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UFC Quick Quote: Georges St. Pierre is light years away from becoming an Olympic wrestler

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"It is a bummer because the sport is losing good guys like Daniel Cormier, Mo Lawal, Ben Askren, they almost lost me for a bit. It's happening because guys are seeing MMA, I hate to say it, but it's an easier sport than wrestling. Wrestling is a sport, just like boxing, it's been around for hundreds of years ... If [Georges St. Pierre could make the Canadian Olympic Wrestling Team], he'd be the best athlete of all time. I'd shake his hand. To answer that question, no, there's a big difference between Georges St. Pierre and scoring a point on our elite wrestlers here in the U.S., even Canada. Canada isn't as elite as the U.S. but he's years away from becoming anything Olympic level. If he did, I'd literally, I don't know what I'd do, I'd probably jump off a building ... When I think of a world class wrestler, I think of Mo Lawal. That's the only guy I really see. Cain Velasquez was good but he was an All-American, fourth place. The other guys, they were good college wrestlers but there's a big difference between world class here in the states. Light years I guess you could say because of international competition."

Don't count 2008 Olympic gold medalist Henry Cejudo among the believers that UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre has any kind of chance of becoming an Olympic wrestler. "The American Dream" tells the SB Nation that scoring takedowns inside the cage and demonstrating good hip movement may dazzle the un-initiated audience, but it hardly qualifies the Canadian for world-class competition. Any wrestlers out there ready to corroborate these statements? Or is this just sour grapes because mixed martial artists have used wrestling to become bona fide superstars?

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The main problem with GSP is he is too one dimensional in his current fights. Why not give us different flavours in fights then just boxing or wrestling. Throw everything you got into your opponent (with still a strategy) and maybe you’ll start finishing guys like before.

Too much out wrestling a wrestler and outstriking a striker.

Our maybe he needs to be angry with his opponent. Buy a dog, let’s say a German Shepherd and then before the fight tell him his opponent used to beat dogs. Just saying

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by DJF on May 26, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

out-struck Kos, who is a wrestler

out-wrestled and out-struck Penn, who is a jits player and a great striker

out-struck and out-wrestled alves, who is a striker.

im confused as to how he is one dimensional…

by A.K on May 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya dammit! listen to AK!

Go Gsp!

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by daniel worby on May 26, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The part that DJF was wrong is that

GSP out wrestles strikers

and

out strikes wrestlers.

Also, I have no idea what he meant about German Shepherd…

He is not Nick Diaz. He does not fight to his opponents strengths. He fights to his opponents weaknesses.

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by ViolentMike on May 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would consider out wreslting Kos in their first fight and out striking Penn beating them at their strengths

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by D_Smith on May 26, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He goes back and forth with the playing into the strengths or weakness thing depending on what he wants to prove and what his opponent is exepecting.

He wanted to prove his was better than BJ on the feet and the ground, he did. Who called that he would jab Kos to death in their second fight? Certainly not Kos.

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by D_Smith on May 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he had to wrestle with BJ first.

I’m not saying that GSP didn’t out strike BJ, but he did mention that he wanted to tire out BJ’s ams in order to do so.
And KOS is retarded bc He could have out wrestled GSP in that fight.

Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL

by MBOW on May 26, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

His fight with Avles was hands down the most boring fight at UFC 100

and you are trying to tell me that his fight with Hardy was a stand up battle????

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by ViolentMike on May 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a GSP fan - his Kos fight was disappointing for me.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did have it the other way.

The GS was dumb, I’ll admit, I was trying to say he doesn’t have a killer instinct. Why can’t he strike and wrestle in the same fight? It seems like he does one or the other and only wants to out point his opponent.

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by DJF on May 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb?

Q: Why can’t he strike and wrestle in the same fight?

A: Fights go like that. Its not as though GSP is fighting an inanimate heavy bag right?

Opponents do fight back, defend and generally attempt to oppose.

Lets be real, unless its an early knock out a fight is only going to be as good as BOTH fighters fighting. Blaming GSP for the GSP vs Shields fight.. Well Shields NEVER looks good, nor do his opponents.

The lesson? Even GSP can’t create fireworks in a Shields fight.

GSP hasn’t stopped his last few opponents right? Well if GSP was fighting so poorly WHY did his opponents NOT finish GSP?

by ArmChairMMA on May 26, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

out greased, you mean?
out-wrestled and out-struck Penn, who is a jits player and a great striker

he didn’t exchange with penn until the later rounds, when penn was beaten emotionally in a match that never really happened

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

the match never really happened?

youre a penn fan, i see. my condolences.

by A.K on May 26, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can honestly say i disagree with you there.

that was one of the first GSP fights i ever watched, when i was very new to the sport. i didnt even know who either of them really were.

and i thought GSP won.

by A.K on May 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by TheGuyAboveMeFarted on May 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed. He adjusted it to lay-n-pray for the last 2 RS and won via points. And that's all that counts in the sport of MMA.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want blood!!!! Muahahahaha! Seriously, it was not a criticism of GSP - just an impartial observation.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is waaaay more a testament to BJ's fighting spirit than it is to GSP's abilities.

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by ViolentMike on May 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know,

Out of all people, even the most GSP of all GSP haters, I have never heard anyone say he is one dimensional. Guess there is a first for everything…

"I don’t want to fighter Jake Shields, because he has no personality, he’s a boring fighter, and when he got to CBS, and it was his chance to be a star, leg humped {Jason Miller] all night long, and killed our ratings. That’s why I don’t want to fight Jake Shields.". Frank Shamrock

by redfox54 on May 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only one of those skills was used to finish a fight now and then.

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by P-Dub on May 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

OJR – that is what I was getting at. I agree he has all the skills but there is a reason he isn’t finishing opponents. And I did say ‘current’ fights

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by DJF on May 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured as much. I just wanted to clarify.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Cejudo is right. "light years away" lol.

Anderson Silva would never fight "Bones". He is too scared to fight the real P4P champion. Nick Diaz, the man who will prove to the MMA world that he is the best WW in the world. Still public enemy #1 and enjoying every minute of it.

by wolfmanshowlforever on May 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also light years past from being a fighter, he's just a money making finely tuned machine these days
Georges St. Pierre is light years away from becoming an Olympic wrestler

i’m gonna have to troll go ahead and agree with the unibrow (cejudo) here

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

light years past a fighter, yes.

you are correct. he is much, much more than a fighter.

light years “from” a fighter? hell no. if you honestly think that, ask yourself this question.

“if gsp and i were locked in a fight to the death, and no money was on the line, just our lives, who would win?”

i would say GSP is a hell of a fighter, and mixed martial arts.

by A.K on May 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious OJR? you like your chances of stuffing the takedown, stopping his guard passes

keeping him from taking your back, and choking you to death?

you cant be serious.

by A.K on May 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody has ever died from being wrestled to death.

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by P-Dub on May 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true. I die a little inside every time he is on.

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by P-Dub on May 26, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

AK - I implying that in a true fight - all bets are off. MMA = sport. GSP is an incredible athlete and a sportsman.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree 100%

but what im saying is someone at the very highest level in an all-inclusive combat sport like MMA would have an obvious, heavy advantage against desk jockeys like you and I.

by A.K on May 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anything you can do, he can do

You don’t think GSP (or just the average pro MMA fighter) could stay out of your range, then dart in and swiftly kick you in your balls?

Weapons is a whole different story. You can’t train taking a bullet. If your argument against GSP is that he would die if you shot him in the chest, then bless your heart.

by Patrick Daryl on May 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

but doesn't grease deflect bullets? sorta like a bullet proof vest?

know what? i live in mexico, let me go grease and find out, brb…

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your poor dog!

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by haglnuts on May 26, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patrick - No, no, no... bless your heart! Or as real men would say it : Fuck you.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably give myself 50/50 even if I had a gun,

depending on what type it was of course. I’d be to busy worrying about how I was going to die if I missed the shot or two I got off.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its an important distinction to make. MMA is a beautiful sport and not some ugly, primal fight to the death.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course OJR

But if the rules are spelled out to both, my money is on the skilled, faster, stronger dude every time. My assumption is that the mma fighter would use the dirty techniques also if needed.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

i was talking a fist fight to the death, not OJR with a gun and GSP unarmed.

hand to hand combat to the death. a pro fighter at the top of the sport has my money every goddamn time lol

by A.K on May 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like a no-brainer A.K.

I admire OJ’s toughness but that would be ugly and quick.
Although I’m sure he’d last several seconds longer than me.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you the vast majority of the time.

But I don’t care where the regular joe is from, how many times he/she got their ass kicked as a kid or what their background is. The pro fighter would put them in a coma in a matter of minutes. Remember, the pro fighter can eye gouge, break shit and do all that fun stuff too. Not that he’d need it though.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP trains to fight an army my friend.

Put 2 or 3 Taliban fighters against him using only what God gave them but with no rules and them muthaphuckers would be visiting Osama in no time.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your POV - I just don't agree with it.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem,

I’m just trying to envision an average joe next to Anderson Silva or GSP. What would you expect them to do from a distance? My best guess is charge them and hope for some type of clinch and after that they may get a piece (literally). Maybe they could dive mouth first into his leg?? I think 99% of the time the pro fighter could land a strike or two that at the very least stun the guy. Then they would follow it up and either knock them unconscious on the feet or do it with a little GNP.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In hand to hand

no weapons, what does a regular joe from a war torn country bring to the table besides a kill or be killed mentality? Do you feel that edge would be enough for them to overcome a trained fighter who has an arsenal of mixed martial arts where their original origins were to be used in battle?

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. And I dig your sig. I hope that movie is good.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never said what they'd do?

Are they going to secure the takedown or does this game start from guard like in BJJ?

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

OJR, let's say you're an avg. Joe

and Anderson Silva is standing in front of you. Do you think you’ll get your hands on him prior to him shoving all your teeth down your throat. I guess you could try and catch his hand, foot or knee with your mouth and take a chunk out. But I’d like to see you land a groin strike or an eye gouge on him.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it's good too.

I like Ryan Reynolds (no homo) so I’m going in with an open mind. Promos look alright but I’ve been fooled before.

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy answer

He wants to live more than the pro fighter does and his emotions will carry him to victory. GTFO of here, unbelievable.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I'm sure the average joe

has no idea what “guard” is, and if they do it’s sloppy as hell. Too the ground, pass, illegal elbows from the top, he turtles, more elbows to the back of the head and spine, fish hook, double eye gouge, possible rnc…good night. You then proceed to curb stomp him into a pudding cup. He may get a shot in, scratch, bite, but that is about all. There is a reason they teach martial arts to Special forces.

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Do you remember how Leben looked when he charged after Anderson. That’s how I’d look against the average pro fighter, without the chin unfortunately.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I suppose the sun shines on a dogs ass at least once

just ask Matt Serra

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd put a single mother of 3 over the mma fighter. . .

Haven’t you heard? They can lift BUSSES if they have to!

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by haglnuts on May 26, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only the really fat ones!

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL. .

Wasn’t there someone here in the forum who has a thing for fatties?

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by haglnuts on May 26, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with a little meat haglnuts?

I’d rather have a little to much than not enough.

by Adam T. on May 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong. .

I’d much rather prefer the curves than the bones. I just hope this doesn’t spark pictures of that anorexic chick. Those images still haven’t left my mind!

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by haglnuts on May 26, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would tap after 10 minutes of being cuddled to death

or i’d die in the 11th minute, either of the two. Plus, everyone knows you just have to poke him in the eye a few times and it’s a fair match

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even then he still wins.

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by ArlovsKang on May 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the eye poke/punt to the genitals combo.

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by P-Dub on May 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Len, Mo, and Curly have that one trademarked already!

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by ViolentMike on May 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Len? Do you mean Larry? Do you not know your Stooges? What the fuck, man.

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by P-Dub on May 26, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP is the most well rounded Mixed Martial Artists today

His only flaw is he doesn’t have enough of the killer instinct and aggressive style to finishes fights he should be finishing. He thoroughly dominates his opponents, so it’s frustrating to see. I am a GSP fan but i got to say he’s in desperate need of a stoppage win if he wants to continue being a fan favorite…

by KOaddict on May 26, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think you're gonna stop watching MMA down the road

after the 3rd generation of fighters have passed and most everyone (at least the best guys) will be a finely tuned machines and the days of crazy mma wildness will be less and less.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it happened with basketball for me

i grew up watching glorious matches between robinson, hakeem & patrick, johnson doing shitty free throws and amazing slam dunks, kempt doing his vicious flying, drexler and stockton with their superb foot game and who can forget pyton vs stockton? those were awesome match ups!

once many of those retired i stoped watching all together, i don’t know if mma will do the same for me. I honestly like the new breed (as in mr wonderful, rory, dunham, etc) so chances are i’ll stick around

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You didn't watch Jordan?

I haven’t been able to watch since Jordan left.

by naturalshadow on May 26, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember watching the final against the lakers with my dad

good times

then he left but i was glad when he came back. I could never cheer for the guy ’cause the knicks rule, yo! but i am thankful i was able to see the best bb player in the history of the game do his thing

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

That is the player our children and grandchildren will ask about.

by naturalshadow on May 27, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which other countries

are the elite of amateur wrestling, apart from the U.S.?
I know Russia and some of the other old Soviet states are good but who is usually top of the Olympic medal tables?

by Matt Mosley on May 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

MMA is easier than Wrestling?

Sounds like a guy who never got punched in the face. Don’t downgrade mma to make your sport look better. I’m not saying that wrestling is easy but you can’t downplay a sport like mma where you get punched,kicked and choked. what a ass clown. Oh, and by the way? What would you have called wrestling and boxing hundreds of years ago. The whole" mma hasn’t been around enough to be called a sport" statements are old.

by goldmouth on May 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Being below average at a bunch of different skills

is far easier than being super elite at one. I think that’s where he’s trying to go. Which is why most elite MMA guys can never reach the mid tier much less the pinnacle of BJJ or boxing or Wrestling while guys who convert from the elite of any of those sports (maybe less from striking arts) have consistently shown that they easily become top tier elite mma fighters.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haven’t a lot of MMA fighters done good at Abu Dhabi and other top grappling/BJJ events though?

by Matt Mosley on May 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean you get instances of guys like hughes or ortiz winning

quarter finals or getting invites to top events for their names but usually no. I mean they compete and get average results but never go on to the pinnacle. Really the only guy i’ve heard of crossing over the other direction which major success is Gunnar Nelson (one of the most promising prospects in mma today). Can anyone think of other names? am blanking maybe

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BJ Penn?

Or did he start in BJJ? I’m not that clued up on MMA. Boxing is my no.1 sport.
But i do like MMA.

by Matt Mosley on May 26, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea he crossed over from BJJ.

He won the worlds after only 3 years of training. But also in his case, he’s kind of an exception. There arent too many athletes of his caliber in any sports really along with the kind of funds that allowed him the training he had..

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe in the past

But 1 dimensional fighters that are elite at that art aren’t the elite of mma anymore. They are competing and some are excelling but I can’t think of any mma fighter that I would consider elite that is 1 dimensional.

by goldmouth on May 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh it's not about being one dimensional.

My saying was that it’s much easier to become super elite at 1 dimension. Far more difficult than anyone off the street becoming just ok at 3 dimensions.For example you cant question GSP in terms of his MMA skills, no one has his skillset in MMA. But individual when compared to the elite within their own sport, they’re really not that good. But look at a guy like Jacare who was the top of the BJJ world. He came in an was able to quickly learn enough striking to be better than hell most guys in the top 10 of his division.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 26, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Comier just said in his opinion wrestling is harder than MMA.

He also said most guys can’t hang in wrestling pratice AKA.

by BNF on May 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

GSP has one great takedown

He has a great knee tap and can transition it very well to a double leg takedown. His takedown is set up with his striking ability. However, it takes more than one great takedown to succeed at international wrestling. We also don’t know how good GSP’s wrestling defense is against an opponent who doesn’t have to worry about getting hit in the face.

by MrPants on May 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

well i would like to add this....

i am gonna go on a limb ..and with out googling anything..i say that wrestling is not even offered in more schools in canada than schools that do… when it comes to being an elite athlete, unless you live in a bigger city.. you are basically on your own..you gotta give gsp credit for not coming from a wrestling base and being as good as he is..

by sarah- on May 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point and he didn't start until his twenties.

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by D_Smith on May 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP's the best athlete in the sport

Nobody else has that dedication to perfecting every single martial art, travelling the world to train with the elite of each discipline and mixing that up with training in gymnastics and sprinting just to further perfect his athleticism and improve his conditioning, speed and reactions. He works the hardest to be the best and constantly stays in shape, which is why he’s so good at everything in the sport and he’s always striving to improve. The only thing that GSP lacks is killer instinct and the ability to overcome injuries without it letting it affect his performance but because he’s so much better at everything than everyone else in his division that doesn’t matter and he still always wins by lopsided decision. I’m not a GSP fan but you have to admire someone with that work ethic and who actually takes cross-training so seriously.

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by David W-S on May 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk about the best “athlete” but I think he’s one of the hardest and most proficient workers in the game. He’s got the right idea about going to train in as many different places as he can also, Idk why more top athletes do not adopt that style of training. I guess gym/trainer loyalties get in the way of that for many fighters. He trains as smart and as hard as anyone in the world…..

by Modusopks on May 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have a wife and kids.

It would be immensely more difficult to do what he does with a young family waiting at home. I think.

Shields never eyepokes his opponent, so why all of a sudden is he throwing eyepokes every round against a guy he knows he can’t takedown?? Highly suspicious.

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by Yan117 on May 26, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah honestly, no matter how you feel about GSP’s fighting style or anything else to do about him you have to respect how hard he’s worked to be as skilled as he is now…..as you said he did not even come from a college or even HS wrestling background. That is amazing imo.

by Modusopks on May 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk in what sense he’s claiming wrestling is harder than MMA but I can’t help but think that is pure bullshit. I know wrestling is hardcore as hell training wise and really tough on you but you aren’t getting punched in the face or kicked or elbowed or kneed in wrestling so I’m not sure what the hell he’s talking about. I think he’s just pissed to see so many potential olympic wrestlers going over to MMA instead of staying with wrestling and trying out for the olympic team.

by Modusopks on May 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Every MMAer who came from a serious wrestling background has said that wreslting is harder than anything they have ever done.

I’ll take their word for it.

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by D_Smith on May 26, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason that amateur wrestlers go to MMA isn't because it's an easier sport, it's because they actually get paid to compete

There’s never been any money in amateur wrestling, whilst many people in the States as compete in the sport during college it’s not a viable career for the majority unless you open your own school and there’s nowhere near as much money for the elite wrestlers as there is for the top participants in other sports. Now that MMA has grown as a sport and wrestlers in particular have found success and fortune competing at the highest level they transition to a sport that they can actually make a good living from.

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by David W-S on May 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Spot on.

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by OJR on May 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly David!

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by D_Smith on May 26, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock Lesnar for example

If MMA would have been around when he was done competing at the Collegiate level, I’m sure he would have bypassed the whole WWF route. Lashley, as well, Batissta for another(ugh yeah I know)

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

batista wasn't a wrestler at any point in his life

as far as i know, he just stumbled unto professional wrestling, not exactly the same thing

by vhw_ on May 26, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I figured he was a stretch

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by U3O8man on May 26, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right...

…’cause no other althete has ever adapted, worked hard & become a cross-sport success.

by Velosi on May 26, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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