, detailed the exact point in which he witnessed the poke:
"Luckily it was just blood in the eye and not the detached retina. This occurred after the swipe to the face. When he threw that open handed hook, that was recorded, I complained to the ref immediately. I saw it, I completely saw it. I complained about it immediately to the referee that it was an open hand swipe to the face. I don't think it was intentional, but I mean it still happened, and he should get a warning and it should be kept in mind that he's punching with an open hand. It's not right, it's very dangerous."
Shields was NOT warned and the poke went unnoticed by everyone until later replays showed exactly what happened. In fact, even ringside commentators Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan, who had access to countless replays, were not aware of the poke. They initially thought the same as Shields and blamed a punch.
What happened next was one of the most reckless and irresponsible exchanges you will ever hear inside the Octagon.
Here is the conversation that occurred between St. Pierre and Greg Jackson after the former went to his corner following the second round.
St. Pierre - "I can't see with my left eye."
Jackson - "It doesn't matter. You've got one eye, it's fine. Listen to me, Georges. Ignore that, you've got one eye, you're fine. Look at me. You're fine. You can see me, you can see the punches. Now listen. Relax, calm down, find your center."
Reading that again is almost sickening.
Here is this world-renowned trainer, who is supposed to have his fighters best interests at heart, and he's literally telling him it's no big deal that he can't see out of one of his eyes.
Uh ... what?
The lack of outrage, or even the calls for some sort of explanation for this, is dumbfounding.
What should have taken place, was a doctor needed to come inside the Octagon and give a thorough examination of GSP to make sure he was fit to continue fighting. And if he was being truly forthcoming in that he had almost no vision in one of his eyes, then the fight should have been stopped.
And we would have a new welterweight champion.
That's because the title would have changed hands due to doctor stoppage, despite the fact the damage was caused by an illegal infraction on the part of the challenger.
Had Shields been called for a foul, the way he should have been, and the doctors would have deemed St. Pierre unfit to continue, as they should have, the belt would not have changed hands.
What a mess.
Yet, no one is being held responsible for these grievous oversights.
And now on we go to the big one and one that has recently been given quite a bit of play on message boards and forums all over the Internet.
Was Jake Shields intentionally trying to poke Georges St. Pierre in the eyes?
First of all, Shields head trainer, Cesar Gracie, told us at MMAmania.com that he brought in a new boxing coach for Jake and his stand-up game was on point in the fight:
"He hurt St. Pierre, broke his nose, popped his eye and I was really surprised how well he did standing with the guy. I got a new boxing coach, this guy named Mario (L'Esperance) and the guy really tuned up Jake's game. He was throwing a great jab. He landed the right hand a couple times really hard. I really think he caught GSP off track to see how good Jake's come along in the stand-up department."
This seemed to be supported in some ways, if for no other reason then the fact that Shields, widely regarded as a sitting duck on his feet, was not completely blown out by the champion.
Why exactly is that? Could it be that from the second round onward, the French-Canadian was handicapped?
On the surface, this all seems well and good. Except a deeper look, with some extremely incriminating photos and .gifs, reveal that Shields may have known exactly what he was doing with those open-fingered four-ounce gloves.
Let's look at a photo by Tracy Lee of Yahoo! Sports:
I'm not exactly a boxing aficionado but that doesn't look like a proper defensive technique, nor an effective offensive weapon ... unless the point is to gauge your opponents eyes out, shades of Hollywood Hulk Hogan in his nWo days.
This picture actually isn't that bad, considering it's often nothing more than instinct in the cage and reactions vary based on impending dangers.
Let's look at another photo.
Now that is a pretty blatant thumb in the eye. Again, you could say he's simply acting on instinct and this was not intentional, but if you're throwing your arms out to block against the overhand right GSP is throwing, what's the point of sticking your thumb out in that manner?
Is there any?
How about a few .gifs to illustrate what looks to be pretty shady striking on the part of Jake.
Remember, Shields came into this fight with greatly improved stand-up thanks to a new boxing coach.
I didn't realize a wide arcing, open-handed scrape across the face was effective boxing technique. And again, I fail to see the effectiveness of such a strike, even if it lands perfectly.
And another one:
What's this? An effective counter jab? A straight left? But again, the fingers are open and out and this time it looks like a blatant attempt on the part of Shields at pushing his fingers directly into St. Pierre's face.
One last .gif to illustrate.
Where is this improved boxing?
That's actually become a crux in the argument against any nefarious activities on the part of Shields. There are a select few that have taken the stance that his stand-up game is so horrifically bad, that he simply did this because he doesn't know any better and that's his natural reaction to the situation at hand.
To which I call bullshit.
Cesar Gracie brings in a coach specifically to advance Shields stand-up skills and this is the result?
Don't think so.
It's a slippery slope any time you call into question whether or not a fighter is playing by the rules. In this instance, it's not unreasonable to think there are more than a few of you who will come away from this with the idea that Jake Shields is a dirty fighter.
I'm not endorsing that message, nor is it what I seek to convey.
However, I do think it's necessary to look into this occurrence, if, for nothing else, future fights that have so much on the line. It is absolutely unacceptable that Shields is throwing open-handed strikes in that manner, especially in the fifth round of the fight when St. Pierre's eye was unquestionably at its worst.
It's also utterly and completely unsatisfactory that GSP was allowed to return to his corner and have his coaches simply dismiss his injury as irrelevant.
While I can appreciate why that method of psychology was employed, with victory in mind and nothing else, that's precisely the problem. Winning should not represent the be all, end all in this, or any, sport.
Safety matters ... or at least it should.
Yes, it's admirable that St. Pierre showed the heart of a champion in battling through such a debilitating injury. However, it's equally stupid and just as appalling that he was allowed that opportunity in the first place.
Let's hope some changes are made so the health and well being of the fighters that drive this wonderful sport are always kept in mind above all else.
I attempted to contact Jake Shields and his management to obtain a response to the allegations that he was purposely trying to poke St. Pierre in the eye and received no response.
Props go out to the Underground for the .gifs.
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This kind of instigation will get you slapped in the 209.
by adrian509 on May 7, 2011 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
His eye got jack up from a punch though...
not an eye poke. They showed it during the fight.
Anderson Silva is without a doubt the G.O.A.T. and best P4P to which there's no debate. People may try but they'll lose! GSP hasn't done what Silva has in 2 weight classes plus can't finish people in his own division who haven't moved up from LW. Fedor has less names on his padded resume and was once the top HW but then ducked the best and lost to guys who are barely top 10. Anderson is the G.O.A.T. no matter what the haters who boo him say. They used to boo Ali too. Anderson Silva is Michael Jordan but Jon Jones is LeBron James!
It was an eyepoke.
The punch theory has been thoroughly disproven, repeatedly.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It wasn’t just an eye poke, it was a series of really blatant eye pokes.
In fact.in the.second gif above, it actually looks like shields opens his hand just before making contact.
I could say the same about the first gif, but it might just be the angle – the second gif, I think its clear enough that he opens his hand.
And before you get into it, I like gsp, but I DO think that he has tended to err on the side of caution in some recent fights, which is less than exciting for the fans, so don’t be calling me a nuthugger, because its not correct.and it makes you sound like a tool.
by Irish Chris on May 8, 2011 4:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All of a sudden eye pokes are a big deal? Oh yea bc it happened to GSP!
Either way, GSP sucked the first 2 rounds anyway. Funny how all of the GSP fans are blowing this out of proportion especially since their the same ones who didn’t believe that Silva had a rib injury during the Sonnen fight. I have never heard him give an excuse EVER, plus he won!
Freenow; GSP fans will always give excuses as to why he CAN’T finish!
The post about the best pound for pound fighter says it all! Fact is GSP doesn’t win fights, he just scores more points. Yea that’s exciting! I sound like a broken record about this, but so do GSP’s fans.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
yeah poked eyes are no big deal
i pray you arent trying to get into med school
GSP rocked Jake in the first 2 rounds, winning them easily 10-9
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
I think you love GSP.
But you are ashamed of your man-love, which is why you turn it to hate – a hate so strong that you will defy reason and common sense, and even make the hate part of your sig.
You love him, deep in your heart and rectum.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
BOW
Eye pokes aren’t a big deal. We all want them legalized.
GSP did look like shit the first two rounds. Everybody that fights Jake beats him.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
MBOW, you're comment will be well received by freenow. Great job!
- YES. Eyepokes have suddenly been brought to the forefront, as a result of the sheer number that were thrown. Unfortunately, it was during a GSP fight. I wish it wasn’t.
- GSP did well in the first two rounds, as stated below by Newf. Was he close to finishing Jake? NO
- What the fuck does Anderson Silva have to do with this article? He’s a legend, but the extent of any injury that is brought into a fight is subject ONLY to speculation. Kicks to the balls, pokes to the eye, and knees to downed fighters are much more debatable.
- Also, this article was written by a journalist as opposed to these GSP nuthuggers who you will battle with until the end. In said article, he seems to acknowledge the eye pokes, as well as the following legal punches that caused cumulative damage. He also mentions that Greg Jackson was irresponsible for his refusal to acknowledge that serious damage could have been cause to GSP.
It was looked at by the Commission in Toronto and the UFC, they both said the damage was caused by a punch. The damage is bleeding behind the eye, trauma, and eye poke such as Shields got against Kampmann scrathed the outer protective layers of the eye
You probably got the most attention you have ever received, enjoy because your name now carries a stigma. You can say you didn’t accuse Shields of anything all you want, but this was/ is an attempt to get attention at any cost.
by mixmaster2669 on May 13, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How old is that lame insult though?
GSP can’t finish. So what he dominates the best in the world. I’m not a big fan of his but thats pretty impressive imo.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
To keep fighting with an eye injury that renders one blind in one eye is crazy and irresponsible
As a newly graduated Doc and a huge MMA and GSP fan I will say that not only have i seen patients with eye injuries but i myself recently suffered a scratched cornea. let me tell u it was not only one of the most painful things i have ever experienced but often it causes spasms of facial muscles which can be absolutely debilitating. despite the fact that fighting with one eye (it generally takes around 4-7 days for sight to return back to normal in the affected eye) is extremely dangerous, a detached retina would have been absolutely devastating to GSP and his career, as this is often a cause of permanent blindness. the fact that he still pulled off the decision with this kind of injury is absolutely amazing. yes it wasnt very exciting but anyone else with this kind of injury would have been knocked out in the first exchange. this is further evidence of how completely awful jakes standup is. im not sure that jake did it on purpose but it makes sense that he would given the fact that he really no way of beating gsp once he realized his takedowns were a joke to gsp. who knoows, but in my opinion the sheer fact that shields couldnt even knockdown gsp when he had one eye is a testament to the fact that his standup sucks cock and therefore he is not a true mixed martial artist like gsp clearly is
If that is the most pain you have ever felt than good for you bc you haven't been hurt much.
Plus, if you’re fighting with adrenalin,epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc…. you don’t feel pain like you normally would. Being a “Doc” I would think that you would know that!
Also, GSP didn’t do that well before the injured eye so saying it was due to the “blindness” is retarded. And what the fuck does having one eye have to do with being taken down? For a “Doc” you’re not so bright. I know you don’t have to be all that smart to be a Doctor, but damn, where did you go to school?
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
WOW. That was the most idiotic internet comment i've ever read
I will not take you seriously ever again. I implore everyone else to do the same
haha MBOW youre a funny guy. Better double check on how incredibly difficult it is to become a Doc these days.
Yes, first of all it corneal abrasions are extremely painful. Obviously you have tons of adrenergic neurotransmitters being released in a fight situation like this which will dull the pain, but not eliminate it altogether. After all it is the pain that causes one to close the eye to avoid further damage. Also I said nothing about the eye having to do with take downs. I was just saying that Jake’s standup wasnt even good enough to knock down a one eyed fighter.
You really don't need to address this
He is extremely passionate in his anti gsp crusade, and his passion causes him to say super-ignorant things to people smarter and more well composed than himself.
by DH. on May 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
doc Mango is the first inteligent comment i have read on this page
whit this comment i have nothing more to say ,
by Harold Gagne on Jun 4, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
First off I was referring to all his other fights.
Second, how did he win a dec if he was outstuck in a fight that was mostly standing?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
The score was 48-47 or 3 rounds to 2 at least one other round was close. These are counted as signifcant strikes, Shields landed more, but his awkward style doesn't 'look as smooth' as GSP's. St Pierre had a ruptured septum, swollen eye & a cut.
by mixmaster2669 on May 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Shields didn't land more significant strikes.
He did land 6 more strikes, but power shots was 3-1 (60-20)for GSP.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
False.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Whats false?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
What I replied to.
You do know how to work the “UP” button, right?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Is that a shot at me replying to the wrong comment or something?
I don’t follow.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I said "False"
You said “what’s false”.
I said “the comment I am replying to”.
Where did you get lost? The post I replied to was false. If you press the “UP” button on my post it will show you which post I think is false.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Ima dum this down 4 u
Dominate? He got outstruck by jake shields
by mma guru on May 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That thur post is falss. Get it now?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Ok yes I get it dude.
I’m trying to agree with you but your somehow making it hard. I was just always telling you about what else he said that I disagree with.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
That post was actually up there before yours.
I didn’t see your last post before I pressed reply.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
It's all good.
Sorry for being so confusing and stuff.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Sorry I forgot who won.
Can you tell me?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Since when is beating Jakes Shields pathetic?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
In a bad place.
But as a fighter he’s number 2. Beating #2 is always good.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Your numbers are made up.
GSP outstruck him 71-25 in power strikes.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
43% for GSP
25 for Jake.
I don’t see how anyone could think Jake outstruck anyone. Ever.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
He only did as well as he did because he poked his eyes like crazy.
And he still got beaten standing.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I was talkin about total strikes jay
Shields had zero power strikes
Am I supposed to count the illegal strikes Jake landed as well?
Total strikes was 115-109 for GSP.
What other lies do you plan on using against GSP tonight?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Not to mention
GSP dropped him on his ass.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
guru
What happened to being outstruck?
Did you move on from that lie?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Wheres your facts?
Prove that, I read it was 96- 92 in total strikes, not saying its fact
Google it
What am I? Your fucking secretary?
You don’t know how to find information on the internet? Why don’t you look up shit before you try to pass your lies on as truth?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
So you just ignore points and facts.
You say Jake beat GSP in striking, he didn’t. He got dropped and now your trying to argue that GSP is a bitch which is just opinion so I don’t see where your trying to go.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Which is why he felt he needed to open the hands.
To cause real damage.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
How does that relate to the topic?
Can you blame them for not seeing the eyes go in GSP’s eyes from where they were sitting?
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
there are things in this world you can't control......
GSP won, he is still the champ, he beat the #1 contender with ONE EYE, Shields lost, you hate it, and you’re fuckin stupid. Anything else we can clear up for ya?
4-0-1 - who's got next??? d'locc & Freenow
Current P4P greatest in the world.......Cain Velasquez. Know it, learn it, live it.
Shields outlanded GSP in signifcant strikes as recorded by both CompStrike & Fight Metrics, his awkard stand-up style doesn't look cool but is effective (Shields also throws more strikes) s
by mixmaster2669 on May 9, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong mixmaster.
Quit spreading lies. GSP outstruck him in power shots 71-25.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
No he didn't get outstruck by Jake Shields.
Nobody gets outstruck by Jake Shields. If you are watching 8 year olds point fighting at a karate tournment you are witnessing better striking than that of Jake Shields.
by naturalshadow on May 8, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
"He dominates the best in the world"?????????????
Funny bc I believed I was the only one who thought that Hardy was the best in the world! GSP can fight the best in the world, but he doesn’t want too! Yea that’s a great champ you got there! LOL The whole thing really does make me laugh! I’m glad GSP doesn’t fight much bc it’s so fn boring to watch him! He almost got out struck by Jake fn Shields!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA He also couldn’t put Hardy away and Condit did it in one round! Sad, just sad! I think the last person he finished was B.J. (a 155’er) and if his corner didn’t throw in the towel I’m sure it would have gone to the judges.
It’s fun watching his fans get so mad!
I want to see GSP/Diaz and GSP/Condit. I don’t think he beats both of them. GSP’s head game sucks and all of this shit about him not finishing and getting booed in his own country will get to him.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Look into his eyes and dream. You love him.

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BOW
You’re much smarter than this post shows. Act like it.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
wow you really are retarded
I thought you were just acting but now I know its not an act
by ElStIkO on May 8, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are right the eye injury came from a KNUCKLE. Does anyone remember the blood red eye Shields got from an acidental poke in the Kampmann fight, ugle, 60 day medical supendtion. Shields never said anything about the bad eye poke.
It happens in MMA, sometimes, It didn’t happen this time. Shields never tried to blame his eye for a less than normal performance against Kampann.
Shields landed most of his jabs on the left eye and the bridge of St Pierre’s nose. He also landed a couple of hard right crosses at least two hit GSP right in the left eye in the third round.
Georges said he thought it was the 2nd in the post fight interview, it happened in the third. I have watched the 3rd round several times and the PUNCH GSP reacted to frame by frame. You have not. You Should.
Oh by the way all your photos of so called eye pokes are of the right eye, WRONG EYE, wrong of you to write this muck raking bullshit, for someone who says that this article will lead more than a few to think Shields was fighting dirty, but that is NOT what you are trying to convey and Not something you endorse.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The point of the article
is to bring attention to the fact that Shields was repeatedly raking at GSP’s face and striking with an open hand, fingers out. That’s not acceptable.
And for anyone that keeps bringing up the fact that the photos and .gifs show Shields poking the right eye, therefore making it the wrong eye and not the one that was injured, I’m not saying Shields was trying to poke GSP in his injured eye. I’m simply saying he was throwing strikes with his fingers out and his hands open.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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ya, of course. really shows they're moral integrity
NONE
People who don't have the patience for the technical aspect of MMA should think about getting into another sport. THIS ONE requires BRAINS.
by i_am_awesome_o on May 8, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you even the striking when you suck at it?
Poke the fuck out of the other guys eyes.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
U know what's funny also ??
GSP gets abuse for not finishing a one eyed Koscheck .. Then gets abused for not being able to finish someone when he himself has one eye .. In a fight which he won against the 2nd or 3rd best fighter at his weight on the planet .
so then Dad goes and turns the knife on her .. then he turns to me and sez ........................................... Why so Serious ??
by RearNakedBloke on May 7, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't hold it against him
Dirty fighter had to cheat just to even the fight.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Jake Shields is a sportsman who is respected throughout the MMA community, the UFC and the commission in Toronto have reveiwed the tapes frame by frame. It was a punch, get over it GSP lost a couple rounds.
A reporter said to Shields right after the fight that “GSP seemed to slip right out of your hands every time you grabbed him, considering the complaints and the warning St Pierre got for greasing, do you think he was greasing again?”
Shields said “No I think we were both really sweating and Georges has great take down defense.”
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Georges barely lost a couple rounds AFTER being blinded,
Jake should feel proud.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
People just want to hate GSP.
They don’t need a good reason lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It's easy for people to hate on him though...
when his nut huggers act like he’s so amazing and fun to watch. Kinda like they used to do with Fedor.
Anderson Silva is without a doubt the G.O.A.T. and best P4P to which there's no debate. People may try but they'll lose! GSP hasn't done what Silva has in 2 weight classes plus can't finish people in his own division who haven't moved up from LW. Fedor has less names on his padded resume and was once the top HW but then ducked the best and lost to guys who are barely top 10. Anderson is the G.O.A.T. no matter what the haters who boo him say. They used to boo Ali too. Anderson Silva is Michael Jordan but Jon Jones is LeBron James!
Thanks for making my point.
“They don’t need a good reason lol”.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You were impressed by that fight?
Gsp got booed by 55000 of his own country, the guy sucks to watch, fucking crybaby bitch
You sound so educated right now.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
You really really really need to get laid man.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Dude pull gsp's cock out of your mouth
That fight was the worst on the card by mile
I'm not even much of a GSP fan dude.
And this card was really good. Only the last fight sucked.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I like watching GSP.
Have fun being pissed off at fights and only enjoying brawls. MMA is much more enjoyable to watch when you don’t get so pissed off.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Haha I don't just enjoy brawls
If u like watchin gsp jabbing to victory or crying in the corner about his eye more power to you.
Crying?
He said he couldn’t see and didn’t mention it again. Crying is what you’ve been doing since it happened. GSP is sick of your boring posts and crying.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Haha
Greg jackson almost started to stroke his cock, he complained 3 rounds in a row, how many rounds, did kos complain when his orbital bone got broken?
He mentioned being blind three times?
I say we hang the bitch.
Get real, kid.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Lol dude get real
How many times koschek complain with his eye caved in
What does this have to do with KOS?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I am patiently waiting for you to make a point.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Gsp is a bitch
Thats the point, I hope the ufc puts him the octagon with silva, he will die, it will be great
haha
I hope the UFC puts Anderson in there with a good fighter his own size. That is something I would like to see.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Okami is big.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I said good.
Like Bones or Cain.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Haha opps.
My bad.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Gotta read the small print.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
I think Okami is good though to be honest.
And they both will make 185 on fight night so it’s a fair fight.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
I mean weigh ins
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
His first "point"
Was that GSP sucks to watch, now somehow he’s arguing that Koscheck didn’t complain when his eye was punched and that GSP complained when his eyes were poked. I don’t see how he got there but he did.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
lol
guru logic: It’s a myth.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
I'm afraid I understand all too clearly.
You’re a tool.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
because we couldn't figure that out^
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Who cares?
Can you comprehend that?
Stay on topic. Nobody came here to read random posts about shit we weren’t talking about.
GSP was not crying. He mentioned he was poked in the eye. It is something you should share with your corner. Don’t be so stupid.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
You must be the dumbest motherfucker on the site jay
You always complain about fedor fans yet you act exactly the same way with gsp
GSP is god
NOW I’m acting like those retards.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Haha I'm sorry Guru.
I just think Jake Shields pokes his eyes.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
GSP started out counter punching but soon began high speed back peddling, he was so afraid of Shields getting a take down that he refused to bang with him. Smart maybe, but not the way to go down as "the best of all time".
Shields won two rounds with aggression and damage, if St Pierre had engaged more Shields might have got the TD and tapped him out.
Or GSP might have done some damage and looked more like the aggressor.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
did u ever read the article you are commenting on?
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 8, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes
next question…
"This could be the worst disaster we've ever faced"
"With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour"
Grease St Pierre deserves whatever came to him, but thinking Shields did this intentionally is ridiculous
Open the grease gates, where GSP actually got caught breaking the rules, and had to be embarrassingly wiped off and warned in the middle of the fight.
Fedor.
There's like 6 pictures of it.
He swings with his hands open at the eyes, How is that not intentional?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Typical Fedor Fans = Delusional
Someone else wipes grease on GSP, and GSP is caught red handed, but Shields himself punches with his fingers but that’s okay.
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by JasonFahQ on May 7, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Six photos of the Wrong Eye. Hands are held open in both MMA & boxing, the fist is made as the punch is thrown, There are several pics of GSP with open hand strikes, sometimes its a defensive move, sometimes its a last second attemt to grag the opponent.
Shields sustained a bad un-intentional eye poke in his last fight, 60 medical etc. Writers asked if it played a part in the less than best fight he had.
Shields said, no the fault was his own stupid weight cut plan, he thought he could do the way he always had, but he was going down two weights not one, should have been smarter about it.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It was investigated.
Shields dangerous tactics were not.
Thankfully, Geno is on duty and on top of his game.

Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
Dangerous tactics LOL... leave it to guyverbob and Yan117. you guys are truly top 10 p4p, not quite on top though
Fedor.
Atleast we don't still hang on to what little of a career Fedor has left.
That deserves a true L.O.L
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
So am I the Alistair Overeem to your Fabricio Werdum?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
you are nothing. but if me answering you gives you some kind of sense of self worth then I am happy to help
Fedor.
Haha your such a loser.
I try joking with you but Fedor’s dick in your butt makes you pissy all the time. I will go so you can feel free to continue to think care what you think.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
cool, take care, you didn't make the top5 today, so you can consider yourself better than the top p4p here, like danago, iamawesome, yan and khaoswarrior
But we shall see next time how you fare.
Fedor.
Don't worry Guyverbob
His rankings don’t count… see his Sig?
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Yeah he's always got a hair in his ass.
He’s one of those angry guys who take this site too serious, he’ll call you a troll if you don’t agree with him or anything. I don’t think he knows what a troll is but thats ok, I don’t really care what he calls me because it makes me laugh more often then not.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
But you think Fedor is cool.
Sorry Sir but you can’t call anyone a moron :)
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Fedor is cool? WHat does that even mean, cool?
You are seriously a moron. You just made the top 5 p4p
Fedor.
You sound like a school girl.
You have a list of the people you don’t like. Just saying.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
you are talking about a fighter being "cool" and then call me a schoolgirl?
You just cemented your place in the top5. Yan, Danago and the rest will have to work hard to top you. Well done.
Fedor.
Hahah ok dude, whatever helps you sleep at night Mr."P4p"
I’m gonna go watch the boxing match like normal fight fans do, I’d send you the link but somehow you would bitch about it.
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
thanks, I have a link and watched all the main card fights sofar, which sucked by the way except for the current one
It was a delight to experience an imbecile of your stature. Usually I have to go to the zoo to see that.
Fedor.
read all these comments
And u both sound retarted
But at least one argued his point about the subject first. Free just jumps in to hate on GSP and says pointless shit.
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
by Newfie3 on May 8, 2011 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Free likes the old guys
You know the ones, those that should have retired from MMA years ago. Anyone who likes Shields has a hate on GSP as nobody in WW is at his level when he actually wants to fight.
Still think Jones is all hype? All aboard the JBJ train - nonbelievers prior to 126 are not welcome.
by hairybumcrack on May 8, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Both the Toronto Commission and the UFC have gone over the tapes frame by frame, better than Sherlock's glass. Damage done by knuckle..
by mixmaster2669 on May 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't the point anyone is making.
What did they have to say about the multiple open handed strikes? Did they come to the conclusion that Jake hits like a girl?
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
i declare shenanigans on that whole fucking camp!
Clear examples of cheating…the last gif Shields basically throws a ridge hand across GSPs eyes…. fuck Ceasar Gracie for sponsoring and probly training his fighter to deliberately cheat..fuck their whole camp I’m enjoying watching them get picked off slowly…if only the “Waterboy” could fight them all and give them all the bonafide ass whipping he gave Nate!!
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by Fat Daddy Doobs on May 7, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It wasn't intentional
And if it was gsp is the best fighter ever he should of blocked it
by 209stk on May 7, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He couldn't block'em all. One finger got through.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.
So is your the best in your weight class, your opponents don’t have to follow the rules?
Right Leg repair factory, Left leg junk yard.
- Mirko Cro Cop before his battle with the Terminator
Obviously deliberate.
However, the first gif makes me chuckle. Shields swings and his fingers just pop out like he is Wolverine or something.
by Washburne on May 7, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
making a fist
not so hard after all. Worby is calling Jake, Jake “The Rake” Shields. Pretty fitting nickname.
Wow
This sure is a terrible thing to put on the main page of a site that is (I thought) trying to be respected. You have absolutely no proof of his motives. It is pure speculation. A non-story
I understand that “is it intentional” implies that there is a question here and that you are not necessarily saying it was, but the fact that you are calling into question his character in the first place is disgraceful.
I agree with the other half of the article about the danger of the eye poke and the ref giving warnings and what not, but the title of the article is clearly questioning Shields’ integrity. You have to understand that even though you didn’t flat out say “Shields cheated” or “Shields is a dirty fighter,” the fact that you are writing an article that questions whether or not he is, for no reason (other than you speculating on his motives), is going to lead to a bunch of idiots running around talking about how Shields is a dirty, eye poking, cheater (as can be seen by your comments section).
The fact that you are so sure that it wasn't intentional
is ridiculous. It happened countless times. He either did it intentionally, or doesn’t know how to throw a proper punch. When I was 5 my dad taught me how to punch, and I never forgot. Jake has been a pro fighter for years, yet he doesn’t know how to make a fist??? Give me a break.
When did I say it wasn't intentional?
You can think what you want. But for this site to put out an article that calls into question his integrity is BS. Maybe it was intentional. I can’t say for sure. And neither can you.
We are just asking why an elite fighter would throw his fingers at his opponent's eyes like that, nothing more.
Why do you think he did that repeatedly? You can shut down lines of questioning just because you don’t like the obvious answer that lays behind it. Freedom of press and freedom of expression, we still have some of that you know.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
I don’t have a problem with you questioning it. Question it all you want. What I have a problem with is this site questioning it in the form of an article. I was just saying I think it’s in their best interest to not do so. Of course they have the right to do it. I never said anything to the contrary.
If I had a picture of you bending over to tie your shoe in front of an elementary school with your ass sticking out of your pants, I could go write an article asking if you were a sex offender trying to show your ass to little boys. I have the right to do that. And a respected news site has the right to use the article. Doesn’t mean that they should.
I doubt it
See my Pandora’s Box comparison below. That’s a bad comparison lol
This one was actually pretty good
Iljo: I'm sorry you got sand in your vagina
It’s called journalism. If people couldn’t ask provocative questions or pose subjective arguments, then all we would have on this site would be play-by-play’s of fights. Given the evidence, it is an interesting discussion, whichever side of the fence you are on.
by flying triangle on May 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is the evidence?
There is none. That’s the point. The question is whether or not he meant to do it, not whether or not he did it, so a gif of him doing it is no kind of evidence for intent. And I understand what journalism is. If the intent was to get people talking, then mission accomplished. If the intent was to write a respectable piece that conforms to the integrity of the site, then I argue that the mission failed.
the pictures above are the evidence. I didn’t say proof. You can’t prove intent of anything from a picture. If I asked you to show me a picture of GSP intending to punch Jake Shields in the face, the above pictures would suffice. A reasonable person could interpret the picture as showing GSP’s intent to punch Shields in the face. You can’t see the intent, but you know it’s there.
If Shields were trying to poke GSP in the eye (I am not saying he was, just saying ‘if’), I think the pictures would look at lot like the ones above. That is the evidence. Again, not the proof. But I certainly believe it supports the argument that he could have been trying to. Personally, I don’t think he was, but I don’t think it is an unreasonable argument or point of views.
As for the integrity of this site…I mean no disrespect to mania, but this is not the Wall Street Journal here. It is an mma blog/website. The purpose of which is to promote mma and engage people in the sport (whether by reading or participating in discussions). Refer to the countless threads with the countless pictures asses to lower your future expectations. I for one, am happy they are there. So thanks for that mania. My work just doesn’t have enough pictures of excellent asses around (for the record, in person i am tits man, but not much beats the picture of a great ass).
by flying triangle on May 8, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Your logic is incredibly flawed. We know GSP’s intent because it was a fight. Of course he was trying to punch him in the face. There’s no argument. He does that for a living and will admit to punching people in the face.
With Shields, he has never cheated (or at least never been caught) and has never been known as a dirty fighter or even as an asshole/bad person or anything.
That’s why I’m saying it’s pure speculation. There is absolutely nothing to base this claim on. People are seeing a picture/gif of what he did (which you are calling evidence), and are making an assumption about his motives. What I am saying is there is no kind of evidence for his motives. With your GSP example, there is clearly evidence of him being a fighter and punching people in the face. With Shields there is no evidence of him being a dirty fighter/cheater.
He's never cheated before therefore he didn't cheat this time.
Makes perfect sense. Most serial killers were born having killed at least 3 people.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
You are misunderstanding the discussion
Again, I’m not saying he didn’t mean to do it. I’m saying an article like this is bad for the credibility of the site. There is nothing to suggest he meant to do it. It’s just an assumption based on nothing. There is a chance that the assumption is correct. But until there is something to suggest it’s correct then it’s just slander.
If someone doesn't question in the form of a journalist how will anyone ever know the truth? Questions like this have to be asked before someone will ever admit to it.
Shields train with the most dirty team ever assembled
When they are behind the 8 ball, they pull out all the old school techniques to go for a W
Still think Jones is all hype? All aboard the JBJ train - nonbelievers prior to 126 are not welcome.
by hairybumcrack on May 8, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i get your point
But you will never be able to prove intent. Had he stuck out two fingers like one of the three stooges and jabbed it at him, there still would be no proof.
With all of the evidence laid out in the article, I wouldn’t call that “based on nothing.” MMAMania doesn’t ask this question after every fight with an eye injury.
As others have said, you have to ask yourself what is reasonable. I think there is plenty of evidence to simply raise the question that this post raises. Is there enough evidence to say Shields is a dirty fighter? Obviously not and that’s why the poster never said it.
There’s nothing wrong with this post, imo.
So.....
Jake just accidentally threw a shit ton of strikes that just happened to poke Georges in the eyes? Intentionally or not, that shit is wrong.
I'm your huckleberry.
Agreed
It is wrong. It’s dangerous to do that and the ref should have done something. I can understand criticizing Shields for his terrible striking and criticizing the ref for not doing anything about the eye pokes. But I can’t just assume that Shields did it on purpose just because he did it. That shit happens in fights. You need to realize that his concern isn’t the safety of his opponent. That’s the refs job. He’s in there acting on instinct and his adrenaline is flowing. Maybe he didn’t realize he was poking him. Maybe he was too busy getting punched in the head to stop and consider it. GSP never indicated he had been poked and the ref never warned him or anything.
I'd understand that
pov if he didnt’ do it like 5 fucking times in like every fucking round.
I'm your huckleberry.
WOW is right iljo, not only no proof but proof to the contary, both the UFC and the Canadian Commission have gone over the tapes frame by frame. A PUNCH, the Canadians would have reason to point out even an inadvertaint poke.
Both the UFC and the commission said it was a knuckle. THIS report as you said is disgraceful and shows us THIS site is for MUCK RAKING sensationalist. NOT a real sports site.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There s more than just motives
Homer Simpson shouldnt be working at a nuclear power plant. If Shields lands NUMEROUS eye pokes during a bout, he shouldnt be part of the UFC, intentional or not.
And who are you to say that?
The UFC is a privately owned business. They can employ whoever they want.
And he doesn’t “land numerous eye pokes.” He, supposedly, LANDED (past tense) numerous eye pokes in ONE FIGHT out of 30+ fights and 10+ years of fighting.
If the commission felt the need, they could revoke his license and not let him fight.
But I guess you know better than the UFC and the commission do. Of course, you have a 3 gifs and 2 pictures to look at. You must be some kind of expert.
Okay.
Time.
First things first, my friend. Am I a journalist? That’s such a shaky and odd question for me. Truthfully, I’m not sure how to answer. I don’t consider myself one. I’m a blogger. Really, though, I’m a fan. I’m a writer, technically, because I get paid, but I like to think of myself as a fan that gets a bigger platform to talk about things. That’s pretty shortsighted, I know, because there are quite a few responsibilities that go with being a writer on this site.
One of them is to be fair with what I say. Trust me, we take that seriously here at Mania. In fact, when I alerted my boss that I wanted to write this piece he specifically told me to be careful with my words. Being critical is fine, slanderous is not. Taking a hard stance against something is all well and good but calling someone a cheater, when there is no proof to support that, is not.
In this instance, I didn’t want to call Shields and cheater and you’re right, the title does indeed lead the reader to view the post within a certain frame of mind.
But I felt it necessary to help folks take a critical look at exactly what’s happening within the fight. There is no doubt that Shields was doing something that needs to be addressed. GSP came out of the fight with a badly injured eye and it could have been a whole lot worse if one of Shields reckless fingers went to the injured eye and caused even more damage.
How horrible would it have been if GSP had lost sight completely, for the rest of his life, because of how Shields was fighting?
The other part of the post was to draw attention to how reckless Greg Jackson was with telling GSP just to fight through such a debilitating injury. These issues, I feel, were worth a second look and merit someone to take a look at the tape and make Shields aware that it is not acceptable to fight that way. Not only could he badly injure someone in a fight, he could affect their quality of life for the entire duration of the time they are on Earth.
Worth the potential backlash, I believe, of presenting it the way I did.
I look forward to your rebuttal.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Perhaps you’re right that it is something that needed to be addressed. But regardless of whether or not I agree with that notion, there was no need to bring Shields moral integrity into this. You could have very easily just focused on the fact that it DID happen. But you chose to ask questions and make statements that clearly lead one to believe that Shields was doing this on purpose. For example:
“unless the point is to gauge your opponents eyes out”
“what’s the point of sticking your thumb out in that manner? Is there any?”
“shady striking”
“I didn’t realize a wide arcing, open-handed scrape across the face was effective boxing technique”
“looks like a blatant attempt on the part of Shields at pushing his fingers directly into St. Pierre’s face”
This is very clearly a biased point of view implying that he is doing it on purpose. You go on to give a brief “I’m not trying to call him a cheater” bit in order to have a facade of neutrality, but that is not acceptable. That’s like in Talladega Nights when Ricky Bobby says “with all due respect,” and then says whatever insult he wants, as if that makes it OK.
And if that was not your intent, well then I’m sorry, but you failed to properly convey your message
Also you claim that the eye poke was the “main culprit” very matter-of-factly, yet there is no way you could possibly know this. The only thing you use to support this claim is a quote from GSP’s trainer saying he witnessed an eye poke. ok… maybe he did witness an eye poke. Does that mean it is definitely what caused the eye injury? Absolutely not. Do you know how many eye pokes have happened in the UFC that didn’t result in injury? Me neither, but it’s a lot.
And I’m not sure of the validity of this claim, but someone here has mentioned that an investigation was done and it was determined that it was indeed a punch that caused the injury. I’d like to see the source for that, but even if it’s not true, the point remains that you can’t be sure, yet you state it as fact.
Mrosko:
"unless the point is to gauge your opponents eyes out"
"what’s the point of sticking your thumb out in that manner? Is there any?"
"shady striking"
"I didn’t realize a wide arcing, open-handed scrape across the face was effective boxing technique"
"looks like a blatant attempt on the part of Shields at pushing his fingers directly into St. Pierre’s face"
To which you responded:
This is very clearly a biased point of view implying that he is doing it on purpose.
Yeaaaa…..we call that common sense down here in Texas.
The character of a man is always proven after faillure - not after success.
Wait.
I said it with all due respect. It sure as heck does make it okay, as long as I say it with all due respect.
I admit, it got a bit snarky in there. I couldn’t help it. I do have a leaning and that’s where I struggle with the concept of journalism and writing and things like this. It is fundamentally impossible to write an article and have absolutely no bias. However, I do try my absolute best to not outwardly say that Jake Shields is dirty.
Do I think he is? No. Do I think he may have done these things intentionally? I think it’s possible and that’s why I think the questions are valid.
As for the commission investigating, I haven’t heard that. But I know what I saw. I saw a poke cause the damage and GSP’s eye swell up and cause him problems immediately after. I could be wrong, as is always the case, but I felt strong enough in it to make the assertion.
That said, I’ll back down quite a bit in saying that I’m still learning and growing as I go along and mistakes will be made. I’m getting better as I go and I see that I could have worded things much better than I did.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Twitter -- @GenoMrosko
There is no need to be completely unbiased. We are only human, after all.
You seem to have a following already that would read your opinions and you seem like an intelligent enough person. Just say it’s your opinion though. Don’t act like you’re being neutral while also injecting your feelings into it. That’s dishonest.
With power comes responsibility. People look up to you and look at articles from sites like this as well informed and generally knowing what they’re talking about. They are inclined to believe you. Especially since a majority of MMA fans are new to the sport as it has boomed only recently.
I don’t know. I’m not trying to shit on your work or this site. I think you guys do a great job for the most part. I just had issue with this particular subject and I appreciate you listening to my feedback and I hope I’ve helped in some way.
Saturday Night's Main Event is Geno's column and it is an editorial. Editorials are not really designed to be unbiased. They are meant to give an opinion.
I understand this. I’m not saying he shouldn’t give his opinion. I’m saying he should give his opinion and acknowledge that it’s his opinion instead of leading people to a conclusion by asking biased questions and then saying he’s not of that opinion so that he can remain neutral and professional and not burn any bridges or whatever… this leads people to believe that they’ve come to their own conclusion through an understanding of the evidence presented by an unbiased source (since he is explicitly claiming that he does NOT believe Shields is a cheater) when in fact they’ve been duped.
I don’t think that it was his intention was to trick anyone. I think he was just trying to do a good job and write professionally and keep his boss happy. Unfortunately that doesn’t really matter. He could have had the purest of intentions but he might as well have had the worst because that doesn’t change anything. The damage is done, so to speak
So basically your assumption is everyone are idiots and sheep and cannot understand that this is an opinion piece and the views are solely the opinion of the author.
Well played sir.
No
That is what you are (wrongly) assuming that I’m assuming.
I’d appreciate it if you didn’t put words in my mouth, especially if you’re going to completely misrepresent my position like that.
What other assumption is possible? You acknowledge that this is an opinion piece then go on to say Geno is misleading people with it. The only possible answer for this is that you believe the readers here are idiots.
Incorrect
You don’t have to assume anything.
I’m talking about responsibility here. I’m talking about the principle of it. What I wrote does not apply only to him and this site.
Never did I say “everyone” here is an idiot or even come close to implying it. But it’s certainly true that there are a lot of people that aren’t very bright (in general, not just here). If you don’t believe that, then you’re probably one of them.
Editorial - An article written by or on behalf of an editor that gives an opinion on a topical issue
Knowing that it is an editorial all responsibility is on the reader. Geno has no responsibility to present his opinion in an unbiased manner.
Seriously what is so hard to understand that you have to keep up with this idiotic crusade. If you want to debate what he said in his opinion fine but do not question his integrity as a writer because you cannot grasp the concept of an editorial.
For the last time
I understand it’s an editorial. If you can’t keep up with the discussion, stop wasting my time.
Read my response to the first time you told me it’s an editorial. My opinion hasn’t changed since yesterday
And that is how we get on the topic that you think everyone cannot figure out what is opinion and what isn't.
Just because you were not able to figure it out on your own does not mean that everyone is the same.
Geno should not have to preface everything with ‘in my opinion" for you to understand what is and what isn’t opinion.
Does someone need to tell Greg Jackson, trainer to the stars, that it’s simply irresponsible for him to outright dismiss this fact when his fighter made him aware of it between rounds?
Did the ringside doctors and the entire commission drop the ball in regards to this entire incident?
Finally Geno, someone that mentions this. I think it was actually Firas Zahabi that told him it’s fine.
Jesse Holland laughed at me in his “GSP has no heart” thread the other day when I mentioned that this behavior was dangerous and scary, and told me GSP is just a pussy for being so scared.
Funny enough the next morning that thread was gone when it was revealed that GSP has an eye full of blood and still couldn’t see.
Fedor.
No, it was Greg Jackson.
Fucking horrid.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Twitter -- @GenoMrosko
Yep it was Jackson
I was blown away by that too Geno.
enzo
by enzo-enormous on May 7, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
All my friends and I went quite in disgust when that corner exchange happened and just looked at each other
Fedor.
Hahah.
You don’t have friends
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Something I learned from UFC 129.
Some bloggers have judgement. Some don’t.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
^Geno you need to include this in your post somehow.^
It’s even worse than the others.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
GSP's eye is closed and there is hardly any contact with the already closed eye, keep drinking the cool-aid
Fedor.
I don't care if it's the one that injured him or not,
that shot alone from Poke Shields is enough to get the tar and feathers out.
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
I waited all night for this thing.
I like the Pic for saturday night’s main event. That was a big event when I was a kid. It was bigger than wrestlemania.
Anyway, I agree with this post completely. I think Greg wanted to say “hit him with your other eye”, but remembered he’d already used that line when he had the leg injury against Alves. I don’t know what it is about Greg, but something bothers me about him.
I’m not sure if Jake cheated, but I don’t for a second think he’s above it. He knew when his wrestling wasn’t working he would need to do something. This was his only way to win.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
The pic credit totally goes to Jesse.
He basically sat down with me one night and presented me with options and I picked what I liked best. On the first three, I used a different one and, for whatever reason, decided to debut this one tonight. I like it.
It sucks that people took from this that I’m calling Shields a cheater or implying that he is a cheater. In fact, I make it explicitly clear that I’m not endorsing that message and it’s not what I’m trying to convey.
However, we would all be remiss and it would be damn near irresponsible to not bring attention to this issue. Just by looking at the pictures, .gifs and even the videos that have been posted, Shields was throwing punches with his fingers out and that is absolutely unacceptable.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Twitter -- @GenoMrosko
It sucks that people took from this that I’m calling Shields a cheater or implying that he is a cheater
That wasn’t my perception whatsoever. All you did was pose some interesting theories for people to debate. You aren’t making this shit up…..the proof is clearly there in the GIF’s….all you’re doing is providing some interesting viewpoints that people can either support or debate in any way they want. It’s good stuff dude…..keep it up.
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I assume you're referring to me.
I know you didn’t call him a cheater. In fact, I make it explicitly clear that I know you’re not endorsing that message :)
But you certainly are bringing it into question. This is obviously an exaggerated example, but it’s like opening Pandora’s box…. There’s nothing wrong with posing the question…. Just like there’s nothing wrong with opening a box…. I’m not saying you had bad intentions…. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t doing harm
It's a fuckin blog iljo!!!!
This isn’t the bible for christ’s sake!!! The whole point of this sight is for people to debate shit. If this kind of activity offends or upsets you, i suggest finding another place to get your MMA fix. You either believe it, or you don’t. Geno didn’t make anything up here……he posted real GIF’s from the fight, and brought up a few theories that he neither approves or dissaproves of……..people are free to comment, or just read….this isn’t going into the annals of MMA as factual…….
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
Nice rant, but what’s that got to do with anything? Because it’s a blog, they shouldn’t care about the quality of their work? If I disapprove, I can’t post it here?
I’m giving my feedback on the article and I’m giving my reasons for thinking so. It’s probably more useful than half of these “Jake Shields is obviously a cheater, just look at the pictures” posts. Go yell at them.
I’m only saying something because I actually like this site and I come here all the time for my MMA news fix. Thought I’d provide some constructive criticism.
If this kind of activity offends you, I suggest you find another place to post ; )
When I get more time
I’m going to come back here and I would love to debate with you on this subject. I know you’re getting attacked a bit but you’ve articulated yourself rather well and your candor is refreshing. I appreciate your side of the argument and I would love to talk with you about it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Twitter -- @GenoMrosko
Anything for a Big Lebowski fan
I believe this is only the second time I’ve posted here and the first time I was also giving you a hard time about an article of yours… The funny thing is I didn’t realize it was you until just now when I read your Lebowski quote. You probably don’t remember me because it was a few months ago but I brought up The Big Lebowski last time as well…
Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to respond (in both cases). I’m kind of busy myself over the next few days but I’ll do my best to check back in and see if you’ve responded.
Now that you've swallowed the left one, Gene's right one needs some attention
It’s like reading a diary from someone’s first date from a movie date…..I’m surprised you didn’t fill 3 pages full of
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Still think Jones is all hype? All aboard the JBJ train - nonbelievers prior to 126 are not welcome.
by hairybumcrack on May 8, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I USED to LIKE this site, but I'm with you iljo THIS is not just BAD journalism, its not journalism at all.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
MAybe this is why Jesse didn't like opinion pieces from his guys.
Some people get confused easily.
I’ve probably only seen about 10 Shields fights. And I would have no problem sparring with him. At all.
For all of you dummies who can’t add- If GSP and I were to spar, I would make him look worse then he does in my pic.
Good observation.
I was hoping we were gonna see more of them. I can easily imagine Geno saying: “f*ck it! I don’t have time for this shit!”
Do I think he (Shields) wanted to land at all costs, including opening his hands to make sure he landed? Yes, I do.
Ulf Murphy
Geno, my name is Fat Daddy Doobs, and I endorse this message!!
Someone attempting to take you to task bcuz you want to discuss this subject is laughable. How else are you to describe what seems to be BLATANT & OBVIOUS cheating by someone who brought in a NEW boxing coach and implemented a level of stand up fighting in his gameplan? The first thing any respectable coach would teach would be to make a fist! To say you’re practicing “irresponsible journalism” by not addressing an issue that thousands happen to agree with shows an ill informed view of what a blog is…. change NOTHING! got your back Geno!
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by Fat Daddy Doobs on May 8, 2011 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You IMPLIED IT, now you want to act ignorant. Did You check with the Commission ? With the UFC ? NO you didn't, I have seen statements by both that the damage was caused by a punch.
Go to journalism school, some don’t need it, BUT YOU DO.
by mixmaster2669 on May 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So say the damage was cause by a punch as you say. Who cares? Should Jake continue to strike the way he was in that fight (open handed swipes on more than one occasion). He needs to have a talking to by the commission and the UFC about his flagrant risky striking.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Shields is either a cheater or a hideously incompetent striker
Take your pick.
I don't always rage, but when I do, I prefer doing it over Bellator judging. Stay angry, my friends.
not a cheater…but extremely incompetent striker.
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yo kg12, if you catch this here is your sig:
GSP has no killer instinct and I can’t believe I made a sig bet on thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one blind eye without consulting a doctor.
Fedor.
done....1 week starting now.
enjoy….
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
nope...we're 1-1.
this makes us even from the beating that Cain put on Nog. I think that’s our only other bet. This is actually my 1st sig bet loss……..It should come with an asterick due to this whole eye poke situation, but a loss is a loss, so i’ll wear it.
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
wasn’t me….must have been someone else…..but it surprises me you didn’t learn your lesson after he beat the shit out of Nog. If you wanna take JDS over Cain as our rubber match, i’m in.
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
yeah we did dude, found it:
"another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, for now."
Fedor.
damn dude, you're right.......
I’m frickin losin it…….good memory on your part…..I guess my record is a little better than i thought.
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
If JDS beats Brock, I will gladly take JDS for a chance to tie.
I am not very confident he would beat Cain, but I think it’s a very competitive fight if JDS beats Brock and shows he can hang with a top wrestler.
Fedor.
I do not see how you can deny that he went after the right eye after he knew the left eye was damaged. That right there shows some intention.
lol he didn't even know the left eye was damaged
it was not closed and not even swollen, noone knew but Greg and GSP.
You are so clueless, it is astonishing.
Fedor.
exactly......
That’s the only thing we haven’t seen from JDS yet……how’s he gonna handle an elite wrestler? He hasn’t really dealt with this yet, but we will find out soon enough. I hope he wins, but I don’t think the MMA gods are that kind, and Brock will win and fuck this whole thing up. I have no interest in seeing Cain fight Brock again, he’ll beat the fuck out of him just as easily as he did before. It’s time for some new challenges…….
GSP has no killer instinct and i can't believe I made a sig bet thinking that he will actually finish a fight.
Greg Jackson is a money hungry snake for telling GSP to fight with one eye blind without consulting a doctor.
Agreed, it all depends on JDS ability to get back up like Cain did.
Brock will get him down, so much I am sure of.
I’m off to bed now, take care kg12. Cya around.
Fedor.
Good write up Geno.........
Now that i’ve had some time to think about all this……I’m not ready to say that Jake did this on purpose. From a character perspective, Jake is a pretty solid dude. I’ve never seen anything from Jake that would indicate that he would so blantantly cheat. I also am not ready to say his standup has improved however, because he couldn’t do jack shit against a guy fighting with only one eye.
I also think i may have been a little too critical of GSP immediately after the fight. I have seen enough proof that he was definitely poked in the eye, and I believe he couldn’t see out of it. GSP may not be the toughest UFC champion out there, but fighting the #1 contender with only one eye is a scary thing, and he shouldn’t be condemned for not finishing this fight. Just try doing some of the normal, day to day shit we do in our lives with only one eye……it’s not so easy…..now imagine trying to fight someone with one eye? It will be interesting to see what happens in GSP’s next fight…..I hope it’s against Diaz, he’ll work the shit out of him.
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Yo Geno you should activate the thing again so that this goes to top fanposts.
I remember you disabled it when we were complaining about the “fan opinion request” GSP-Shields post that you timestamped.
But this is a legitimate write-up with legitimate recs so it should be up there.
Fedor.
Ha.
So because one eye was damaged bad enough from a poke and not the other, it didn’t happen? Just like Fedor would have come back in that 3rd round vs Bigfoot.
I'm your huckleberry.
I never said Fedor would have come back in the third round by the way.
Dr stopped the fight and I never complained, Fedor clearly lost.
However, GSP left eye got punched which was clearly shown. Keep drinking the Poke-Aid, nuthugger. Shields won 2 rounds and you are clearly bitter.
You are surely one of the people who denied that GSP greased, got caught, warned and embarrassingly wiped down in the middle of the Penn fight as well.
Fedor.
Close, but no. You are bitter that your favorite fighter couldn't finish once again, against a guy that you claimed had no business being in the cage against him and who was supposed to have been destroyed in the early rounds
Fedor.
He aint my favorite.
And take away the 37 eye pokes and Shields is done and gone.
I'm your huckleberry.
Inside info:
I heard from James Toney that danago and Steven Segal were training Jake in some really fuckin advanced eye poking techniques that if you or I even tried to learn we’d die.
I'm your huckleberry.
It's pretty obvious that Jake is trying to even the playing field.
He was getting tooled in the first round and realized he didn’t have a hope because he couldn’t get the TD (not that it would have helped him). It’s clear that Jakes eyes were open and looking exactly where his hands were swiping at GSP’s eyes each time. Jake is a cheater and he ruined the main event.
I would just give Jake the benefit of the doubt
Never seen him fight dirty really, so I don’t think it was intentional.
People who don't have the patience for the technical aspect of MMA should think about getting into another sport. THIS ONE requires BRAINS.
I agree
Jake has never been identified as a cheat or dirty fighter in the past, but the evidence of repeated open handed strikes sure is strange. It happens in MMA and to GSP’s credit, from my recollection of fights with eye pokes or damage to the eye most of those fights were won by the fighter who was on the sending end of the eye poke and not the receiving end. GSP fought through it and sure it wasn’t an exciting fight but he got the job done.
The Jackson camps comments were not in the best interest of GSP and I believe that GSP brings more to that camp than they provide to him. He is the one who is always reaching out to others to improve his game. The Jackson camp only wants to be the holder of the most titles now.
Still think Jones is all hype? All aboard the JBJ train - nonbelievers prior to 126 are not welcome.
by hairybumcrack on May 8, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm
First off… Jake shields camp is a bunch of douches…
if they arnt jumping mayhem they are scratching like girls…
If jake didnt do the eye pokes we wouldnt be blaming jackson.
If the ref had done his job we wouldnt be blaming jackson.
If jackson had just called the doc over…. we would still be blaming jackson. For a fight that could have ended in more dry humping…
I say because the ref didnt pick it up jackson didnt feel it was in gsps interest to do the doc…. not a wise call. He probaby understood the risk… another eye poke… but if you were to have another match that would still be the same game plan….
Cheik Kong should train with shields. add some of those knees to the sack to his arsenal….
This fight is in the books George won
Why the fuck are we beating this eye shit to death? You know how many eye pokes have happen in the UFC?
yeah but rarely is there enough evidence to show that the guy who did the poking was doing so intentionally
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
heres a question....
did Jake actually break his nose? Gracie seems to think so, but it didnt seem broken to me…?
Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch.
All the gifs are within like a 10 second time frame in the 5th round.
Where is the visual evidence from the earlier rounds?
Maybe Jake’s fist was just starting to hurt in the 5th round from connecting with GSP’s face.
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first sensical post in this thread. GSP-nuthuggers couldn't see the truth if it hit them in the face with a fist (Like Shields did GSP repeatedly)
They actually believe that the 5th round hits to the right eye were the ones that somehow retroactively hurt GSP’s left eye in the 1st and 2nd rounds. must be magic muahahaha, I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of nut-hugging zombies.
Fedor.
Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this but I half agree with freenow82
One of the biggest anti gsp guys on Mania, they should have showed the pokes of rounds 3 and 4. They do illustrate that jake is throwing open handed strikes which IS dangerous and illegal and something does need to be done about that, at least a reprimand or something. Jake only started connecting with good punches on gsp after gsp was blinded in one eye, trying to be objective here.
Man some pretty strong opinions here
I’m a gsp fan and I will say this, the fight was a huge letdown and I just watched it again, and it was more boring than the first time, as much as I hate to admit it. Obviously the eye jab/poke affected gsps performance as there is no way in hell shields would do that well against a two eyed gsp. I’m not convinced jake was intentionally trying to eye poke gsp, I believe his boxing is just that bad, I think he panicked when he realized he couldn’t take him down and due to extreme lack of focus/confidence he had very sloppy punches. I find it kind of funny how a much inferior striker can be more dangerous than a way more technical striker like koscheck vs shields. Gsp is so much more capable than he showed, he needs to believe in himself, I know he could have let it all go in the octagon and would have dismantled shields, ground and pound mixed with aggressive strikes. Jackson is crazy, to let his fighter fight with NO vision in one eye? Its a title, if he loses it he can come back, and get his rematch with shields and kick his ass and get it right the next time. Shields does need to get a reprimand for his openhanded boxing, just like jackson does for ignoring a potentially permanent life altering injury.
Agreed 100%
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Are you F-ing kidding me?
This is one of the most one sided pieces I have ever read. First, how can you say that the pokes definitely did the damage to his eye? The video that was showing during the event of a legal jab looked worse to me. In the clip that Rogan and Goldie were talking about Jake’s knuckle went directly into the eye ball. That is just as likely to have damaged the eye.
Next, even though you say you’re not, you’re obviously insinuating that Jake is a dirty fighter. You have no evidence or reason to believe that the pokes were intentional. Jake is a wrestler and they often use open hands to push away the head.
Also, who the hell are you to say he can’t use open handed strikes? Or that they are ineffective? Bas Rutten used them frequently. As did Dan Severn. As due thousands of traditional martial artists. Its not an illegal technique that he should be warned for. No where in the rules does it say you can’t use open hand strikes.
I do agree that Jackson f***ked up though. He should have called the doctor over. Thats the one good point you make in your accusatory, rambling, one-sided, conspiracy theory.
I hear what your saying but...
You can’t compare an openhanded base of palm crack to the head, to what shields is doing in the gift. They LOOK borderline eye gouging which IS illegal, its kind of a slippery slope, not cut and dry. A swipe is one thing but a thumb in the eye? I doubt it was on purpose, IMO just sloppy boxing by a panicked fighter who knew he was losing.
Hoe slap
So many open handed slaps from Shields’ part. Why is he in the UFC instead of the Ultimate Whore Territorial Championship Man’s Edition? Is that the best USA has to offer? bitch slappers?
WTF??
So, I expected this column to devolve into jay versus the weekend crowd since he is the only self-respecting (read: having no life) weekday regular that was “looking forward to this all day”. And what I get was one of the best debates I have read on this site in a long time with very little name calling and very rational points from both sides.
Well Done Maniacs.
"And some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak...Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us."
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What the hell??
I used to respect alot Jake Shields… but now i’m confused.. Why the fuck does he keeps his fucking hand open all the time. Extra reach? He’s one sloppy striker of a mother fucker. I still can’t imagine him trying to poke GSP to squeeze a victory… but still that’s hell of shady. WTF!
What the hell??
Now I think those strikeforce fighters should stay in strikeforce… they are a different league.
A bit late with...
something irrefutable.
If Mazzagati was referee for this fight, and found out Shields poked GSP in the eye.
He would have immediately disqualified GSP, and Shields would be welterweight champ right now.
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