UFC 130 predictions, preview and analysis
UFC 130: "Rampage vs. Hamill" is all set to go down tomorrow night (May 28, 2011) live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.
It's "Hammer" time.
When news first broke that original UFC 130 headliners Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard were removed from the Memorial Day Weekend event, the mixed martial arts community let out a collective groan.
Then UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones was instructed to help build hype accidentally let the cat out of the bag and hinted that "Rampage" Jackson could be next in line to challenge "Bones" for the 205-pound title -- if he can overcome the suffocating wrestling attack of Matt Hamill in the recently re-worked main event.
/groaning.
There's also an intriguing heavyweight throwdown between part-time friends and full-time grappling rivals Frank Mir and Roy Nelson. Who moves one step closer to title contention and who goes to the back of the line?
And expect Brian Stann to make a statement about his place among the 185-pound elite when he locks horns with former Sengoku straphanger Jorge Santiago.
It's a solid "Sin City" line-up no matter how you slice it.
I've also included the current betting lines for each fight so you can get a feel for what the money has to say about the chances of each combatant.
Now, enough with the formalities ... let's get cracking:
205 lbs.: Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (31-8) vs. Matt "The Hammer" Hamill (10-2)
Nostradumbass predicts: What's surprised me about this main event match-up is how quick people are to dismiss Matt Hamill as a credible threat, not just to Jackson, but to anyone in the light heavyweight division. "Rampage" wears a chain around his neck, howls inside the cage and bullies wimpy reporters. The rubes seem to like that kind of stuff.
But if we dig a little deeper we'll see a mixed martial artist who's struggled as of late. True, he's only suffered two defeats in eight trips to the Octagon, but he's also gone to the scorecards in five of his last six fights. That's a pretty significant number for a fighter who is billed as a power puncher.
Yes, he revoked Wanderlei Silva's license to remain conscious, but the Brazilian is probably one solid punch away from eating his pamonha through a straw. And it never looks good when you're one of the only people who hasn't knocked out Keith Jardine.
And do we need to bring up the Forrest Griffin debacle?
The point is I haven't seen anything in the last three years that convinces me Rampage is still elite. He was a big deal in 2007. Then again, so was Comet C/2006 P1. And I don't see how he loses to Rashad Evans only to vault back up the rankings because he squeaked past a gun-shy Lyoto Machida -- in a fight a lot of people think he lost.
So does that mean Matt Hamill is the better fighter? Tomorrow night he will be.
If you asked me to pick a fight where I knew for certain that Jackson was in shape, well prepared and 100-percent motivated, I pick him against almost anyone in the division. But when was the last time he met that criteria?
Hamill on the other hand has a chance to take his career to the next level and I know he's been training under the tutelage of Duff Holmes like it's the fight of his life.
It is.
He can beat Jackson if he does what he did against Tito Ortiz. I'm not suggesting that Tito and Rampage are on the same level, they aren't, but that's the strategy he needs to employ. Yes, I believe Hamill has underrated hands, but this is not the time or place to prove you can hang with the big boys.
This is Wrestlemania.
"The Hammer" only needs two rounds of blanketry to win this fight. If he decides to keep it upright to "feel him out," Jackson will knock his head into the fourth row. But if he comes in with a single-minded purpose and just continues to shoot and drive his foe to the mat, he'll sweep the judges scorecards.
Easily.
I think he sticks to the gameplan and gets it done.
Betting lines (as of May 27): Quinton Jackson (-260) vs. Matt Hamill (+220)
Prediction: Hamill via unanimous decision
265 lbs.: Frank Mir (14-5) vs. Roy "Big Country" Nelson (15-5)
Nostradumbass predicts: Mir we go again. I have nothing against the former heavyweight champ, but he's like an airplane beverage cart, clogging up the 265-pound aisle and preventing anyone from getting through in either direction.
Is Frank Mir ever going to wear the strap again? Not as long as Shane Carwin is in front of him in line. And I still don't think he beats Brock Lesnar in a rubber match, assuming the ailing TUF 13 coach has the guts to resume his fight career.
Still, he probably gets past Roy Nelson.
I say "probably" because this fight is a classic "pick 'em." They both have great jiu-jitsu and heavy hands. Unfortunately they both also have a history of performing inconsistently. Mir canceled Cheick Kongo but then let Carwin play Whac-a-Mir in his very next appearance.
And those fights were sandwiched between a loss to Lesnar and a win over Slow Cop.
Nelson made himself look good to the newer UFC fans by proving Kimbo Slice couldn't stomach a real fighter prior to separating the "Hybrid" and razing the "Skyscraper." But let's not forget he's also the last man Andrei Arlovski beat, which four fights (and three sleepers) later almost seems like an insult.
I can give "Big Country" a pass for enduring the best Junior dos Santos had to offer, but I cannot forgive decision losses to Ben Rothwell and Jeff Monson.
What this boils down to is a fight that I think disappoints. Expect a lot of long-distance haymakers, lots of fence hugging and a stalemate on the ground. It won't be the sedative that was Mir vs. Filipovic, but I'm not predicting fireworks either.
I hope I'm wrong.
Betting lines (as of May 27): Frank Mir (-130) vs. Roy Nelson (+110)
Prediction: Mir via split decision
265 lbs.:Travis "Hapa" Browne (10-0-1) vs. Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve (24-1)
Nostradumbass predicts: Stefan Struve is the type of fighter that gets one of those future billings that is starting to get old: "You know, when this kid gets a lil' bit older and starts to pack on another 15-20 pounds of muscle, he's going to be a real force to be reckoned with!"
Well here's a little newsflash for the mediums staring at their balls: "Skyscraper" is seven fights into his UFC career, we don't have time to sit around and watch him grow -- especially if the promotion absorbs the Strikeforce heavyweight roster.
You start shuffling those guys in and there's nowhere to go but out, figuratively and literally.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves, because this is a very winnable fight. Struve has demonstrated that he's got something you can't teach: heart. He's been busted up, beaten up and manhandled in a couple of fights but still came back for the win. Unfortunately as gusty as those performances are, they illustrate just how easily he can be hit.
I think he loses this fight because like his defeats to Junior dos Santos and Roy Nelson, Travis Browne doesn't leave much margin for error. He hits you, you go down.
Okay, the Cheick Kongo fight was an abomination, but what fight with him isn't?
"Hapa" is a merciless striker with a ton of power and I don't know if Struve can weather the storm long enough to make something happen.
Look for the Hawaiian to come out with a patient but forward-moving attack that initiates a paint-by-numbers defense from the Dutchman, who won't have enough time to get into a comfort zone -- until he's sleeping midway through the opening frame.
Betting lines (as of May 27): Travis Browne (-145) vs. Stefan Struve (+125)
Prediction: Browne via technical knockout
170 lbs: Thiago "Pitbull" Alves (18-7) vs. Ricky "Horror" Story (12-3)
Nostradumbass predicts: I used to dread making any kind of prediction for Thiago Alves prior to the event weigh-ins, just because it was impossible to predict which "Pitbull" was going to exit the doghouse. Would he be the muscular menace who would rather pay 20% of his purse and outweigh his opponent by 30 pounds on fight night? Or the starving Brazilian who looked like he just boarded a train to Auschwitz?
Against John Howard, he was neither.
In fact, if that's the Alves that tips the scales later tonight, you can stick a toothpick in Ricky Story and it will come out clean, because he's done. The Alves who manages his weight and trains properly beats anyone in the 170-pound division not named Georges St. Pierre.
His leg kicks could fell a sequoia, he's as strong as a heavyweight and he can dish out three rounds of punishment without even batting an eyelash. Let's hope for his sake the Howard fight was the rule and not the exception.
Because this "Story" is not over just yet.
After stumbling against John Hathaway in his Octagon debut, he's lived up to his nickname by stringing together five consecutive wins. He is without question one of the division's brightest prospects. Unfortunately his record speaks for itself.
Not to discredit his competition, but the biggest name he's faced is Jake Ellenberger. And split decision wins over Jesse Lennox and Nick Osipczak are definitely red flags when you compare them to Thiago's resume, which is littered with top welterweights like St. Pierre, Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck.
I don't want to label this a mismatch, because it isn't, but I'm trying to envision a scenario where Story out-works, out-wrestles or out-strikes Alves -- and I'm coming up empty.
Then again, you might want to check back with me after the weigh ins.
Betting lines (as of May 27): Thiago Alves (-210) vs. Ricky Story (+175)
Prediction: Alves via technical knockout
185 lbs.: Brian "All American" Stann (10-3) vs. Jorge Santiago (23-8)
Nostradumbass predicts: I know rooting for Brian Stann has become the patriotic thing to do during a Memorial Day Weekend pay-per-view event, but I think it's still a bit early to anoint him the next king of the middleweights. His recent destruction of Chris Leben, while impressive, is getting way more attention than it should.
"The Crippler" had a legendary chin dating back to his days as an original TUF guy, but now he's not much more than a zombified punching bag who's continued to deteriorate over the course of his career. That's why I can't go crazy about Stann just yet, though he's definitely shown promise.
What he needs to do is demonstrate a well-rounded game and not just his patented Rock 'em, Sock 'em offense, especially tomorrow night. Knockout power is great, but once you get over that mid-card hump and start swimming with the sharks, heavy hands just aren't enough.
Santiago will prove that tomorrow night.
The well-traveled veteran was chased out of the UFC with his tail between his legs, but he's been able to find himself overseas and anyone who's followed his exploits in Sengoku can recognize his maturity as a fighter.
And he hasn't just been recycling cans.
Trevor Prangley, Kazuo Misaki and Mamed Khalidov aren't top ten fighters, but they aren't exactly flipping burgers in between fights either.
I like Santiago in this fight because I believe he's the more complete fighter. The knockout is a very credible threat and I don't have to tell him that, but I think he can weather an early storm and outwork the aggressive Marine who will likely lose some of his steam as the fight rolls on.
I predict Stann takes a dominant first round but begins to fade early in the second, allowing Santiago to turn on the jets and steal the split decision win.
Betting lines (as of May 27): Brian Stann (-145) vs. Jorge Santiago (+125)
Prediction: Santiago via split decision
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Thank you Jesse
We all needed a good notradumas post today. Honestly.
"It would take a handful of loonies to buy bagged milk" - Jay.
that is until I saw you pick Hamill
Facepalm.
"It would take a handful of loonies to buy bagged milk" - Jay.
"And I still don't think he beats Brock Lesnar in a rubber match, assuming the ailing TUF 13 coach has the guts to resume his fight career."
Haha. Wow.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
What an awesome start to the analysis with the hamill pick
Definitely not hamming it up. Then it descends into ridiculousness. Mir split? Come on, his lungs will shrivel up into dried raisins and he’ll collapse before he ever makes it to rd 3 in a fight where he’s not just hangin out n chatting. Browne? He’ll find a home inside a triangle. And Jorge – he got KO’d from the bottom by a hammerfist from the cannibal. I think stann hits a tinsy bit harder.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NNR - how does Matt win this?
I don’t see him setting up his shot fast enough. Maybe throwing about a dozen slow jabs and getting the clinch but I don’t see that working too well for him.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
This story will be more about Rampage's tendency to fight at the level of his opponent.
Instead of outclassing him as he should. He’s gonna be aggressive and head hunting because he’s in his “Back to my PRIDE days” mode. Walking down guys while throwing hooks, looking to body lock for slams etc….. not a good idea against matt who’s good at hitting those low takedowns and is pretty good with his high boxing guard. Body shots might be the way for rampage to win like ace ventura showed but he doesnt think or fight strategically ever. In the end the story of the fight will be Late Takedown ftw!!!
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i still can't beleive your not in the money pool nnr.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Am very tempted to join but
i am very forgetful about making picks and also right now i’ve stopped all my gambling efforts after significant losses to my betus bankroll aka everything.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you still have time.
it’s $20 for 4 months and thats about as far as you can stretch $20 gambling. Also you can make your picks ahead of time and then go back and change them throughout the weeks leading up to the ppv, they are not locked in until a few hours before so it’s different then macs pool. You can pick an under dog mate, we’d love to have ya.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
+1. C*mon nnr stop being a wuss
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
So rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against 'em
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly. Know your enemy
by d*locc on May 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll talk to jay
what the hell. lets do it.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's wut I'm talking about!
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
So rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against 'em
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly. Know your enemy
by d*locc on May 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You fools just convinced one of the most knowledgeable maniac into joining the money pool.
I don’t understand the logic.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
I sense fear in this one
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
very scared, i myself enjoy the challenge.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
^ famous last words ^
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
email his address on the thread. you need to pay, get your account invite and get your picks in tonight.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Some OG competition, nice!
I am loving the upsets for this event.
The Season 1 Mania Money Pool CHAMPION!
The only MMAmania Fantasy Football CHAMPION!
The Season 3 Mania Money Pool CHAMPION!
The reigning and defending Mania Money Pool CHAMPION!
lol...
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good, that's what we like to see
Finally some real competition in this pool, I’ll have to step up my game to win this thing now.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
HAHAHA
guess you weren’t paying attention when NNR got knocked out of Mac’s pool.
For the encyclopedia in his brain on MMA, he is very biased to certain guys. ;)
Nah, i got knocked out because i kept forgetting to make picks lol
which is what am afraid of with this pool.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was on a roll though and was catching up all of the time, just like you have been
NNR had a bad start but was in the best form out of everybody before he forgot to make his picks and was eliminated. If he had a better memory then he’d be right near the top now. Biased or not NNR knows his MMA and his fight picking on event night is usually close to perfect.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
My best night is still UFC 83
The injury filled one that everyone got killed on. I nailed that one. That’s forever gonna be my “scoring 4 touchdowns in a single game.” story lol
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Am I allowed to shit-talk him without you swooping to the rescue???
didn’t know you liked Minnesota cock so much Davey boy…
Do you have to pic all the fights or just the 5 on the live card?
What about fight nights and TUF finales?
You've been Dana'd
All UFC events for a 4 month period, all fights
fighter, round, type of ending
too late for a join now, unless you can process paypal in 10 minutes. See the rec’d fanposts for more info. (MMAMania/UFC Money Pool)
No you're not lol
Especially when your trash talk is just a lie.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
It is not a lie
He was not at the top.
He was behind me (but started earlier) when he forgot to pick.
He was doing OK. OK does not preclude you from me trash talking you. There was no lie involved.
Lying is saying that you are a pretty boy or I like England. ;)
All you do is lie
Like when you claim that Forrest is actually good and that Andy isn’t the P4P King or a great guy. And especially when you bash my good looks and beautiful country haha.
Still undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Still the leader of Mac's Mania Pool
Trash talk away my good man!!!
Your dollars will only taste so much sweeter to spend. Gotta get home first though so i can set this thing up and get it going.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jays email in the rec'd thread. do it.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hammill
Mir
Stann
Browne
Alves
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Further more, I have a sig bet with Chronogata on Lesnar over JDS
by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you see Matt winning this? How? He is so slow.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Page ain't all that fast himself.
Matt has the tools to win this fight. I don’t know if he will so I guess I’m just picking him cause I want him t win. Matt is slow and has rudimentary stand up but he’s strong and tough and as long as he doesn’t stay on the inside that should be enough.
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Further more, I have a sig bet with Chronogata on Lesnar over JDS
by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt walks around with his hands down
A recipe for disaster against a guy who throws great hooks.
Hammill’s vaunted wrestling did nothing against Ace, and Ace hit him easily. Page is a better striker, in every single way, than Ace. Expect Page to hit Hammill early and often.
Where does all this love for Hamill come from??
don’t get me wrong….i love the fact that a lot of people are picking him….i just don’t understand why? Despite his record, he has never really impressed me, other than the fact that he has a great chin and can take a punch. That might be good enough against a lot of fighters, but not the guys at the top of the division. All Rampage has to do is stuff a few TD’s, and Hamill will be stuck in standup mode, and he’ll get picked apart. Hamill has never really impressed me.
Greatest P4P in the world.........Cain Velasquez. Know it, learn it, live it.
Official Sig Bet Record: 5-1-2. Who's got next?
no clue
what I find even funnier is the people who in one breath think Hammill has a shot and then turn around and say Page has a shot against Jones…
Matt looked great against Tito,
He kept his hands up he worked his combos well and mixed up his strikes and his takedowns better than I’ve seen him do before. Also with the way Page was controlled by Rashad and Machida in the clinch and on the ground I don’t see why you guys think Page has such an advantage.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that's all fine, but look at the opponents you just mentioned.....
Matt looked great against……Tito Ortiz.. Meanwhile, Page is fighting Rashad and Machida. This is probably the toughest guy Hamill has fought, meanwhile Hamill isn’t at the level that Page has been fighting.
Greatest P4P in the world.........Cain Velasquez. Know it, learn it, live it.
Official Sig Bet Record: 5-1-2. Who's got next?
Are we talking TITO??
that is your example?? Hammill beat a guy that has not won a fight in 5 YEARS!!.
Why discount the Ace fight?
The guy looked great against someone who sucks I know.
Doesn’t change the fact he looked great. And yes Matt fought and lost to Rich in 08, who cares? Page has had trouble against competent wrestlers lately I don’t see this being different. I’m not saying Matt is a slam dunk here but denying he has a chance is silly Rampage should be on a two fight skid right now. Tell me what you’ve seen from him lately that inspires confidence.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He has hung with the elite and has wins against them. Would you take Hammill over Shad or Machida?
Hammill has been DESTROYED by the best of the best and looked good against low-tier comp.
I always guage success by quality of opponent. Rampage has fought a who’s who in recent years anbd has been very competitive. Hammill has fought two top 10 guys in his career and didn’t fare so well.
Is Page not top 10?
It's the same formula I'm using for Mir/Nelson fight.
Who has Nelson really defeated other than the Great Kimbo?
Facebook is for gays!!
Schaub and Struve
both were green and Roy rocked them.
I would take Schaub in a rematch, by a mile. Not Struve, though, he is too hittable.
Schaub was way too cocky in his fight with Nelson.
he’s still cocky as hell but he’ll have a better game plan the second time around.
Facebook is for gays!!
You can never tell where a guy is until you test him.
Bones doesn’t count either because he has run through everybody. (Expect Bonnar I guess) So your saying that Matt can’t hang with the best because he lost to Rich Franklin 3 years ago in like his 5th professional fight? And if you want to gauge success by quality of opponent I’d say they both did about the same against Keith. And as for taking Matt over Shad or Machida, Lyoto no prolly not but Matt vs Shad is a game fight. If you look at like opponents Matt did better against Tito and Bisping than Rashad did. Also Matt is way bigger than Rashad so I would say it’s a close fight.
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Further more, I have a sig bet with Chronogata on Lesnar over JDS
by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hammill beats the Reese Andy's of the world and loses to the elite. pretty simple.
Hammill has fought 2 guys on this level and lost. Once badly. Page is still game-enough to not lose to Hammill.
I still don’t get how beating Tito and Jardine gets you a shot at Page, unless DW wants a highlight to promote Page’s next fight.
Hamill hasn't lost since 08, Dana said he gets a top ten guy so he gets a 1-1 Rampage
Matt is 10-2 in his MMA career it’s a little early to be branding him incapable of being a contender.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
meh, too much stock in wins and losses.
In a perfect world, Tito (0 for 2007, 08,08, 10 and 11)+Jardine (not in the UFC after being 1-6 in last 7) does not equal Rampage.
I am not discounting his entire career, but he has not shown enough improvement for me to think he will ever be elite.
Nice of you to make the Jones beatdown a win in your post. Regardless of records, we know how that went down.
I had to be fair across the board
I counted the Machida fight as a win for Page so I had to count the Jones fight as a win for Matt
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Page won that fight 2-1 because Machida was too tentative
Hammill got a dislocated shoulder, the bridge of his nose busted and pounded in the face, but Jones got DQ’d.
BIG DIFFERENCE
Really? It's still a win.
And the Judges said Page won that fight but he didn’t, same as the Judges said Matt did
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And ULF come on man
Jackson is 2-1 in his last three, one of those is Jardine. Hamill beat Jardine and sent him packing 2 fights ago seems fair to me. Also other than Phil Davis Matt has the longest streak in the LHW division.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
against nobodies (other than the Jones DQ)
Hammill got a gift because there is nobody else. Sure he won the fights put in front of him, but the guys were not stellar comp by any means.
Tito has not been top 25 for 3 years. Jardine has not been to 20 for 2. How do they equal fighting the #3 fighter in the division?
All wins are not the same, my friend.
When news first broke that original UFC 130 headliners Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard were removed from the Memorial Day Weekend event, the mixed martial arts community let out a collective groan.
Personally, I shrugged when I heard this news. For whatever reason these guys’ fights just don’t do anything for me.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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man part deuce was an amazing fight
And I don’t care for either of them
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by daniel worby on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can see that if he lets Roy just waddle up to him and start throwing bombs.
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HAHAHAHAHA
I just looked like an ass in a quiet office with this burst of laugh.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In Roy's defense
I’m pretty sure even Monson thinks Big Country got robbed.
And Mir’s three career knockouts, two over crumbling veterans past their sell-by dates, do not “heavy hands” make. Roy has twice the power and twice the chin.
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by Johnny WF on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
half the cardio and half the boxing
makes it a pretty even fight.
I will take the guy who has a notable win.
LOL @ mir having cardio.
He’s prone to gassing. And in fights where he didnt, it’s because he was getting pelted into unconsciousness or hangin out chatting.
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One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BC's cardio isn't as bad as you'd expect with all that weight,
I do agree with what mir said the other day though, he should be @ 205, along with fedor and cro-cop.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny that in 19 career fights, Mir has gone to the 3rd, twice and won them both
Your sample size is lacking and you are using 2 fights for which it is generally known that he could have cared less. He was fighting for a paycheck…Oh my God. Now I get your hate for Mir…
Let it go, you will realize that Mir is truly a gatekeeper to the elite, but Roy was never, and will never be, elite. Roy has lost this fight before and he will lose it again.
haha not the paycheck -
cro cop – aka hangin out after to break the clinch, and good ol dan chris. Oh he sure kept em out of the elite. Showed them right. Come on man, you cant honestly compare either of those two to Roy. And for anyone that has seen the disaster that is the dan christinson fight, you know how bad both of them gassed after the first minute.
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If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not comparing to Roy. You are reading too much into what i am saying. I am not nearly so cryptic
I am only comparing the two fighters. I throw out the 3 fights after the accident because that is obviously not the Mir we see today and look at how they fared against their opponents, and how they grew. Here is what I know.
Mir is never going to be champ again. He has shabby boxing and footwork. He will not sub Roy and will not KO Roy. He has quality wins against Timmay (in his prime) and Nog (albeit beyond Prime)
Roy is never going to be UFC champ. He has horrendous boxing and footwork. He will not sub Mir, but could KO him. Roy has not beaten anyone of note. Schaub is his best win, and it was Schaub’s 5th fight. You can argue he beat Monson, but elite fighters get those types of nods.
The fight is either going to be a Roy KO or a Mir decision. Considering Roy throws haymakers and Mir has a pretty big reach advantage, i am going with the Mir decision, but you are obviously biased if you believe that this is a walk in the park for Roy. He has 7 minutes, max, to KO Mir or his KO power is gone.
Mir/Nelson will be the first 24-24 draw for sucking ass.
Rampage – (Hamill has the tools, but too slow to execute)
Mir/Nelson – No one cares.
Struve
Stann
Alves
Torres
8-8 rds? really? not even a 27-27?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on May 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All 8-8 rounds
ALA a “Kalib Starns special”.
Miguel tries to land a bomb on Demetrious:

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by daniel worby on May 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
what a putz hey?
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by daniel worby on May 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got.
Hamil
Mir
story- even tho I’m a huge thiago fan
Struve
Santiago- rooting for stann tho
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
So rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against 'em
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly. Know your enemy
by d*locc on May 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i got
Hamill (mostly b/c i think Rampage is on his way out, mentally)
Mir via split decision (agree 100% with Jesse’s writeup)
Alves (he’s credited the Dolce diet so many times, he’s convinced me he’s dedicated to it)
Struve (i hope)
Stann (comes in guns blazing and catches him early)
_________
Grove
Torres
Tibau
… and i don’t know enough about the other 4 fighters to pick winners.
Same here the last few fights I haven't heard of the fighters.
I took boetsch I think grove has trouble w/the heavy hitters but he can def pull off a sub. Santiago vs. Stann for knock out of the night.
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
So rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against 'em
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly. Know your enemy
by d*locc on May 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reading these predictions
makes me realize just how shitty a card this is (No offense to your article Jesse. It was an excellent piece).
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by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
We're not looking at the same card I guess
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree
Not a lot of huge-name guys, but stylistically there should be some great fights.
"Dak is an evil genius." - Ulf
There should be great fights
but I am not paying $44,99 for them when HDNet has better fights than this on a regular basis.
I could be wrong
But I think we’ll be plesantly surprised with how exciting/good they turn out.
"Dak is an evil genius." - Ulf
I really hope you're right as I really don't have anything plan for this weekend.
Facebook is for gays!!
I may actually stream for the first time ever and not feel guilty
but I will probably just hop on here and get highlights as they come.
There is no chance I buck up for this one and there isn’t a bar within 30 miles that has the event.
WHere do you live Alaska?
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no.
this card has potential to be the crappiest UFC event in a while, but you just really never know. Just like Ulf said, is it really worth $45? I don’t think so.
Facebook is for gays!!
If it wasn't for the money pool I wouldn't even bother watching this event
The fights could end up being terrible but at least they’re all unpredictable (including the main event) and there is a lot of potential for upsets. The card has suffered a lot from losing the Frankie-Gray main event and it’ll have an awful buyrate but I’m interested to see how my picks pan out. This is a big example of a poor card on paper being a lot more interesting because of gambling and fight picking.
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Same here.
well let’s hope we’re all wrong and this event is somewhat entertaining.
Facebook is for gays!!
I have a feeling this will be like 119
It’ll be a bad show on paper and will flop on the night.
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the picks "they" dont want you know about by kevin trudeau.
Rampage
mir
Alves
Browne
Santiago.
by wooly shambler on May 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bias is the point in this one
Not sure if you realize. Jesse uses very little bias in any of his posts, EXCEPT this one.
There is a reason he is Nostradumbass.
So Nostradumbass is like his alter ego or something?
Hmmm…I hope he’s intentionally being a jerk…because to dismiss Rampage by saying he’s washed up is lame, to say being one of the few that hasn’t KO’d Jardine is lame…to call Cro Cop Slow Cop is lame…to say Brock has no guts is lame….there were some other lame things that I can’t remember right now, and I’m on my way to enjoy a quick 30 mins of all you can eat Chinese so I will have to complain later
by Starr788 on May 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not alter-ego, Jesse is Nostrdumbass
but he leaves his opinion at the door for all of his threads except fo when he picks fights, which he does pretty well.
The jokes are not always the best,b ut it inspired you to make an extra post to dismiss him, which is the whole point of him making these posts. ;)
The Brock line is priceless.
Not because I think Brock is a coward(I don’t) but because he’s literally having gut problems (Get it?)
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol explaining the joke ruins it
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I am a funsucker
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
These odds are surprising:
Brian Stann (-145) vs. Jorge Santiago (+125)
Travis Browne (-145) vs. Stefan Struve (+125)
Fighting solves everything.
How so?
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought for sure Struve would be a favourite...
and as for Santiago, I think he should be the favourite, but I know alot of people are picking him. In the cash-pool over 75% are picking Stann. I think he’s getting a little too much love.
Fighting solves everything.
It's the one fight I'm not sure about
I picked Jorge in the free pool but the closer we get to fight night the more I fear Santiago’s chin and Stann’s punching power. If this fight goes into the later rounds then it’s all Jorge’s but at the same time it could end up ending in a quick KO. I’ve already changed my pick a couple of times and probably will tinker with it tonight.
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I have been on playground three times today, lol
not telling you what I changed, but I changed things each time.
i even came in 2nd place in the last event.
well, it was actually first place, since your picks dont count.
Fighting solves everything.
believe me
I have been reminded how many times those were practice picks. Not sure if it made people sleep better at night or what. I know some were lucky, but it will take luck to win this thing.
I am honestly hoping for an event win to recoup the $20. anything more than that is gravy.
It's mostly luck, but I do use some strategy for my picks.
and so far Im doin pretty well. In 3 seasons so far, I got 2nd place twice and 3rd or 4th once (cant remember). I should change my name to First Word, maybe then I’ll win a pool.
It can’t be purely luck because VM won 2 of the 3 seasons. He’s doing somethin right.
Fighting solves everything.
I felt confident the first time I made my picks.
Not so much anymore after changing them a half dozen times.
Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.
Two_Words.
And that's the word.
One word as to why Jorge is the underdog:
Chin.
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by Johnny WF on May 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When was the last time a guy from Japan came over and won his American (Re) Debuet?
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yokozuna in the WWE.
I’m sure he squashed the poor Scott Wolf in his opener.
Jorge and Yokozuna aren't/weren't Japanese
Fighters from Japanese promotions have struggled in their debuts/returns to US based promotions. The only one who was successful in a Japanese promotion and has gone on to dominate an American promotion is Alvarez and he’s an American anyway. The only fighters from the Far East who have successfully transitioned from Japanese promotions to the UFC are Kim and Okami and it’s no coincidence that they’re the only 2 who cut weight and have strong grappling bases. Sexyama won his UFC debut but underperformed in a close fight and hasn’t won a fight since.
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Omigawa and Kawajiri cut weight as well
they just only fight top guys and are not elite, so they lose.
Yokozuna wasn't Japanese?
Makes me wonder what else in professional wrestling might be fake………….
how about...
Big Nog, Lil Nog, Anderson Silva, Yushin Okami, Rampage Jackson, Nate Marquardt, Stun Gun Kim.
Fighting solves everything.
2006 was a long time ago
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Andy was dominating Cage Rage after Pride so I count him as an English based fighter come good haha
In all seriousness Kim and Okami aside it’s mainly the Far Eastern fighters who have struggled to perform, mainly because they’re all undersized and don’t cut weight. And even the non-Japanese Pride stars like Rampage, Hendo, Gomi, the Nog Bros, Wand and Cro Cop have all struggled to recapture that form in the UFC. Rampage and Big Nog have had some great displays and Lil Nog won his debut but the majority have underperformed and even Fedor has lost his last 2 in SF. Shogun has looked outstanding at times (Machida, Chuck) and mediocre at others (Coleman, Bones, Forrest) so it’s tough to judge his success and the one who has easily done the best out of the Pride alum was Andy and his stint at Pride was mixed at best.
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Struve is flakey and has had problems with Power Punchers, his main advantage (His ground game) is negated by Browne's solid Take down D
Struve height advantage is worthless cause he doesn’t use it and Browne is a fucking giant himself.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not impressed by Browne at all
He’s a big strong guy with no technique. That’s all well and good against a one dimensional undersized striker like McSweeney but his lack of cardio and grappling was exposed big time by Kongo (who’s whole offense consists of shorts pulling and knees to the balls). Struve usually starts off shit and will end up being rocked in the opening minutes of this fight but expect Browne to make a sloppy mistake and get caught either on the feet or the ground once he inevitably gasses, just as any mediocre big guy does against Struve.
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I don't blame Browne for being hugged and groped by Kongo, he was tagging him and Kongo didn't want it.
I don’t know about no technique cause I thought he looked good in the small amount of time he was able to strike with Kongo.
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by doonerthesooner on May 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
All of his punches looked very sloppy and telegraphed to me
It just shows how overrated Kongo’s kickboxing is that his only answer to powerful but wild strikes was to lean against the fence and foul him for the whole fight.
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Only one I agree with is Mir.
I love Alves, but everytime he is pressured and put on his back he loses, which is exactly what Story will do. He outwrestled Hendriks, which was very impressive IMO.
That was against world class grapplers (GSP, Fitch)
Story is not on that level. I see some stuffs and leg kicks to death.
Im a GSP fan...
But he is nowhere near a world class grappler
enzo
by enzo-enormous on May 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP might have the best wrestling in MMA (for MMA)
if that doesn’t make him world-class, I don’t know what does.
grapplings such a general word though
a lot of people think off jj but its all arts that dont include striking.it includes throws,subs,sub-defence,escapes,positioning,tds,tdd so yes gsp is a world class grappler
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"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
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GSP is easily a world class grappler
His wrestling is the most effective in the sport and he’s a BJJ black belt who has training under legitimate world class BJJ practitioners like Roger Gracie so he’s always improving in that area. If you don’t consider him to be a world class grappler then nobody in MMA is.
Story has proven how good his wrestling is by outwrestling Hendricks. Johnny is a very decorated wrestler so to see him beaten at his strength shows just how good Ricky is. He may not be as big a name as GSP or Fitch but in that aspect of MMA he’s still very dangerous and I am not convinced at all that Alves is prepared for him. He beat Kos when Josh took the fight on short notice and kickboxed for 3 rounds and he destroyed Hughes after coming in way overweight but against Story he’s going to be on the defence from the start and he won’t be given the chance to find his range and attack with leg kicks. This is Ricky’s chance to prove himself against a big name and I expect him to get the decision in this one, he’s going to surprise a lot of people tomorrow.
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Alves is gonna eat your fucking babies Rick Story!
You are feeling dumb as fuck right now for calling him out. Your gonna feel even dumber when you shoot for a desperate takedown after feeling his power and he stuffs that shit. ALVES ALVES ALVES!!!
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