Dana White: Money started messing with Lyoto Machida's head
by Jesse Holland on Apr 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
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Lyoto Machida knows a thing or two about labels.
Fickle fight fans first called him "boring" and then "elusive" before graduating to "invincible." Then he became "exposed" and now he's a "head case."
Whatever happened to "The Dragon?"
It seemed like a fitting nickname, as the Karate master at one time was all the rage, blowing through 16 consecutive opponents. The list of victims was as impressive as it was long. Names like B.J. Penn, Rich Franklin, Thiago Silva, Tito Ortiz and Rashad Evans.
And don't forget Benjamin, the one name that UFC President Dana White (via MMA Live) believes started the Brazilian's downfall:
"This is what I think happened; A guy goes through his entire career, he's got this incredible elusive style, nobody can figure him out, he's explosive, got knockout power, but then once you start making a lot of money, it starts messing with your head and you start doing things differently. I think if Machida comes out like the old Machida, I think he can beat anybody in the world."
Machida was at the top of his game in the early months of 2009, winning "Knockout of the Night" in dominant victories over the previously mentioned Silva and Evans, the latter of which earned him the light heavyweight title.
Color commentator Joe Rogan was quick to rush in "The Machida Era," believing just as strongly as everyone else there wasn't anyone that could figure out the puzzling game the Brazilian brought to the Octagon.
Enter the "Shogun."
Two consecutive match-ups against Mauricio Rua and all the weaknesses in Machida's game were made glaringly evident. As the saying goes -- if you haven't lost in mixed martial arts -- you just haven't fought the right opponent yet.
Rua was the man to finally take the Black House product out, mopping the floor with him at UFC 113. Months later, albeit in less convincing fashion, Quinton Jackson added another loss to Machida's record, taking a split decision in Auburn Hills, Michigan.
When it rains, it pours.
After reaching the top of the 205-pound mountain, and looking every bit the world-beater he once was, the former champion may be on the verge of losing his job.
That is, of course, if he loses his next bout, a light heavyweight match-up against the one and only Randy Couture.
The two former division champions will square off at UFC 129: "St. Pierre vs. Shields" this Saturday night (April 30) from the Rogers Centre in Toronto, Canada. Whatever the outcome, "The Natural" is leaving the Octagon for good.
And if Couture wins, Machida may have no choice but to join him.
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no need for machida to retire even with another loss
either way, he’s gonna knock the ever living fuck out of old man couture so he shouldn’t be worried going into the fight
Agreed...
The guy has nothing but a bright future ahead of him. He learned a couple lessons in his last two fights. One, don’t try and brawl when it’s not your style, stick to being elusive and counter attacks. Two, don’t wait till the 3rd round to go for the kill, he beat Rampage up but got screwed when it went to the judges because he was too gun shy. These two lessons should have taught him to find a happy medium and he should go out and perform the way we all know he can.
He didn’t brawl in the Rua fight or Page fight, he just got beat. Stop looking for excuses karate boy and quit your karate class.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Good one buddy...
Finally you have something clever to say to me, pretty funny actually. But, he DID in fact try and brawl with Rua… but i know you can’t get his brazilian dick out of your mouth long enough to see anything else. And you are right, he DIDN’T brawl with Page, i never said he did moron. He actually was too cautious, if you could read, you would have seen that was the 2nd lesson he learned. Keep it comin though…
I dont think he tried to brawl with Rua at all. I think what happened is he started way too fast and came forward a little too quickly which is very unlike Machida. And it costed him.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much the what i'm getting at actually...
i guess it’s all relative. The guy never goes forward like that, so for him that’s a brawl. For Diego that wouldn’t be a brawl, but for Machida, i believe that’s as close to a brawl as he would get
I agree ANS
I wouldn’t call what he did brawling but it was for damn sure not his style and he was coming forward to much trying to prove a dick measuring point and tried to go out there and finish Rua right away.
Shogun Rua, still only 1 quality win in the UFC and I don't want to hear any garbage excuses about his knee. That is all.
by Edgecrusher71 on Apr 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He lost the way GSP did
Took one behind the ear and he never saw it coming.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
‘Everyone machida brawled bro trust me, i know karate bro’
STFU with that BS kid, he got smashed up. Simple as that kid, he tried leaping in against Rua, as he always does, and got knocked the F out by the better striker. Stop looking for excuses and just accept Machida got beat by the better striker/s
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
WRONG
Nobody is making excuses, just calling it how i see it. Maybe if you didn’t have such gay feelings for Shogun you would understand what i was actually trying to get at. It’s no secret that Machida got KTFO in the 2nd fight, but he DID win the 1st fight, contrary to popular belief. And he actually was winning the 2nd fight until he got clipped. Keep it up though, you’re on a roll.
Rua won all 6 rounds, move alond KARATE BOY LOL.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Jesus Roberto
Not everything is a conspiracy. Yes, shit is questionable sometimes, and yes shit is rigged sometimes, but you speak as though anytime there is a questionable decision, it must have been rigged. Tin foil, you have enough of it my friend.
hahah, funny, but
that was an awful decision…maybe not a conspiracy, but poor judging for sure
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
go fuck yourself judomania
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
Just another example of a badly flawed judging system
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Challenge accepted: scarnon will be 2-2 once Machida retires Captain Paycheque
no, but the judges said he did
machida actually only won 1 round in that fight
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
Agreed
I only gave Machida the third round and I was cheering him on and expected him to smash Shogun. Shogun’s kicks in the early rounds wore him down and his mobility and speed were gone in the latter rounds. Rogan’s biased commentary aside it was clear on the night who the better man was and the rematch proved who the better fighter is beyond a shadow of a doubt. If Machida and Shogun win their next fights decisively then I’m all for a rubber match but Shogun deserves to be the favourite this time.
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Challenge accepted: scarnon will be 2-2 once Machida retires Captain Paycheque
contrary to popular belief? did you see the fight.
He was bleeding on the inside, broken ribs, swollen and busted up in the face. Shogun landed powerstrike after powerstrike after powerstrike and Machida did nothing i don’t know what ppl think they’re seeing.
I am who i is.
Leave it Rob, you won’t get anything out of these Karate kids. Just looking for excuses, they don’t want to admit their fighter got beat up. It’s not meant to happen, they’re still dreaming of the Machida Era.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Yes, i actually have it on DVR and have watched it several times
The problem most people have is they listen to what Rogan was saying and not watching the exchanges closely. Machida was very effective in his counter strikes, landed several power shots and actually had Shogun hurt a couple times and was close to a TKO. I realize many people don’t see it that way, but i think if you turn the volume off, and watch closely, you’ll see a few things you didn’t see before. Yes Machida was busted up, he caught a good beating that night, but so did Shogun, don’t let blood change your opinion, cuts happen, doesn’t mean he lost though.
You are very right about not listening to Rogan
He is the most biased one in the stadium every time. He pisses me off all the time
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
No problem man
We arent the only ones that see it that way. I like Rogan too, but he sways peoples minds with his antics lol. There is no question about that
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a good point
but in questionable decisions, alot of people rewatch without sound, as i did…i cant see any way shogun didnt win that fight, without any commentary to sway me
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
I agree, Rogan is super biased
And I along with 4/5 friends who I watched the fight with scored it for Machida.
Very close.. I could have seen it go either way but I did call it for The Dragon
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, very well could have gone the other way
Never know what the judges are going to see. But in this one, they all seemed to agree, it wasn’t like it was a split decision either.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Fightmetric is a good tool, but we've seen that it does not always coincide with the 10 point scoring system
Based on judging, I and others gave Machida rds 1-3, and Shogun 4 and 5.
Yep... FightMetric is nice
But it is not accurate at all. If you took 15 punches in the first round and threw 0… then in the second round you threw 1 and knocked the dude out, then you still took way more punches but still won
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The fight was way too close to say it for for sure one way or another
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats what I say as well
The second one was not tho haha
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too judo! Actually for months. That next Sunday was seriously one of te saddest days of my life. I actually wrote my one and only fanpost about it.
By the way thanks for always stickig up for our boy Machida.
The pain that you carry is the love that you never showed
Very close
Almost too close, but Machida won IMO…. By a slim slim margin, but enough to keep the belt at the end of the day.
Who cares?
It went to a 6 round and was decided.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
That is actually a very true statement
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It took Frankie 10
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nope, just 5
you know as well as i do frankie broke him in that first fight…bj looked like a shell of himself in the rematch, he didnt come to fight that night
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
You’re right I guess, and it was Machida face that got smashed in at the end of the day.
Rua proved he is the better fight, that’s a fact.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Shogun proved to be the better fighter in terms of adjusting
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He proved to be the better fighter, enough of the BS.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Hey, what did Bones do to him?
Ah yes, it’s on your pic. So if Lyoto smashes Bones, then he’s better than Shogun right?
Or is it just that anything can happen in a fight where highly skilled fighters do battle?
He proved that he’s in the wrong weight class. Jones is much bigger.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Right............
So someone beats a fighter you hate (Machida)= they are a better fighter.
Your fighter gets smashed by someone else= excuse time.
Danago-logic for the win.
Machida and Rua are similar size. Jones is much bigger.
Are you stupid kid?
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Actually hes not bigger
They fight in the same weight class… that means they are pretty much the same size. Nice try tho
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
The point here is:
you’re a pathetic troll who craps on other fighters yet when your guy loses makes stupid excuses.
At least guys like SHF who are true fans take the loss like men and also respect fighters like Machida.
You’re just a pathetic monkey farmer
Fact is Machida is on a 2 fight losing streak so just STFU LOL
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
2 fight losing streak LOL
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Hey, tell me more obvious facts.
So if Shogun loses his next fight, he sucks right?
Shogun has 5 losses to Machida’s 2. I guess by your logic Machida trumps Shogun.
LOL, 2 fight losing streak.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Trippy!
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't need to explain myself kid. Look what happens when Machida fights an elite striker.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
So are you saying that Randy is an elite striker and Machida will lose again?
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy isn’t an elite striker.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
whats SHF?
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ah ok, thanks
I just didn’t recognize the shorthand notation
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No MMA Math doesnt work.
Proof.
Chael>Nate>Maia>Sonnen
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
NO, He proved he could beat him one out of two times
The score is even, 1-1. I believe a tie breaker would settle this.
No need when the second fight is so definitive.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean it would be the same result everytime so they shouldnt fight again?
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah gotcha
My bad for not knowing that already
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
Yeah he got KO’d in the 2nd fight, but i believe with a smarter gameplan he would win the 3rd matchup. Page got his ass handed to him by Wand twice back in Pride, but Page got revenge in their 3rd fight and put him to sleep.
When Wand was passed it. Go tell your mom to slap you in the face, it’ll do you some good kid.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
The Wand that dominated Pride wasn't the same Wand that came into the UFC
His timing, speed and chin aren’t what they once were. Rampage at the time that they fought had improved (pity that he picked up bad habits and stopped training like a top level pro fighter) while Wand had regressed at that point. I’m a huge Wand fan but he’s not been the same fighter since the Cro Cop and Hendo KOs and there’s a reason why he was the last man Chuck beat.
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I see your point
I don’t fully disagree with everything you said. I think the Wand in Pride is waaaay better then the Wand we have seen in the UFC, but neither is Page, and it would be hard to argue that. Both have declined around the same time, so to me its a moot point.
Its hypothetical. The first 5 rounds was so close it needed a second fight. That second fight was ended with a clear cut winner.
It was like Matt Hughes before the BJ Penn fight. Its the rubber match … if he wins I feel like I have lost all three. If I win I feel like I did.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
close to a TKo? you have got to be shitting me!
in what round was that, cause his punches and “counter strikes” came when he was moving backwards with little commitment and no power. the cool thing was he got countered by Shogun kicking the living shit out of him in 5 rounds out of 5, just sit down and look at how hard those kicks are.
the only thing that became a popular belief was that Machida’s style was the shit and effectively working. kinda like Couture’s wall n stall which is him literally doing nothing but holding.
I am who i is.
Dana flip flops more than a lumberjack making pancakes.
He is not a factor in this discussion, nor most MMA discussions to be honest. But to say that Shogun kicked the crap out of Machida and pretending like Machida didn’t touch him is ridiculous. It was a brilliant and extremely close fight.
Kudos to both men for the show they put on.
yup, but there a couple basic things you need to learn.
shogun came forward and generated more power. Machida stepped backwards =less power, had unclean hits and got countered clean with hard kicks. who wins that exchange? Rua. If they’d been in K1 or wherever else the fight would’ve had proper judging. That is what i say, there is no right or wrong i guess but to sit down and watch how many more times he hit Lyoto clean.
I am who i is.
wait, wait, wait
K-1 has better judging?
Maybe a more clearly defined set of judging criteria, but there are plenty of questionable decisions in K-1.
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K-1 has really bad judging
The fighters are even vocal about it.
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen improvements.
you are correct of course Murphy. They do have a more fair way for the fighters to decide the fight and they realize that you need to use 10-10 rounds and other specific things. One thing about Lyoto that wouldn’t have went home in a ring like that is his style of backing up all the time, you need to hit clean if you’re gonna roll like that i haven’t seen him do that much lately except for his one big shot on Rampage and the follow up.
I am who i is.
I do like the open scoring method
I think it would be interesting to see the UFC adopt if for an event or two to see how it goes.
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I am so fortunate to have someone such as you explain this to me.
Is there somewhere I can send a cheque to? I mean without your knowledge of the ages, I might go through life believing something that isn’t true.
Wait, wait, reality just kicked in again. Yup, so Machida actually counter-strikes, and landed strikes to Shogun several times that had him backing up. I guess that Shogun must be weak if he can’t handle “less power” striking.
all you people saying rogan influenced it are idiots
i was at the fight as well as about 15,000 others. everyone there there thought shogun won and we weren’t listening to any commentary obviously. everyone was booing when they announced machida the winner.
exactly.
he got beat by Rua in every round they fought. He got busted up, hurt and came in and lost the rematch. He tried to take the fight to the ground but Shogun got up, came forward tagged him with punches in the rematch and already knew way before that Machida was gonna go for his patented left hand so he went over the top.
there’s no such thing as a plan around someone who is more skillful and can block and defend your attack. the problem seems to be that fans bought into the crap that Machida was such a great striker.
I am who i is.
ive solved it Roberto is Danago!
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"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
nope sorry.
I don’t hang around commenting on rigged results and watch this shit anymore.
I am who i is.
Rigged results?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, happens everywhere.
I just saw a dude get voted out of a reality show run by the biggest tv network. they do it on poker sites, buy refs, it’s in their best interest that certain ppl win.
I am who i is.
so with that said, i can't believe the ppl that actually truly belive in everything they see still today.
I am who i is.
i can’t believe the ppl that actually truly belive in everything they see still today.
This is the most generalized, ridiculous statement I think I have ever seen you post. Who are these people who “believe everything they see still today”? Have you met someone who never questions anything? They just nod along with everything? How could you possibly come up with such a freakishly restarted statement?
you don't need to take it over the top. chill out for a sec.
I can’t believe “the people” meaning those who do believe in what they see and read in media, cause they exist you know.
especially in stuff that is supposed to have a subjective scoring/voting/ruling.
I am who i is.
Actually
I agree with his premise. I have seen too many “smoothed” earnings reports and debunked government statistics to believe anything I read to take it at face value any longer. Example:
Ben Bernanke on Quantiative Easing I: We are “printing” money to ease the liquidity crisis.
Ben Bernanke on Quantitative Easing II: I wouldn’t call what we are doing “printing” money.
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You have to take everything with a grain of salt, but I think it is ludicrous to think that most people believe everything they see and read. Just seems like a really silly statement with no kind of context.
Rob never quntified the amount when referring to people...
read it again, but assume someone else wrote it.
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Rigged results in life vs rigged results in MMA promotions. That is what I was asking Roberto about.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
and he jumped to a reality TV example
So, it was all over the board. Ulf, you came in saying, you don’t believe everything you see or read. Would anyone on here answer that question with a “yes”?
Rob said:
i can’t believe the ppl that actually truly belive in everything they see still today.
That is not a crazy statement or conspiracy theory. It is smart.
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don’t hang around commenting on rigged results and watch this shit anymore.
This is what I was talking about
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, awesome comment.
can someone prove me wrong, no. is it tiresome to follow all the controversies, yes.
when the producer is deciding the course of a reality-show real time event or anything like that it’s always up for debate. And since the world and the major sport clubs, organizations turns into companies its going to be more about the money, one fighter can do nothing against the production if they wanna set up something or someone.
I am who i is.
you can decide the winner if you are the owner of the competition.
writing here is a waste of time and fans that complain can do nothing. That’s why the salaries and being open about the scoring would be nice.
I am who i is.
I was talking about your implication the sport is rigged. The results of fights.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, the window is open for the results to be rigged.
there’s the choice of who you want to be the champ and the one getting a lot of face time in front of the cameras. If you’re a company with no system, you decide whatever you want.
I am who i is.
How do you pick the champ?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
when you decide the ppl u want to have fighting for the belt.
it’s not like every fighter has to go through the same process to qualify for a title fight. Jon Jones became a title holder because of the business decision to grant him a title shot. Its not like he had a tough fight against Shogun. Thankfully he deserved it after winning so many fights in a row.
I am who i is.
There were enough questions about Pride to make it more than rumor
It happens, ANS. You cannot deny that.
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I totally agree! But not in this day and age I think it doesnt happen on the sports biggest stages
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
not the biggest stages, probably not
I say probably because there is a hug conflict of interest with the Fertita’s and thei casinos.
Never say never when Billionaires have an easy way to make money.
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In smaller shows its not rigged in the sense of throwing matches but if you arent in the good graces of the promoter best believe you will be..
A. put on the shelf for a long time only to face a tough opponent
B. have your opponents changed rapidly and the rumor is the guys known for a while
C. pulled from cards and forced to extend camp
Any way to give you a disadvantage
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The Fed is doing very well in their mission to devalue the dollar, err….artificially prop up the stock market, err….‘help the economy’.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
by Diceman on Apr 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you literally commented on rigged results further up this thread
you actually used the word “rigged” verbatim
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
i do believe he tried to make a statement in the second fight
it costed him greatly (though i was very happy rua won it). Then in the rampage fight he was so focused on not persuing the exchanges that he only got started in the third.
I think he has learned from his mistakes and hopefully he’ll make a living hell for couture this saturday night, can’t wait for the rise of the dragon
he did nothing resembling brawling with rua
theres a difference between fighting aggressively and brawling…i can see why youd say that, because machida being an elusive counter puncher all of a sudden coming forward is odd…but he lost because of either poor gameplanning, or he ignored the gameplan
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
is a bit strong Dana blaming money imo
U can blame money when it comes to AA,getting designer jewellery,suits and going ridiculously expensive restaraunts for breakfast! Lyoto just had an X on his back and was too aggressive against Shogun and not aggressive enough against Page.Hes still at the top of the pile imo and is the toughest fight for Bones at LHW.Dana should just stfu now and then lol
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
I think he meants money that he was getting for KO’ing people. He let it get to his head that if he was aggressive he gets paid more. Instead of sticking to his roots. Not about material things.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
my bad ans,yeah that explains things
he got a lot more fans on side when he kayoed shad and silva aswell so there was maybe a lot of pressure in that sense aswell
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
When you dont knock people out and make 45K and then you start KO’ing people and get 150K….
Who wouldnt want to keep doing it?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
for real.it just comes with greater risk.
if it aint broke dont fix it.He knocked shad and silva out by being his old self thats the thing.
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Agreed
I actually feel bad for Randy. I think he will be retiring especially after Machida finally makes him look like a 48 yr old. I think Madhida wins violently. Who would of ever thought someone would say Madhida winning and violence in sama senence a couple years ago?…before the “Machida era”
STFU Dana White and I know you read my comments. It was Rua who messed Karate boys head up with his fists.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
That’s why he emailed me the other day kid? Sit down, I’ve have several fighter email me.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Keep dreamin...
You and your little fantasy land you’ve created for yourself is amusing. Maybe spend a little less time pretending to be someone you aren’t
That’s why I’ve been offered free tickets to a few events kid? You think fighters don’t check on here every now and again?
They do, and when they do they read my comments. Then they email and that’s how it is, sit down.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
You jealous that I have fighters emailing me?
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Yeah i'm jelous alright...
Man, i just wish i could be a groupie like Danago… I mean, life would be so great if i could just get a fighter to email me. That sure would be neato!!!
Thought so
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
I can give you a few e-mails if you want.
they will reply. It is not that hard, but some feel the need to “brag” about how cool it is.
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They are just people bro..
Like you and me. I’m just giving him a hard time. I know it’s not too hard, and i think it’s pretty cool that they do respond. But you are ight, it’s nothing to brag about. At the end of the day, you are emailing another dude.
No, I’ve had some top fighters email me.
I don’t mean I go after them.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
no he doesnt
youre responding to the wrong lie…no one emails him
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
And what happened to Rua the last fight?
Wait let’s check your sig. Ah yes, he got smashed. Was I happy he got smashed? No. Even though I’m not a Shogun fan. Did Rua lose to a better striker? No, IMO. Same thing goes for Lyoto.
I would have difficulty saying whose striking is better between Shogun/Machida. Their styles are different, which is why, IMO, if they fought 10 times, there would be 10 different results. Stop hating on someone because you hate karate.
We’re not talking about Rua’s last fight here, we’re talking about Machida and that fact that he’s lost his last 2.
No it’s because of the money, it’s because he got beat fair and square by another striker. Not a wrestler like Jones, strikers.
Machida went toe to toe with Page and Rua and got beat, no excuses.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
it doesn't hate karate
it just hates common sense, it also likes to piss people off so you should try to make sense of its ideas.
and yes until it’s cleared if it’s a man or a woman, danago stays an it
It puts the lotion in the basket...
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It puts the lotion in the basket...
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It puts the lotion in the basket...
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PUT THE FUCKING LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!
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you bastard!
i laughed really hard and nearly everyone in the office took notice!
Hey, does it put the lotion in the basket? Lol.
What’s good Ulf? I didn’t know if we were still homies after my arguments against aging in MMA.
That was a sequence form Silence of the Lambs...
why would we not be good, brother? It is the internets. I only want to strangle danago and David W-S. ;)
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Lol. Cool, I'm glad then.
Read further down, I think I cracked the code to Danago’s thought process.
Yes, I've made it on your hit list
Cyber high five Dan.
Undefeated in pic/sig bets in 2011
Challenge accepted: scarnon will be 2-2 once Machida retires Captain Paycheque
Is there something else not being said here or is Dana just fight hyping?
I don’t think it’s the money that got to Machida. It is the fact that when you’re the UFC LHW champ you’re on a big enough stage/spotlight fighters will eventually figure out how to beat the elusiveness. Shogun figured out how to beat the elusive nature of Machida by the quick swam of punches then connected.
Maybe there is more to this that isn’t public knowledge. I don’t know, but seems like Dana is either letting his business interfere with his fight thinking or this is just to hype the fight with Randy.
Irony is the clash of opposites. It is the juxtaposition of what is expected against what happens; what you know and what you think you know. And... Most people don't get it.
At what point
in the linked video sourcing these comments are they actually said because I’ve just watched MMA Live and I think I’d remember Dana saying that in his interview. Nothing like that was during the whole show
by Michael Cunningham on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Volume
Why has the volume of the tele got to do with how the fight went. The judges dont hear the commentary so they cant swing with the way Rogans going. Shogun in my opinion won both the Machida fights, I had a bet with my friend on the first fight and I said Machida would win. I then told him to keep his money because in my eyes Shogun won a unanimous decision. He did not win every round though.
I was reading your post in my "normal voice" in my head until I got to "tele"
Then shit got crazy, lol
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by ViolentMike on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
riiiiight
Like money hasn’t gone to dana’s head…he has turned into a friggin ego maniac who can’t stop running his mouth
"eat shit." billions of flies cant be wrong
by salamagogo on Apr 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Machida fans.
Before Rua and Page, how many world class strikers had he fought?
None, Rampage and Rua don’t mess around, the stuff that works on Tito and Bonnar won’t work on top class fighters. I wasn’t surprised at all when he got beat, you shouldn’t. Don’t go looking for excuses, realize that he came up against top class striker and got beat.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Before Rua and Page, how many world class strikers had he fought?
None, Rampage and Rua don’t mess around, the stuff that works on Tito and Bonnar won’t work on top class fighters. I wasn’t surprised at all when he got beat, you shouldn’t. Don’t go looking for excuses, realize that he came up against top class striker and got beat.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
I shouldn't even justify your trolling with a response.
Is MMA just striking? No. Is it just wrestling? Bjj? Boxing? No.
To say someone has not faced elite strikers in the UFC is ridiculous. You have to be at least good at everything to even make it to the UFC. So stop trying to undermine the accomplishments of a fighter just because you don’t like them.
Lyoto is a top class fighter, striking included.
Learn your ish son/daughter
Is Shields an Elite striker? You’re dumb kid.
He’s a good fighter, but had he fought WORLD class fighter before Rua and Page? No, Bonnar isn’t world class.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Wow, now Shields is part of the convo.
You really are hurting.
So, here’s the deal once and for all. Machida is the former champ of the toughest most competitive weight class. He is a great fighter, and nothing you say or do wil change that.
Have a nice life, and remember: monkies like bananas.
But remember, Bonnar isn’t an elite striker.
Remember what happened when he faced an elite striker.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Yep.. he went the distance with him
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Apr 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Has nothing to do with this discussion. Just just got told son
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
You’re the one who’s bringing another fight into this LOL.
Here, this is what we were talking about kid.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Hmmm, no, actually what we were discussing is the ability of 2 fighters.
You, as the classless buffon you are, are crapping on Machida for losing to Shogun.
Yet, you refuse to discuss Bones dismantling of Shogun.
So in essence, you are committing hypocrasy, and are unable to admit when you are wrong.
Do tell me how many elite striker he had faced before Rua?
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Shogun and Page are definitely the best strikers he faced...
I’m not arguing that. When you are Champ or near the top of the division, you tend to fight the best in the world, it’s just reality. Let me ask this though, how many people consider Rich Franklin in his prime an elite striker?
Good striker, but not elite. Anderson proved that, very good though.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Fair enough
He did TKO Rich Franklin in the 2nd round when he was undefeated at 14-0 and in his prime back in Japan. Nobody really talks about that fight, but it happened.
You'd be surprised how many people don't rate Rich's striking
In the build-up to the Vitor fight there were a lot of fans and pundits whining about the lack of quality strikers on Andy’s resume so I guess Rich doesn’t count. Agreed that he is very good though and whilst I personally think that he was at his best when he made the cut to 185 in the UFC (205 has always been too big for him) he was a very credible win for Machida, especially because of the way Lyoto beat him.
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At the time he only had around 10 fights, so I wouldn’t consider him elite at that point.
Rua and Page have fought the best and have 50+ fights between them
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
With only 2 fights in the UFC. He wasn’t fighting the best.
While this was happening Pride was going on and Rua was matched with Nog, elite striker.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Elite BJJ yes, Elite Striker no.
I would put him in the same category as Rich as far as striking goes. Very good, but not elite.
Nog is an elite striker. He was back then too.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing
South American Games
Gold Buenos Aires 2006 Super Heavyweight
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Bronze Rio de Janeiro 2007 Super Heavyweight
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Very familiar with his accomplishments
Still wouldn’t put him in the elite category personally. I think he’s very good, but not elite.
Nog really is an elite striker.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
that’s why I didn’t buy the whole Machida is the best striker. Fact is he never faced an elite striker up until Rua and Page, and look what happened.
I’m not talking Thiago Silva. Rua and Page have been around the block, been fighting the best for years.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Nog really is an elite striker.
HAHAHAH…
Nog is not, and never was an elite striker.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We're splitting hairs here...
He’s very good IMO, but he has been getting outstruck by wrestlers, who don’t have near the boxing background he has.
Wrestlers yes, that’s a different story. Get into a kickboxing fight with Nog and you’ll have your hands full. That’s exactly what Machida would do.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
He was getting out struck by Jason “The Hitman” Brilz.
This isn’t kickboxing first of all, and secondly he would get embarrassed if he faught in K1.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 29, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How does that make sense?
He is getting outstruck by dude who aren’t strikers…. that should tell you something. Brillz freaking whooped his ass, and got robbed by the judges. That guy isn’t an elite sriker, and is a decent wrestler, but put it on Nog. No reason that should ever happen. Bader and Davis (both wrestlers) both have a long way to go in their striking too but yet they beat him to punch almost every time!
This is where Nog was most of the fight...
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Elite Striking...
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Apr 29, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right
That fight is rarely ever talked about though. People either don’t know they fought, or forget Machida dominated him at a point in his career where he was running through everybody.
haha, get em eduardo!
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
What a statement by Dana; Machida is the same...
the difference is he lost two fights; this happens with whom enters the cage.
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by Eduardo Cruz on Apr 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i can get on board with that in some cases
this one in particular…but some fighters do change after a loss, case and point GSP
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
I actually agree with Dana on this one. Just my opinion
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Apr 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yoshizo, machida’s dad talked about changing machida’s style, you could tell in the rampage fight the different footwork or stance or whatever had machida uncomfortable, once he got back to how he’d fought before, he took the fight to rampage and looked far more fluid.
i like the yoshizo mastermind of the karate family style cliche….but fighting at that level in front of millions, and suddenly fighting a different way sounds incredibly difficult.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Apr 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
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